NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1397088,00.html

Blair is absolutely right. It is shocking that so few democratic governments support the Iraqi people. Where are French and German and Spanish protests against the terror being inflicted on voters in Iraq? And it is shocking that around the world there is not wider admiration of, assistance to and moral support (and more) for the Iraqi people. The choice is clear: movement towards democracy in Iraq or a new nihilism akin to fascism - Islamist fascism.

This is exactly what a number of the people who support the efforts in Iraq have been arguing. Now that the Guardian has said it, will it have an impact on the sideline sitters?

I dont understand it either. I can understand the resevations about the war itself but now that that is done and dusted, you would think that people would get over that and support this new government. It is democratic after all.

and the US has never instilled fascist governments or equivolents thereof *cough* penochet*cough* if it doesnt support the us, they wouldnt be setting it up

in short: you think we actualyl care about the iraqis? thats not how politics works boyo

and the US has never instilled fascist governments or equivolents thereof *cough* penochet*cough* if it doesnt support the us, they wouldnt be setting it up

in short: you think we actualyl care about the iraqis? thats not how politics works boyo

How exactly is it in the interest of the US if the Iraqies choose who governs them?

Now that the Guardian has said it, will it have an impact on the sideline sitters?

Yes, because the whole anti-war movement depends upon what a journalist who works for The Guardian writes.

Yes, because the whole anti-war movement depends upon what a journalist who works for The Guardian writes.

I think the original poster meant, now that this view is becoming more accepted will it change peoples opinions.

How exactly is it in the interest of the US if the Iraqies choose who governs them?
there was a thread awhile back about how they were going to end up with a us appointed ruler either way

Yes, because the whole anti-war movement depends upon what a journalist who works for The Guardian writes.

The Guardian has been a critic of the US and its government for years. A number of anti-war posters on here use it as a source. If the need for people to get over their disagreement over the war and get behind the Iraqi elections is obvious to the Guardian, why not everyone?

As for the US supporting a particular ticket, it has been blatantly obvious that we have not. We have been trying to put solutions forward to ensure a fair representation of the Sunnis. The sad truth is, that most of the candidates are not publicizing their campaigns for fear of attack.

The Guardian has been a critic of the US and its government for years. A number of anti-war posters on here use it as a source. If the need for people to get over their disagreement over the war and get behind the Iraqi elections is obvious to the Guardian, why not everyone?


Are you...taking the piss?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1397088,00.html



This is exactly what a number of the people who support the efforts in Iraq have been arguing. Now that the Guardian has said it, will it have an impact on the sideline sitters?

As much as I hate to say it, but I don't think it will. I'm hoping it does, but I don't think it will.

there was a thread awhile back about how they were going to end up with a us appointed ruler either way

There have been threads supporting all kinds of speculation. What and where exactly have you seen the US try to influence the outcome of this election? Did you read the poll numbers in that article? The people are excited about this election and are literally risking their lives for the right to vote.

al-Zarqawi and al-Qaeda have declared war on the Iraqi people. What will it take to get the world to stand up and support the Iraqi people in their fight for freedom?

Are you...taking the piss?

Excuse me??

al-Zarqawi and al-Qaeda have declared war on the Iraqi people. What will it take to get the world to stand up and support the Iraqi people in their fight for freedom?
intelligent, un hyppocritic approach

Excuse me??
with my very small education in unamerican english slang, i would venture to guess hes asking if your drunk or likewise

with my very small education in unamerican english slang, i would venture to guess hes asking if your drunk or likewise
Not quite.

He's asking is he trying to be funny. Or something like that.

Sorry but the only decent description I can think of is "taking the mickey" no idea what an American equivelent would be.

with my very small education in unamerican english slang, i would venture to guess hes asking if your drunk or likewise

Well, as a 54 year old woman who does not drink, I can say that no I am not drunk, yes I am intelligent and take great care in formulating my opinions, and I do not appreciate a personal insult because of my opinions.

Well, as a 54 year old woman who does not drink, I can say that no I am not drunk, yes I am intelligent and take great care in formulating my opinions, and I do not appreciate a personal insult because of my opinions.

People do seem to insult others for differing opinion!

Your right! This Al Zarawqi person has declared war on Democracy itself, not just the Iraqi people. I maybe young but that hasn't escaped my notice.

I dont understand it either. I can understand the resevations about the war itself but now that that is done and dusted, you would think that people would get over that and support this new government. It is democratic after all.

