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I got a larf from this article. Read the comments below it as well.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000769.html

Heh heh, those wacky conservative hippies...

Heh heh, those wacky conservative hippies...


I say send those Conservative hippies off to Iraq!

I got a larf from this article. Read the comments below it as well.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000769.html

Um ... the comments section reminds me of THIS forum! Heh!

So, you approve of very large groups (100+ according to the link) beating the hell out of significantly smaller groups (13) when the smaller group happens to be expresssing opinions the larger group disagrees with. And you are proud enough of your belife in this to post it in public? Welcome to Facism 101.

Oh, and if you are laughing at that article, I call complete and utter bullshit on this: Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

Personally, I don't approve of beating people up. However, the Protest Warrior's aim is to provoke people to insults or violence.


The Protest Warriors' agenda is to infiltrate and provoke leftist groups or "hippies" as the events are caught on film. One of their founders, Kfir Alfia, clarified in an interview on Air America Radio recently that they mainly use sarcasm to provoke groups at public gatherings.

Supporters of the Protest Warriors attempt to point out a non-existent irony in getting what they consider "peace activists" to resort to insults or violence.

If I heard that a group of leftists had hunted down and beaten the crap out of innocent conservatives, I would be appalled. However, if these people go to such a demonstration and deliberately provoke people, I have no sympathy for them.

Protest warrior's first mistake is that they assume a nebulous pacifist left in opposition to the Iraq war.

No way, there are a lot of ex military who don't support that war that would be more than happy to kick the shit out of a pampered panty wasted upper middle glass goober who will never see the inside of a uniform. Especially if they want to scream in his face, and call him "Anti American".

Word of advice to all you righties on the forum, watch what you say if your going to counter protest. The guy you're yelling insults at may have killed more people than you've had hot dinners. If a Veteran has a steel plate in his head or was section eighted after combat, he probably would go into a VA psych ward rather than face trial for snapping your neck like a twig.

Their aim is to provoke? As an actual Protest Warrior i can tell you that comment is nonsense.

Our aim is to show that the left do not have a hold on protesting, that they are not always right, and to show they are not "pacifists".

They had a legitimate right to be there, they had permits and their own area. Those leftist idiots crashed our protest if anything. We do not crash their protests, we just make our own near theirs.

I don't even know where you're getting this stupidity from.

I wait for the day, when those idiots like ANSWER and ACLU see their hypocrisy and Conservatives take to the street, not for protesting, but to show. "Hey, President Bush (and any successor those leftists might hate, and don't deserve it) your doing a great job and we're doing a parade in your honor."

I can't think of much else to say, other then, anyone who thought they deserved it, should be extremly ashamed of themselves

Protest warrior's first mistake is that they assume a nebulous pacifist left in opposition to the Iraq war.

No way, there are a lot of ex military who don't support that war that would be more than happy to kick the shit out of a pampered panty wasted upper middle glass goober who will never see the inside of a uniform. Especially if they want to scream in his face, and call him "Anti American".

Dude I got news for you. Having actually met quite a few ProtestWarriors... they tend to be ex-military or have military in the family. And guys in the military generally *really like* meeting them. http://www.indepundit.com/archive2/2004/11/a_little_bit_nu_1.html

"kicking the shit out" is a poor means of persuasion, but if it came to that I am quite sure they can take care of themselves.

Their aim is to provoke? As an actual Protest Warrior i can tell you that comment is nonsense.

hell yeah, our purpose is to provoke DEBATE, not violence

why should protests be endemic to the left?

hell yeah, our purpose is to provoke DEBATE, not violence

why should protests be endemic to the left?

I apologise if I was incorrect about the Protest Warriors. The impression I got from the article was that their aim is just to provoke people.

However, I still doubt that a mass protest is the best place to attempt to provoke debate. I've been on a couple of minor protests before and a lot of people tend to get overexcited. Mob mentality and all that.

Dude I got news for you. Having actually met quite a few ProtestWarriors... they tend to be ex-military or have military in the family. And guys in the military generally *really like* meeting them. http://www.indepundit.com/archive2/2004/11/a_little_bit_nu_1.html

"kicking the shit out" is a poor means of persuasion, but if it came to that I am quite sure they can take care of themselves.

Dude I've got news for you, a lot of Iraq war protesters are ex military or have military in the family. This is not an either/or issue. If Protest Warrior minds its manners things will be cool. If they step over the line they shouldn't expect to get flowers tossed at them.

To a lot of people this war is not a policy issue, but rather an issue of life or death to a family member. That's as close to the bone as you can cut on both sides. The last thing this country needs are morons throwing gasoline on the fires of protest, and they shouldn't bitch if they get burned.

