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Anyone want to provide me with some interesting facts about Che Guevara for my project on him for Spanish class?

Anyone want to provide me with some interesting facts about Che Guevara for my project on him for Spanish class?


he went to my dads school/amrythingy in cuba and they gave him a big ass steak and he asked "is this wat the people ate today" and when they said no he said "bring me a plate of wat the guys had today" making el che the only honest to god communist i know. a man for the people by the people and will to fight for wat he belived in (yea he killed but marxs said it had to be done) ohhh he had 2 girls both just like him. one of them once gave my brother her racket so he could play rackett ball for a day.

*Che Guevara spoke against the hypocrisy of the Soviet Union.

*Guevara was a blind ideologue. In the 1962 Missile crisis he urged Castro to fire nuclear missiles at the USA. He also conducted executions of dissidents.

His first name was Ernesto. And he tended a bit to the left.
http://www.che-lives.com/home/index.php

It's ironic I'm at che-lives.com right now...

Rather than following the majority of the democractic-socialists in the Cuban revolution, he insisted upon and won a Stalinist state. He presided over the Cuban revolution's first firing squads.

He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.

Those two stick out in my mind as being important.

He was a Doctor, from a rich family,

he wanted to change the World.

his name is sinonimus of REVOLUTION

When the americans helped murder him in bolivia it sparked a coup d'etat.

It's ironic I'm at che-lives.com right now...
:D Ah....ok....

When they killed him didn't someone demand his head for proof that he was dead? I think I read that somewhere... Maybe not.

When they killed him didn't someone demand his head for proof that he was dead? I think I read that somewhere... Maybe not.There is a rumor that the Amerikan Embassy expressed (to General Barrientos) the desire to see Guevara's head displayed on a pike at downtown LaPaz (the Bolivian capital).

Problem was the face was overtortured.

There is a rumor that the Amerikan Embassy expressed to Gen.Barrientos the desire to see Guevara's head displayed on a pike in the Bolivian capital.

Problem was the face was overtortured.
I looked it up. It was his hands they cut off for proof he was dead. Weird.

Hmm, well the T-Shirts etc. with his face on them are so popular they're cliche, and I seriously suspect half the people who wear them have no damn clue who Che Guevara was. Oh and there's the irony of the matter that retail outlets all over North America make a tidy profit by selling T-Shirts with a Communist revolutionary on them. That makes me feel all dirty just thinking about it.

Well since he was a Marxist. Theres symbolism with his hands being cut off if they were as proof of his death.. Without hands the worker can no longer work . And if the worker can no longer work what is he good for? Its just my theory but it kinda makes sense? its really your call.

I looked it up. It was his hands they cut off for proof he was dead. Weird.
Like the rumor says...the face was no longer recognizable.

Well since he was a Marxist. Theres symbolism with his hands being cut off if they were as proof of his death.. Without hands the worker can no longer work . And if the worker can no longer work what is he good for? Its just my theory but it kinda makes sense? its really your call.
Well, labour is the defining characteristic of human beings according to Marx: the only thing that can actually create value. Makes sense, I guess.

He was a fraud and a mass murderer whose kill count was only held in check by a lack of victims. He liked to perform executions himself, and he enjoyed parading prisoners past the execution wall to terrify them before they were finally killed. He was evil, like all totalitarians. I only wish he had died sooner, more painfully, and with less of his totally undeserved fame.

He was a fraud and a mass murderer whose kill count was only held in check by a lack of victims.
Um.. victims or lack thereof is the ONLY thing that determines a kill count. That basically amounts to saying if he hadn't not killed more people he would have killed more people. :rolleyes:

He was a fraud and a mass murderer whose kill count was only held in check by a lack of victims. He liked to perform executions himself, and he enjoyed parading prisoners past the execution wall to terrify them before they were finally killed. He was evil, like all totalitarians. I only wish he had died sooner, more painfully, and with less of his totally undeserved fame.
FOXnews? AP? :rolleyes:

http://i.timeinc.net/time/images/covers/1101600808cov_white.gif

http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/guevara01.html
Though communism may have lost its fire, he remains the potent symbol of rebellion and the alluring zeal of revolution

By the time Ernesto Guevara, known to us as Che, was murdered in the jungles of Bolivia in October 1967, he was already a legend to my generation, not only in Latin America but also around the world.

