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Full transcript here (http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/bush.transcript/index.html)

Due to copyrights, I simply wrote down my thoughts as they came while I was reading the transcript. Sorry if it's hard to follow, but I don't want to get n00ked by the mods for quoting every other paragraph. :D

Hmm...if you're talking about bringing freedom to Iraq there, isn't it kind of contradictory to be bringing freedom through martial law and curfews? Oops, that's right, you thought we were going to be greeted by flowers...

Ironic that there are going to be curfews on Iraqi Election Day, too. Yeah, some freedom you're expanding there. Maybe we should learn how to count our own ballots first (FL 2000, now WA 2004) :rolleyes:

Only those who haven't been born yet have rights. If you're already born, we'll just throw you to the wolves...or better yet, bomb you.

Uh, Mr. President, we were the last industrialized nation to abolish slavery, and unlike more civilized nations such as Britain, we had to fight a civil war to do it. You need to go back to school and brush up on history.

So if Iraq elects an ultratheocratic government, will we just pack up and leave? Somehow I doubt it. :rolleyes:

Well, Mr. President, since you ran your re-election campaign on "Christian values," time to crack open that Bible you swore the oath of office on. (For the record, I have NIV.) Specifically, Mr. President, you will want to look at Luke 6:41-42:

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, "Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye, when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Hmmm...most of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay still have not even had a hearing to determine if there is enough (or for that matter, any) evidence to justify holding them incommunicado. Might this be the plank in your eye, Mr. President? Keep that in mind when talking about oppression.

If the call of freedom comes to every mind and every soul, why do they hate us for our freedoms?

Regarding his message to "fellow citizens:"

Trying some recruitment tricks because Army recruiters are having difficulties with tough questions about stop-loss? Declining enlistments got you down? Are you trying to avoid having to spend your political capital on the draft by smooth-talking us young people now? I'm not gonna fall for it. Sorry.

Oh, and I'll believe your "uniter" platitudes when you actually admit you made a mistake to a Democrat. Your inability to admit a mistake is why so many hate you with such fury.

I posted this on another thread, but it is the truth and applies here:
George W Bush has spoken, and his words prepare us for the final push towards the last Holy Crusade. He has taken on the Pagans in afghanistan and iraq and soon the Holy American Army will march on the rest of the Pagan hordes across arabia. This is all in preparation for the Christian Crusade to retake the Holy lands in the name of Christianity and the true God and Christ the Messiah.
Once the belivers of false religions are cast out of the Holy lands, George W. Bush will make the last move, and the Holy American Army will take Jerusalem in the name of Christianity and our saviour Jesus Christ will come again and enter the City.
George Bush is a Prophet.

I posted this on another thread, but it is the truth and applies here:
George W Bush has spoken, and his words prepare us for the final push towards the last Holy Crusade. He has taken on the Pagans in afghanistan and iraq and soon the Holy American Army will march on the rest of the Pagan hordes across arabia. This is all in preparation for the Christian Crusade to retake the Holy lands in the name of Christianity and the true God and Christ the Messiah.
Once the belivers of false religions are cast out of the Holy lands, George W. Bush will make the last move, and the Holy American Army will take Jerusalem in the name of Christianity and our saviour Jesus Christ will come again and enter the City.
George Bush is a Prophet.
Err, yeah...
*backs off a bit*

Due to copyrights, I simply wrote down my thoughts as they came while I was reading the transcript. Sorry if it's hard to follow, but I don't want to get n00ked by the mods for quoting every other paragraph. :D
Well, as I understand copyright, the speech by Bush is part of the public domain, and you can quote as much of it as you wish. Now, if this was just CNN article, you should only quote parts of it.

I posted this on another thread, but it is the truth and applies here:
George W Bush has spoken, and his words prepare us for the final push towards the last Holy Crusade. He has taken on the Pagans in afghanistan and iraq and soon the Holy American Army will march on the rest of the Pagan hordes across arabia. This is all in preparation for the Christian Crusade to retake the Holy lands in the name of Christianity and the true God and Christ the Messiah.
Once the belivers of false religions are cast out of the Holy lands, George W. Bush will make the last move, and the Holy American Army will take Jerusalem in the name of Christianity and our saviour Jesus Christ will come again and enter the City.
George Bush is a Prophet.

So, then when is the Rapture going to occur?

