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Can homosexuals have the Oedipus Complex? Or maybe some reversed form?


For people who don't know: Oedipus (in Greek mythology) killed his father to marry his mother.

like wanting to kill your mother to have your father?

Uh, I guess so.

I can't see why a homosexual would not be able to have the same complex as a heterosexual could have, except I suppose that the genders would be reversed.

Also, there is some anthropological evidence that the Oedipal complex as Freud envisioned it doesn't exist per se. Apparently, the cause of the males harboring aggression towards their fathers isn't jealousy over the mother's affection so much as it is in reaction to the father's traditional role as disciplinarian in many societies.

like wanting to kill your mother to have your father?
Exactly! Can they?


Any psychologists on the topic?

Well, no matter how you slice it, murder and incest are both...distasteful, if not 'crazy'. I don't know if the genders or gender preferences involved have any bearing on the degree of distaste, or the degree of craziness, though.

probably, if not I have my blow up doll(s)

So if the Oedipal complex isn't real, then nobody can have it. If the recent evidence is true, then homosexual males would show the exact same aggression against their fathers as heterosexual males (since the father's role as disciplinarian doesn't change), assuming the "wanting to sleep with your mother/father" part isn't true.

I forgot to mention that the same studies found evidence that another factor in aggressive feelings between father and son is competition to "sleep" with the mother...but not in the dirty way I know you are all thinking. ;) In some of the primitive cultures studied, the women kept their newborn babies in the same bed with them (rather than putting them in a crib) when they both slept, and this, due to taboo, indirectly meant that the father wasn't getting any sweet lovin'. So this would cause more aggressive feelings in the father directed at the child, which would then intensify the child's aggressive feelings towards the father.

In that hypothetical scenario, a woman could potentially kill her mother to marry her father, or perhaps her father to marry her mother. Neither of those instances are part of the myth. As for a serious psychological answer, I have no idea.

Can homosexuals have the Oedipus Complex? Or maybe some reversed form?


For people who don't know: Oedipus (in Greek mythology) killed his father to marry his mother.

shut your face fucker

Well, no matter how you slice it, murder and incest are both...distasteful, if not 'crazy'. I don't know if the genders or gender preferences involved have any bearing on the degree of distaste, or the degree of craziness, though.

Though the theory was couched in the classic story of Oedipus Rex (which was an extreme case and different from the complex in all of the details), the complex itself is not, to my knowledge, so extreme as to lead to murder or incest (unless the person is already a sociopath in other ways, I suppose). In its essence, the complex just describes aggressive feelings towards the father and affectionate feelings towards the mother. So being distasteful or crazy fortunately doesn't have much bearing on the complex itself.

And I agree, both incest and murder are pretty gross.

shut your face fucker
awww, what a cute little kid :fluffle:

shut your face fucker

Why do you waste your time?

awww, what a cute little kid :fluffle:

wanta make out/touchy feeling in the alley?

wanta make out/touchy feeling in the alley?
No....


... Let's do it right here in front of everybody :fluffle:

No....


... Let's do it right here in front of everybody :fluffle:


/me shocked

what kind of girl do you take me for

shut your face fucker

thats the best you could come up with? "fucker?" come on man, if your going to be the standard random (sometimes funny) prick that pops up out of nowere, then at least do it right. maybe a second attempt would do well, cause i could use some humor at the moment.

Why do you waste your time?

And perhaps more importantly, why do we (as you can see, I'm doing it too) encourage him by replying rather than reporting him and moving on. Maybe if we don't pay attention to him, he'll look for the attention he so desperately lacks somewhere else. :)

People have better things to do....like calculate the most depressing day of the year!

Can homosexuals have the Oedipus Complex? Or maybe some reversed form?


For people who don't know: Oedipus (in Greek mythology) killed his father to marry his mother.
but he killed his father not knowing that it was his father, and married his mother not knowing it was his mother.............

/me shocked

what kind of girl do you take me for

I dunno...the cutesy, girl-next-door-who-happens-to-be-a-psychotic type?

