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An example of just how twisted a person can be - the murder of a 14-year old girl by her psycho boyfriend:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4194463.stm

Edit: Here's a profile - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4187007.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4194463.stm

It's a worrying thing when I am unable to think of a punishment too harsh.

Ah. Talk to Lunatic Goofballs. He can help you with that, I'm sure.

Ah. Talk to Lunatic Goofballs. He can help you with that, I'm sure.

My comment was merely intended to draw attention to this article, and example of just how twisted a person can be.

It's a worrying thing when I am unable to think of a punishment too harsh.
Execution of the murderer, his parents, brothers sisters, aunts uncles and cousins (too harsh yet?)

My comment was merely intended to draw attention to this article, and example of just how twisted a person can be.

Lunatic Goofballs can provide you with such an example as well. :D

Execution of the murderer, his parents, brothers sisters, aunts uncles and cousins (too harsh yet?)

Good point. Punishments that punish innocent people are always too harsh. But as for the guy himself, I'd rather not try to think of a way. What's important is that he is locked away forever, where he cannot harm anyone else. *sigh* I wish this was guaranteed.

My comment was merely intended to draw attention to this article, and example of just how twisted a person can be.
That barely registers on the twisted meter. There was once this serial killer named Albert Fish who killed and ate children. He also used to like inserting needles into his groin, and lost a good number of them in there. I have a photo of one of his x rays. There were well over ten needles lost in there. Now that's twisted.

I do feel sorry for the family of the young girl who was murdered though. It's a terrible crime.

Good point. Punishments that punish innocent people are always too harsh. But as for the guy himself, I'd rather not try to think of a way. What's important is that he is locked away forever, where he cannot harm anyone else. *sigh* I wish this was guaranteed.
Wanna bet he is a free man before he hits 30?

That barely registers on the twisted meter. There was once this serial killer named Albert Fish who killed and ate children. He also used to like inserting needles into his groin, and lost a good number of them in there. I have a photo of one of his x rays. There were well over ten needles lost in there. Now that's twisted.

No shit.


I do feel sorry for the family of the young girl who was murdered though. It's a terrible crime.

The boy must have been psychopathic.

I hope his mother is sent down aswell for lying in court in order to provide an aliby for her murdering bastard of a son.

The boy must have been psychopathic.

I wonder how it is that he shows absolutely no emotion during this whole ordeal. It's as if he doesn't understand what the hell he was doing. Or worse, he thought she deserved it...though he hardly explained himself in the article.

He's a sociopath. They have no empathy toward others. The only times they act decently is when it serves them or to avoid punishment.

maybe he was bored, got a little drunk and desided to try something new...

An example of just how twisted a person can be - the murder of a 14-year old girl by her psycho boyfriend:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4194463.stm
A similar thing just happened in Minneapolis last week. A 13 year old girl vanished, and is found a few days later--frozen. With a bullet to her head.

You're not a mother are you? It's not so easy to condemn your child.

There are worse, more disgusting crimes than this, I don't see why it's notable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4187007.stm

You're not a mother are you? It's not so easy to condemn your child.


Oh, that's a great excuse. Now people are let off because their motives were emotional!

There are worse, more disgusting crimes than this, I don't see why it's notable.

Well, personally I think people getting murdered is something bad.

Oh great, they're highlighting his interest in Marilyn Manson's music and art. Well at least it'll be good for record sales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4187007.stm
Im no psychiatrist but I believe the technical term is "nutjob"

I only have one thing to say about this. WHAT A FUCKING BASTARD!! :gundge: :gundge: :gundge: :gundge:

What I am wondering now is , if this young man is a sociopath, how exactly can prison be expected to rehabilitate him?

What I am wondering now is , if this young man is a sociopath, how exactly can prison be expected to rehabilitate him?

It can't. Imprisonment can only serve to protect the public.

What I am wondering now is , if this young man is a sociopath, how exactly can prison be expected to rehabilitate him?
It can't. The best you can hope for is that he won't be released until he's so old and feeble that he's no longer a threat. Unfortunately, he'll probably be released in his late twenties.

It can't. Imprisonment can only serve to protect the public.
Indeed, but if rehabiliation is not possible then how can release be contemplated?

It can't. The best you can hope for is that he won't be released until he's so old and feeble that he's no longer a threat. Unfortunately, he'll probably be released in his late twenties.
great british justice (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1402527.stm)

They don't have the death penalty over there do they?

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I don't think sociopaths and pedophiles can be "reabilitated." I recall reading an article by a medical specialist which maintined that it has to do with brain chemistry, possibly as a side-effect of fetal alcohol syndrome.

One thing is sure ... there are a number of people like this running about loose.

EDIT: Just for the record, if this happened to a female member of my family, there would be no necessity for the State to incarcerate the remains.

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I don't think sociopaths and pedophiles can be "reabilitated." I recall reading an article by a medical specialist which maintined that it has to do with brain chemistry, possibly as a side-effect of fetal alcohol syndrome.

