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Ok....I am not talking about "drugs" in general. Just methamphetamine, crank, or whatever you choose to call it. It has obviously become a drug of choice in many areas.

What are your opinions of meth? Can this problem be resolved, and if so, how? What are your experiences?

(Just looking for a little conversation....I do not want this to turn into a pro-drugs/anti-drugs thread).

isnt meth, in essence, rot-gut homemade speed?

the market must be HUGE. every week another meth lab is busted in albuquerque. (once a month or so here in small town socorro). they finally passed a law saying stores cant sell anyone more than 2 packages of <that stuff in cold medicine that they make meth out of>

the biggest reason in my mind why it should be illegal to make is that it tends to explode. bad for the neighborhood. plus the fumes are very bad for children.

so whats the big freaking attraction?

Can I go for "No, I don't use drugs, but I don't care if other people do"?

I can see why people would do marajuana, even cocaine. But why somebody would put fertilizer and battery acid into their bloodstream is totaly beyond me.
Meth is another thing which falls under the catagory of 'bloody stupid'. Not only does it wreck your body, its fairly easy to detect, considering what you look like after a week or so on it, what with the blue fingers and open sores and all.

Can I go for "No, I don't use drugs, but I don't care if other people do"?


Yeah...I kinda forgot a regular No option...and i dont know how to change my poll....


*help?*

I'd prefer the option of "I'd rather not, but I don't mind if you do."

My personal opinion...well it can only bve derived from the thousands of deaths that crystal meth causes...

I think the attraction is that it is cheap and relatively easy to make...it is very popular is rural communities, because it is harder for them to get...ahem, "good drugs."

While I'd like the best for everyone, I dont think locking people up helps them, and frankly I'd rather my tax dollars was spent helping people who want my help (ie on health care, education, etc), than on someone who will only curse me for turfing them into a cell and solving absolutely nothing for them.

If people choose dangerous drugs like meth when they can do much more relatively safe ones is beyond me, but its their choice. I just don't like it when meth labs get shit in the drinking water (I believe I read somewhere spills from meth labs get in the water table... any confirmation on that?) and the danger they pose to others.

Its really depressing because the people who are super-addicted, tend to go right out as soon as they get out of jail/rehab, and start doing the same things again. I feel bad for them....but not that bad.

I have an ex....who has basically wasted his life over this crap.

I've tried it once, and it was crap.

(For the record, i've stopped trying things like that :p)

Interesting Historical Fact:
Adolf Hitler was known to receive up to four doses of methamphetamines daily. Many credit this drug for the increasingly delusional and unrealistic diatribes the Nazi leader issued towards the end of World War II. The same class of drugs was also used by the Japanese in an attempt to instill increased nationalistic fervor among their soldiers.

Towards the end of the Nazi regime, when he was holed up under the Reichstag, Hitler also applied cocaine droplets to his eyes every morning.
It is unclear whether the physical symptoms he displayed as described by surviving loyalists were drug-induced or were a result of advanced Parkinson's Disease.

I've never tried crystal meth and I never want to. For me, the fear of eternal insanity is greater than the fear of death. And I've already had bad enough experiences with other drugs.

Its really depressing because the people who are super-addicted, tend to go right out as soon as they get out of jail/rehab, and start doing the same things again. I feel bad for them....but not that bad.
I heard only 7 percent of addicted meth users can quit.

Ok....I am not talking about "drugs" in general. Just methamphetamine, crank, or whatever you choose to call it. It has obviously become a drug of choice in many areas.

What are your opinions of meth? Can this problem be resolved, and if so, how? What are your experiences?

(Just looking for a little conversation....I do not want this to turn into a pro-drugs/anti-drugs thread).

Speed kills.

isnt meth, in essence, rot-gut homemade speed?
Speed=methamphetamine.

I heard only 7 percent of addicted meth users can quit.


Yeah its something like that.

I don't see why everyone can't just smoke a little pot and be happy and mellow. :p

Truth be told I don't know much about it, however I do know speed is similar to ritalin and someone just said meth=speed. Should I be worried about my two younger brothers on Ritalin? Personally I think the doctor should never have prescribed it to the boys, but what do I know?

Truth be told I don't know much about it, however I do know speed is similar to ritalin and someone just said meth=speed. Should I be worried about my two younger brothers on Ritalin? Personally I think the doctor should never have prescribed it to the boys, but what do I know?


Meth is not equal to Ritalin. Something got lost in the equation somewhere.

I haven't used it, but I will probably try it at one point. I haven't tried any recreational drugs as of now, but I can definitely foresee myself accepting some offered to me by a friend (I know several of my friends are actually kind of bad about recreational drug use; in fact, one had a very bad experience with meth over a two-wekk period, and decided to never use it again). Not from peer pressure, but I'm just kind of curious if it's something I'd like. I already know I'm not too partial to alcohol, but don't know about other recreational drugs.

On another note, I have used amphetamines, but that was as an ADD medication.

I can see why people would do marajuana, even cocaine. But why somebody would put fertilizer and battery acid into their bloodstream is totaly beyond me.
Did you know that laughing gas, nitrous oxide, is also a type of fuel. Commonly known as nos. And amphetamines are not fertiliser or battery acid, it is an SSI if I recall, though I guess some ingredients used might be those, I don't know much about the ingredients in common street meth.

Meth is another thing which falls under the catagory of 'bloody stupid'. Not only does it wreck your body, its fairly easy to detect, considering what you look like after a week or so on it, what with the blue fingers and open sores and all.
Heroin is even more stupid, in my opinion. It has more adverse effects, and is harder to get off of. It actually dramatically reduces endorphin production in the body. Meth has one characteristic that all other recreational drugs lack, however: it heightens brain function. It actually does improve cognition, though with extended use....well it doesn't really count then anymore.

