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Once, a friend and I were watching the flim "Wakiing Life" and we got into this rather scary conversation about Free Will and Detreminism. Then came this scene in the film where a man on T.V. is giving a lecture of sorts , he said " In hell you sink to the level of your lack of love. In heaven you rise to the level of your fullness of love." And for some reason those words just hit me. And after awile I told my friend I would like to go for a walk, so we went to park and we where just walking in silence, then something very strange started to happen, the crows (I have an affinity for corvids) were flying all around us and I mean very close, swooping down and flying circles around us like they were trying to get our attention. Then this one bird starting swooping over and over us and then it would fly up really high and do it again and as we watch this bird it would circle over this parked van. so we move over to the van and written on the window in the dust were the words "Love All", we both just started laughing, because this was some pretty weird shit. Of course we tried to dismiss it all as mere coincidence but when you put all the connections together it just doesn't seem to be just mere coincidence. I really don't know.

I've had other weird shit like that happen to me throughout my life, so i was just wondering if any serendipitous events happen to you or maybe you had some sort of peak experience or maybe an epiphany of sorts.

The problem with people is that we see patterns too easily. I'd chalk it up to chance, so, yeah. But I'm a skeptic.

Once, a friend and I were watching the flim "Wakiing Life" and we got into this rather scary conversation about Free Will and Detreminism. Then came this scene in the film where a man on T.V. is giving a lecture of sorts , he said " In hell you sink to the level of your lack of love. In heaven you rise to the level of your fullness of love." And for some reason those words just hit me. And after awile I told my friend I would like to go for a walk, so we went to park and we where just walking in silence, then something very strange started to happen, the crows (I have an affinity for corvids) were flying all around us and I mean very close, swooping down and flying circles around us like they were trying to get our attention. Then this one bird starting swooping over and over us and then it would fly up really high and do it again and as we watch this bird it would circle over this parked van. so we move over to the van and written on the window in the dust were the words "Love All", we both just started laughing, because this was some pretty weird shit. Of course we tried to dismiss it all as mere coincidence but when you put all the connections together it just doesn't seem to be just mere coincidence. I really don't know.

I've had other weird shit like that happen to me throughout my life, so i was just wondering if any serendipitous events happen to you or maybe you had some sort of peak experience or maybe an epiphany of sorts.

This from a nihilistic beginner?

I haven't experienced anything like this, none that I have attributed enough significance to to remember, at least.

There is a Deepak Chopra book on the subject, I believe. Titled "synchronicity", I think.

Well I doubt it was an 'epiphany' or 'life changer' occurance of synchronicity, but a person I know was hanging with friends using heated knives to consume cannabis, a proceedure all participating referred to as 'spotting'. Just as one likely lad was about to take his 'spot' the radio announcer came on in between songs and stated
"It's 5.30, spot on",
and apparently, once they stopped laughing (or as is more likely giggling inanely) they did...

The problem with people is that we see patterns too easily. I'd chalk it up to chance, so, yeah. But I'm a skeptic.

I agree with that, I read once in a book ( I am always reading stuff in books, amazing ) that the reason why childern see magic is because they go looking for it, they haven't lost the sense of wonder, their world is still one of the unknown and they rely heavily on the power of imagination.

You're probably also being hit by a vividness fallacy, seeing the movie made you notice the birds behavior and the van.

You're probably also being hit by a vividness fallacy, seeing the movie made you notice the birds behavior and the van.
Thats not a vividness fallacy, if I were to descibe something in vivid detail and then argue that it is a problem, then that would be a vividness fallacy. Sometimes our mind "tricks" us into seeing things we would usually ignore, though I think watching a video would have the opposite effect. In my practice I am trained to be acutely aware of the events and occurences going on around me, it something we are able to switch on and off, though most prefer to keep it off. But once you are conscious of this ability of yours, the world just seems to open up and yes you will see weird shit and you know you are going to try and see some patterns that might or might not be there and sometimes you just have fun with it.