I do not claim to know. Nor should you be so certain of this, for only the Father knows. And Jesus warned against wolves in sheeps' clothing.

History is full of people who thought the world was going to end on x date, only for time to go on.

Well, as I understand copyright, the speech by Bush is part of the public domain, and you can quote as much of it as you wish. Now, if this was just CNN article, you should only quote parts of it.

I think you're right, and I originally started to do it paragraph by paragraph, but then I decided to play it safe. Maybe a mod ruling on quoting transcripts?

Concerning the Bush Inauguration...

The lady who sang the national anthem at the beginning.. Her face looked really fake.

I posted this on another thread, but it is the truth and applies here:
George W Bush has spoken, and his words prepare us for the final push towards the last Holy Crusade. He has taken on the Pagans in afghanistan and iraq and soon the Holy American Army will march on the rest of the Pagan hordes across arabia. This is all in preparation for the Christian Crusade to retake the Holy lands in the name of Christianity and the true God and Christ the Messiah.
Once the belivers of false religions are cast out of the Holy lands, George W. Bush will make the last move, and the Holy American Army will take Jerusalem in the name of Christianity and our saviour Jesus Christ will come again and enter the City.
George Bush is a Prophet.

Is this a rib?

Is this a rib?
I dunno, he's done a couple of these, but I can't tell if he's serious or not.

So, then when is the Rapture going to occur?

I do not claim to know. Nor should you be so certain of this, for only the Father knows. And Jesus warned against wolves in sheeps' clothing.

History is full of people who thought the world was going to end on x date, only for time to go on.

I do not know when the Rapture will occur, only that it is God's will that it Will occur.
Also there can be no way of knowing how long the Crusade upon the Holy land will last, but I know today that George W. Bush has launched the offensive.
God never said that the world would end, only that Christ would return.

Is this a rib?
No, God created Woman from a rib.
This is a post.
Duh.

I do not know when the Rapture will occur, only that it is God's will that it Will occur.
Also there can be no way of knowing how long the Crusade upon the Holy land will last, but I know today that George W. Bush has launched the offensive.
God never said that the world would end, only that Christ would return.

Hmm...this is not, to borrow your term, the first "Crusade." Of the several Crusades launched in medieval times, only one was even moderately successful--and then only for a short time. Were said Crusades the result of God's will, or the greed of men? Seeing as the fruits of those Crusades were lacking, I would have to surmise the latter.

So is this Crusade God's will, or the will of the greed of the flesh? Every day, it looks more and more like the latter...

No, God created Woman from a rib.
This is a post.
Duh.

Please don't 'DUH' me when you are proclaiming that this man will lead the world into peace and the return of Christ.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/bogstonia/bushghost1.jpg

Hmm...this is not, to borrow your term, the first "Crusade." Of the several Crusades launched in medieval times, only one was even moderately successful--and then only for a short time. Were said Crusades the result of God's will, or the greed of men? Seeing as the fruits of those Crusades were lacking, I would have to surmise the latter.

So is this Crusade God's will, or the will of the greed of the flesh? Every day, it looks more and more like the latter...
I never said it was the first Crusade, is English your second language?
It is the LAST Crusade.
Men's greed exist onlt as long as it serves God's will.
The fruits of the Holy American Crusade are eternal salvation.

Please don't 'DUH' me when you are proclaiming that this man will lead the world into peace and the return of Christ.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/bogstonia/bushghost1.jpg

I apologize for the Duh, I did not mean to offend.
I don't know why God has selected him, only that he has.
If we had pictures of Moses there would probably be pictures of him doing something that appears silly at first glance.

I never said it was the first Crusade, is English your second language?
It is the LAST Crusade.
Men's greed exist onlt as long as it serves God's will.
The fruits of the Holy American Crusade are eternal salvation.

You didn't say it was the first or the last Crusade, at least until now. You just said it was a holy Crusade.

Don't ESL me--English is my native language. I was drawing a historical comparison.

Now, how can you be 100% certain that this is the last Crusade? Are you claiming to know that which only God can know, or is it only a prediction?

That, and if this is a Holy American Crusade, show me the millions of Iraqis converting from Islam to Christianity (and no, I don't mean the Chaldeans, who are a small minority) :rolleyes:

and now its time for my thoughts on the coronation -

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/anarchosinsacto2.jpg

I apologize for the Duh, I did not mean to offend.
I don't know why God has selected him, only that he has.
If we had pictures of Moses there would probably be pictures of him doing something that appears silly at first glance.