The same class of drugs was also used by the Japanese in an attempt to instill increased nationalistic fervor among their soldiers.
That is not altogether true. It was given to kamikaze pilots, not indiscriminanetly.

isnt meth, in essence, rot-gut homemade speed?
Exactly. Nasty shit. steer clear of this stuff kids.
Buy weed instead.

Anhydrous ammonia is a common ingredient. Pseudophedrine. Those are the two big ingredients I think of off-hand.

Oh...and it rots your teeth eventually too.

Truth be told I don't know much about it, however I do know speed is similar to ritalin and someone just said meth=speed. Should I be worried about my two younger brothers on Ritalin? Personally I think the doctor should never have prescribed it to the boys, but what do I know?Meth is not equal to Ritalin. Something got lost in the equation somewhere.
Speed, in the strictest sense, refers to amphetamines in general, typically in reference to recreational uses. Ritalin is an amphetamine, much less potent than what is sold on the streets. I am guessing your brothers have a form of ADD, and Ritalin is the most common drug prescribed to treat it. Adderall is what works best for me, but Ritalin is more generally used. Assuming the psychiatrist knows what he's doing, he should start at a very mild dose and increase the dosage if there are signs that there will be positive aspects with little or no negative ones. Anyone with a pharmacological degree should be fine to trust. The doses for recreational and medicinal amphetamines incur very, very different results in a person.

Pseudophedrine.
Isn't that an antihistamine?

When I think "meth" I think "homemade" ... when I think "amphetamine" ... I guess i just think of general drug use. So my self-definition of methamphetamine is a homemade drug.

Truth be told I don't know much about it, however I do know speed is similar to ritalin and someone just said meth=speed. Should I be worried about my two younger brothers on Ritalin? Personally I think the doctor should never have prescribed it to the boys, but what do I know?


TAG, I've got some stuff to say about this, both as a former druggie, a criminal defense attorney and someone who has used/abused amphetamines and Ritalin - don't worry about your boys though, do worry about anyone you know who uses Ice/Meth/CrystalMeth/Poor-Man's-Coke.

Isn't that an antihistamine?


i think it is in some antihistamines. but most places you can only buy so many packages of drugs containing pseudophedrine, because otherwise they will call the cops on you for being a cooker.

Another for the "No, don't like drugs, but would let others"

Another for the "No, don't like drugs, but would let others"


Yeah sorry....my brain kinda farted when i was making the poll.

Speed=methamphetamine.

Speed and meth aren't synonymous.. speed's a broader category. Hitler, for example, supplied his armies with benzedrine, in the case cited by the earlier person.

Also, I'd never want to cook Meth myself, but I have read up on the synth as a matter of curiosity. It's not horribly difficult, but not something any Chem 101 dropout could do easily.. so I don't see the mass appeal among average citizens, really. Especially compared to other drugs even an amateur could grow with no problems (marijuana, 'magic' mushrooms, etc.).

i think it is in some antihistamines. but most places you can only buy so many packages of drugs containing pseudophedrine, because otherwise they will call the cops on you for being a cooker.
Interesting, because I take pseudophedrine all the time--it's the main ingredient in Sudafed/Suphedrine. In fact, looking at the box I have, it says:
Active ingredient (in each tablet) Purpose
Pseudoephedrine HCI 30 mg .......... Nasal Decongestant
So there is that extra "e" in there. Is that a typo or are they different substances?

I'm sure it is the same thing (I probably misspelled).

I'm not saying pseudo. is meth....it is just an ingredient that can be used in making meth. Along with you know...drain cleaner. (yuck)

Especially compared to other drugs even an amateur could grow with no problems (marijuana, 'magic' mushrooms, etc.).
Well, meth is much more lucrative than marijuana to sell. Though you do have a good point with 'shrooms, but I'm not sure how easy those are to grow.

Well, meth is much more lucrative than marijuana to sell. Though you do have a good point with 'shrooms, but I'm not sure how easy those are to grow.

Foam box, damp corner and cow pats!:D:p

I'm not saying pseudo. is meth....it is just an ingredient that can be used in making meth.
Oh, I know. I was just surprised that something I take for my allergies is also used in meth production.

the reason you hear about all the meth houses in small rual towns is the easy access to the chemichal to make it. in a small town the two main drugs will be weed and meth becuse they are easy to make. that said meth is stupided if you are going to do drugs you should do drugs that are found in nature that havent been prossed with any chemical of any kind like weed..........so to recap meth bad weed very good

Well, meth is much more lucrative than marijuana to sell. Though you do have a good point with 'shrooms, but I'm not sure how easy those are to grow.

Possibly, but marijuana has a much wider consumer base.. practically everyone has tried or uses marijuana, so you wouldn't have to be "connected" to move your product, as compared to meth. I think I'm the only person I know who hasn't smoked marijuana, honestly. You're also less likely to be shot by your client. ;)

I'm not sure you can beat the profit margin on mushrooms though.. seeing as 30-40 dollars worth of spores can grow you several hundred doses, which can be sold for 20-50 dollars apiece to college students, especially.. It'd be interesting to know which drug (other than cocaine) has the highest average net profit to the distributor....

OK, I've got more to say, but to stop part of this debate, pseudoephedrine is the main ingredient in Sudafed which is a proprietary/copyrighted name. Pseudoephedrine, is required if you want to cook Meth at home. You can get it from other items besides the proprietary Sudafed, but that is the easiest and best place to get it since Sudafed is made up of only pseudoephedrine and cornstarch, food coloring, etc.

