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I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.
Ooh!
I'm crazy and lefty!
:)

You would think like that, living in Georgia.

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I'm crazy? You only just noticed?

Maybe it's the crazies in San Francisco who support Bush. :D

haha, quite possibly true, but also a brilliant manipulation of stats. Somehow doubt that a minimum of 30% of san franciso is crazy (the percentage above the average vote for kerry).

I would imagine most democrats would have low mental health scores after the 2004 Presidential election. I mean, it hurts my head to believe we re-elected the worst president of all time. Plus I would imagine some mental health scores from heavy Bush supported areas would come back not available, due to lack of intelligence. Can't really take a test when you can't think. So I would guess it would be better to be crazy than stupid.

Maybe it's the crazies in San Francisco who support Bush. :D

Which would explain why all the normal people would want to vote Kerry! :)

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I realize that subtleties may escape you, but sometimes things are just supposed be humorous. I think it was pretty clever correlation on my part, but mainly it was attempt at some levity.

Maybe it's the crazies in San Francisco who support Bush. :D
I admit I only read the press release. I wasn't looking for a serious discussion. I just thought the two statistics were coincidental.

I realize that subtleties may escape you, but sometimes things are just supposed be humorous. I think it was pretty clever correlation on my part, but mainly it was attempt at some levity.

Even if a thread is intended to be humourous, it can still count as flamebait. If I were to make a humourous thread about how dumb Bush supporters are, it would still be classed as flamebait.

Maybe their mental health is low because they did drugs shortly before election day, and now they're off their high, I mean it is SF after all... :) (just j/k mind you)

The thing is, as "crazy" as these people may be, they're not quite as crazy as the ostensibly sane people who voted for gwbush and his cronies.

Even if a thread is intended to be humourous, it can still count as flamebait. If I were to make a humourous thread about how dumb Bush supporters are, it would still be classed as flamebait.
Most of us have thicker skins. After all, there are comedians out there that base their entire act on how "dumb" Bush is. We laugh at them, of course. Admittedly, we use the superior sounding French-through-your-nose kind of laugh.

Most of us have thicker skins. After all, there are comedians out there that base their entire act on how "dumb" Bush is. We laugh at them, of course. Admittedly, we use the superior sounding French-through-your-nose kind of laugh.

Yeah, but they're not particularly funny either. And the point is that if such a comedian posted his act on NS, it would probably be classed as flamebait.

Well I thought it was amusing

Yeah, but they're not particularly funny either. And the point is that if such a comedian posted his act on NS, it would probably be classed as flamebait.
Then I guess I am indebted to you for pointing out the error in my ways.

Then I guess I am indebted to you for pointing out the error in my ways.

Sorry if I was a little over the top about it. I guess I just don't like political humour much...

I would suggest you read that article a bit closer.
1) "Alameda and San Francisco counties were among those that scored lower than expected." Note the "than expected". I doubt that they used the same targets for each county, and hence it is still possible that overall, they were less crazy than Bush counties.
2) "County by county comparisons are always difficult because California is a large and very diverse state -- geographically, economically and culturally. Even within counties there are significant amounts of diversity." So, in fact, it's not the State that's crazy. It's specific individuals. Who, last time I checked, only got one vote, the same as anyone else. Assuming they haven't been committed yet.

Both of these suggest that the results aren't as "comprehensive" as you think.

I would suggest you read that article a bit closer.
1) "Alameda and San Francisco counties were among those that scored lower than expected." Note the "than expected". I doubt that they used the same targets for each county, and hence it is still possible that overall, they were less crazy than Bush counties.
I think that just makes the whole thing funnier.

I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.

Probobly because the few legal mexicans voted for Kerry.

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg

any questions?

I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.

left????

The Democrats are hardly left, left of Republicans maybe but right of what could be called center of politics. But then again, American polictics are just nuts.

The 2 parties should be called Right and Even-More-Right

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg

any questions?

I'll correct that for you:

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg

The thing is, as "crazy" as these people may be, they're not quite as crazy as the ostensibly sane people who voted for gwbush and his cronies.


As opposed to voting for John Kerry and his cronies?

I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.

Funny you should talk about that given how the supposedly sane half of America voted for a man who used to run Texas, with the worst mental health care system of all 50 states and also the homes of Larry Gene Ashbrook and Andrea Yates.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.

Wasn't I enough proof of that to begin with.

Isn't it cute knowing that a Bush-supporter would give us a (this is sarcasm, by the way, but I'm really not sure you would catch on, you support Bush after all) statistic that's clearly only objective is to look down upon Kerry? Can it be trusted? Might I add...

http://www.kurzweilai.net/mindx/frame.html?main=/mindx/show_thread.php?rootID%3D28758

Well, will you look at this? This must obviously be just as true and accurate as your statistic, because everything on the internet and in the media is perfectly true, right? :rolleyes: ...

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg

any questions?

Yeah. HOw did utah get such a high IQ score. Must be my boost to the states IQ. *shrugs*

This sounds even more ridiculous than that table of average red/blue state intelligence scores, thus "proving" that Bush voters were stupid.