Thats not a vividness fallacy, if I were to descibe something in vivid detail and then argue that it is a problem, then that would be a vividness fallacy. Sometimes our mind "tricks" us into seeing things we would usually ignore, though I think watching a video would have the opposite effect. In my practice I am trained to be acutely aware of the events and occurences going on around me, it something we are able to switch on and off, though most prefer to keep it off. But once you are conscious of this ability of yours, the world just seems to open up and yes you will see weird shit and you know you are going to try and see some patterns that might or might not be there and sometimes you just have fun with it.
Memory vividness.

Works like this:
Your Aunt Polly gets a flu shot and dies from the flue shot.
You don't get a flu shot because of the fear inspired by Aunt Polly.

It's kind of like that.

The problem with people is that we see patterns too easily. I'd chalk it up to chance, so, yeah. But I'm a skeptic.
This isn't a "problem" with people; this is exactly the ability that sets people apart form animals, and is responsible for the creation of such useful symbolism as is embodied in religion.

I agree with that, I read once in a book ( I am always reading stuff in books, amazing ) that the reason why childern see magic is because they go looking for it, they haven't lost the sense of wonder, their world is still one of the unknown and they rely heavily on the power of imagination.
If we could all be so wise as children...

This isn't a "problem" with people; this is exactly the ability that sets people apart form animals, and is responsible for the creation of such useful symbolism as is embodied in religion.

And its how we formed language too

And its how we formed language too
language being a sequence of symbols, indeed!

Once, a friend and I were watching the flim "Wakiing Life" and we got into this rather scary conversation about Free Will and Detreminism. Then came this scene in the film where a man on T.V. is giving a lecture of sorts , he said " In hell you sink to the level of your lack of love. In heaven you rise to the level of your fullness of love." And for some reason those words just hit me. And after awile I told my friend I would like to go for a walk, so we went to park and we where just walking in silence, then something very strange started to happen, the crows (I have an affinity for corvids) were flying all around us and I mean very close, swooping down and flying circles around us like they were trying to get our attention. Then this one bird starting swooping over and over us and then it would fly up really high and do it again and as we watch this bird it would circle over this parked van. so we move over to the van and written on the window in the dust were the words "Love All", we both just started laughing, because this was some pretty weird shit. Of course we tried to dismiss it all as mere coincidence but when you put all the connections together it just doesn't seem to be just mere coincidence. I really don't know.

I've had other weird shit like that happen to me throughout my life, so i was just wondering if any serendipitous events happen to you or maybe you had some sort of peak experience or maybe an epiphany of sorts.

What binds all things is love. Love for each human being. The love of the Creator for the creatures. It is difficult for me to describe what happened to you as mere coincidence, others may see it as a coincidence.



"The more love is expressed among mankind and the stronger the power of unity, the greater will be this reflection and revelation, for the greatest bestowal of God is love. Love is the source of all the bestowals of God. Until love takes possession of the heart no other divine bounty can be revealed in it.

All the prophets have striven to make love manifest in the hearts of men. His Holiness Jesus Christ sought to create this love in the hearts. He suffered all difficulties and ordeals that perchance the human heart might become the fountain-source of love. Therefore we must strive with all our heart and soul that this love may take possession of us so that all humanity whether it be in the east or in the west may be connected through the bond of this divine affection; for we are all the waves of one sea; we have come into being through the same bestowal and are recipients from the same center. The lights of earth are all acceptable, but the center of effulgence is the sun and we must direct our gaze to the sun. God is the supreme center. The more we turn toward this center of light, the greater will be our capacity.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 218)

If we could all be so wise as children...

I was just thinking about it..all those elements: curiousity, wonder, the unknown, the power of imagination, if you put action and transformation (change) in the mix, you get the Buddhist definition of faith.

... I was just wondering if any serendipitous events happen to you or maybe you had some sort of peak experience or maybe an epiphany of sorts.

More than I care to or can remember. I've also had a number of precognitive dreams, if those count.

More than I care to or can remember. I've also had a number of precognitive dreams, if those count.
Please share , just one, pretty please.

And after awile I told my friend I would like to go for a walk, so we went to park and we where just walking in silence, then something very strange started to happen, the crows (I have an affinity for corvids) were flying all around us and I mean very close, swooping down and flying circles around us like they were trying to get our attention. Then this one bird starting swooping over and over us and then it would fly up really high and do it again and as we watch this bird it would circle over this parked van. so we move over to the van and written on the window in the dust were the words "Love All", we both just started laughing, because this was some pretty weird shit.
This is the essence of divination; recognition of the sign.