Speed, in the strictest sense, refers to amphetamines in general, typically in reference to recreational uses. Ritalin is an amphetamine, much less potent than what is sold on the streets. I am guessing your brothers have a form of ADD, and Ritalin is the most common drug prescribed to treat it. Adderall is what works best for me, but Ritalin is more generally used. Assuming the psychiatrist knows what he's doing, he should start at a very mild dose and increase the dosage if there are signs that there will be positive aspects with little or no negative ones. Anyone with a pharmacological degree should be fine to trust. The doses for recreational and medicinal amphetamines incur very, very different results in a person.
I had heard that methylphenidate(Ritalin) wasn't actually part of the amphetamine grouping, but had a very similar chemical structure.

I don't see why everyone can't just smoke a little pot and be happy and mellow. :p
Hehehehe :)

Speed and meth aren't synonymous.. speed's a broader category. Hitler, for example, supplied his armies with benzedrine, in the case cited by the earlier person.
Hmm, in my area, when someone says "speed", they're asking for meth specifically. Sorry for the confusion, then.

I had heard that methylphenidate(Ritalin) wasn't actually part of the amphetamine grouping, but had a very similar chemical structure.

From the standpoint of a pure chemist, it is not a part of the amphetamine group, but from the standpoint of a bio-chemist, it is since it is an isomer/salt of pure amphetamine as I understand it.

that said meth is stupided if you are going to do drugs you should do drugs that are found in nature that havent been prossed with any chemical of any kind like weed..........so to recap meth bad weed very good
I am not sure how meth was discovered, but I know that most drugs and medicines were found out through plants. That is where pretty much all medicine has come from, I'd wager that meth was first dicovered as a component of some plant. Also, marijuana is typically sold in tablets. And the pills are concentrated marijuana, mainly concentrated THC (tetrahydrocannabinol). Marijuana is indeed processed most of the time, though not nearly as much as meth, that's true. But natural chemicals are not always good for you...or, if you disagree, try out some Amanita virosa. It is actually native to my area, so I could tell you what it looks like.

From the standpoint of a pure chemist, it is not a part of the amphetamine group, but from the standpoint of a bio-chemist, it is since it is an isomer/salt of pure amphetamine as I understand it.
Ah, I understand now. I don't know quite what I'm talking about since I've just been trying to learn stuff on my own and haven't had any courses in anything.

I am not sure how meth was discovered, but I know that most drugs and medicines were found out through plants. That is where pretty much all medicine has come from, I'd wager that meth was first dicovered as a component of some plant. Also, marijuana is typically sold in tablets. And the pills are concentrated marijuana, mainly concentrated THC (tetrahydrocannabinol). Marijuana is indeed processed most of the time, though not nearly as much as meth, that's true. But natural chemicals are not always good for you...or, if you disagree, try out some Amanita virosa. It is actually native to my area, so I could tell you what it looks like.

Ehh, where do you live that marijuana is sold in tablet form? Seems like it'd be hard to smoke that way

You're also less likely to be shot by your client. ;)
Ahh yes. I can say from reliable second-hand evidence that selling cocaine is not a good idea, no matter how much money you get from it.

From the standpoint of a pure chemist, it is not a part of the amphetamine group, but from the standpoint of a bio-chemist, it is since it is an isomer/salt of pure amphetamine as I understand it.
I think I had heard that it is not strictly an amphetamine, but it's biochemical effects are pretty much the same, so pharmacologically speaking it is, for convienence.

Ehh, where do you live that marijuana is sold in tablet form? Seems like it'd be hard to smoke that way
I haven't tried it yet, but I have done research on it to see just what it does to the body, and concentrated THC is sold for amore intense high sometimes. I really don't know much about the administration methods, though now that you mention it, yeah, it is usually smoked, isn't it...

I haven't tried it yet, but I have done research on it to see just what it does to the body, and concentrated THC is sold for amore intense high sometimes. I really don't know much about the administration methods, though now that you mention it, yeah, it is usually smoked, isn't it...


Sounds to me like you live somewhere where people are dealing in Marinol, not marijuana.

Interesting, because I take pseudophedrine all the time--it's the main ingredient in Sudafed/Suphedrine. In fact, looking at the box I have, it says:

So there is that extra "e" in there. Is that a typo or are they different substances?

Here in Florida, they make it out of Ephedrine, which you can buy at every gas station in the state.
Most other states have banned it and only allow pseudoephedrine.

You can make crystal meth with either of those, but it'll be better (sic) and more expensive if made with real ephedrine.

I used to live with 2 methheads for a few months when I was a student. One grew a large round bulbuous thing on his head where his sinuses were.
I really hate that shit.

But natural chemicals are not always good for you...or, if you disagree, try out some Amanita virosa. It is actually native to my area, so I could tell you what it looks like.
Yeah, some of the natural stuff is eeevil.
Like the belladonna alkaloids, those are pretty nasty.
And bufotenin.
Stuff like that can be really dangerous.

the reason you hear about all the meth houses in small rual towns is the easy access to the chemichal to make it. in a small town the two main drugs will be weed and meth becuse they are easy to make. that said meth is stupided if you are going to do drugs you should do drugs that are found in nature that havent been prossed with any chemical of any kind like weed..........so to recap meth bad weed very good
I heard that the town I live in here in central Minnesota, Princeton, is a major hub of weed (and maybe meth as well) for the state :(

Some of my siblings have been caught :(

But I come with a clean bill of health :D


Can't wait to leave princeton...

Speed kills.
One of the few times I'll agree with Eutrusca.

Sounds to me like you live somewhere where people are dealing in Marinol, not marijuana.
Yup. They give it to AIDS and cancer patients in states where the real thing is illegal for medical use.
It doesn't work to get high on (or for anything really if you're sick). It's a failure and emberrassment to the pharmaceutical company that makes it.