One thing is sure ... there are a number of people like this running about loose.

I don't know about paedophiles, but sociopaths certainly can't. Kids should be tested for this as early as possible, in order to protect the public.

I don't know about paedophiles, but sociopaths certainly can't. Kids should be tested for this as early as possible, in order to protect the public.

I'm not sure there's any way to test for that sort of thing just yet. :(

EDIT: Pedophiles are notorious for being incapable of rehabilitation. Here in the US, there are even laws which require convicted pedophiles to register with the local police if they move.

They don't have the death penalty over there do they?
No , over 60% of the UK population want the death penalty to be available but our politicians ignore us cos "they know best"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/crime/_story/0,13260,942118,00.html

.... maybe

No , over 60% of the UK population want the death penalty to be available but our politicians ignore us cos "they know best"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/crime/_story/0,13260,942118,00.html

Are your politicians democrats??? ;)

EDIT: Just for the record, if this happened to a female member of my family, there would be no necessity for the State to incarcerate the remains.
Defending your home, yourself or your family with lethal force in the UK meets with great british justice (http://www.edp24.co.uk/Content/News/Index/TonyMartin.asp)

Are your politicians democrats??? ;(
So they tell us.
edit- heh just realised you are probably using the american party political meaning of "Democrats"

Defending your home, yourself or your family with lethal force in the UK meets with great british justice (http://www.edp24.co.uk/Content/News/Index/TonyMartin.asp)

In many States here, including my own North Carolina, it would be virtually impossible to find a jury who would convict you for defending your self, home, or family, especially family.

Defending your home, yourself or your family with lethal force in the UK meets with great british justice (http://www.edp24.co.uk/Content/News/Index/TonyMartin.asp)

That reminds me, have they prosecuted that old man who tried to defend himself and his wife with a samurai sword, but got stabbed in the hand with a screwdriver?

Well, the politicians of Europe are more liberal then those of the US. Some of the conservatives in Europe can give a liberal democrat a run for his money...

And I hate it when the news media does a profile and they bring up what that person was interested in, be it music, video games, whatever...

I'm a big gamer, be it table-top rpgs, wargames, FPS, RTS, or whatever...plus I listen to a lot of hard rock and punk...yet you don't see me going around killing people or whatever...

In my mind, the only thing that matters about why they did it is if they're mentally ill or not. Other than that, they made the decision to...and why they made that decision doesn't matter.

In many States here, including my own North Carolina, it would be virtually impossible to find a jury who would convict you for defending your self, home, or family, especially family.

As much as people criticize it, the US does have its good points.

In many States here, including my own North Carolina, it would be virtually impossible to find a jury who would convict you for defending your self, home, or family, especially family.
always assuming the jury felt safe to deliver the verdict of their choice
Intimidation (http://www.guardian.co.uk/martin/article/0,2763,214329,00.html)

great british justice (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1402527.stm)

heh. well, what sucks is the guy who broke into this lady's home, fell through the floor and landed on a knife...and then sued the woman and WON!

Justice in the US suffered a major blow that day...

That reminds me, have they prosecuted that old man who tried to defend himself and his wife with a samurai sword, but got stabbed in the hand with a screwdriver?
I just double checked , cant find anything saying he was charged.

always assuming the jury felt safe to deliver the verdict of their choice
Intimidation (http://www.guardian.co.uk/martin/article/0,2763,214329,00.html)

Heh! In NC, especially if you luck out and get a jury comprised mostly of "Good-ole-boys," they would probably shoot a prosecutor who tried to intimidate them! LOL!

I have al lil sign next to my porch: "Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again. ( Premises protected by Smith & Wesson. )." :D

heh. well, what sucks is the guy who broke into this lady's home, fell through the floor and landed on a knife...and then sued the woman and WON!


I think that there should be a crime called "attempting to sue someone for something stupid that was the accuser's own fault". The punishment would be giving money to the person you tried to sue.

I have al lil sign next to my porch: "Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again. ( Premises protected by Smith & Wesson. )." :D
You can probably guess at least one of the reasons why I am pro-US ;)

You can probably guess at least one of the reasons why I am pro-US ;)

LOL! Yup! North Carolina has a really strong tradition of supporting individual and family rights to self-protection. We have a concealed carry law here too, and I have a license to carry my handgun either openly or concealed. NC is like close to heaven for us old veteran types. :)

I just double checked , cant find anything saying he was charged.

I hope that's not just because they haven't got around to it yet. It's ridiculous that someone should have to justify picking up the samurai sword rather than another household item (or worse, not arming oneself at all).

I hope that's not just because they haven't got around to it yet. It's ridiculous that someone should have to justify picking up the samurai sword rather than another household item (or worse, not arming oneself at all).
Well the thing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/4168877.stm) is
the burglars havent been caught, so the police couldnt charge the man with assault (assault of who?) also the old man was himself injured with a weapon, so even under the pisspoor law of the land it could be argued he was using reasonable force.

Now for my two cents.

