NationStates Jolt Archive

Well I for one am fed up of labours waste. Not only are we wasting money but the goverments chancellor (gordon Brown) cant work the econemy Why do the ITEM Club and the IFS say he has a black hole in his finances of £10 billion?" Why do the CBI, the OECD,, the BCC, and the CEBR all say that, on his spending plans, he will have to raise taxes? Why do 20 of the 21 economists on the Treasury's own panel say the same thing? Doesn't he feel a little isolated?and yet he hold onto the idea that his 66 tax rises are good for the people? There are more civil servants than their are soldiers. Theres a housing crisis. And Billions of our cash has went into the conflict in Iraq which however i still would like to say was the right thing to do. Even if it is right for the reason of getting rid of hussein rather than thoose invisible weapons.
The British people however will sadly vote this goverment in again, Its 166 majority cannot be beaten at one election. Maybe lowered to 100 if lucky. But quite simply the people done know the crisis that awaits us. Labours total burrowing of £350 Bn since 1993 is OUTRAGEOUS! Though i must say apart from money the British people remain happy!

Well I for one am fed up of labours waste. Not only are we wasting money but the goverments chancellor (gordon Brown) cant work the econemy Why do the ITEM Club and the IFS say he has a black hole in his finances of £10 billion?" Why do the CBI, the OECD,, the BCC, and the CEBR all say that, on his spending plans, he will have to raise taxes? Why do 20 of the 21 economists on the Treasury's own panel say the same thing? Doesn't he feel a little isolated?and yet he hold onto the idea that his 66 tax rises are good for the people? There are more civil servants than their are soldiers. Theres a housing crisis. And Billions of our cash has went into the conflict in Iraq which however i still would like to say was the right thing to do. Even if it is right for the reason of getting rid of hussein rather than thoose invisible weapons.
The British people however will sadly vote this goverment in again, Its 166 majority cannot be beaten at one election. Maybe lowered to 100 if lucky. But quite simply the people done know the crisis that awaits us. Labours total burrowing of £350 Bn since 1993 is OUTRAGEOUS! Though i must say apart from money the British people remain happy!
Do you know anything about the British Government and history, or are you just making it up on the spur of the moment?
£350 Bn since 1993, thats pretty impressive considering there wasn't even a Labour Govt until 1997, so well done Brown, how'd you do that?
Please show me where it was stated that taxes wouldn't be raised? As far as I remember there was to be a spending review, and nothing has been discounted.
So, who would you rather have in power? The Conservatives who are going to lower taxes yet increase spending perhaps? How do they intend to pay for that?
What are they wasting money on? The war in Iraq? Perhaps. But what of the increase in spending in education, the health service, the police force, transport infrastructure? Do these count for nothing?
The British people are happy because the Country as a whole is better off than it has been in the last 20 years, its a shame you haven't noticed.

New Labour

Higher taxes! More public spending! Hurray!

I'd rather the Liberals were in power, Blair's too much pro-capitalist pro-republican for my liking. But at least it isn't the tories :)

Higher taxes! More public spending! Hurray!

I'd rather the Liberals were in power, Blair's too much pro-capitalist pro-republican for my liking. But at least it isn't the tories :)

The Liberal Party technically ceased to exist in 1988... that "new" group calling themselves hasn't even a seat in Commons!

There are more civil servants than their are soldiers.

Explain to me why this is a bad thing, would you?

OK a question I really want answered, what is it you dislike about the conservatives?

Also, What is this love affair with Labour? they are without question a party out for thier pals and more concered with how things appear than getting them fixed.

Is it all the media's fault? are they really controling how the parties are seen?

The Liberal Party technically ceased to exist in 1988... that "new" group calling themselves hasn't even a seat in Commons!

I know, its' a pity. I think one reason for that is Labour scare-mongering that 'the tories will get back into power' or (far worse) the BNP. Therefore, left wingers who aren't too happy with Labour are still voting for them to keep out extremist right wingers. I may still vote Labour at the next election for precisely that reason - too many bigots in my area make me uneasy.
However, from my understanding of Liberal policy (and politics isnt my 'strongest' area) they seem to be the 'major' party closest to sharing my views so i'd rather see them in power.

The Liberal Party technically ceased to exist in 1988... that "new" group calling themselves hasn't even a seat in Commons!