Sounds to me like you live somewhere where people are dealing in Marinol, not marijuana.
Again, I have not had any personal experience with any recreational drug, including marijuana. Though I have seen people smoking tobacco, and have seen pipes for smoking pot, but all of my knowledge on it has come from research on the internet.

When i lived in the dorms me and my friend would make "weed pills" when it was too cold to go outside and smoke. I took these huge cranberry capsules i had, pulled them apart, dumped out the medicine, and stuffed them with weed. then we put the capsule back together. then we would swallow a couple of them.

if definitely got you messed up. :p

When i lived in the dorms me and my friend would make "weed pills" when it was too cold to go outside and smoke. I took these huge cranberry capsules i had, pulled them apart, dumped out the medicine, and stuffed them with weed. then we put the capsule back together. then we would swallow a couple of them.

if definitely got you messed up. :p
Must have been a good feeling then, huh? :D

Again, I have not had any personal experience with any recreational drug, including marijuana. Though I have seen people smoking tobacco, and have seen pipes for smoking pot, but all of my knowledge on it has come from research on the internet.


Good for you! Keep it that way, take it from someone who has been there and knows.

Must have been a good feeling then, huh? :D

oh it was. one night in particular, we ended up in the hallway spinning in circles on our desk chairs and laughing hysterically. then we started singing songs from sister act 2. ah.....good memories. :D

Yep, I've tried "P" as it is better known in my area. It wasn't nice, but it did make me lose shitloads of weight. One of the bad things is that you constantly feel like you have bugs crawling around under your skin, and I scratched myself raw on many occasions. Don't recommend it to anyone.

Keep it that way, take it from someone who has been there and knows.</selective editing. heh>
Are you encouraging him to do drugs? :)

It does make you drop weight like crazy. Everyone i knew on it, was stick skinny. and the people who were, um, "fatter" before they started using crank....definitely dropped noticeable weight.

oh it was. one night in particular, we ended up in the hallway spinning in circles on our desk chairs and laughing hysterically. then we started singing songs from sister act 2. ah.....good memories. :D
Do you still *ahem* have fun today? :D *cough* :D

It does make you drop weight like crazy. Everyone i knew on it, was stick skinny. and the people who were, um, "fatter" before they started using crank....definitely dropped noticeable weight.
That'd be a hell of a "fun" diet routine! :D

Talking about meth vs Ritalin, look here. (http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=2846)

Do you still *ahem* have fun today? :D *cough* :D


I haven't had any for awhile....I smoked up with some friends in like November I think it was. I like it a lot....just can't afford to make it a frequent habit. :D



P.S. I TURNED SOMETIMES DEADLY!!!!! I FINALLY GOT A NEW TITLE!!!! WOOTWOOT!!!!!!!!!!

It does make you drop weight like crazy. Everyone i knew on it, was stick skinny. and the people who were, um, "fatter" before they started using crank....definitely dropped noticeable weight.
Yeah, they use amphetamines as diet pills too...


When I was on Dexedrine for ADHD, I lost like 20 pounds and had to stop taking it because it was wrecking my health.

P.S. I TURNED SOMETIMES DEADLY!!!!! I FINALLY GOT A NEW TITLE!!!! WOOTWOOT!!!!!!!!!!
YAAAAAAY!
:fluffle:

That'd be a hell of a "fun" diet routine! :D

I didn't like meth. I tried it, and I sprinted a block, and then my heart wouldn't slow back down. I thought I was going to die. And then my ex threw me down the stairs.

It was a fun night. :rolleyes:

Truth be told I don't know much about it, however I do know speed is similar to ritalin and someone just said meth=speed. Should I be worried about my two younger brothers on Ritalin? Personally I think the doctor should never have prescribed it to the boys, but what do I know?


ritalin is not as bad as meth but you do have to be careful with it make sure its takin as directed and depending on how old your boys are you might want to check the bottle about once a week or so to make sure its not missing one of my friends parents had to hid her ritalin because she became addicted to it she would pop it, crush it and snort it whatever she felt like it was horriable as long as your doctor is a trusted one and you follow the directions they should be okay but thats all i have to say before you get me started on medicating kids

I didn't like meth. I tried it, and I sprinted a block, and then my heart wouldn't slow back down. I thought I was going to die. And then my ex threw me down the stairs.

It was a fun night. :rolleyes:
Oh, sorry to hear that :(

Yeah, they use amphetamines as diet pills too...
Not legally, as far as I know.

When I was on Dexedrine for ADHD, I lost like 20 pounds and had to stop taking it because it was wrecking my health.
Did you self-prescribe that or something? You psychitrist should've stopped immediately if you lose even 5 pounds. You either had someone who didn't know what the hell they were doing, or was an extremely reckless optimist.

Ok....I am not talking about "drugs" in general. Just methamphetamine, crank, or whatever you choose to call it. It has obviously become a drug of choice in many areas.

What are your opinions of meth? Can this problem be resolved, and if so, how? What are your experiences?

(Just looking for a little conversation....I do not want this to turn into a pro-drugs/anti-drugs thread).
No.

My choice isn't on the survey.

Oh, sorry to hear that :(

Eh. Its all good now....got away from him, and therefore got away from his drug addict/dealer friends. Better for me in the long run.

I didn't like meth. I tried it, and I sprinted a block, and then my heart wouldn't slow back down. I thought I was going to die.
That was one of the irritating side effects of Adderall, it made my heart rate go up quite a bit sometimes, even when I was just sitting down in class or something. It was pretty weird.