People have better things to do....like calculate the most depressing day of the year!

think of your own name for your country canada, your worse then am3rica or stuff like that.
wanta make out?

but he killed his father not knowing that it was his father, and married his mother not knowing it was his mother.............

Exactly! Like I said, the story has little to do with the complex.

/me shocked

what kind of girl do you take me for
A rude girl..... which I like

People have better things to do....like calculate the most depressing day of the year!

hey now, thats an important job. lets not mock those hard working people.

but he killed his father not knowing that it was his father, and married his mother not knowing it was his mother.............
I know, I know. But it's named after the guy so I thought I'd mention it to go on the huge pile of trivia

A rude girl..... which I like

oh baby oh baby

And perhaps more importantly, why do we (as you can see, I'm doing it too) encourage him by replying rather than reporting him and moving on. Maybe if we don't pay attention to him, he'll look for the attention he so desperately lacks somewhere else. :)

Well I enjoy watching people make asses out of themselves, so anything I can do to egg him on is a plus. He just didn't seem to be putting any effort into it.

I know, I know. But it's named after the guy so I thought I'd mention it to go on the huge pile of trivia
ok, just had to throw that out there, I shall take my leave now and go to bed

Well I enjoy watching people make asses out of themselves, so anything I can do to egg him on is a plus. He just didn't seem to be putting any effort into it.


Heh heh, yeah...you'd think if he was gonna act like that, he'd at least try to be funny...

Heh heh, yeah...you'd think if he was gonna act like that, he'd at least try to be funny...

assuming he gives a fuck about this boring game, and would have a reason to be "funny" to impress you losers.
/me getting a life and not playing this shit


titty

assuming he gives a fuck about this boring game, and would have a reason to be "funny" to impress you losers.
/me getting a life and not playing this shit
Bye... it was fun while it lasted

assuming he gives a fuck about this boring game, and would have a reason to be "funny" to impress you losers.
/me getting a life and not playing this shit


titty

Ok, now that was funny, since if he didnt' care he wouldn't have posted that. See the humorous irony? Now you're talkin' subtle.

Well, I was bored and nothing seemed interesting. Nothing seemed funny either, until I read this thread.

Well, I was bored and nothing seemed interesting. Nothing seemed funny either, until I read this thread.
damnit! I try to make a serious thread only ONCE.... :headbang:

Oh well, so sorry. I'll try to take it seriously next time. :D

Oh well, so sorry. I'll try to take it seriously next time. :D
I'll make sure to pick a serious topic.... like bananas.

For people who don't know: Oedipus (in Greek mythology) killed his father to marry his mother.

Just so people know, Oedipus in the myth didnt know he was killing his father to marry his mother. He had been exciled as a baby because it had been prophesied that he would kill his father.

Just so people know, Oedipus in the myth didnt know he was killing his father to marry his mother. He had been exciled as a baby because it had been prophesied that he would kill his father.
I know

And *because* he was exciled he ended up killing his Father.

I know

And *because* he was exciled he ended up killing his Father."Exiled." Just a heads up.

And there is a female version of the Oedipus Complex. It's called the Elektra Complex.

"Exiled." Just a heads up.

And there is a female version of the Oedipus Complex. It's called the Elektra Complex.
yeah yeah...

But is there a GAY version?

yeah yeah...

But is there a GAY version?Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a psychologist.

Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a psychologist.
Dammit, doctor. I'm Paul, not Jim
:fluffle:

Dammit, doctor. I'm Paul, not Jim
:fluffle:Surely you can't be serious.

Surely you can't be serious.
There's proof that I can

There's proof that I canTotally not the response I was looking for.

There probably isn't a homosexual version. I think the complex hinges on that fact that your mother is different to you and your dad. Something like that your mother was once a male, but was mutilated by your father, and so your wanting to be with your mother is do with protecting her from your father.

Blame Freud.

I love Bree's (from Desperate Housewives) comments on Freud and his mum.
In Dr. Goldfine's office, he watches Bree sew the button back onto his jacket.