The problem with people is that we see patterns too easily. I'd chalk it up to chance, so, yeah. But I'm a skeptic.
This is the essence of modern scientific thinking.

But once you are conscious of this ability of yours...
Say, rather: but once you are conscious of this ability, it is yours.

We own that which we recognize.

Please share , just one, pretty please.

Almost all of my "precognitive" dreams are about trivial things: situations or people in a certain scene lasting just a few minutes at most. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to control it, or I would try to "see" the winning numbers in the VA State lottery! :D

I just had one of those situations occur today, as a matter of fact. Just a portion of a conversation I had drempt about a week or so earlier. Same person, same situation, same conversation, same everything.

Almost all of my "precognitive" dreams are about trivial things: situations or people in a certain scene lasting just a few minutes at most. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to control it, or I would try to "see" the winning numbers in the VA State lottery! :D

I just had one of those situations occur today, as a matter of fact. Just a portion of a conversation I had drempt about a week or so earlier. Same person, same situation, same conversation, same everything.
I am curious if in any of your precognative dreams there is any sense of being able to alter the future that is presented to you.

What binds all things is love.
That is what we felt, that love was the connecting principle, my love for the birds, our love for each other and our mutual love of life

I've had odd experiences. Usually hallucinations as I'm trying to fall asleep. I write down what I hear when I'm able. The few times I have been able to, it's been something somebody said the next day. One time it was about a minute worth of speech, all identical.

I'm used to odd things though.

I have had several experiences like the dreams you spoke of.
Once when I was 14 (around 14 years ago)I had a dream that I was at the county fair frantically searching for my little brother who was about 10 at the time. I can still remember it vividly, I was in the parking lot which was a big field full of cars parked every which way. I was extremely sorrowful and running around looking for my little brother but all I saw was people looking at me like they felt sorry for me. Anyway I never told anyone about the dream and I had almost completely forgotten about it until I saw the exact picture that was burnt deep into my mind 2 years earlier in a dream. I remember the exact way the cars were parked and the color of the cars and most of all the sense of fear and missing my little brother Timmy. It hit me like a brick while we were laughing cracking jokes and excitedly walking from the car toward the fair. It's like there was a picture in my mind that exactly locked into place as I turned my head. I just knew that these were the cars, this was the time, and the place that I lost him in my dream 2 years ago. I told Timmy about the dejavu, the dream and how this was the time and the place of it, and he agreed that we would not leave each other's sight (even though he probably thought I was being stupid), he could tell that I was not joking and probably got a little freaked out when he saw a tear in my eye. Normally he would run off with his friends and I would run off with mine but that day, we stayed together. We had a great time together, we ended up in a giant group of kids ages 12 to 16. I never took my eye off of him and when we got home I said a prayer of thanks. I really appreciated still having him. Sound silly, well I was a little embarrased about the whole ordeal so I asked him not to tell anyone. Of course he did tell my mom, when she asked him if we got into any trouble at the fair. She said it must have been his guardian angel.... Who knows...

I thought that you might find this interesting from the Baha'i Writings.

The other manifestation of the powers and actions of the spirit is without instruments and organs. For example, in the state of sleep without eyes it sees, without an ear it hears, without a tongue it speaks, without feet it runs. Briefly, these actions are beyond the means of instruments and organs. How often it happens that it sees a dream in the world of sleep, and its signification becomes apparent two years afterwards in corresponding events. In the same way, how many times it happens that a question which one cannot solve in the world of wakefulness, is solved in the world of dreams. In wakefulness the eye sees only for a short distance, but in dreams he who is in the East sees the West: awake he sees the present, in sleep he sees the future. In wakefulness, by means of rapid transit, at the most he can travel only twenty farsakha an hour; in sleep, in the twinkling of an eye, he traverses the East and West. For the spirit travels in two different ways: without means, which is spiritual traveling; and with means, which is material traveling: as birds which fly, and those which are carried.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 326)

The first time I used a dictionary as an oracle was quite cute.

