NationStates Jolt Archive

Hey, as a british citizen (though iraqi), we're hearing alot of the pictures of serious abuse of PoW by british soldiers. Have you guys in the states heard much of it?

Hey, as a british citizen (though iraqi), we're hearing alot of the pictures of serious abuse of PoW by british soldiers. Have you guys in the states heard much of it?

I've heard a couple of quick mentions, but no real details. We're pretty busy here in the US cleaning out some of our misfits. What are you hearing?

Haven't heard the British had a "Abu-Ghraib scandal". Only us American's Abu-Ghraib" is what I have heard of.

Haven't heard the British had a "Abu-Ghraib scandal". Only us American's Abu-Ghraib" is what I have heard of.

Apparantly "operation ali baba", check it out on BBC

Blair will score major popularity points. Now that Iraq is back on the front pages.

I've heard of it, not much though.

I dont know that britain has the same official policy of systematic prisoner torture that the US does, so it may not be as relevent or widespread as the american torture crimes.

I dont know that britain has the same official policy of systematic prisoner torture that the US does, so it may not be as relevent or widespread as the american torture crimes.
It's actually not systematic, or planned. Just some people going beserk.

I heard it was Abu-like but in the British case the soldiers were really 'bad eggs' whereas the American version the torture seems to be linked to gov't policy.

However, that's about all the commentary I've heard about it so I really don't know any deeper details.

It's actually not systematic, or planned. Just some people going beserk.

I'm not talking about the stuff they published photos of that happened at abu ghraib.

I'm not talking about the stuff they published photos of that happened at abu ghraib.
Where else is it occuring, because after all, the Red Cross said "no comment" as to whether there was torture at Guantanamo Bay or not, and if there was torture, I'm sure they'd say something.

I heard it was Abu-like but in the British case the soldiers were really 'bad eggs' whereas the American version the torture seems to be linked to gov't policy.
They aren't realy bright either. Taking pictures of it. Pffft...haven't they learned anything from Abu Graib?

Where else is it occuring, because after all, the Red Cross said "no comment" as to whether there was torture at Guantanamo Bay or not, and if there was torture, I'm sure they'd say something.



Who can say how many prisons the US operates in iraq and afghanistan and elsewhere.

Public documents including the gonzales torture memo specifically authorise torture of prisoners.

Who can say how many prisons the US operates in iraq and afghanistan and elsewhere.

Public documents including the gonzales torture memo specifically authorise torture of prisoners.
I want evidence first. And the Gonzales memo is very much up to interpretation.

And anyways, the memo has been made null-and-void. The DOJ has put forth a new document, which states that torture is not acceptable in any forms.

Apparantly "operation ali baba", check it out on BBC
Yer I saw it on the news (in aus), about the british troops involved in finding looters in the early stages of the war and about the pictures of them terribly violating pow's and civilian prisoners. Some british officer said that it was hard for the troops to get used to peacekeeper after months of warfare but I can't see how that goes to torture (weird :eek: ). But Blair said he thought that the pictures were horrible and all and said quote "It is not that in a democracy bad things don't happen, it in a democracy when they do something is done about it" - good speech i thought, at least he's actually accepting it's happened and trying to get rid of the guilty involved. I can respect that certainly.

It doesn't appear to be as systematic as it appears to be with Abu-Ghraib. The soldiers were given an order by a Major to 'work looters hard'. The court has cleared the major though so they must be putting the blame on the soldiers overzealously interpreting the order. I'll go and find the latest on it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4187789.stm - The story of the 'work them hard' order

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4193751.stm - pretty much the same as the link above

Weird I can't find anything more recent, I'm beggining to think I imagined the thing about the major being cleared.

I have. It is disgraceful how the media has thrown this out of proportion. Leave the Fulsiliers alone.

Now, I just want a little questtion to be answered. When something happens, why look to the US population for their opinion? Asking our government is fine, as they weild a considerable influence in the world, but why the people themselves? I'm just wondering.