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http://www.bushflash.com/14.html

Eric Blumrich is one of my personal heros.

He has very valid points, and I agree with them, it's just that I'd call the Bush administration more fascistic than fascist.

And now that I've expressed my opinion, I fully expect this to either fade away or degenerate into a flame war.

Eric Blumrich is one of my personal heros.

Same here.
Let's see how much further down the road of Fascism Bush can take the US in his next 4 wars... I mean years.

Same here.
Let's see how much further down the road of Fascism Bush can take the US in his next 4 wars... I mean years.

*applause*

Bush shall take over the world, acieving power Hitler could only dream of.

Bush shall take over the world, acieving power Hitler could only dream of.
Well, Hitler only wanted Europe for his Aryan Empire; I don't think Bush would be satisfied by that. (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/political.php)

Scary yes, but fascist regimes typically have not had two-term presidential restrictions.

Scary yes, but fascist regimes typically have not had two-term presidential restrictions.

They have 4 years to change that. Nationalism can be a very powerful ally for the dark side.

Disdain for arts and intellectuals?
1. The Dixie chicks are hardly art
2. Many liberals seem to think that hating conservatives make them smarter. I know a lot of dumb conservatives, but some of the world's biggest dumbasses in this world are liberals. Go figure.l

Scary yes, but fascist regimes typically have not had two-term presidential restrictions.

And they usually outlaw all other political parties.

They have 4 years to change that. Nationalism can be a very powerful ally for the dark side.

If that happens, I will eat my hat and move to North Korea.

wow.

And they usually outlaw all other political parties.

Yeah. I don't think that's concrete though. I think there's been a few with minor political parties, but certainly no left ones. And the CPUSA is still legal.

If that happens, I will eat my hat and move to North Korea.
you wont have to by then and i dobut it will be inhabitable

you wont have to by then and i dobut it will be inhabitable

Oh yeah, they'll be on the hit list, won't they?

Well...Antarctica it is. Or maybe St. Helena or Kerguelen.

Scary yes, but fascist regimes typically have not had two-term presidential restrictions.


jeb will run in 08

jeb will run in 08

In which case it will be a monarchy :p

In which case it will be a monarchy :p
...You mean dynasty?

If that happens, I will eat my hat and move to North Korea.
I as well.

But conservatives are the ones who tend to identify "liberal" "intellectual" and "elite" as going together. We can't help but consider them complements, but why do conservatives consider them insults?
Creepng fascism. Not quite a fascist country. Yet.

jeb will run in 08
I don't think that'll happen. I mean, come on, do you seriously think that Jeb would be able to win in '08? Or even '12? No, in '08 we'll see Giuliaini or McCain. Not Jeb, a Bush cannot win for another eight years.

Oh another bush bash.

Come on guys, get over it. He is in for another 4 years, deal.

I'm putting up with a socialist Dip S*** in my state for another 18 months before we get an election but he has a massive majority, so he will probably win a third term.

In any case this is a better analysis of Bush's 2nd term.

http://www.jibjab.com/lowband/default.htm :D

Even if Jeb did run in the next election, it would be the same as Gore running after Clinton's two terms.

<3 Mike Malloy.

Oh another bush bash.

Come on guys, get over it. He is in for another 4 years, deal.

I'm putting up with a socialist Dip S*** in my state for another 18 months before we get an election but he has a massive majority, so he will probably win a third term.

In any case this is a better analysis of Bush's 2nd term.

http://www.jibjab.com/lowband/default.htm :D

very good

Disdain for arts and intellectuals?
1. The Dixie chicks are hardly art
2. Many liberals seem to think that hating conservatives make them smarter. I know a lot of dumb conservatives, but some of the world's biggest dumbasses in this world are liberals. Go figure.l

LIKE JESUS!!

wait... never mind, he had no formal schooling.

As it turns out, most of the scientific and educational community is liberal.

wanna know why? because smart people can see through the propaganda. Thats why all facist countries try to get rid of them.

