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Well, since people here know practically anything, I'm wondering what US hacking laws are?

That is to say, what a person can or can't get away with on a non-governmental level?

Also, what are the laws on harrasment done over the web, especially if done from a college campus computer?

Well, since people here know practically anything, I'm wondering what US hacking laws are?

That is to say, what a person can or can't get away with on a non-governmental level?

Also, what are the laws on harrasment done over the web, especially if done from a college campus computer?
Oh. Who did you harras?

Oh. Who did you harras?

More like "who's harrassing people I know"

More like "who's harrassing people I know"
You?

You?

...NO, Von. Some asshat has been doing a number of things to a friend of mine, and I'm trying to figure out how to hit him without...you know, actually HITTING him.

...which I might do, if I know his name...>_>

Oh, come on. I'm sure SOMEONE here knows.

Oh, come on. I'm sure SOMEONE here knows.
Ooh ooh! Pick me!
Oh wait, nevermind.
Sorry, I can't help you out here...

Uh I dont know the hacking laws or anything but cant he find some way of stopping this person?

Uh I dont know the hacking laws or anything but cant he find some way of stopping this person?

It's interstate-said people are doing the activities from a college campus, and the college so far has refused to do anything about it. Same with law officials.

Oh, and it isn't purely online-there have been phone calls and such as well.

It's interstate-said people are doing the activities from a college campus, and the college so far has refused to do anything about it. Same with law officials.

Oh, and it isn't purely online-there have been phone calls and such as well.

So they have been harrasing him? screw the college call the cops, i think they will make the college sit up quickly. He still should upgrade his security if he did get hacked.

So they have been harrasing him? screw the college call the cops, i think they will make the college sit up quickly. He still should upgrade his security if he did get hacked.

The problem is, the local police in that area arn't doing anything either.

I already know HOW they could catch the people too, but it sounds like both law enforcement and the college are just too fucking lazy to do anything. That's why I'm trying to find this stuff

The problem is, the local police in that area arn't doing anything either.

I already know HOW they could catch the people too, but it sounds like both law enforcement and the college are just too fucking lazy to do anything. That's why I'm trying to find this stuff

Well endorsing illegal activities is probably a bad idea. But it might be quite hard anyway. If its a college they are probably quite secure. Even if the people actualy doing it are just dumbasses running some program the college probably hires computer specialists.

Well endorsing illegal activities is probably a bad idea. But it might be quite hard anyway. If its a college they are probably quite secure. Even if the people actualy doing it are just dumbasses running some program the college probably hires computer specialists.

Depends on how often the school deletes the logs. If they still have the logs, you find when the last contact with them from the school was made, ues the logs to see what websites were used at the time, and tie it with who was using the computers at the time. Do this twice-or three times if you want-and you'll have a list of people who were using the computer during all those times.

Granted I dunno how to find specifics from there, but even that is doing SOMETHING. The college feels secure in not doing anything-even if it's illegal-and the police just seem to be too fucking lazy.

Depends on how often the school deletes the logs. If they still have the logs, you find when the last contact with them from the school was made, ues the logs to see what websites were used at the time, and tie it with who was using the computers at the time. Do this twice-or three times if you want-and you'll have a list of people who were using the computer during all those times.

Granted I dunno how to find specifics from there, but even that is doing SOMETHING. The college feels secure in not doing anything-even if it's illegal-and the police just seem to be too fucking lazy.

The college will have logs. They will be able to gather evidence pretty easily. The problem is if they arent doing anything you aren't going to get the logs. If someone within the college is harrasing you just keep bugging the college until they do something. If you can get a way to contact their computers person (if they have a full time one) he will probably want to solve the problem. They dont like people messing round on their machines.

Well if it's interstate it's a FBI, FCC or possibly FTC matter, although local police sould possible have jurisdiction also - depending on the specifics. The best answer is to use the phone calls as a basis for complaint, have the harassed call thier phone company and complain about recieving the calls. Most phone companies have people dedicated to just this sort of thing. The phone company will track the calls back and put pressure on the phone company servicing the calls, which will put pressure on the college - and if necessary pull in the police.

Well, since people here know practically anything, I'm wondering what US hacking laws are?