Did you self-prescribe that or something? You psychitrist should've stopped immediately if you lose even 5 pounds. You either had someone who didn't know what the hell they were doing, or was an extremely reckless optimist.
I had somebody who didn't know what the hell they were doing. A total idiot who recklessly fooled with my life.
:(

It does make you drop weight like crazy. Everyone i knew on it, was stick skinny. and the people who were, um, "fatter" before they started using crank....definitely dropped noticeable weight.


one more comment from me in regards to that its true i took it for just two/three days days the time i tried it it was a horriable experience the worst ive ever had with drugs worse than the time i had alcohol poisioning in that two/three days i didnt eat a single thing never slept and felt horribiable when i started to "come down" once i finally made it home i slept for the next two days by the end of that i had lost at least 20 pounds it was horriable :(

Eh. Its all good now....got away from him, and therefore got away from his drug addict/dealer friends. Better for me in the long run.
That's good to hear. :)

Here's something to help you feel better :D :
:fluffle:

EDIT: Assuming this is an okay place & time, that is ;)

Facts, from personal experience and otherwise:

'Meth' is just a shortened form of 'methamphetamine'. It carries no connotations as to quality.

'Crank' is low quality meth.

'Glass', 'ice', 'crystal', etc. are names for high purity meth.

'Speed' is the generic name for any amphetamine, dextro-, meth-, etc.

-Using meth is not 'putting battery acid and fertilizer in your system'.

-Ritalin/Concerta are methylphenidate, a non-amphetamine weak stimulant.

-Adderall/dexedrine are dextroamphetamine, a mildly stimulating amphetamine.

-Desoxyn is prescription grade meth.

-Meth is not physically addictive. Addiction is purely mental, and any withdrawal symptoms are simply the dreaded 'meth crash' and probably detoxification of any nasty impurities in the meth.

see, i dont do it, but i dont care if you do, but theres no option for that, so i had to put I'm too hyped up to read the monitor.

Can I go for "No, I don't use drugs, but I don't care if other people do"?
I agree. That's what I go for aswell.

Organized crime and street gangs make this garbage and import it with the money supporting harder drugs, fake passports and human smuggling, and guns that kill innocent people that get hit by stray bullets or murdered by drug addicted scum robbing them to support their habbit.
This garbage ruins lives and tears apart familys.
I think all drug dealers and importers are scum and should be shot where they are found.

Organized crime and street gangs make this garbage and import it with the money supporting harder drugs, fake passports and human smuggling, and guns that kill innocent people that get hit by stray bullets or murdered by drug addicted scum robbing them to support their habbit.
This garbage ruins lives and tears apart familys.
I think all drug dealers and importers are scum and should be shot where they are found.
That's a bit harsh...

Drug addicted scum? I take offense. I never robbed people or committed crimes. When I started getting strapped fo cash, I realized it was time to stop, and did so.

Idiot,
you should have put a not familiar in the poll. Now I refuse to read the thread.

(psuedophedrine) Isn't that an antihistamine?

Yes, and a stimulant powerful enough it is banned in the olympics.

Idiot,
you should have put a not familiar in the poll. Now I refuse to read the thread.
Please refrain from insulting other's intelligence.

Idiot,
you should have put a not familiar in the poll. Now I refuse to read the thread.
I agree, but the thread is still interesting. That's what I would've put, but that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion on recreational pharmacology.

Yes, and a stimulant powerful enough it is banned in the olympics.
Well, they ban some pretty silly stuff from the Olympics. And it can't be too much of a stimulant, because I do not feel any really significant stimulative effect when I take pseudoephedrine...

Well, they ban some pretty silly stuff from the Olympics. And it can't be too much of a stimulant, because I do not feel any really significant stimulative effect when I take pseudoephedrine...
Yeah, I was gonna say...
Sudafed's never done much along those lines for me either.

OK, I probably shouldn't reveal this much here, but if it saves someone, its worth it.

1. I'm in my 40's. I smoked pot/grass/weed/dope whatever you want to call it, for the first time in about 1976 or 77 while in high school. I went to college in the late 70's and early 80's. While there, I smoked marijuana on a daily basis (typically, more than 2 or 3 times a day. A joint in the morning, one at lunch or in the afternoon and a one or more in the evening)

2. While in College, I also:
a. dropped acid (i.e. took LSD)
b. used Quaaludes, Valium, Opium, Morphine, Elavil (which mixed with Quaaludes can be lethal. Luckily, I was only unconscious for 36 hours though).
c. used Ampetamines (not Methampehamine, the real stuff) - black beauties, cross-tops, etc.
d. used Ritalin (my best friend had a script which we would use/sell/trade), Dexedrine, Tenuate Dospan (another amphetamine, used as a diet pill) and
e. used cocaine.
f. used other drugs I'm sure I've forgotten (ever snorted pure phenobarbitol powder off a photo of Lyndon Johnson? I have, several times. How about mixing Chloral Hydrate with Ritalin? Talk about being wired and mellowed out at the same time.)

3. After college, I got a job in Louisiana and met some people who went to New Orleans on a weekly basis to "pick up things." as a result, my use of pot stayed about the same (noting an earlier post in this thread, I and my friends used to laugh our butts off at a TV commercial that said "Get involved with drugs before your children do." - We were involved alright). I also picked up a $100.00/day cocaine habit - well it would have been that much, but I couldn't score that much. So it probably only cost me about $50.00/day for about a year or so.

4. For many reasons, to lengthy to deal with here, but that involve guns, naked women on buses, lots of money, threats, a job change, a bust and a friend's OD on cocaine, I moved away from Louisiana.

5. For about 2 more years, I smoked pot regularly and tried Xanax and MDMA (ectasy) once or twice and dropped acid a few more times. I then decided to change it all for various reasons, not the least of which was my current wife of 17 years.