One of the reasons I am liberal is because I have a republican firend who is so ignorant and propaganda eating it scared me

if it weren't for the fact that so many neocon intellectuals were jews we would live in a perfect nation.

Even if Jeb did run in the next election, it would be the same as Gore running after Clinton's two terms.
You're missing the fact that Gore and Clinton happen to be unrelated, and the there has been a President George H.W. Bush, and a President W. Bush, and another President Bush would make it a little different from Gore succeeding Clinton. If Cheney ran after Bush, then that would be analogous.

I've already seen the list, actually. I don't know if I'd say the US is fascist (I'd be dead already), but if something isn't done, it could end up fascist.

LIKE JESUS!!

wait... never mind, he had no formal schooling.

As it turns out, most of the scientific and educational community is liberal.

wanna know why? because smart people can see through the propaganda. Thats why all facist countries try to get rid of them.

One of the reasons I am liberal is because I have a republican firend who is so ignorant and propaganda eating it scared me
Well, an amusing thought.

Of the levels of education (no high school diploma, high school diploma, undergraduate degree, post graduate degree(s))

Democrat voters tend to be from the no high school diploma and post graduate degree group, whilst Republican voters tend to be from the high school diploma and undergraduate degree groups.

It seems to average out doesn't it?

And I voted for Bush partially because the propaganda eating dems on campus scared me with their vitriol.

The "intelligentsia" may be more liberal because the philosophy tends to be more conducive to their personal interests.

Your analysis of the data is not the only one, and quite possibly the wrong one.

Out of the 14, I could find only five or six that were true to the US. I mean, c'mon, rampant sexism? Society in general has moved away from sexism, and the government may be moving even faster.

Society in general has moved away from sexism, and the government may be moving even faster.
That's why 77 women served in the 108th Congress, right?

Out of the 14, I could find only five or six that were true to the US. I mean, c'mon, rampant sexism? Society in general has moved away from sexism, and the government may be moving even faster.
your kidding right?

look up the odds on a woman being elected president, im sure they are great

That's why 77 women served in the 108th Congress, right?
No. It is because many women chose not to run.
And btw, it's great that we have powerful women in this society, like Condi Rice, or Carly Fiorina. Compare that with the power of a women in, say, Warziristan, or Somolia.

your kidding right?

look up the odds on a woman being elected president, im sure they are great
The odds are high. Why? Hillary.

No. It is because many women chose not to run.
And btw, it's great that we have powerful women in this society, like Condi Rice, or Carly Fiorina. Compare that with the power of a women in, say, Warziristan, or Somolia.
That is a good point, and might be true. I do not know if that's actually why or not, but that's a convincing argument.

wow. He found 14 things in common. Unfortunately these are not the actuall defining characteristics of Fascism. Some actually fly in the face of fascism such as protecting corporate power. No actual look at the politics of Fascism, such as Corporativismo, or even at the major cultural movements associated with it such as death worship. Using these vague associations, I could use the same list to show that Bush is a Maoist. Shameless reduction of political discourse in the name of mudslinging.
Trust me, I'll let you know as soon as fascism has returned to viable politics.
It gets F-

Out of the 14, I could find only five or six that were true to the US. I mean, c'mon, rampant sexism? Society in general has moved away from sexism, and the government may be moving even faster.


Hmmm.
1)Powerful consuming nationalism. Lots of that.
2)Disdain for human rights. I've heard lots of "That's not torture." and "We were justified." about Abu Ghraib. I'm not sure why cigarettes in the ear and sodomy with a phosphorescent stick aren't torture. Not to mention the way we treat average convicts, espescially those mentally ill.
3)Scapegoating enemies for unification. Of course, all muslims are fundie nuts. *sarcasm*
4)Supremacy of military. Some.
5)Sexism. No more than usual.
6)Controlled media. Lots of that, though not directly by the government.
7)Obssession with national security. Rampant.
8)Religion=patriotism. Yep.
9)Corporate power protected. Yep. Big time.
10)Labor suppressed. Union busting's a favorite sport.
11)Disdain for intellectuals. If I were a conservative, I'd be insulted about my party bitching about 'liberal intellectuals.' They act like intellectual is a bad word.
12)Obssession with crime and punishment. The drug war, mandatory minimums, three strikes laws and the death penalty are all unfairly biased against minorities, and that's the least of their problems.
13)Corporate corruption. Enron, Halliburton, Harken. Just for starters.
14)Fraudulent elections. At least one was probably.