That's cool, I take back my zing.

So why do you think George Bush is the guy to do all this? Why not Tony Blair or Bill Gates? Why him in particular?

You didn't say it was the first or the last Crusade, at least until now. You just said it was a holy Crusade.

Don't ESL me--English is my native language. I was drawing a historical comparison.

Now, how can you be 100% certain that this is the last Crusade? Are you claiming to know that which only God can know, or is it only a prediction?

That, and if this is a Holy American Crusade, show me the millions of Iraqis converting from Islam to Christianity (and no, I don't mean the Chaldeans, who are a small minority) :rolleyes:

Not to belabour the point, I refer you to post number two in this thread where I most clearly stated:
George W Bush has spoken, and his words prepare us for the final push towards the last Holy Crusade
You may want to polish up those "native language" skills.
I do not predict God. However I know this is an overwheming force against
the Arab occupiers of the Holy Lands. If the Holy American Army does not return victorious then it will not happen in my lifetime.

What does the number of converts in Iraq have to do with the Crusade?
If anything it is a credit to todays enlightenment that they have the opportunity to convert. Those who convert will be saved, those who do not will burn with their lord Satan for eternity. It makes no difference to the Crusaders.

and now its time for my thoughts on the coronation -

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/anarchosinsacto2.jpg
That is such an awesome sign!!

http://www.raisethefist.com/anarchy.jpg
!

http://www.raisethefist.com/anarchy.jpg
!

you should img tag that. and awww, it appears that rtf is still down for legal shit. those bastards.

That's cool, I take back my zing.

So why do you think George Bush is the guy to do all this? Why not Tony Blair or Bill Gates? Why him in particular?
Because George Bush has the ability afforded his position to accomplish the task. Tont Blair will do whatever George Bush says, such is the way of those who follow God's will.
Bill Gates......I cant imagine anyone following him on a Crusade to "free" a donut shop in North Dakota, let alone the Promised Land.

Because George Bush has the ability afforded his position to accomplish the task. Tont Blair will do whatever George Bush says, such is the way of those who follow God's will.
Bill Gates......I cant imagine anyone following him on a Crusade to "free" a donut shop in North Dakota, let alone the Promised Land.

OK, assuming George Bush does have that ability (I'll give you he certainly has the power to do it more than anyone else) what makes you think he will actually do it? Do you really think his capabilities as president extend that far?

Not to belabour the point, I refer you to post number two in this thread where I most clearly stated:

You may want to polish up those "native language" skills.
I do not predict God. However I know this is an overwheming force against
the Arab occupiers of the Holy Lands. If the Holy American Army does not return victorious then it will not happen in my lifetime.

What does the number of converts in Iraq have to do with the Crusade?
If anything it is a credit to todays enlightenment that they have the opportunity to convert. Those who convert will be saved, those who do not will burn with their lord Satan for eternity. It makes no difference to the Crusaders.

OK, I missed that...it's almost 4 am here and I need to go to bed. So you can lay off the technical ESL crap now.

What, in your opinion, would be the point of the Crusade if not to win converts? I would think that God (if He has in fact divinely ordained this) would care about the outcome, even if individual pawns (soldiers) do not.

I won't be able to respond until tomorrow night, as it's bedtime for me.

you should img tag that. and awww, it appears that rtf is still down for legal shit. those bastards.
yeah...
:(

OK, I missed that...it's almost 4 am here and I need to go to bed. So you can lay off the technical ESL crap now.

What, in your opinion, is the point of the Crusade if not to win converts? I would think that God (if He has in fact divinely ordained this) would care about the outcome, even if individual pawns (soldiers) do not.

I won't be able to respond until tomorrow night, as it's bedtime for me.

Fair enough, I apologize, I felt you were misquoting me intentionally.
It's late here too. I wasn't trying to be rude.
A Crusade of the Holy Land has never been about winning converts, that is just an added bonus. The quest is to take the land back in the name of Chistianity.
Sleep well.

Fair enough, I apologize, I felt you were misquoting me intentionally.
It's late here too. I wasn't trying to be rude.
A Crusade of the Holy Land has never been about winning converts, that is just an added bonus. The quest is to take the land back in the name of Chistianity.
Sleep well.