6. I quit drugs completely, went to law school and became a practicing attorney. Except for pulling an occasional drunk, I've not used any illegal substance, or abused a legal substance other than booze, in 16 years come August of 2005.

7. I've spent the last 6 of my 15 years as an attorney doing criminal defense work (before that, it was personal injury and worker's comp work). What I've seen has scared the hell out of me and made me realize where I could have ended up.
a. Meth heads who "cooked up a batch" to sell so they could pay for re-hab (no shit).
b. formerly beautiful girls who are skin and bones and have no teeth at age 35
c. people who have not slept for as long as 7 days and are hallucinating
d. Top students who dropped out of high school and/or college because they could make more money making and selling Meth, only to end up in prison making nothing but time and a record that they will live with forever.
e. Women and men who would ANYTHING (literally) for some meth.
f. A guy who blew a $350,000.00 settlement from a car wreck (his share after taxes, attorney fees and everything) on meth and is now serving a 18 year sentence of which he must do 13 years before he can even be considered for parole, all at the age of 26

8. Finally, I found out what meth is made of - do yourself a favor, snort crystal drano, its about the same thing. - I won't give the cooking instructions, but feel free the next time you use meth to remember that what you are snorting/injecting/smoking was made with crushed up sudafed, alcohol, iodine, paint thinner, muratic or sulphuric acid, rock salt, phosphorus (typically scraped off of matchbook covers), camp fuel and maybe, just maybe, a little water. Oh, yeah, I forgot the liquidfied ammonia.


I say all this to let you know that:
A. I'm no idiot when it comes to drugs - been there, done that, all of it!
B. Meth is the worst shit I've ever seen in my life.

I'd legalize pot and sell it like liquor in a heart beat and I'd shoot someone trying to get my kid to take Meth in the same heart beat. It's bad shit, leave it for the fools.

I would post a link to instructions so people can see all the stuff that goes into it, and what happens if your chemist is a bonehead and gets a single thing wrong, but I won't post it, for fear of getting in loads of trouble.

Speed and meth aren't synonymous.. speed's a broader category. Hitler, for example, supplied his armies with benzedrine, in the case cited by the earlier person.

Also, I'd never want to cook Meth myself, but I have read up on the synth as a matter of curiosity. It's not horribly difficult, but not something any Chem 101 dropout could do easily.. so I don't see the mass appeal among average citizens, really. Especially compared to other drugs even an amateur could grow with no problems (marijuana, 'magic' mushrooms, etc.).

the mass appeal for the average citizen is that, for 20 bucks, you can tweak for a week. the county i live in has the most meth labs per capita in the US. it is bad stuff. tweakers live in nasty houses, and due to the "increased cognitive function" they collect all sorts of garbage, beleiving they can clean it up, fix it, sell it, and BUY MORE METH. You lose your teeth after about 5 years, develop boils, dont shower, and inherit a twitch. Nice drug. the one thing is, the high preservative content keeps these people alive FOREVER< so by the time they die, and end up on my table, they have enlarged hearts, non functioning kidneys, eroded glands, and more scar tissue in the brain than you can imagine. Meth is a dirty nasty unglamorous drug. Yech!

That's a bit harsh...

Drug addicted scum? I take offense. I never robbed people or committed crimes. When I started getting strapped fo cash, I realized it was time to stop, and did so.

you have way more common sense, and self control than the usual user. i don't know how well you would fit the addicts personaliuty type. maybe you were just in a phase or something.

you have way more common sense, and self control than the usual user. i don't know how well you would fit the addicts personaliuty type. maybe you were just in a phase or something.
Hmm.
Could be, I dunno.

and due to the "increased cognitive function" they collect all sorts of garbage, beleiving they can clean it up, fix it, sell it, and BUY MORE METH.
I never meant to imply that there wasn't disillusionment along with the increased cognitive function. Sure, it has that effect, but it messes with your physiology in other ways that aren't exactly beneficial.

and inherit a twitch.
I actually had to go on a hiatus from Adderall because I was beginning to develop a tic. Luckily, when my pschiatrist put me back on it, I handled the amphetamine much better.

you have way more common sense, and self control than the usual user. i don't know how well you would fit the addicts personaliuty type. maybe you were just in a phase or something.
No, those are just the best known ones. There are plenty of people, I am close friends with a few, who are regular drug users (granted, I try to kind of change this), but don't do all of the reputed criminal activity. Those are the people who are already dispositioned to do those types of activities.

I would post a link to instructions so people can see all the stuff that goes into it, and what happens if your chemist is a bonehead and gets a single thing wrong, but I won't post it, for fear of getting in loads of trouble.

you will. dont. just think of the ground up glass though. yum! btw, what color is said lickable eye?

btw, what color is said lickable eye?
Hee.
Noticed my sig, I see.
My eyes used to be blue, but they are more of a grey now. In certain light they still look blue, but usually they just look greyish. I don't know why they changed.

Hee.
Noticed my sig, I see.
My eyes used to be blue, but they are more of a grey now. In certain light they still look blue, but usually they just look greyish. I don't know why they changed.
stop. at once. my eyes were blue until i was six, then they turned this bright green. on rainy days though, my dad says "grey skies, grey eyes" . hhmm. we have a lot in common. are you sure you arent my twin, separated at birth? are you female, 5'8, of questionable race, with small hands and a long neck ? hmm???hhhmm???

stop. at once. my eyes were blue until i was six, then they turned this bright green. on rainy days though, my dad says "grey skies, grey eyes" . hhmm. we have a lot in common. are you sure you arent my twin, separated at birth? are you female, 5'8, of questionable race, with small hands and a long neck ? hmm???hhhmm???
I'm female, 5'11, Irish and French mostly, small hands and long neck.