Like so many epics, the story of the obscure Argentine doctor who abandoned his profession and his native land to pursue the emancipation of the poor of the earth began with a voyage. In 1956, along with Fidel Castro and a handful of others, he had crossed the Caribbean in the rickety yacht Granma on the mad mission of invading Cuba and overthrowing the dictator Fulgencio Batista. Landing in a hostile swamp, losing most of their contingent, the survivors fought their way to the Sierra Maestra. A bit over two years later, after a guerrilla campaign in which Guevara displayed such outrageous bravery and skill that he was named comandante, the insurgents entered Havana and launched what was to become the first and only victorious socialist revolution in the Americas. The images were thereafter invariably gigantic. Che the titan standing up to the Yanquis, the world's dominant power. Che the moral guru proclaiming that a New Man, no ego and all ferocious love for the other, had to be forcibly created out of the ruins of the old one. Che the romantic mysteriously leaving the revolution to continue, sick though he might be with asthma, the struggle against oppression and tyranny.

Che was ...IS...the man..
hell we are all the man...

his hands were beautiful..in fact my best friend did a grand portrait of them..
i did one of him as a young militarist..shexy beast..


he was an awesome (meaning awe-inspiring and envoking) man

cheers

love Cardi

look him up conservative bastards who diss da man

VIVA LA REVOLUCION.....HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

and a note on the "cliche" che shirts..
i often get comments like that when i wear one of my collection of Ernesto "Che" Guevara shirts..about it being contra-socialist and misrepresentational of the image and mindset "we" are trying to provide, however unless the wearer of a Che or other controversial image shirt knows nothing of the man "behind(on) the shirt", wearing on is nothing of the sort.
I wear the shirts when i feel inspired and wish to encourage the same feelings in others.
some people wear the shirts to conform to the nonconformist conformity of being Non-conformist. meaning they dont know who the hell the man is.
this is not a problem for me...i dont like cut off their hands or anything..i just say, "like your shirt" and theyre like umm...right..then i KNOW they dont know who he is. When people tell me they like MY shirts, i respond with an EMphatic, "WHY thankyou SO much comerade!"

they tend to either jump on me ecstatically or bugger off.

Commies = not bad, just different ( i happen to think communism could work)
Che = most kickass commie who ever lived
Castro = not cool, Che could have kicked his ass in a fist fight
USA = stupid for worrying about the spread of communism and the USSR

Anyone want to provide me with some interesting facts about Che Guevara for my project on him for Spanish class?

Is this really your idea of research? Most people on an Internet bulletin board know little more of Che Guevara other than he looked cool in the famous Alberto Korda photograph.

Go to the library and check out the Jon Lee Anderson biography.

Anyone want to provide me with some interesting facts about Che Guevara for my project on him for Spanish class?

Spanish class? Wasnt he from Bolivia?
He fought in Cuba, Africa and in South America were he died I think.
Thats about all I know about him.

Che Guevara is the most mass marketed killer in existence.

He was a doctor.

He was all for starting World War III.

He was a Stalinist.

Glamorized by misguided individuals.

"Look at me, I'm so rebellious, I'm wearing a Che shirt." - Every stupid teenager who gets his hands on a basic overview of communism, and then visits hot topic.

Glamorized by a movie glamorizing a fascist Argentinian dictatress starring Madonna.

Society has been so lead to believe that Che is some sort of epic hero when in reality he isn't.

USA = stupid for worrying about the spread of communism and the USSR
You mean a tyrrannical system and nation which killed so many people that no other force, short of the great plagues (war, pestilence and diesease) are the only things that beat it. Wow, sounds like a real dumb idea to oppose that.

You mean a tyrrannical system and nation which killed so many people that no other force, short of the great plagues (war, pestilence and diesease) are the only things that beat it. Wow, sounds like a real dumb idea to oppose that.

the Soviets fought for their interests, and Americans fought for their own. Neither was in the right.

the Soviets fought for their interests, and Americans fought for their own. Neither was in the right.
The nazis fought for their own interests and the west fought for their own. Neither of them was in the right.

Bull shit. You don't get away with killing 20 million and get a "you're still in the right."

.. "you're still in the right."he said "Neither was in the rigth"

You mean a tyrrannical system and nation which killed so many people that no other force, short of the great plagues (war, pestilence and diesease) are the only things that beat it. Wow, sounds like a real dumb idea to oppose that.
and how many has capitalism or even america itself killed directly or indirectly through its self promoting acts

Che Guevara was a sexist homophobe who does not deserve the fame he has now.