I think it wrong that the article took up his interests and seemed to connect them with the thing he did. It does not necessarily make him a killer. Second, as for what he said about Satan and such; so what? I have a friend that is that way, and he is a perfectly nice guy. Why do people always have to think other people are bad and evil just because they listen to a certain kind of music (=are not like the 'norm')? Hey, even I listen to hardcore punk sometimes because it suits my mood... And for the death penalty. Now, I am a Swede, and we haven't had the death penalty since 1921 (in peacetime, -72 in war) and nobody has been convicted since 1908. I find it very strange that some people think other people deserve to die, just because they did something disliked by society. Okay, imprisonment, but death? I think everyone has some good somewhere inside them; maybe it is naïve, but I really do believe that nobody is utterly and thouroghly evil and can never ever change from that. It just doesn't fit with my view of the world. (And that no human is utterly and thouroughly good either, but that's another story.) Also, the terms 'good' and 'evil' are subjective, and change from person to person. Some people claim 9/11 was a 'good' thing done by heroic martyrs, other condemn it as an 'evil' act of terror. Which is true? Is it right to fight invaders that take 'your' land, or to let them settle and take over? Is the Iraq War a 'good' or an 'evil' thing? Nothing is ever right or wrong, good or evil, black or white. It's all a matter of opinions. Mine can here be summarized as

1. It is wrong to judge someone by their interests only.
2. The death penalty is wrong.
3. Nothing is ever, and cannot thusly be regarded as, 'good' or 'evil'. (At least not objectively.)

and finally, 4. All people have some good inside them.

That was my two cents. Now tell me what you think.

something disliked by society.
This is violent murder you are talking about.

I think everyone has some good somewhere inside them; maybe it is naïve, but I really do believe that nobody is utterly and thouroghly evil and can never ever change from that.
You are not familiar with the concept of a sociopath? They have a "lack of empathy for the suffering of others. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath)"


3. Nothing is ever, and cannot thusly be regarded as, 'good' or 'evil'. (At least not objectively.)

How about - being nice to people is good, harming them is evil?


4. All people have some good inside them.

Your claim that there is no such thing as good and evil contradicts this point.

This is violent murder you are talking about.

It still, in my subjective opinion, does not justify a death sentence.

You are not familiar with the concept of a sociopath? They have a "lack of empathy for the suffering of others."

That does not make you 'evil'. 'Evil' people are not 'evil' just for the fun of it, but for a reason. Like in fantasy books "haha, i am an evil overlord, i will now torture you until you die because i'm evil".

How about - being nice to people is good, harming them is evil?

Subjective ideas. (I agree to this, of course, but it still is subjective.) Some people may like sacrificing animals, then that is 'good' to them but 'evil' to others because they have agreed on that it is regarded as 'evil'.

Your claim that there is no such thing as good and evil contradicts this point.

I am, of course, subjective, and forgot to put ' ' around 'good' and to clarify the point that I do agree that being nice to people should be encouraged, but that is my subjective idea. All clear?

That does not make you 'evil'. 'Evil' people are not 'evil' just for the fun of it, but for a reason. Like in fantasy books "haha, i am an evil overlord, i will now torture you until you die because i'm evil".

No, but it does mean that they're not just some misguided youth who is going to repent. I'm not arguing for the death penalty, I'm trying to let you understand that this is a serious crime by a very dangerous criminal.

A-ha.

I do not fully agree, mostly because he has only done it once and at a very young age. However, he does need some kind of help, but I think it wrong to try and force it upon him before just because people thought he was strange...
You have a point, and I should have remembered the many incidents with mentally ill people here in Sweden over the last few years. (murder of foreign minister being the most known), but still. These people need help, not being locked away for life in a dark cell, BUT it should not be forced upon them unless it is clear that they are in the risk zone (like foreign minister murderer, heard voices telling him to kill, sought help and was refused because there was no place in the ward plus he was not deemed 'ill enough'...)

A-ha.

I do not fully agree, mostly because he has only done it once and at a very young age. However, he needs some kind of help, but I think it wrong to try and force it upon him before just because people thought he was strange...
You have a point, and I should have remembered the many incidents with mentally ill people here in Sweden over the last few years. (murder of foreign minister being the most known), but still. These people need help, not being locked away for life in a dark cell.

I don't know if antisocial personality disorder can be helped. I think it might be caused by physical brain problems - the parts that deal with empathy do not function.

I don't know if antisocial personality disorder can be helped. I think it might be caused by physical brain problems - the parts that deal with empathy do not function.

Neither do I. And then there's no real point in continuing to discuss it, is there?

I had a friend that was a sociopath. In Kintergarden he pushed me off the jungle jim, broken nose. Kick my sister in the stomach, I punched him in the face and he grabbed a fucking kitchen knife and tried to stab me.

He's in some mental hospital now.

No , over 60% of the UK population want the death penalty to be available but our politicians ignore us cos "they know best"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/crime/_story/0,13260,942118,00.html

Shame really, considering I'm in that 40% who don't want it.

Ah well.

No accounting for logic in today's society.