They probably meant Liberal Democrats

I know, its' a pity. I think one reason for that is Labour scare-mongering that 'the tories will get back into power' or (far worse) the BNP. Therefore, left wingers who aren't too happy with Labour are still voting for them to keep out extremist right wingers. I may still vote Labour at the next election for precisely that reason - too many bigots in my area make me uneasy.
However, from my understanding of Liberal policy (and politics isnt my 'strongest' area) they seem to be the 'major' party closest to sharing my views so i'd rather see them in power.

Vote for who you want, not for who you think will win. this will just ensure that you get someone you don't want.

Anyway, you know the BNP will never get enough power to do anything.

OK a question I really want answered, what is it you dislike about the conservatives?

Also, What is this love affair with Labour? they are without question a party out for thier pals and more concered with how things appear than getting them fixed.

Is it all the media's fault? are they really controling how the parties are seen?

It's an ideology thing. Labour are classically left wing (New labour less so) whereas the tories are classically right wing (and seem to be getting more right as things go on).
A vote for Labour at the moment is, unfortunately, a vote for a left-wing ideology perverted by a money-driven government. However, it's still better (well, more socially acceptable - i'm not talking about the philosophical moral implication) than voting for the openly perverted money-centric ideals of the tories.

I know, its' a pity. I think one reason for that is Labour scare-mongering that 'the tories will get back into power' or (far worse) the BNP. Therefore, left wingers who aren't too happy with Labour are still voting for them to keep out extremist right wingers. I may still vote Labour at the next election for precisely that reason - too many bigots in my area make me uneasy.
However, from my understanding of Liberal policy (and politics isnt my 'strongest' area) they seem to be the 'major' party closest to sharing my views so i'd rather see them in power.

That makes sense.

BTW, thanks. Your post is a perfect defense of the (habitual) American two party system.

Vote for who you want, not for who you think will win. this will just ensure that you get someone you don't want.

Anyway, you know the BNP will never get enough power to do anything.

Good advise and i probably do so in the end. But i'd rather be sure the lesser of two evils remained in power than vote for a hopeless cause. I'll see how things stand when they call the election.
And don't underestimate the BNP, especially in Yorkshire/Lancashire/The Midlands. They're the fastest growing political party in England i believe, and they'll continue to gain members as the tories lose them. I don't think it's necessarily a whole-hearted national feeling, more a reflex action of the people to 'the Immigration Problem' (not sure how much of a problem there is, how much is bad government and media exaggeration)

That makes sense.

BTW, thanks. Your post is a perfect defense of the (habitual) American two party system.

I think the situation in England is more a result of the confused evolution of the system rather than specifically a comment on the meta-political ideals of democracy, but then again ideals are useless if they can't be practically implemented...

You're right, there is a strong tilt towards the two party American system in what i wrote. I'll leave the rest of my mumblings on the matter to the other thread, if i ever get round to it.

The BNP wont get anywhere. I doubt they'll ever get a seat in the Commons while im alive. Ill eat my hat if they do, and ill record it and post it on the internet. The members tories lose will probably go to UKIP. Similary, I think the members Labour loses, most, go to the Lib Dems.

Oh, the immigration thing.
Live near me, go on I'd like to hear English spoken in my area.
(before anyone thinks it, I am not racist or in a bad area, for London)

This will sound really bad but when local parents ban thier kids from going to the station or shops alone, because they are frightened of all the immigrants that hang around, something does need to be done. We (the locals) were never consulted before receiving one of the largest percentage of immigrants.
The Tory's suggestion of points system, such as the US or Austraila makes sense, even if the quota is daft.

Oh, the immigration thing.
Live near me, go on I'd like to hear English spoken in my area.
(before anyone thinks it, I am not racist or in a bad area, for London)

This will sound really bad but when local parents ban thier kids from going to the station or shops alone, because they are frightened of all the immigrants that hang around, something does need to be done.

Er, are the immigrants actually dangerous? Do you have proof that they are the cause of a massive crime wave sweeping your town? Or are the local parents just being paranoid about immigrants?

You said yourself that you're not in a bad area, so why do you care if there's a few more immigrants about?

Zombie - last i heard UKIP was crumbling fast... not sure where i heard that tho :/

Governments alright....shame blairs such a dick

Out of the 3 main parties Labour is the best one.
I think overall the Socialist Party have the best policies.