Che had a fascinating life, but I guarantee that if it weren't for Alberto Korda's photograph 99.9% of the people talking about him on this message board or who wear his likeness would have never heard of him.

Che is a barbie pin up for pseudo-radicals looking for instant chic.

Have you read his diary yet?

Che Guevara was a sexist homophobe who does not deserve the fame he has now.
Oh yeah?
WELL SO AM I!!!

...

*shifty eyes*
That didn't come out quite right...

Have you read his diary yet?
Aye, if you really want to get an interesting tack on Guevara (I'm assuming a class project here, not individual choice) then read or watch The Motorcycle Diaries. ISBN: 0-00-717233-8

What distinguishes these diaries is that they reveal a human side to El Che which historians have successfully managed to supress ... a joy to read from start to finish

Aye, if you really want to get an interesting tack on Guevara (I'm assuming a class project here, not individual choice) then read or watch The Motorcycle Diaries. ISBN: 0-00-717233-8
Hell yeah. That movie rocks.

But also try to get your hands on the diary he kept while in Cuba.

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail."

"...a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate."

"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold- blooded killing machine – this is what our soldiers must become."

- Ernesto "Che" Guevara

Luis Ortega, a journalist who who knew Ernesto "Che" Guevara, reports in Yo Soy El Che! that he sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.

Daniel James, in Che Guevara: A Biography, writes that Che acknowledged ordering "several thousand" executions in the first few years of the Castro regime.

Dr. Armando M. Lago, in Cuba: The Human Cost of Social Revolutions has documented over 4,000 deaths in Cuba between 1959 - 1962, when Che Guevara was one of the Castro government's chief executioners.

Guevara also advocated an all out nuclear war with the United States, with the millions of casualties that implies, because he believed that a better world could be built from the ashes.

Che was born june 14th 1928 as Ernesto Guevara de la Serna in Rosario/Argentina.
Since may 2nd 1930 he had Asthma bronchiale.
He growed up in Argentina as an Anti-Peronista. Started studying medicine, but he never finished. As a student he made a tour all around south-america with his autocycle. In Mexico he met Fidel and Raul Castro.

He joined their "revolutionary forces" and came to Cuba with the Castro brothers and other revolutionarys with the "Granma"-Expedition at 25th of november 1956. As they landed, they were attacked by forces of Batista. 13 of the more than 80 revolutionarys survived and started the cuban revolution.
Che fighted, became a "commandante", the highest military rank of the revolutionary forces. At the 4th of january 1959 Che and his forces came to Havanna - cuban revolution had won.

Then came a memorable day. With one of his long speeches Fidel made Che fell asleep. As Fidel asked "is there an economist with us (economista)" and Che heard "is there a communist with us (communista)". He showed up and so he became the first minister of finance in revolutionary cuba.

But Che was more a fighter, than an minister. He attacked the soviet union in front of the UN and Fidel had to fire him. Then first he goes to Kongo to start a revolution there and failed. He came back to cuba ant then started revolution in Bolivia. He was catched heavily injured an two days later killed by Bolivian forces on order from the CIA. That was the 9th of october 1967.

He was an revolutionary, an idealist, he did allways himself what he demanded from others, he looked for the "new man" (l 'hombre noevo). There are many books about him available and a lot of books written by himself. His two dictionarys(the cuban and the bolivian), "Theory and methods of guerillian war", and many speeches are available too.

I personally think he was killed for his sentence "Let us create two, three, many vietnams!" and his attempt to do so.

(sorry about my enlish, im no native speaker)

Yes, Che killed people. I think he killed hundreds in his life. At war. He decided to get revolution by force. And at the war he joined he killed enemies. Thats war.
And he killed as minister. As chief of Havanna in the first days of the revolutions victory. He killed and let kill those which were criminals in his eyes. Not thiefes or something like that - murders. Those who forced Batistas dictatorship as responsibles. He condemn them to death. Yes he did. I won't hide that.

Che's views were radicalized after the trip he took around South America and watching the enormous differences between rich and poor; injustice, hunger and misery. Walter Salles, director of "The Motorcycle Diaries" said that the most surprising thing was how little things had changed since then in the continent.