Unfortunately those 14 a fascist government does not make.

http://www.bushflash.com/14.html
This just proves how Bush is NOT a fascist. Sure Bush meets most of these criteria, but on a MUCH smaller scale than Hitler and Co. Let's look at them one by one:

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism: Do you get executed if you denounce America publicly? No. Under Hitler you would.

2. Disdain for the recognitition of human rights: Abu Ghraib was disgusting, but have you seen the pure GENOCIDE that Hitler displayed?

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause: Has Bush declared a formal war on Islam, liberals, blacks, women, or communists? No. Hitler created a vision of "impure" races being completely wiped out.

4. Supremacy of the military: The US does spend too much on defense, but it's barely even 3% of the GDP. Hitler spent massive amounts on his military.

5. Rampant sexism: Not even close. I could be wrong, but isn't Bush's Secretary of State a black female?

6. Controlled mass media: Eric Blumrich wouldn't have been able to show that movie under Nazi Germany. While this is still worrisome, freedom of the press is still abundant. I don't know of any government owned newspapers.

7. Obsession with national security: Large amounts of attention but not obsession. We have to spend more attention to prevent another 9/11.

8. Religion and government are intertwined: More connected than in previous years, but not intertwined. Bush does not systematically eliminate religions, unlike our old friend Adolf.

9. Corporate power is protected: This is not a central tenet of fascism.

10. Labor power is suppressed: There's a difference between opposition and suppression. Labor unions have the same amount of power that they did 4 years ago.

11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts: This cheap shot to call Bush stupid does not stand. He doesn't fund many arts programs, but not because he hates them. He does it because he has other priorities.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment: Can you honestly compare today's police with the Gestapo?

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption: This one I'll give you.

14. Fraudulent elections: Nobody will ever know exactly how accurate the elections were in 2000 and 2004. Conspiracy theories orchestrated by desperate opposition are not enough. Did Hitler even HAVE elections?

14)Fraudulent elections. At least one was probably.
Probably, eh? That doesn't sound very convincing.

That's why 77 women served in the 108th Congress, right?
Right, 77 congressmen were women because of massive sexism :rolleyes:

This just proves how Bush is NOT a fascist. Sure Bush meets most of these criteria, but on a MUCH smaller scale than Hitler and Co. Let's look at them one by one:

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism: Do you get executed if you denounce America publicly? No. Under Hitler you would.

2. Disdain for the recognitition of human rights: Abu Ghraib was disgusting, but have you seen the pure GENOCIDE that Hitler displayed?

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause: Has Bush declared a formal war on Islam, liberals, blacks, women, or communists? No. Hitler created a vision of "impure" races being completely wiped out.

4. Supremacy of the military: The US does spend too much on defense, but it's barely even 3% of the GDP. Hitler spent massive amounts on his military.

5. Rampant sexism: Not even close. I could be wrong, but isn't Bush's Secretary of State a black female?

6. Controlled mass media: Eric Blumrich wouldn't have been able to show that movie under Nazi Germany. While this is still worrisome, freedom of the press is still abundant. I don't know of any government owned newspapers.

7. Obsession with national security: Large amounts of attention but not obsession. We have to spend more attention to prevent another 9/11.

8. Religion and government are intertwined: More connected than in previous years, but not intertwined. Bush does not systematically eliminate religions, unlike our old friend Adolf.

9. Corporate power is protected: This is not a central tenet of fascism.

10. Labor power is suppressed: There's a difference between opposition and suppression. Labor unions have the same amount of power that they did 4 years ago.