George Bush is going to invade Israel now? :eek:

I never said it was the first Crusade, is English your second language?
It is the LAST Crusade.
Men's greed exist onlt as long as it serves God's will.
The fruits of the Holy American Crusade are eternal salvation.
I was under the impression that the Last Crusade involved Indiana Jones.

Jesus would have been cooler with a bullwhip and a hat.

George Bush is going to invade Israel now? :eek:

Probably. He will n00k teh world :D

/sarcasm off

It was a bit too much in my oppinion. Does he really know the full meaning of the word freedom?

The part of the inaugural that I thought was strange was the protests, or lack thereof.

Some groups got permits - before the President's inaugural committee - and set up nice stands, loudspeakers, etc. But, for some reason, those stands NEVER were full. Other protesters were at other positions, but they didn't get much of a message out, because a few of them played around trying to take down the security barriers, so they got pepper sprayed hard.

And, later in the night, when it was all over, another parade of people marched through a neighborhood that isn't even remotely Republican (if there's a Republican living in Adams Morgan, they must be alone). Of course, instead of trashing a Republican neighborhood in the suburbs, they trashed a trendy gay Democratic neighborhood, smashing windows and spraypainting buildings and getting arrested.

On the news, and in the eyes of some friends who live in that neighborhood, the protesters were complete assholes.

Please don't 'DUH' me when you are proclaiming that this man will lead the world into peace and the return of Christ.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/bogstonia/bushghost1.jpg
Of course, you cannot forget to notice John Kerry's face in the shrubbery...

Of course, you cannot forget to notice John Kerry's face in the shrubbery...

Where?

Where?
http://img153.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img153&image=face7jp.png
I circled it

The bit in his speech about keeping the man freedom from another man, does not deserve freedom himself, was interesting, as he has people locked up in Gunatanamo Bay without trial.

Hmm...this is not, to borrow your term, the first "Crusade." Of the several Crusades launched in medieval times, only one was even moderately successful--and then only for a short time. Were said Crusades the result of God's will, or the greed of men? Seeing as the fruits of those Crusades were lacking, I would have to surmise the latter.

So is this Crusade God's will, or the will of the greed of the flesh? Every day, it looks more and more like the latter...

or the will of a country to free another country. cripes. i imagine the will of the silent majority (read: the ones who aren't suicide-bombing American and Iraqi alike) will speak loudly on election day in Iraq. Actually, I fear that once the Shi'a gain control, they'll wickedly oppress the minority Sunnis, who lorded it over the Shi'a for 50 (?) years while Sunni Ba'athists (sp?) were in control (Saddam was one of them).

as for counting votes in Fla in 2000... Florida statutes set guidelines for how long a county could go on counting votes before they had to be turned in. (or have we forgotten the necessity for the rule of law?)

or the will of a country to free another country. cripes. i imagine the will of the silent majority (read: the ones who aren't suicide-bombing American and Iraqi alike) will speak loudly on election day in Iraq. Actually, I fear that once the Shi'a gain control, they'll wickedly oppress the minority Sunnis, who lorded it over the Shi'a for 50 (?) years while Sunni Ba'athists (sp?) were in control (Saddam was one of them).

as for counting votes in Fla in 2000... Florida statutes set guidelines for how long a county could go on counting votes before they had to be turned in. (or have we forgotten the necessity for the rule of law?)

It would not surprise me to see Shiite victory in Iraq by an 80-20 margin, but what if turnout is only 20%? Can the election be considered legitimate if the people barely whisper?

And yes, there will not be freedom in Iraq long-term because Iraqis oppressed under Saddam are too eager for revenge. Ultimately one dictatorship will replace another :(

Regarding FL 2000, it really shouldn't have taken them that long to figure out which chads to count in the first place :D

or the will of a country to free another country. cripes. i imagine the will of the silent majority (read: the ones who aren't suicide-bombing American and Iraqi alike) will speak loudly on election day in Iraq. Actually, I fear that once the Shi'a gain control, they'll wickedly oppress the minority Sunnis, who lorded it over the Shi'a for 50 (?) years while Sunni Ba'athists (sp?) were in control (Saddam was one of them).


Perhaps they would if there ever are free democratic elections in Iraq, but I don't think that's going to be the case in this one.

Not to belabour the point, I refer you to post number two in this thread where I most clearly stated:

You may want to polish up those "native language" skills.
I do not predict God. However I know this is an overwheming force against
the Arab occupiers of the Holy Lands. If the Holy American Army does not return victorious then it will not happen in my lifetime.