And his views turned even more radical after he witnessed the deposition of democratically elected Arbenz in Guatemala by a CIA coup, as he was there. He fled to Mexico were he met the Castro brothers, who were putting together an almost suicidal plan to throw out the dictatorship of US supported Fulgencio Batista.

After Batista fled to Miami on New Year of 1959, he was put in charge of the firing squads. He was not in charge of the trials, just of carrying out the sentences that were given to the murderers, land stealers and rapists that formed the backbone of the military and land owners during Batista's regime. No one accused of lesser crimes was executed.

He was given Cuban citizenship and named Minister of Industry. But he wasn't too good at that, though he tried. He also started butting heads with Castro about the direction the government was taking in respect to democracy. After a few years in Cuba he went on to "export the Revolution" as Castro would put it.

Why was he such a followed leader? Well, he was very charismatic, always at the front in the fight, never asking of others more than he could do himself. He was also very fair and compassionate with the enemy and civilian population. Those who accuse him of murdering thousands (the tried and sentenced murderers and traitors) forget that he also let thousands of regular enemy soldiers captured in battle go free. He was untirable, but too radical for any practical purposes beyond war. He was simply a warrior who had no use for politics or diplomacy.

Luis Ortega, a journalist who who knew Ernesto "Che" Guevara, reports in Yo Soy El Che! that he sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.

Daniel James, in Che Guevara: A Biography, writes that Che acknowledged ordering "several thousand" executions in the first few years of the Castro regime.

Dr. Armando M. Lago, in Cuba: The Human Cost of Social Revolutions has documented over 4,000 deaths in Cuba between 1959 - 1962, when Che Guevara was one of the Castro government's chief executioners.

Guevara also advocated an all out nuclear war with the United States, with the millions of casualties that implies, because he believed that a better world could be built from the ashes.



...well let's see...
the world is well, fucked up, to put it lightly
*cracks open can of coke and bottle of bacardi*

I think che may have something with this building a better world form the...hold on excuse me for a second please..

*throws full coke can over shoulder and swallows the first half of the delicious Bacardi Superior*

alright now where..ah yes..
building..yada yada..from the ashes ..yes..ashes

now dont get me wrong..im so damn afraid that the world might actually come to face nuclear war...
heh for all you Lincoln Douglas-ers...we all know everything ultimately ends in Nuke War!!

im not saying el Capitan had no faults..what fucking human doesnt mate..?

*downs rest of the rum and reflects on human nature*

i mean tipsy or not, i know i have faults..i am sometimes way to radically liberal..like people try to jump me and shit..

but WTH...if we are all going up in smoke someday, might as well er..

i believe i was about to go off on a sexual tangent..ahem..


etc.. i think all of the people criticizing THE shirt weareers need to fucking like bugger off or something productive like that..
I know who the man was..is.. what he means to different people, what the world is like without him, what it would be like with... and I feel as though i can not wear my shirts in public with out being taken for a jackass who knows NOTHING about commies, militarists, socialism, che, the works...
I want to wear the Shirts proudly, or at least, for the love of all Ponies,Safely..not worrying about being taken down by random people from all political sides...


Well then dearies.. Im off to ENJOY a QUIET peaceful thing of my rum with out being panic and guilt ridden on account of the Shirt i happen to be wearing RIGHT NOW!!...bastards..

love,
Cardi(yes this IS my name..)

AHEM.. im not quite through..

*****DISCLAIMER******

the author of this post, on this thread so controversial, does not in anyway associate herself with the likes of a particular or particular(plural) political groups...HA BULLSHIT!!
im so like a psuedo marxist lefty

His face is used to ironically sell mass-produced shirts to the MTV crowd who know nothing about him.

Che was a moderately effective gureilla fighter, he overcame asthma and and a weak constitution to forge himself into a self-proclaimed "expert" on revolutionary activities. His theories worked fairly well in taking Cuba, but his other campaigns were unsuccessful and ultimately resulted in his death in an ambush. This ambush occured as he was undergoing treatment for injuries sustained in combat.

Che provided us with several useful theories on how to craft a revolutionary/civil war in nations; but his insights were too specific to his "homeland" and do not provide military theorists with good, basic theory. He attained cult status sometime after his death.

hmm like jesus!

love cardi!

He had his cult status before, but this one wellknown photo, printed hundredthousands times made him immortal as symbol for revolution.

And yes, like jesus. The ideas and ideals connected to photo may be nearby the real persons, but its some more, some less. Most people knew what he stands for but only some have read and heard his real words. Just like jesus.