11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts: This cheap shot to call Bush stupid does not stand. He doesn't fund many arts programs, but not because he hates them. He does it because he has other priorities.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment: Can you honestly compare today's police with the Gestapo?

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption: This one I'll give you.

14. Fraudulent elections: Nobody will ever know exactly how accurate the elections were in 2000 and 2004. Conspiracy theories orchestrated by desperate opposition are not enough. Did Hitler even HAVE elections?


So we're okay because we're not as bad as Hitler? Isn't that along the same lines as damning with faint praise?

Right, 77 congressmen were women because of massive sexism :rolleyes:
77 congresswomen out of 535 congresspersons. Go figure.

So we're okay because we're not as bad as Hitler? Isn't that along the same lines as damning with faint praise?
We're not even NEARLY as bad as Hitler!!! It really hurts me that people compare Bush to Hitler. Half of my grandfather's family died in Poland by 1943--at the hands of REAL fascists. If you are going to tell me that Bush is a fascist, you have insulted the 40 million people Hitler killed. Hitler is fascism. Bush is annoying social conservatism. It is ignorance to call Bush fascist. As ignorant as it is to call John Kerry a communist.

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism: Do you get executed if you denounce America publicly? No. Under Hitler you would.
look up nationalism, nationalism does not equate to what you are talknig about, nationalism is a support for ones country, at this point america has almsot reached jingoism, look both of them up: www.dictionary.com


2. Disdain for the recognitition of human rights: Abu Ghraib was disgusting, but have you seen the pure GENOCIDE that Hitler displayed?
and we have an example for disregard of human rights AND rampant nationalism right there. because it isnt pure genocide it doesnt account to a disdain for recognizing human rights? im pretty sure muslims are humans and not everyone we have impirsoned is actually a known terrorist. and ive heard people say they deserve to die


3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause: Has Bush declared a formal war on Islam, liberals, blacks, women, or communists? No. Hitler created a vision of "impure" races being completely wiped out.
no, but he has encouraged his supporters to villify liberals and everyone else, and whats all this about "activist jduges"? aka people not supporting his policies.


4. Supremacy of the military: The US does spend too much on defense, but it's barely even 3% of the GDP. Hitler spent massive amounts on his military.
1) he was rebuilding a military
2) and we are trying to cut spending for other social programs to increase spending for the military


5. Rampant sexism: Not even close. I could be wrong, but isn't Bush's Secretary of State a balck female?
because he is a halfwit religious man, rice is not a person who should be in that position, bush is playing against teh democrats by appointing people they wont support but will eb attacked for not doing so because of hte platform

6. Controlled mass media: Eric Blumrich wouldn't have been able to show that movie under Nazi Germany. While this is still worrisome, freedom of the press is still abundant.
http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2003/102403.asp


7. Obsession with national security: Large amounts of attention but not obsession. We have to spend more attention to prevent another 9/11.
not obsession? "The whtie house has raised the terror alert level to orange in blah blah blah" obeession is LARGE AMOUNTS OF ATTENTION


8. Religion and government are intertwined: More connected than in previous years, but not intertwined. Bush does not systematically eliminate religions, unlike our old friend Adolf.
red herring


9. Corporate power is protected: This is not a central tenet of fascism.
how would you know? you are obviously a blind supporter of bush giving horrible contradictions to all points mostly based on straw men and red herrings


10. Labor power is suppressed: There's a difference between opposition and suppression. Labor unions have the same amount of power that they did 4 years ago.i dont look into that i dunno


11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts: This cheap shot to call Bush stupid does not stand. He doesn't fund many arts programs, but not because he hates them. He does it because he has other priorities.
Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, etc etc
its not jsut the man in charge that denotes a fascist regime, there is alot mroe to government than the headguy, Hitler was elected


12. Obsession with crime and punishment: Can you honestly compare today's police with the Gestapo?
http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id723.html



14. Fraudulent elections: Nobody will ever know exactly how accurate the elections were in 2000 and 2004. Conspiracy theories orchestrated by desperate opposition are not enough. Did Hitler even HAVE elections?
hitler was relatively elected democratically
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101404Z.shtml

you are obviously a blind supporter of bush
Wrong, wrong, wrong! I UNDYINGLY supported John Kerry. I was crushed by this election cycle. If there's ever one thing that will drive me from the Democratic Party, it is extremism. I hate extremism, whether it be liberal or conservative. Extremism makes me do something I hate to do: defend Bush. America needs some big changes, but our leader is not a fascist. I have the confidence to walk around on the street and not be executed for what I say about the government. It sickens me how much people take their democratic freedoms for granted. I am a lifelong Democrat who would NEVER vote for Bush.