I apologise if I was incorrect about the Protest Warriors. The impression I got from the article was that their aim is just to provoke people.

However, I still doubt that a mass protest is the best place to attempt to provoke debate. I've been on a couple of minor protests before and a lot of people tend to get overexcited. Mob mentality and all that.

its alright, but that of course is the whole reason we're there

why should you turn on the 10 o clock news and see a field of only liberals unopposed?

why should the world read headlines about thousands of demicrats chanting their aggenda and being met without rebuttle?

Dude I've got news for you, a lot of Iraq war protesters are ex military or have military in the family. This is not an either/or issue.

granted, but still ratio for veterans who support the war to those who are oppoed = ridiculous

Dude I've got news for you, a lot of Iraq war protesters are ex military or have military in the family.

Could be, but I've yet to meet one.

The last thing this country needs are morons throwing gasoline on the fires of protest, and they shouldn't bitch if they get burned.

Everyone has the same right to protest. The ProtestWarriors are amazingly civil and well-behaved, but many of the antiwar protesters go completely ballistic in a very scary way, and sometimes resort to physical violence when confronted with a disagreeing opinion.

its alright, but that of course is the whole reason we're there

why should you turn on the 10 o clock news and see a field of only liberals unopposed?

why should the world read headlines about thousands of demicrats chanting their aggenda and being met without rebuttle?

Well, a lot of people would argue that conservative views are better represented by the administration and the media (although the media is a bit of a contentious issue). So, they don't feel the need to protest as much.

If the next administration took a pacifist approach and made big cuts to the military, there may well be mass conservative demonstrations.

Ha, ha! The prostest warriors are funny, I always see more and more of them. They are a breif diversion from the endless chants of Hey hey, ho ho, George Bush has got to go! Protests have gotten dull lately, now that "black block" throw a brick through a McDonald's window direct action tactics has been so stygmatized nobody does it anymore.

Did the Protest Warriors actually get beat up? I find it hard to believe a bunch of hippy protesters could kick anybody's ass.

Ha, ha! The prostest warriors are funny, I always see more and more of them. They are a breif diversion from the endless chants of Hey hey, ho ho, George Bush has got to go! Protests have gotten dull lately, now that "black block" throw a brick through a McDonald's window direct action tactics has been so stygmatized nobody does it anymore.

Did the Protest Warriors actually get beat up? I find it hard to believe a bunch of hippy protesters could kick anybody's ass.

it was by some people with the black bloc. there was apparently an escalating exchange started by somebody telling their ringleader to 'get the fuck out of here, fascist'.

http://www.stratecomm.net/~fritz/gallery/albums/j20/012005yy_a.jpg

it was by some people with the black bloc. there was apparently an escalating exchange started by somebody telling their ringleader to 'get the fuck out of here, fascist'.

http://www.stratecomm.net/~fritz/gallery/albums/j20/012005yy_a.jpg

Ha, ha, good old Black Block, they always know how to turn any boring protest into an "unfortunate incident". I didn't go to the inauguration this year, but in 2001, I went and got a good wacking from a billy club, because I was with a friend filming the black block causing havoc and a million cops came out of nowhere and laid down the law.

I wait for the day, when those idiots like ANSWER and ACLU see their hypocrisy and Conservatives take to the street, not for protesting, but to show. "Hey, President Bush (and any successor those leftists might hate, and don't deserve it) your doing a great job and we're doing a parade in your honor."

You do realize that if you asked, the ACLU would be more than happy to help you have such a parade. They help protect your right to protest, I don't think I understand the hate.

Also, I think after complaining so much about getting your asses kicked you may want to remove the "Warrior" part of your name. Warriors tend not to complain about that.

and to show they are not "pacifists".

and the ones you get into confrontations with never claim to be. why is it that so many people on the right have no political sophistication at all and can't distinguish between groups on a level finer than 'my guys' and 'hippies'?

You do realize that if you asked, the ACLU would be more than happy to help you have such a parade. They help protect your right to protest, I don't think I understand the hate.

Also, I think after complaining so much about getting your asses kicked you may want to remove the "Warrior" part of your name. Warriors tend not to complain about that.


Not so true, the ACLU prefers only to help mainly the leftist cause, and will try to find a reason not to help conservatives. Well i have no idea if it applies all over, but it seems to be rather common now.

Technically we didn't get our asses kicked either. Gil, the person that got assaulted, wasn't hurt really that bad. Right now PW is using a Ghandi persona, fight with words not with fists. Although if violence escolates, and numbers don't grow, we might have to change that alas.

and the ones you get into confrontations with never claim to be. why is it that so many people on the right have no political sophistication at all and can't distinguish between groups on a level finer than 'my guys' and 'hippies'?