(Have you ever seen the photos of the death Che? They posed him like jesus. Really, he looks just like him!)

when he was wounded in the jungle, a man came upon him to kill him, both were surprised, and Che breaking the silence said, "Kill me coward, I am just a man."

Um.. victims or lack thereof is the ONLY thing that determines a kill count. That basically amounts to saying if he hadn't not killed more people he would have killed more people. :rolleyes:No, it is saying that his bloodlust lacked a sufficient population to allow his numbering among the Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin types.

I saw it posted before, but I'd really reccomend watching the movie The Motorcycle Diaries to get a feel for how Che lived.

That movie is pure propaganda. I really don't understand how mass murderers are somehow cool if they are photogenic, or if they say they "mean well." The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

He was born in Argentinia. :)

Just google or wiki him. :)

That movie is pure propaganda. I really don't understand how mass murderers are somehow cool if they are photogenic, or if they say they "mean well." The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Have you even seen the movie? It is strictly about his life before the Cuban revolution. It is about his travels through South America as a doctor.

Sorry to double post, but I highly recommend watching a movie before you critisize.

Have you even seen the movie? It is strictly about his life before the Cuban revolution. It is about his travels through South America as a doctor.
I know that, you pedant. It doesn't mean he isn't photgenic in it, or that it isn't propaganda. Hitler had lots of pictures taken showing himself playing with his dogs, viewing peaceful mountain scenes, etc. The point is to show a "nicer side" to mass murderer.

That movie is pure propaganda. I really don't understand how mass murderers are somehow cool if they are photogenic, or if they say they "mean well." The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
and the road to peace has always been painted with blood and paved with bodies

and the road to peace has always been painted with blood and paved with bodies
Thank you Mr. Lenin. I hope you are locked up before you can do any harm to yourself or others.

Thank you Mr. Lenin. I hope you are locked up before you can do any harm to yourself or others.
just stating a fact, i rather win by smooth talkig and pulling invisible strings

american revolution, supposedly the iraqi and afghanistan conflict, american civil war, etc etc etc

you think all these revolutions and wars are just for shits and giggles?

Yeah, the whole idea of having a che picture on a t-shirt and not knowing a thing about it really ticks me off.

I mean, I wouldn't mind so much if people actually understood retarded communist ideas, thought they were good, and then supported them. But most of the kids wearing those t-shirts are not only unable to name the man on their shirt but also lack even the most rudimentary political knowledge.

I can tolerate people of pretty much any political view, as long as they know what their political view is. But people who push propaganda for a political system they don't understand or know anything about? Those people are just stupid.

I like the word rudimentary.


I like much less the "retarded communist ideas" part, however rudimentary is a nice word..
well not nice particularly, given the context (in which you insult comerades)
but the r, u, d, i, m, e, n, t, a, r, and y make up a aesthetically(nice) British sounding word.

(When in different context (id est: not insulting the comerades))

love,

Cardi


Viva El Che.







..bastard (Ciryar) ahem..cough, cough... :eek: (<--- coughing comerade)
:rolleyes:

hang in there Reaper. :)

The above post makes no sense.

Anyway, I presented to project today. I stutteredand got ahead of the powerpoint but it went alright at any rate.

Sorry I'm double-posting again, however..I would just like to let you (Dogburg) know that I think your toleration of people with "pretty much any political view" is quite nice.


Go Tolerance! :D



love Cardi



Viva la Revolucion.

;)

..bastard (Ciryar) ahem..cough, cough... :eek: (<--- coughing comerade)
:rolleyes:

hang in there Reaper. :)Bastard? What could you possibly know about my parentage?
Seriously though, I have no problem with you debating ideas, but please at least attempt to debate them. If you can't back up your opinions, and it bothers you that someone with a lot of facts seems to disagree with you, perhaps you should reexamine your opinions. Just a thought.

Bastard? What could you possibly know about my parentage?
Seriously though, I have no problem with you debating ideas, but please at least attempt to debate them. If you can't back up your opinions, and it bothers you that someone with a lot of facts seems to disagree with you, perhaps you should reexamine your opinions. Just a thought.


sorry mate, i got a bit jumpy, eh..?


no wukkahs..we'll just have to settle down a bit and relax to some nice Cat Stevens then wont we?


anyways i really liked that bit you wrote about the parentage..that was stonkeringly witty.; )
love,