I was messing around with my g/f, not taking it seriously, and asked the question, "what's it all about, then? I let the dictionary fall open and picked a word at random from the open page using the old blindfold and pin method. Opened my eyes, and saw I'd chosen the word, "Love". Which we thought a bit slick on the part on the part of the dictionary, so we ignored it.

My g/f got a better result. She asked the question, "where am I going?" And got the answer, "Plymouth" (a city in SW England). Funny at the time, less funny now now she's found out her family name comes from a small village near Plymouth, and that one of my brothers has moved there along with one of my sisters. And that Plymouth is about the only place we could both find work in our respective fields outside London.

And then there's the story of how my son got his middle name ......

The first time I used a dictionary as an oracle was quite cute.

I was messing around with my g/f, not taking it seriously, and asked the question, "what's it all about, then? I let the dictionary fall open and picked a word at random from the open page using the old blindfold and pin method. Opened my eyes, and saw I'd chosen the word, "Love". Which we thought a bit slick on the part on the part of the dictionary, so we ignored it.

My g/f got a better result. She asked the question, "where am I going?" And got the answer, "Plymouth" (a city in SW England). Funny at the time, less funny now now she's found out her family name comes from a small village near Plymouth, and that one of my brothers has moved there along with one of my sisters. And that Plymouth is about the only place we could both find work in our respective fields outside London.

And then there's the story of how my son got his middle name ......

Is your son a gayboy?

Ignore Laborious Lollipops, he's just trying to piss everyone off.

Ignore Laborious Lollipops, he's just trying to piss everyone off.
No s**t, sherlock

Ignore Laborious Lollipops, he's just trying to piss everyone off.
Thanks for the heads up. ;)

I've had other weird shit like that happen to me throughout my life, so i was just wondering if any serendipitous events happen to you or maybe you had some sort of peak experience or maybe an epiphany of sorts.

I've had a number of odd synchronicities occur, mostly involving my SO.

My SO is from Britain, and one of our shared interests is interesting automobiles. When he first came here, we were driving, and he wanted me to explain about state license plates (things being arranged differently in the UK). I explained that one saw license plates from most of the US states, with one exception, and challenged him to guess which state. That state, obviously, is Hawaii, since people can't drive here from the islands and it's usually impractical to have one's car shipped over.

Minutes later, in traffic, I spotted a classic early '60s Corvette, and pulled up to get a better look at it.

It had Hawaii license plates.

(I can think of quite a few other odd coincidences like that -- never as many in my life as when I've been with him.)

I just read somewhere that the more you talk and think about these experiences the more you will notice them happening as regular occurences.

Once, a friend and I were watching the flim "Wakiing Life" and we got into this rather scary conversation about Free Will and Detreminism. Then came this scene in the film where a man on T.V. is giving a lecture of sorts , he said " In hell you sink to the level of your lack of love. In heaven you rise to the level of your fullness of love." And for some reason those words just hit me. And after awile I told my friend I would like to go for a walk, so we went to park and we where just walking in silence, then something very strange started to happen, the crows (I have an affinity for corvids) were flying all around us and I mean very close, swooping down and flying circles around us like they were trying to get our attention. Then this one bird starting swooping over and over us and then it would fly up really high and do it again and as we watch this bird it would circle over this parked van. so we move over to the van and written on the window in the dust were the words "Love All", we both just started laughing, because this was some pretty weird shit. Of course we tried to dismiss it all as mere coincidence but when you put all the connections together it just doesn't seem to be just mere coincidence. I really don't know.

I've had other weird shit like that happen to me throughout my life, so i was just wondering if any serendipitous events happen to you or maybe you had some sort of peak experience or maybe an epiphany of sorts.
Sorry, I didn't read all this.

Sorry, I didn't read all this.
'tis okay

The number 23 appears at random more than any other number besides 17 and 5.

The number 23 appears at random more than any other number besides 17 and 5.
It also has some eerie connections to the Bavarian Illuminati!
;)

I had a precon. dream about who stole my daybook. I suck at being a prophet. And it was 2 months in advance. Like thats useful.