Firstly, not everyone who opposes Bush is left wing.

Remember, Bush supporters are the ones who think that gay people are going to bring about the downfall of civilisation, and rank liberals alongside terrorists. Guess who is crazy!

I'll correct that for you:

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg

There sure were a lot of smart people overthinking that whole election, weren't there?

You would think like that, living in Georgia.


awesome stereotype

You would think like that, living in Georgia.
Do I detect some jealousy? Wow I didn't realize how many closet Southerners we had out there.

I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.
fun fact:

intelligence and "mental health scores" of that nature are negatively correlated, as are education and such scores. that is to say, the smarter a person is, and/or the more educated they are, the lower their mental health score will be. the phrase "ignorance is bliss" has strong grounding in fact.

so the crazies vote Kerry, the stupids vote Bush. now that we are done tossing pointless insults about an election that is over, can we all get on with our lives? pretty please? if not for your own sakes, please spare a thought for those of us who though Bush and Kerry were both the dregs of American politics...we lost the election way back in the Democratic primaries, so we have been listening to this irrelevant crap that much longer.

fun fact:

intelligence and "mental health scores" of that nature are negatively correlated, as are education and such scores. that is to say, the smarter a person is, and/or the more educated they are, the lower their mental health score will be. the phrase "ignorance is bliss" has strong grounding in fact.

so the crazies vote Kerry, the stupids vote Bush. now that we are done tossing pointless insults about an election that is over, can we all get on with our lives? pretty please? if not for your own sakes, please spare a thought for those of us who though Bush and Kerry were both the dregs of American politics...we lost the election way back in the Democratic primaries, so we have been listening to this irrelevant crap that much longer.

If there is one thing I would like to change about Presidential politics, it would be the primaries. I'd rather see a return to backroom deals and nominations on the convention floor that what we have to endure now.

The general election is decided by electors, why not have the state primaries decided by something other than popular vote?

Maybe it's the crazies in San Francisco who support Bush. :D
You would have to be crazy to vote for Bush in San Fran, becuase the bigots on the left will find you and label you a racist and when you die, as with every conservative, they will say you were in the closet.

Funny you should talk about that given how the supposedly sane half of America voted for a man who used to run Texas, with the worst mental health care system of all 50 states and also the homes of Larry Gene Ashbrook and Andrea Yates.

Loved that!
On the more serious side, is it possible that the rather limited results were skewed towards those who actually got help for their problems. After all, some of the craziest people never see a mental health professional.

Maybe theres some truth to this thread... I mean, mental health also refers to depression right? If i were a democrat in America, I'd pe pretty damned depressed.

I'm left.

On some days, I think I'm crazy.

Then, I open that video file I have saved of the first Bush-Kerry debate in October.

And I go:

"Well, better crazy than dumb..."

;)

Bashing Liberals is stupid and wrong. Bashing conservatives is fun. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, What a blast! :rolleyes:
[/sarcastic onesidedness]

As opposed to voting for John Kerry and his cronies?EXACTLY!!!...see how quickly you caught on?

I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.

Let's say the 17% of Alameda is crazy and 25% of SanFrancisco is crazy. That would be VERY high numbers indeed. AND it would explain where Bush got his votes.

Maybe the crazies vote for bush because the belive the crazy things that people like Dan Rather said about him??-Shai Hulud II

Well I thought it was funny.

Well, this is a nice progressive thread, using questionable statistics to decide if a broad idealogy is crazy or not.

Don't regard any of the numerous factors should this research even be true, be childish and take all the cheap shots you possibly can at people who are different than you.

Don't address their beliefs that are so contradict yours.

Just call them crazy and be on your way.

I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.

I resent that! I'm not a lefty, and I'm crazier than a bowl of Fruit Loops in a tornado. :)

People only enjoy life in times of insanity so this is true. Insane people voted for Kerry because they wanted to have a HAPPY life!!! Insanity is a gift but a privlage. (Only the deserving get it like me)! :p

I didn't need a study to know this. Just talk to some of these people and you'll see it's obvious

Let's say the 17% of Alameda is crazy and 25% of SanFrancisco is crazy. That would be VERY high numbers indeed. AND it would explain where Bush got his votes.

You know, it never occurred to me to look at it that way:)

Linking IQ to who people vote for is not a good idea, the facts can be manipulated on many levels. For example, the people most likely to vote democrat are high school dropouts and PhDs. People who graduated high school to a Masters degree are likely to vote Republican. The real problem with people who vote for Kerry and his ilk is not a lack of intelligence (although that would help). Rather, it is a lack of touch with reality and a failure to look at the world view. They cant seem to quite grasp certain realities in this world. It is really quite a shame.