I've seen the hippies, they're completely brainless. The older hippies are violent though. O_O, plus it's not like i'm trying to say all leftists are violent. But generally the majority in those protests tend to be the violent ones.

Could be, but I've yet to meet one.



Everyone has the same right to protest. The ProtestWarriors are amazingly civil and well-behaved, but many of the antiwar protesters go completely ballistic in a very scary way, and sometimes resort to physical violence when confronted with a disagreeing opinion.

Go out to a lot of anti war protests? :rolleyes:

Provocateers provoke, hardly a man bites dog scenario.

Congradulations. You can be assholes and ferret out some assholes on the other side. Woo hoo. I guess now I have to agree with the war and all that St. George has done. You provoked someone to kick your ass so my entire political view is now invalid. Good job.

They played with fire, they got burned.

For a group that goes out of their way to say "they arn't pacifists!" and "They're just hippies!" you're being a bunch of fucking pussies.

Suck it up already.

Not so true, the ACLU prefers only to help mainly the leftist cause, and will try to find a reason not to help conservatives. Well i have no idea if it applies all over, but it seems to be rather common now.

Technically we didn't get our asses kicked either. Gil, the person that got assaulted, wasn't hurt really that bad. Right now PW is using a Ghandi persona, fight with words not with fists. Although if violence escolates, and numbers don't grow, we might have to change that alas.



I've seen the hippies, they're completely brainless. The older hippies are violent though. O_O, plus it's not like i'm trying to say all leftists are violent. But generally the majority in those protests tend to be the violent ones.
First point is blatantly untrue and I dare you to find any evidence to the contrary. They offered their services to Rush Limbaugh without him even asking for it in order to defend the privacy of his medical record. He's pretty right wing last time I checked.

Also the only point I was making there is that you aren't warriors. The Gandhi approach is fine and dandy, you're much more likely to get your point across without violence. Gandhi didn't call himself a warrior though. I mean if you called yourselves "Protest Samurai" I would expect swords.

Wasn't it the left that was sooooo angry about "being beaten and harrassed" in NYC a few months back?

I guess violence is only okay when it's against someone who doesn't believe the same as you. :(

Wasn't it the left that was sooooo angry about "being beaten and harrassed" in NYC a few months back?

I guess violence is only okay when it's against someone who doesn't believe the same as you. :(
Well, we ALL had this meeting and decided-as a large nebulus group fit under one vague umbrella term, that we would all react one way and be in complete agreement with all the activities of anyone who was grouped into that catagory-and then of course decided that it was alright-after a lot of cell phone calls from the location to everyone on the left who wasn't there or didn't know those people, that it was after all, alright to kick that guys ass and hope you didn't notice. But you are on to us and our hive mind.

You clever, clever person you.

if it was the black bloc who were administering the beatings then that's an entirely different matter.

don't those guys just go to prostests with the intention of causing havoc?

i mean, in quebec city while the police were gassing people in drum circles and dancing, the ones who were throwing shit back and destroying shop windows were the black block. the ones running, hiding and trying to get the tear gas out of their eyes were just being peaceful.

what the hell do you expect from the black bloc?

don't those guys just go to prostests with the intention of causing havoc?

no

no
the black bloc?

i thought that was pretty much what they did.

no [they don't go to protests purely to be antagonistic and taunt the police]

Over here (in the UK) we (Libertarian Socialists) like to think of the Block as "those loveable" scamps, always getting into trouble. Like a younger brother who has just finished reading the "Beginners' Guide to Bakunin" and doesn't really have a class analysis so his idea of Direct Action is blowing shit up and breaking windows.

if it was the black bloc who were administering the beatings then that's an entirely different matter.

don't those guys just go to prostests with the intention of causing havoc?

i mean, in quebec city while the police were gassing people in drum circles and dancing, the ones who were throwing shit back and destroying shop windows were the black block. the ones running, hiding and trying to get the tear gas out of their eyes were just being peaceful.

what the hell do you expect from the black bloc?
You were at Quebec City? That was the craziest chaos I ever saw, I must have been tear gassed 15 or twenty times. I took a bunch of pictures of leftist skinheads throwing cobblestones at cops but ended up losing my camera.

I think your perceptions of the black block are pretty accurate. They would call their actions "propoganda by deed" rather than causing havoc, but I don't really think there is much thought behind it. The black block's tactics illustrate a central flaw with anarchism, which is that without coordination and discipline, the best anarchists can ussually hope to accomplish is a massive riot.