Ditto. Although i think possibly the issue is that they disagree with the extent to which what happens still relies on America's dictate.
Being as they seem to have screwed things up prety badly so far, what's the point of the French/German/et al governments wasting their resources on poor planning until such plans are improved?

Zooke - he's asking if you're joking. It's not an insult (other than the fact he's questioning the rationality of your statement, i guess...)

Edit: typos

Well, as a 54 year old woman who does not drink, I can say that no I am not drunk, yes I am intelligent and take great care in formulating my opinions, and I do not appreciate a personal insult because of my opinions.
Fine ignore the British person trying to explain the British term ;)

He wasn't saying you were drunk, he was asking if you were joking

OK, though for future reference when asking an older American if they are joking, try saying something like "Are you sh---ing me?", or "No joke?" or even "Are you jazzing me?". Other terms are also understood, but that one left me in the dust.

Nope, I'm not kidding. The Guardian has published countless articles opposing the war, Bush, and Blair. It even sponsored a letter writing campaign to Ohio voters not to vote for Bush. If you'll remember, that was EXTREMELY unpopular with most Americans. For the Guardian to come out with an article criticizing France, Germany, and Spain is stunning and a welcome sight.

al-Zarqawi is attacking the civilians and police in Iraq, no doubt in hopes of intimidating them and keeping them away from the elections. It's starting to look like it's pissing them off more than it is scaring them.

OK, though for future reference when asking an older American if they are joking, try saying something like "Are you sh---ing me?", or "No joke?" or even "Are you jazzing me?". Other terms are also understood, but that one left me in the dust.

Had me going too. Thought it was a new American slang for a sec. :D

Nope, I'm not kidding. The Guardian has published countless articles opposing the war, Bush, and Blair. It even sponsored a letter writing campaign to Ohio voters not to vote for Bush. If you'll remember, that was EXTREMELY unpopular with most Americans. For the Guardian to come out with an article criticizing France, Germany, and Spain is stunning and a welcome sight.

It was a welcome sight. Hopefully, they are starting to see the light in that the Iraqis do need the support of nations like the US, Britain, Japan, and others that are in there right now. Hopefully more nations will support them.

al-Zarqawi is attacking the civilians and police in Iraq, no doubt in hopes of intimidating them and keeping them away from the elections. It's starting to look like it's pissing them off more than it is scaring them.

Making them mad is right. Never make people mad! They are liable to go ahead and do something you don't want them to do.

At present it looks like many Iraqis will be voting for the Iraqi Communist Party who'd most likely abolish elections anyway.

Making them mad is right. Never make people mad! They are liable to go ahead and do something you don't want them to do.

Like the US after 9/11? Wish we could inject some of our scrappiness into them. They'd be out tracking down the terrorists and beheading them on the streets!

At present it looks like many Iraqis will be voting for the Iraqi Communist Party who'd most likely abolish elections anyway.

I haven't seen many comprehensive polls as most of the Iraqis are staying under the radar for safety. Do you have a source? I think if a government tried to do away with elections after all we have been through might find they have a problem on their hands.

At present it looks like many Iraqis will be voting for the Iraqi Communist Party who'd most likely abolish elections anyway.
Ahh that's reminds of a Tigris Tales column, also in the Grauniad, Apparently the Communist party is one of the few which aren't only supported by thugs carrying AKs, lets see if I can find it.

:EDIT: here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1377716,00.html)

Like the US after 9/11? Wish we could inject some of our scrappiness into them. They'd be out tracking down the terrorists and beheading them on the streets!

I agree. Maybe we should ask the medical community to come up with that type of Serum. :D

I haven't seen many comprehensive polls as most of the Iraqis are staying under the radar for safety. Do you have a source? I think if a government tried to do away with elections after all we have been through might find they have a problem on their hands.

This was BBC Newsnight.
The Communist Party has the highest number of registered voters, and they're expecting people to vote for them as the non-militant Islamists.

This was BBC Newsnight.
The Communist Party has the highest number of registered voters, and they're expecting people to vote for them as the non-militant Islamists.

How do they reconcile the deep faith of Muslims, with the historic Communist suppression of religion?

and the US has never instilled fascist governments or equivolents thereof *cough* penochet*cough* if it doesnt support the us, they wouldnt be setting it up

in short: you think we actualyl care about the iraqis? thats not how politics works boyo
We need to leave the Iraqis in the hands of that Zarqawi (sp?) guy that has declared war on democratic elections.