Of course, there is the matter of me not being born female...
But that's a different story.

I'm female, 5'11, Irish and French mostly, small hands and long neck.

Of course, there is the matter of me not being born female...
But that's a different story.
start that story now, unless it is fairy tale ;)

start that story now, unless it is fairy tale ;)
Well, I'm a MTF transsexual. Still in the process of transitioning, but I can pass pretty well. At least, I haven't heard anybody calling me "Sir" or anybody freaking out and leaving, so I assume I'm doing well.

Now, if everybody hasn't run away from the thread in fear...

Well, I'm a MTF transsexual. Still in the process of transitioning, but I can pass pretty well. At least, I haven't heard anybody calling me "Sir" or anybody freaking out and leaving, so I assume I'm doing well.

Now, if everybody hasn't run away from the thread in fear...

not running. i am actually happy that you are becoming yourself. why didn't you enter the contest last night, hmm??

Well, I'm a MTF transsexual. Still in the process of transitioning, but I can pass pretty well. At least, I haven't heard anybody calling me "Sir" or anybody freaking out and leaving, so I assume I'm doing well.

Now, if everybody hasn't run away from the thread in fear...
You're still transitioning? Well, I wish you the best of luck in completing it and good health all the way :)
And no, I did not run away in fear :D ;)

not running. i am actually happy that you are becoming yourself. why didn't you enter the contest last night, hmm??
I have no pictures of me.

Good for Neo. Most of the people I know that completed the change were quite happy with it. Lots never finished, whether because of money or preference I wouldn't know.

I've tried just about every drug listed here (except heroin) and the only thing I got addicted to was cigarettes. I didn't try heroin but both my dad and my brother have. Neither of them became addicted,but it scared both of them. Dad said it was like one long orgasm, and I figured anything like that would just be too tempting. Back when I was younger my drugs of choice were meth and escasty-sp? crap, we just called it X. Now all my drugs are legal. Of course, so was X the first time I tried it. How's that for showing my age?

Let's just let people take what they want, treat it as a public health problem and get people educated about the dangers. The real dangers, not the hyped ones. Meth is dangerous, both to take often and to manufacture. X is rarely dangerous. More people die from taking Tylenol than X. If the government expects kids to take warnings about meth seriously, they should stop lying to them about how dangerous pot and X are.

Never touched it.... never plan to.

I have no pictures of me.

You should post some in the pic thread. I want to see people that have no idea say "WOW, you're cute!!!"

:D

Why is methamphetamine (AKA meth, crystal, speed, glass, crank, tweak) popular in the US?

It is cheap to produce as the precursors are legal in the US and the synthesis process is fairly easy with the right equipment (hence, why every farm in the US is producing it!) Also, it is fun!

Meth can be an evil drug if it is abused. It is highly addictive. Meth addiction strains the mind (Binges of meth cause 'amphetamine psychosis'; this is typified by paranoia, hallucinations, aggressive behaviour, etc. The insomnia it causes also affects mental well-being). Meth addiction strains the body (mostly caused lack of appetite and insomnia).

I come from the UK where meth is unheard of but amphetamine (usually in the sulphate salt) are very popular. Our amps are not as 'strong' as the meth in the US and the addiction potential is a lot lower.

Meth like any other drug can be abused or used responsibly.

NB. You will not turn into a toothless junkie after taking one hit of meth!

FYI, methamphetamine compound and her effects are not so different from the ADD/ADHD drugs that are frequently given out to children! They call it adderall in the states.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/amphetamines.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth.shtml

Edit: Sorry, I'm a bit all over the place :) - A heavy night last night!

Why is methamphetamine (AKA meth, crystal, speed, glass, crank, tweak) popular in the US?

It is cheap to produce as the precursors are legal in the US and the synthesis process is fairly easy with the right equipment (hence, why every farm in the US is producing it!) Also, it is fun!

Meth can be an evil drug if it is abused. It is highly addictive. Meth addiction strains the mind (Binges of meth cause 'amphetamine psychosis'; this is typified by paranoia, hallucinations, aggressive behaviour, etc. The insomnia it causes also affects mental well-being). Meth addiction strains the body (mostly caused lack of appetite and insomnia).

I come from the UK where meth is unheard of but amphetamine (usually in the sulphate salt) are very popular. Our amps are not as 'strong' as the meth in the US and the addiction potential is a lot lower.

Meth like any other drug can be abused or used responsibly.

NB. You will not turn into a toothless junkie after taking one hit of meth!

FYI, methamphetamine compound and her effects are not so different from the ADD/ADHD drugs that are frequently given out to children! They call it adderall in the states.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/amphetamines.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth.shtml

Edit: Sorry, I'm a bit all over the place :) - A heavy night last night!

Im gonna go out on a limb here, im pro marijuana legalization, pro most any drug legalization, but meth as a drug needs to be stamped out. Every human being ive met who was a meth user has screwed their life up horribly, god this sounds preachy but in 25 years I can point to at least a dozen. I really dont think meth as it exists in the U.S.A. today can be used responsibly at all. Perhaps regulated, and cleanliness ensured the situation might be different. But with the bathtub sudafed shit that people are doing here its a one way ticket to sleeping in a gutter speaking in the long term that is.

Edited to add: Before people jump on me for its their lives let them screw it up. Losing your job and not being able to pay rent because of your meth addiction affects your roommates. Molesting your stepchildren because of the intense state of arousal you get from the drug affects them profoundly. Turning down a one way street because you're so jittery you have no clue whats going on can affect people other than you lethally.