Dr. Goldfine: "I'm sure Freud would not approve of this."
Bree: "Oh, who cares what he thinks. I took psychology in college. We learned all about Freud. A miserable human being."
Dr. Goldfine: "What makes you say that?"
Bree: "Well, think about it. He grew up in the late 1800s. There were no appliances back then. His mother had to do everything by hand, just backbreaking work from sunup to sundown, not to mention the countless other sacrifices she probably had to make to take care of her family. And what does he do? He grows up and becomes famous, peddling a theory that the problems of most adults can be traced back to something awful their mother has done. She must have felt so betrayed. He saw how hard she worked. He saw what she did for him. Did he even ever think to say thank you? I doubt it."
She finishes up the coat and puts it on him. "There you go."


Dr. Goldfine: "Just so you know, many of Freud's theories have been discredited."
Bree: "Good."

serious reply for Legless Pirates
:headbang:
Goddammit! I can too be serious!

Surely you can't be serious.
He's not jesting and dont call him sherly (old movie takeoff transformed)

:headbang:
Goddammit! I can too be serious!
I wasm't saying that you couldn't. I was just trying to put in a serious reply because you seemed disapointed at the lack of serious replies.

I wasm't saying that you couldn't. I was just trying to put in a serious reply because you seemed disapointed at the lack of serious replies.
I am :(

Thank you, by the way :fluffle:

freuds oedipus complex works for a boy wanting to kill his father to possess his mother - but theres more! he also had a theory about a girl wanting to kill her mother to posess her father, he called it the electra complex.
woo hoo go me and my minor in psychology!!!!!

I studied psychology for a year, most of it is insightful and helpful to people who have problems.
On the other hand freud is absolute cock.
the man was as mad as a 1 inch hospital.
his entire theory < oedipus complex > was refined from his case studies. dozens of vienniese housewives and 2 male subjects.
The theory that males wish to sexually possess their mothers and are afraid that their fathers will castrate them comes from these studies.
The 2 male cases.
the 2 males involved were little hans and a certain sigmund freud.
Little hans was a 4 year old kid, presented with an acute fear of horses.
and so the only articulate male to reveal all his problems to the good doctor was himself.
good old uncle sigmund wanted to shag his mother and thought his dad would cut his cock off for it.- good old siggy was MAD AS CATS.
oh, and the whole other sex, you know? all the women,? his other patients?
they had the same thing- but with the addition of 'penis envy'
you see the women WANTED to be men so that they could shag their mothers and be afraid of their father's knife wielding ways.
and this guy's insanity is still taught - with an -ology on the end of it, as a science.
oh , did you know he was a massive Coke-head as well?

Can homosexuals have the Oedipus Complex? Or maybe some reversed form?


For people who don't know: Oedipus (in Greek mythology) killed his father to marry his mother.
Ahh Oedipus...There was a man who really meant it when he sent a "I love you Mum" card on Mother's day.
And dare I say it? The first original Motherfucker.

Anyhow, from what I can remember, the term for a woman having an Oepidus complex is "Electra complex*".
It's pretty banal and frankly silly theory - The idea is that the girl is "envious" of her father's penis and wants to possess it so strongly that she dreams of bearing his children, thus the term "penis-envy". This leads to resentment towards her mother, who the girl believes caused her castration.

However, if you accept that this is a possible situation, it could easily be used for homosexuals as for girls. The boy could become "envious" of his father's penis and wants to possess it. This leads to resentment towards his mother, who the boy believes doesn't deserve it.



*Named after (surprise surprise) Electra, who was the daughter of Agamemnon and Clytemnestra who wanted her brother to avenge their father's death by killing their mother.

Electra complex would be right in terms of the players (killing mom to get with dad), but wrong in every other regard. I don't mean "wrong" wrong (what's wrong with a little gay incestuous erotocide?), just inaccurate. Freud's read on the Electra thing is grounded in penis envy, which wouldn't apply to the son.

I suggest that we call this new complex "Springer Syndrome, variant 225c."

Might this be the Elektra Complex?

Might this be the Elektra Complex?
I think someone mentioned that but I think he was looking for a specific male complex though I would say Elektra counts