I would imagine most democrats would have low mental health scores after the 2004 Presidential election. I mean, it hurts my head to believe we re-elected the worst president of all time. Plus I would imagine some mental health scores from heavy Bush supported areas would come back not available, due to lack of intelligence. Can't really take a test when you can't think. So I would guess it would be better to be crazy than stupid.
Tell me how is he the worst president of all time… because we are at war? What are you stupid or just a hippie; do you even know why we are at war? I guess you’re right I mean he only did just liberate a poor country from a sadistic monster dictator; man that’s horrible what was he thinking about, saving all those people….god he should go to hell…
God I hate left wing hippies.
Semper Fi mac

Right about now is a good time to recap what's happened in this thread. I didn't count all the entries in all the categories, but there were some interesting things going on.

First, a few people saw right through me and realized this was supposed to be satire, humor, or something other than a critical essay on mental health and voting patterns.

Second, there were a lot of posts accusing me of fanning the flames, so to speak. I don't try to do that, but gee whiz, get a thicker skin!

Last, there were a few people that really thought I was doing the essay mentioned in the second paragraph. And they wanted to do rebuttals. I really appreciated the IQ chart and the references to how low we Georgians score. Now, I know that I should really strive to live in an intelligent liberal state. This really was a spur of the moment thing. I read the article and wondered how heavily those counties went for Crazy Kerry.

Is there a tongue-in-cheek emoticon to help out all those serious types tell the difference between silliness and serious stuff?

I'll correct that for you:

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg
Hey, does the fact that people keep posting this long after it has been repeatedly debunked say something about their IQ?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

Hey, does the fact that people keep posting this long after it has been repeatedly debunked say something about their IQ?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp
That they ought to live in one of the red states?

That they ought to live in one of the red states?
Do you really want them as a neighbor?

Do you really want them as a neighbor?
Heck, I'll take anyone as a neighbor. Just as long as they keep their beer bottles in their yard and invite me over once in a while to drink a few.

Hey, they might be crazy, but that's better than stupid.

Check out this informative and accurate chart:

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg

You would think like that, living in Georgia.

I was JUST about to say that!

yeah what is this shithead talking about. Maybe they are crazy, but they arent, beer drinking, NASCAR watching stupid fatheads from Georgia.

Hey, they might be crazy, but that's better than stupid.

Check out this informative and accurate chart:

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg

Oh crap!!!!! Mississippi, has an avg. IQ of 85! Georgia 92!

this guy must be a compete dumbass, esp. since he supports a president who said "you forgot Poland"

Are you people retarded? Seriously, all you're doing is sterotyping and name calling each other.

Hey, they might be crazy, but that's better than stupid.

Check out this informative and accurate chart:

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg
Gee, I wish I had seen that chart before. I wouldn't have felt like such an idiot. Not!

I read an article the other day that referred to this press release (http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/01/19_camental.shtml) . I thought it was interesting that the two counties, Alameda and San Francisco, that were pointed out as having the lowest "mental health scores" also had very support of John Kerry in the recent Presidential election. Alameda had 83% of it's vote go to Kerry, while San Francisco had 75% of it's vote go down the drain.

So what's my conclusion? The left is crazy, of course.
Wait, only 75% of San Francisco voted for Kerry? Wow, whoever voted for Bush in San Francisco must be brave. That's like opposing Saddam when he was in power...You get shot, real quick.

Wait, only 75% of San Francisco voted for Kerry? Wow, whoever voted for Bush in San Francisco must be brave. That's like opposing Saddam when he was in power...You get shot, real quick.

lol :p wanna see that!

Wait, only 75% of San Francisco voted for Kerry? Wow, whoever voted for Bush in San Francisco must be brave. That's like opposing Saddam when he was in power...You get shot, real quick.
I think there are actually some successful folks in the county. Not necessarlily SF city, but out in the country.

That chart has been discredited, as has the one saying that George W. had a subnormal IQ (that one should have been obvious, three genius-level presidents? Yeah right...)
Smart people being crazy? Maybe. My IQ is about 130, I'd consider myself fairly damn smart. Online mental health tests indicate that I'm an early stage alcoholic, borderline obsessive-compulsive and may have an anxiety disorder... Seems to indicate to me that the guy who said that smart people have worse mental health might have a point...

Hey, they might be crazy, but that's better than stupid.

Check out this informative and accurate chart:

http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg
I take you live in Mississippi.

That chart has been discredited....
My IQ is about 130, I'd consider myself fairly damn smart. Online mental health tests indicate that I'm an early stage alcoholic, borderline obsessive-compulsive and may have an anxiety disorder...care to share your source...with a Link

I take you live in Mississippi.

Where are you taking me?

Are you people retarded?

Legally, and according to certain charts (see, e.g., http://www.bushflash.com/jpg/or_01.jpg), only those of us south of the Mason-Dixon are retarded. But apparently the rest might be crazy.

care to share your source...with a Link
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=391998&page=1&pp=15

This chart shows up every few days when some leftist tries to slander someone.

You would think like that, living in Georgia.
*glare* Don't start with that. I live in Georgia, and I'm a damn liberal. :p

Yet another pointless thread . . .

Are you people retarded? Seriously, all you're doing is sterotyping and name calling each other.
You see, that right there is exactly the problem. Everybody comes up with some reason or other.
By the way, care to reread that post?
;)