That is to say, what a person can or can't get away with on a non-governmental level?

Also, what are the laws on harrasment done over the web, especially if done from a college campus computer?

There's a statute of limitations on harassment through the internet, I think. That's all I know about the harassment thing...


Aside from that, nukes (if caught) can be a federal offense..or so I've heard.

you friend will need to speak to college officials....esp if s/he is getting telephone calls.

That is more worrying than the 'hacking'.

Tell your friend that the college has a duty of care and therefore they must investigate this or pass the matter on to the Police. If the police are not doing anything then tell your friend to speak to his/her parents.

Hacking back will do nothing.

The interesting thing about the treatment of hacking is that if the hacking is affecting a Federal system, the FBI and Secret Service will be up your ass with a rubber glove as soon as you hit the Enter key. Otherwise, the enforcement seems rather sparse.

Even large companies like AOL have to basically perform their own investigation, and collect mountains of evidence, and really complain before law enforcement will come in and start arresting people.

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).

Local police in one city in western Connecticut told me that unless there is property damage caused by the hacking, they can't really do anything about it.

If someone's sending threats, have your friend just try to ignore all of that. If it's too much, just provoke them into attacking. Put their money where their mouth is. And when you get the property damage, a fried hard drive, then the police might have something to go with.

Local police in one city in western Connecticut told me that unless there is property damage caused by the hacking, they can't really do anything about it.

If someone's sending threats, have your friend just try to ignore all of that. If it's too much, just provoke them into attacking. Put their money where their mouth is. And when you get the property damage, a fried hard drive, then the police might have something to go with.

You are all making the mistake at looking at the 'hacking' issue...its the telephone abuse that is the most likely to get positive action....

Well, since people here know practically anything, I'm wondering what US hacking laws are?

That is to say, what a person can or can't get away with on a non-governmental level?

Also, what are the laws on harrasment done over the web, especially if done from a college campus computer?
Ok as far as strait up laws

http://www.rent-a-hacker.com/hacklaw.htm

If you need me to interpret I can but it is fairly strait up (any tech questions go to www.whatis.com)

Harassment issues…

Now the situation does not sound the same as I am used to (used to dealing with students LIVING on campus and getting harassed)

So let me get this strait your friends have been harassed FROM a campus computer. Do they themselves live on campus?

Through what mediums (you mentioned phone) but besides that IM, E-mail? That sort of thing

(hard to believe local law enforcement wont do anything … they have been great with us)

You are all making the mistake at looking at the 'hacking' issue...its the telephone abuse that is the most likely to get positive action....

Definately call the phone company.
Call the College again. Tell them that this person has been making threatening/harassing phone calls and remind them about liability (i.e. legal action on your part if they do nothing)
If the college is state run, call the state police and contact local representatives. If private, contact the org. that runs it.
Since its interstate, FBI.
Contact your local & state police and representative and inform them of what is going on.

IF you don't have caller ID, get it and tape any messages this guy leaves, keep any e-mails/IM's he sends.
Inform your phone company of the problem and change #'s.
Inform your Internet provider of the hacking and possibly change services.

(hard to believe local law enforcement wont do anything … they have been great with us)The problem is the appropriate police to call are the ones in the recipients area, not the one's in the makers of the call. It's the way jurisdictions run in the US the crime is where the harm occured, stand in Nevada and shoot someone in California the only crime you (may) have committed in Nevada is reckless discharge of a firearm - while you have commited murder in California.

The problem is the appropriate police to call are the ones in the recipients area, not the one's in the makers of the call. It's the way jurisdictions run in the US the crime is where the harm occured, stand in Nevada and shoot someone in California the only crime you (may) have committed in Nevada is reckless discharge of a firearm - while you have commited murder in California.
Fair enough ... we usualy deal with recipients so it is almost always our local department that we deal with

The problem is, the local police in that area arn't doing anything either.

I already know HOW they could catch the people too, but it sounds like both law enforcement and the college are just too fucking lazy to do anything. That's why I'm trying to find this stuff
Well, if it's an interstate matter, you might try getting in contact with the feds. Possibly the FCC, or FBI. I mean, interstate stalking* like this is a federal felony.

*depending on the situation, it could or could not be construed as stalking.