Half of my grandfather's family died in Poland by 1943--at the hands of REAL fascists.
Actually, those weren't real fascists either.
Hitler is fascism.
No he's not. He's Naziism.

Hitler is fascism.
Bit tricky, that. Mussolini was fascist and he didn't care if you were a Jew or a Catholic or whatever, as long as you loved Italy.

Franco of Spain, too, was fascist. Heck, he came into power with the aid of Hitler's Germany. And when WW2 broke out, he remained neutral because he didn't agree with Hitler. Did that make him any less of a fascist?

To say that Hitler = Fascism is... not entirely correct. Hitler = National Socialism, sure, but National Socialism is a kind of fascism.

This just proves how Bush is NOT a fascist. Sure Bush meets most of these criteria, but on a MUCH smaller scale than Hitler and Co. Let's look at them one by one:

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism: Do you get executed if you denounce America publicly? No. Under Hitler you would.

2. Disdain for the recognitition of human rights: Abu Ghraib was disgusting, but have you seen the pure GENOCIDE that Hitler displayed?

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause: Has Bush declared a formal war on Islam, liberals, blacks, women, or communists? No. Hitler created a vision of "impure" races being completely wiped out.

4. Supremacy of the military: The US does spend too much on defense, but it's barely even 3% of the GDP. Hitler spent massive amounts on his military.

5. Rampant sexism: Not even close. I could be wrong, but isn't Bush's Secretary of State a black female?

6. Controlled mass media: Eric Blumrich wouldn't have been able to show that movie under Nazi Germany. While this is still worrisome, freedom of the press is still abundant. I don't know of any government owned newspapers.

7. Obsession with national security: Large amounts of attention but not obsession. We have to spend more attention to prevent another 9/11.

8. Religion and government are intertwined: More connected than in previous years, but not intertwined. Bush does not systematically eliminate religions, unlike our old friend Adolf.

9. Corporate power is protected: This is not a central tenet of fascism.

10. Labor power is suppressed: There's a difference between opposition and suppression. Labor unions have the same amount of power that they did 4 years ago.

11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts: This cheap shot to call Bush stupid does not stand. He doesn't fund many arts programs, but not because he hates them. He does it because he has other priorities.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment: Can you honestly compare today's police with the Gestapo?

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption: This one I'll give you.

14. Fraudulent elections: Nobody will ever know exactly how accurate the elections were in 2000 and 2004. Conspiracy theories orchestrated by desperate opposition are not enough. Did Hitler even HAVE elections?


Not all Facism is Nazi Germany Facism, just like not all Socialism is USSR Socialism.

Thats ridiculous. According to that I'm nearly a facist as well. Stupid flash.

Thats ridiculous. According to that I'm nearly a facist as well. Stupid flash.

Yeah, well, have you read any of your posts lately? You know, banning certain kinds of television programs, banning certain kinds of sex, and if I recall correctly, pimping religion whenever possible.

This thing isn't far off the mark.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! I UNDYINGLY supported John Kerry. I was crushed by this election cycle. If there's ever one thing that will drive me from the Democratic Party, it is extremism. I hate extremism, whether it be liberal or conservative. Extremism makes me do something I hate to do: defend Bush. America needs some big changes, but our leader is not a fascist. I have the confidence to walk around on the street and not be executed for what I say about the government. It sickens me how much people take their democratic freedoms for granted. I am a lifelong Democrat who would NEVER vote for Bush.

Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not too fond of republicans myself(although I don't even live in the US).
The Bush administration(and America) has some heavy issues but to say its fascist is taking it a step too far.
Maybe someone should take a look on why half the world hates america, I belive a (huge)change in foreign policies would render terrorist threats almost nonexistent.
Now don't flame me, I think the USA is great in many ways but I also think there's quite a few really sick things going on.
Let's just hope for a more sensible president next election, in the meantime, cope.

Seen it before on several occasions on just a normal website. Intriguing, not quite sure if they are accurate or entirely true though. While I do think that the US is leaning towards fascism, it isn't a fascism, it still maintains some of its democratic rights.

As for Sexism, the US had not signed a UN charter thingime for Women's or in fact Children's rights.

Alomogordo, Hitler was elected, just like Bush. So in relation to Nazi Germany, a fascism can come directly from a democracy.

This just proves how Bush is NOT a fascist. Sure Bush meets most of these criteria, but on a MUCH smaller scale than Hitler and Co. Let's look at them one by one:

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism: Do you get executed if you denounce America publicly? No. Under Hitler you would.

2. Disdain for the recognitition of human rights: Abu Ghraib was disgusting, but have you seen the pure GENOCIDE that Hitler displayed?

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause: Has Bush declared a formal war on Islam, liberals, blacks, women, or communists? No. Hitler created a vision of "impure" races being completely wiped out.

4. Supremacy of the military: The US does spend too much on defense, but it's barely even 3% of the GDP. Hitler spent massive amounts on his military.

5. Rampant sexism: Not even close. I could be wrong, but isn't Bush's Secretary of State a black female?

6. Controlled mass media: Eric Blumrich wouldn't have been able to show that movie under Nazi Germany. While this is still worrisome, freedom of the press is still abundant. I don't know of any government owned newspapers.

7. Obsession with national security: Large amounts of attention but not obsession. We have to spend more attention to prevent another 9/11.

8. Religion and government are intertwined: More connected than in previous years, but not intertwined. Bush does not systematically eliminate religions, unlike our old friend Adolf.

9. Corporate power is protected: This is not a central tenet of fascism.

10. Labor power is suppressed: There's a difference between opposition and suppression. Labor unions have the same amount of power that they did 4 years ago.

11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts: This cheap shot to call Bush stupid does not stand. He doesn't fund many arts programs, but not because he hates them. He does it because he has other priorities.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment: Can you honestly compare today's police with the Gestapo?

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption: This one I'll give you.

14. Fraudulent elections: Nobody will ever know exactly how accurate the elections were in 2000 and 2004. Conspiracy theories orchestrated by desperate opposition are not enough. Did Hitler even HAVE elections?



1. No, but you get sent to Guantanamo Bay for life. And under the Patriot Act and some old "Terror combating" acts of 1996-1997 courtesy of Clinton, you can be executed in secret. So we may never know if people just disappear what really happens with them.

2. All the atrocities perpetrated againt the American people by the government (Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, 911)

3. The current regime goes after the politically correct enemy (White Christian males) whether or not Bush claims to be for them, he can claim it until he turns blue in the face, his actions and policies speak louder than his words. And his actions and policies (amnesty for massive illegal immigration, etc) are dping nothing more than displacing native white Americans.

4. FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) has a secret budget (in the tens possibly hundreds of billions) and they admit 93% is for classified quasi military operations, while they admit only 7% is for disaster relief.

5. Wow, so he's given one token position to her, it's just to keep the blacks and feminists quiet. And really, Colin Powell was not qualified for Secretary of State, he was qualified for Secretary of Defense. Rice was also not put into a position she was qualified for. Bush is about giving the right people the wrong jobs. I don't have a problem with the idea of a black in the cabinet, but let's make sure he's actually in the right spot (I personally would have but Powell in as Secretary of Defense)

6. The media just makes it appear there is real opposition to the president, nobody really ever gets anything done. It's just a 1984 style distraction, rally people of Ocenia, and fight your enemies in East Asia, wait no, EurAsia!