It doesn't sound like anything I would like to try. Not entheogenic at all, very damaging to your body. I consider it a cheap thrill. I turn into an asshole on alcohol real fast, I shudder to think what speed might do.

Meth addiction strains the body (mostly caused lack of appetite and insomnia).
It isn't the lack of appetite that strains the body, but the malnutrition resulting from it. And the increased blood pressure and heart rate are also negative factors on the body, not to mention the increased risk of heart attack, and overly jerky movements can damage ligaments.

NB. You will not turn into a toothless junkie after taking one hit of meth!
You can get seriously messed up with just one meth binge, however. The effects are still apparent weeks later, though unless you know what's causing the extreme fatigue and anorexia it could just be a pathological problem. Take my advice, never use meth outside of a psychiatric setting. It really can never be used responsibly, and you will regret using it.

FYI, methamphetamine compound and her effects are not so different from the ADD/ADHD drugs that are frequently given out to children! They call it adderall in the states.
Methamphetamine is sometimes used as an ADD medication, which was why I mentioned it supra. And Adderall is an amphetmaine, dextrorotary if I recall, not meth. That is Desoxyn. Not to mention that there are plenty of other proprietary amphetamines, like Ritalin (which, as was pointed out, is actually chemically similar to amphetamines, but is actually methylphenidate, but pharmacologically speaking is an amphetamine).

i dont really care who takes what but the MAKING of meth needs to be illegal. it is a huge public health hazard. the labs are prone to exploding and the fumes are dangerous for the children who always seem to be involved.

I've never tried meth. In my misspent youth I did use and sell some cocaine. I had connections so I got it cheap.

8. Finally, I found out what meth is made of - do yourself a favor, snort crystal drano, its about the same thing. - I won't give the cooking instructions, but feel free the next time you use meth to remember that what you are snorting/injecting/smoking was made with crushed up sudafed, alcohol, iodine, paint thinner, muratic or sulphuric acid, rock salt, phosphorus (typically scraped off of matchbook covers), camp fuel and maybe, just maybe, a little water. Oh, yeah, I forgot the liquidfied ammonia.

Alright, since you know nothing about chemistry, let me scare you a bit too:

You know the aspirin you're taking? That's been made with salicylic acid (toxic antiseptic), acetic anhydride (highly corrosive fungicide), and concentrated phosphoric acid (used in producing fertilizers).

Your decaffeinated coffee? That's had flammable, carcinogenic methylene chloride in it.

Just about any chemical you put in you has come into contact with, or has been synthesized with disgusting nasty dangerous chemicals. Just because they were present once doesn't mean they're still there. And using meth is nothing like "snorting drano" (unless you have a very unscrupulous dealer who cuts your meth with sodium hydroxide!!) :)

recovering addict

You can get seriously messed up with just one meth binge, however. The effects are still apparent weeks later, though unless you know what's causing the extreme fatigue and anorexia it could just be a pathological problem. Take my advice, never use meth outside of a psychiatric setting. It really can never be used responsibly, and you will regret using it.

Yes, you can get seriously messed up from one binge. You can kill yourself!


Methamphetamine is sometimes used as an ADD medication, which was why I mentioned it supra. And Adderall is an amphetmaine, dextrorotary if I recall, not meth. That is Desoxyn. Not to mention that there are plenty of other proprietary amphetamines, like Ritalin (which, as was pointed out, is actually chemically similar to amphetamines, but is actually methylphenidate, but pharmacologically speaking is an amphetamine).

I think he meant to say the active chemicals in Adderall are pharmacolgoically and chemically similar to methamphetamine. They give meth to kids!? Damn, I wish I had been that lucky....(maybe meth addiction at 12 wouldn't have been the best of things to experience).

i dont really care who takes what but the MAKING of meth needs to be illegal. it is a huge public health hazard. the labs are prone to exploding and the fumes are dangerous for the children who always seem to be involved.

The only reason making meth is dangerous is because it is illegal. If it was legal, it would be made in a controlled laboratory setting. Think about it ;).

8. Finally, I found out what meth is made of - do yourself a favor, snort crystal drano, its about the same thing. - I won't give the cooking instructions, but feel free the next time you use meth to remember that what you are snorting/injecting/smoking was made with crushed up sudafed, alcohol, iodine, paint thinner, muratic or sulphuric acid, rock salt, phosphorus (typically scraped off of matchbook covers), camp fuel and maybe, just maybe, a little water. Oh, yeah, I forgot the liquidfied ammonia.

Alright, since you know nothing about chemistry, let me scare you a bit too:

You know the aspirin you're taking? That's been made with salicylic acid (toxic antiseptic), acetic anhydride (highly corrosive fungicide), and concentrated phosphoric acid (used in producing fertilizers).

Your decaffeinated coffee? That's had flammable, carcinogenic methylene chloride in it.

Just about any chemical you put in you has come into contact with, or has been synthesized with disgusting nasty dangerous chemicals. Just because they were present once doesn't mean they're still there. And using meth is nothing like "snorting drano" (unless you have a very unscrupulous dealer who cuts your meth with sodium hydroxide!!) :)

I never claimed to know about chemistry, I just posted that based on what it was made of, I wouldn't touch it.

Yeah, Asprin is made like you said, so is de-caff coffee, however, they are made under strictly controlled conditions by reputable companies who are gonna get their asses sued off if they screw it up. Meth, on the other hand, is made by (typically) so poor, meth-head schmuck who went to wal-mart and wal-greens and the local hardward store and bought all the ingredients and whipped up a batch while he was fried on his kitchen stove or on a hotplate out in his garage some such situation and the controls to ensure precise measurment and controlled reactions and proper combinations, etc. are not present.