What does the number of converts in Iraq have to do with the Crusade?
If anything it is a credit to todays enlightenment that they have the opportunity to convert. Those who convert will be saved, those who do not will burn with their lord Satan for eternity. It makes no difference to the Crusaders.

The Evil Crusade you spoke of will not occur in your lifetime, because the United States of America and other enemies of freedom will be beaten by the Global Liberation Army.

Pseudo-dualistic claptrap. Christian mythology. Feh.

Tell me the one about Jack and the Beanstalk.

I apologize for the Duh, I did not mean to offend.
I don't know why God has selected him, only that he has.
If we had pictures of Moses there would probably be pictures of him doing something that appears silly at first glance.

Uh at first glance? Pardon me If I dont get the glourious motive behind looking through a pair of binoculars with the covers still on.

My problem with his speech was when he kept emphasizing freedom, etc. and how we would help out, yadda yadda.

Well, Mr. President - when are we going to help the people in Tibet?

In the Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People Bush says,

"Tonight we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done."

He also said, "Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html

Yeah, sure, so THAT'S why the identity of a CIA agent undercover was exposed by someone in the Bush administration. Well golly, sign me right up! Our budget is so unbalanced it's not even near amusing, we're still over in Iraq with more of our soldiers being killed each day, Republicans are beginning to question the President, significant cuts to the educational system is being made, social security could be reformed, what happened in Ohio is being questioned, Rice isn't going to be the Sec. of State until Wednesday (since it was delayed), and we're looking at potential threats from Iran, North Korea, etc. while we already have things going on in Afghanistan.

Bush has placed a lot of importance on the upcoming Iraqi elections. I think it'll be a pitfall. Even if there is a "successful" election, the soldiers will see more bloodshed and more families will be getting that knock on the door or telephone call. The Iraqi military isn't up to par - insurgents keep picking them off. I have a buddy over in Iraq now and it's scary! It's estimated that we spend $1 billion over there each WEEK. The U.S. now has over 1,000 troops in Asia for the tsunami relief. Don't get me wrong because ALL of those people and their loved ones and friends have my condolences. The earthquake and tsunami created a horrible tragedy. However, the U.S. military is overextended. We see this with National Guard and Reservists going over there and soldiers being forced to stay or return even after their term of service is finished. How is this feat of fighting for freedom supposed to happen? Not to mention it's made the U.S. more vulnerable for terrorism to happen here.

The bit in his speech about keeping the man freedom from another man, does not deserve freedom himself, was interesting, as he has people locked up in Gunatanamo Bay without trial.

Exactly.
The Patroit Act is the worst thing Bush ever did, make it throughly legal to throw someone in a prison without commiting a crime. The only thing they did was get branded a terrorist by the dep. of defense. Oh and the def. of a terrorist according to the dep of defense: There is none.......

And another thing...

In Bush's speech he mentioned in the opening lines the "giving of blood" as a good thing.

Does anyone see a double meaning?

And another thing...

In Bush's speech he mentioned in the opening lines the "giving of blood" as a good thing.

Does anyone see a double meaning?

Yeah. As I'm 19, I see that as a hint of draft. I need to see a shrink and see if I can get Prozac or something (I was on Ritalin years ago). *pukes*

And another thing...

In Bush's speech he mentioned in the opening lines the "giving of blood" as a good thing.

Does anyone see a double meaning?
*shudder* Yeah. If a conscription notice DOES go out, I wonder if it'll be for women as well... *peeks out beneath blankets*

I posted this on another thread, but it is the truth and applies here:
George W Bush has spoken, and his words prepare us for the final push towards the last Holy Crusade. He has taken on the Pagans in afghanistan and iraq and soon the Holy American Army will march on the rest of the Pagan hordes across arabia. This is all in preparation for the Christian Crusade to retake the Holy lands in the name of Christianity and the true God and Christ the Messiah.
Once the belivers of false religions are cast out of the Holy lands, George W. Bush will make the last move, and the Holy American Army will take Jerusalem in the name of Christianity and our saviour Jesus Christ will come again and enter the City.
George Bush is a Prophet.

Jesus' message: Peace, acceptance, compassion to all, etc.
Bush's actions: Kill, ignore, kill, kill, kill, etc.

Hmmmm. . .

_Nik

I only saw some of it, I thought Hillary Clinton looked absoutley raging!!