Still at least they aren't as naive as the hippies to think that making cute signs, and banging on bongo drums will some how make the world's leaders more compassionate and less violent.

nah. if it's an official black bloc it has an organized purpose published in a call out - usually somehow related to the anarchist revolutionary agenda - and actually confront its opposition in some manner rather than meekly asking the powerful to stop. though currently it is largely symbolic confrontation.

Over here (in the UK) we (Libertarian Socialists) like to think of the Block as "those loveable" scamps, always getting into trouble. Like a younger brother who has just finished reading the "Beginners' Guide to Bakunin" and doesn't really have a class analysis so his idea of Direct Action is blowing shit up and breaking windows.

that is somewhat accurate, except for the best examples of black blocs over the past few years. its main advantage is that the symbolism of it all has been a large part of ressurecting anarchism as any sort of a political force in the united states.

Well, we ALL had this meeting and decided-as a large nebulus group fit under one vague umbrella term, that we would all react one way and be in complete agreement with all the activities of anyone who was grouped into that catagory-and then of course decided that it was alright-after a lot of cell phone calls from the location to everyone on the left who wasn't there or didn't know those people, that it was after all, alright to kick that guys ass and hope you didn't notice. But you are on to us and our hive mind.

Aha. And here I was just recalling various threads of the past few months where folks kept saying that the left does not espouse violent tactics. Silly me.

You clever, clever person you.

Thanks. I think it's swell of you to be so non-condenscending in your prose.

that is somewhat accurate, except for the best examples of black blocs over the past few years. its main advantage is that the symbolism of it all has been a large part of ressurecting anarchism as any sort of a political force in the united states.

Indeed, at least it has achieved something other than pissing off the rest of the left (although that's always fun) and in-fighting with other Anarcho groups. The Anarchist movement in the UK is shit precisely because it's full of liberals who like to characature the working class and super-1337 theorists who like to critique everything about everyone else. They can call me economically reductionist but Marx trumps Bakunin any day.

And don't even get me started on primitivists!

Aha. And here I was just recalling various threads of the past few months where folks kept saying that the left does not espouse violent tactics. Silly me.
Of course, that was just after the meeting where we also decided that anything anyone said while identifying themselves or being identified as left was binding to all who are, could be, or are even tangetially related to the left.



Thanks. I think it's swell of you to be so non-condenscending in your prose.
Your welcome.

So do you think we can get the Black Block and Protest Warriors together? :D I'll see if I can sell the reality TV rights to FOX.

You were at Quebec City? That was the craziest chaos I ever saw, I must have been tear gassed 15 or twenty times. I took a bunch of pictures of leftist skinheads throwing cobblestones at cops but ended up losing my camera.

I think your perceptions of the black block are pretty accurate. They would call their actions "propoganda by deed" rather than causing havoc, but I don't really think there is much thought behind it. The black block's tactics illustrate a central flaw with anarchism, which is that without coordination and discipline, the best anarchists can ussually hope to accomplish is a massive riot.

Still at least they aren't as naive as the hippies to think that making cute signs, and banging on bongo drums will some how make the world's leaders more compassionate and less violent.
i wasn't at quebec city, i was like 15 or so when that was going on. i wanted to go and i followed the news avidly for it. i even saw the much music coverage where george got teargassed while watching a band play. you would think they would try not to gas the media at least...

i wasn't at quebec city, i was like 15 or so when that was going on. i wanted to go and i followed the news avidly for it. i even saw the much music coverage where george got teargassed while watching a band play. you would think they would try not to gas the media at least...
The cops really went overboard with the Tear Gas, they had to even delay the FTAA meeting for a few hours because tear gas fumes were getting into the conference rooms where all the national leaders were meeting. I'm surprised nobody got killed, it is really hard to breath after a tear gas grenade goes off near you, if you had asthma you probably could die. Plus the tear grenades are launched pretty high into the air with grenade launchers and probably would do a lot of damage if one landed on you. A lot of the anarchists had gloves and would just pick them up and thow them right back at the cops which was funny. Don't try that without gloves though, or you will get a nasty burn.

So do you think we can get the Black Block and Protest Warriors together? :D I'll see if I can sell the reality TV rights to FOX.

if you could get both sides to agree to a fight, the bb would win as they out number the pws by a factor of at least 10.

(assuming you got everyone who has ever participted in a bb and everyone who has ever participated in a pw action to the same place from their various places of abode)

Oh, and if you are laughing at that article, I call complete and utter bullshit on this: Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

Despite what you may think, my social feelings have not robbed me of a sense of humour or sense of irony.

These PW guys were one group of vicious anarchists away from ending up on the short list for a Darwin Award and they haven't even noticed that fact. They were far too busy enjoying their ignorant selves.

Maybe next time they would like to punch a bull in the testicles and wave their privates in its face.