7. They told us they'd make us safe after Oklahoma City, but their attacks there didn't get us to give up enough rights. As long as we allow them to get our rights for promises of safety (False promises) we won't be safe. They've got a great racket going, the more they attack us, the more rights we give up, the more power the gov't gets. So the gov't has no motive to make us safe, their goal is power.



I'd answer more, but I really have to go, I need to write an essay for a class. I'll probably answer the other 7 points later.

2. All the atrocities perpetrated againt the American people by the government (Waco, Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, 911)

I refuse to debate anybody as oblivious to the facts as yourself. Oklahoma City?! Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? There is no evidence (other than anarchist blogsites) that would show that the government was responsible for either.

Thats ridiculous. According to that I'm nearly a facist as well. Stupid flash.
Problem is, I think you're close to fascism, too. Not quite there, but you're definitely more extreme than Bush.

Same here.
Let's see how much further down the road of Fascism Bush can take the US in his next 4 wars... I mean years.
*thundrous applause*

This movie makes some very interesting, and valid points. Possibly a little scewed. But I support it in its scewdness.

Scary yes, but fascist regimes typically have not had two-term presidential restrictions.
But in a time of "national crisis" elections could be suspended for various reasons. And Bush seems to be good at fabricating those. Not saying he will. Just saying this is a very scary time for some of us, who belive in liberty.

Even if Jeb did run in the next election, it would be the same as Gore running after Clinton's two terms.
And gore won. What's your point? That JEb would win.... I hope not.

As it turns out, most of the scientific and educational community is liberal.

wanna know why? because smart people can see through the propaganda.
Actually, I'd put that more towards them believing senseless propaganda than vice versa.

wow, i am saddened that people are honestly equating our nation with fascism/nazis. i don't know how any intellectually honest person could do this. people have more rights, freedoms, and opportunities in this country than anywhere else. people are immigrating (many risking their lives and/or personal fortunes) to america not emmigrating out of here.

no respect for other cultures?? give me a break, look at our tsunami effort, the amount of $$ we give to africa, etc.

I refuse to debate anybody as oblivious to the facts as yourself. Oklahoma City?! Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? There is no evidence (other than anarchist blogsites) that would show that the government was responsible for either.


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm


This report on the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was prepared by Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Ret.) and dated July 30, 1995.

The report was submitted to the U.S. Congress and is a matter of the Congressional Record.


Thirty one years active duty in the Air Force. Progressively responsible executive, scientific and technical assignments directing organizations engaged in research, development, testing, analysis, requirements generation and acquisition management of weapons systems. Assignments from laboratory to the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

I refuse to debate anybody as oblivious to the facts as yourself. Oklahoma City?! Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? There is no evidence (other than anarchist blogsites) that would show that the government was responsible for either.




http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382996

As it turns out, most of the scientific and educational community is liberal.

wanna know why? because smart people can see through the propaganda.

No. They're just smarter. And there's propaganda on both sides, I'm sure. Or perhaps just the stupider people are too stupid and think that propaganda is actualy an argument, when really it's just too stupid to be called a legitemate discussion piece.

Thats ridiculous. According to that I'm nearly a facist as well. Stupid flash.
hail my national socialist brother, welcome to the club. the fridge is full of beer and please remember to take your jackboots off at the door to prevent tracking mud or blood and little bits of teeth all over the carpet.

hail my national socialist brother, welcome to the club. the fridge is full of beer and please remember to take your jackboots off at the door to prevent tracking mud or blood and little bits of teeth all over the carpet.
Isn't socialism antithetical to fascism? :confused:

Isn't socialism antithetical to fascism? :confused:
Which is why I always wondered about the Nazi's choice of names for their movement.

Which is why I always wondered about the Nazi's choice of names for their movement.

you look at the economic policies of the nazis and the italian fascists it was often to the left of present day social democrats. it tended to create labor peace through both iron fisted crack downs on independent and communist leaning labor unions and strikes, and welfare state style worker's benefits and state control over prices and overall production goals..