NationStates Jolt Archive

This is just what I've been looking for. Many thanks.

Logic is a tool of the weak.

These remind me of the propaganda methods I learned in school just today.

Great site! That might come in useful.

I like it. Sometimes I know its a falacy but I can't remember why in words.

Why should we let facts and logic ruin a good argument? :)

:eek: this is where all questions find an answer! oooh! neat...

Logic is a tool of the weak.

I find that statement highly illogical.

The purpose in my linking to the site (and many thanks to my colleagues here on NS for providing additional links to other sites!) was to allow those interested to improve their skills at arguing and supporting an argument rather than resorting to the all-too-familiar "I'm right and you're wrong, and nothing you say will change that because I'm right!" ;)

"It's nice that you think that but you're obviously wrong."

"It's nice that you think that but you're obviously wrong."
says who ?? I say you're wrong. :p

The purpose in my linking to the site (and many thanks to my colleagues here on NS for providing additional links to other sites!) was to allow those interested to improve their skills at arguing and supporting an argument rather than resorting to the all-too-familiar "I'm right and you're wrong, and nothing you say will change that because I'm right!"


you got few bites here no need to fish anymore ;)

Theres a lot to learn on that page you've linked. Its really interesting, thanks Katganistan. I must admit I've been known to use the "I'm right and you're wrong, and nothing you say will change that because I'm right!" approach.

this whole forum thing is a debate.

Schopenhauer has a great essay called "The Art of Controversy." The basic premise is that logic's fine if you want to know the truth, but you're not going to win any debates with it.

I find that statement highly illogical.

..., Doctor.

Logic is a tool of the weak.

Weakness is the tool of logic.

OMG NOES!!

Circular logic!

*collapses on self*

Stephen's Guide to Logical Fallacies:
http://datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm
Nice link. I've got a few like it. Unfortunatley, this one you gave doesn't give the latin names to the fallacies, and I think it's really cool to be able to give the latin names when calling a fallacy. Ad hoc, post hoc ergo prompter hoc, et tu quoque, etc. :cool:

Sadly, debating has almost become a waste of time.
No one is going to change their view if they are arguing that its correct.
Thanks to the media, two generations have grown up with their heads full of propaganda from all sides,thus skewing their true beliefs.

that would be a complete failure of education then

in the formative years it is important for people to accept things or they will never learn

in the summative years it is important for people to be able to think critically.

Sorry to butt in on this chat,But what if peoples views could be changed?...I mean its happened many times in the past...So debating is very useful

Debate is rarely for the purpose of swaying the other party. The purpose is to sway the undecided audience.

The purpose of debating without an audience is give each bag of wind a chance to yammer on for hours to feel better about themselves. :D

But seriously, in debate club the judges job was not to decide which side's point of view they agree with, but who utilized the best and most complete logical argument to prove their point of view. If only all audiences were as impartial and objective when listening to a debate.