NationStates Jolt Archive

Before I begin, I will say this: I am neutral. A Republican candidate will be the first person I vote for on my balot (when I'm old enough), unless the Democratic seems better overall. This is countered by the fact I am a supporter of a Socialist economy and government. Now, let's begin, shall we?

My friend Will and I enjoy making short films and such, and today we practiced - he brought along his huge Hitachi VHS video recorder (it records dirctly onto the tape) to the inaguration. This grabbed the attention of a reporter from the Chicago Tribune who asked us what we were doing, etc. etc. If you see the name, "Charlie Buechner" or, "Will Maloney" in the Chicago Tribune, give me a ring.

Anyway, we were farily close up, in the red section thanks to my dad being a former representative from Missouri, so we get to do all this neat stuff.

Will and I are keeping the camera on Bush when suddenly,

"Impeach Bush!" screams a frantic group of women carrying a pink anti-Bush banner. Police rush over and restrain the leader of the group and ask her to stop. She's verbally retaliating, and the officers respond by escorting her off the premisis (she was waiting for her friends when we left). We shrugged this off until,

"Hey Bush, where are the poor? Oh hey, you sent them off to war!!" yells a man in his mid 20's. More and more protestors are dragged off the grounds as Bush continues his speech.

Where am I going with this? People, you have the right to free speech. But you don't look good when you exercise that right to say Mr. President is a dickhead. I think this shows a serious lack of maturity and intelligence.

Where am I going with this? People, you have the right to free speech. But you don't look good when you exercise that right to say Mr. President is a dickhead. I think this shows a serious lack of maturity and intelligence.

No. These people obviously know that there is no point saying anything at all unless they are heard - so an inauguration is a great place to say their piece - especially with all of the media coverage and the number of people attending.

As I have said before, you shouldn't go to another person's party and yell at them and not expect to be removed from the party.

There are better places to stage protests, and get better responces. What did these people get acomplished? They get removed from the area, and everyone around there is like, "wow, these protesters are nuts" making it harder to get a voice against these people, because they grow the idea that protesters are lunatics that lack maturity.

If I was going to speak out against the government, I would start on the local level, I would study and educate myself before hand, and then deliver a well thought out, well rounded statement. Then work my way up from there, that way you build yourself a platform to grow on, and not sound like some child with a megaphone.

I must say I'm torn on this one. I can see both sides. I don't want to be censored at a public affair, but how public is the inauguration? If I was at a NOW rally, would I want a bunch of Operation Rescue nuts taking over? Perhaps the idea of a designated protest area isn't so bad.

I'd like to know where that idiot gets off saying "Where are the poor? You sent them off to war." Maybe he's just blind, but I see lots of poor people still here. And I wasn't aware that military personel were poor. Either way, that's their job. To go to war.

On a side note, does anyone know how "Turn Your Back On Bush" went?

I say if they want to protest, let them protest, but most of the time nobody cares, and most people just brush them off. But if Kerry had won, I would have done everything in my power to get up there and protest.

On a side note, does anyone know how "Turn Your Back On Bush" went?

I personally didnt see anything about it. Though, last night I heard about it on Fox. They were going to turn their backs to Bush as his motorcade rode by. Personally I think they are pansies for not showing their faces.

But they did get a message across. I'm not saying I agree with them, but the TV cameras did show it, I remember mentioning it to my sister. If any publicity is good publicity, then they got their message across.

To bad I didn't see that. Sounds like fun.

As I have said before, you shouldn't go to another person's party and yell at them and not expect to be removed from the party.

He said they ran in. They did this because they expected to be removed. Anyway - isn't the inauguration of a president an occasion for all of your citizens? It's "their" party, surely?

There are better places to stage protests, and get better responces. What did these people get acomplished? They get removed from the area, and everyone around there is like, "wow, these protesters are nuts" making it harder to get a voice against these people, because they grow the idea that protesters are lunatics that lack maturity.

No. It is a great place because they will be heard by many. Only those who disagree with what they have said will think them lunatics. Those who agree with them will think they are brave, and may even be inspired to join their cause.

If I was going to speak out against the government, I would start on the local level, I would study and educate myself before hand, and then deliver a well thought out, well rounded statement. Then work my way up from there, that way you build yourself a platform to grow on, and not sound like some child with a megaphone.

Yes, but you'd be talking to youself. If there is no-one to hear your message, then you can have the best, most moving message ever conceived, and it matters not one tiny little bit.

Now - you're going to think I agree with the protesters. I am neutral on what they said - I don't give a rats ass either way. However - was it a good place for *them* to deliver *their* message, then... yes - it was - very.

If I was going to speak out against the government, I would start on the local level, I would study and educate myself before hand, and then deliver a well thought out, well rounded statement. Then work my way up from there, that way you build yourself a platform to grow on, and not sound like some child with a megaphone.
LOL And how many years would you need to make yourself heard? 10? 20?

No. These people obviously know that there is no point saying anything at all unless they are heard - so an inauguration is a great place to say their piece - especially with all of the media coverage and the number of people attending.


Well if you belive that, then you won't mind from now on in this forum, that if asked you will go back and insert caption comments in the middle of your posts that reflect what other users think of what you have to say. While someones giving a speech just isn't the right time to critise them. These are people that demand to be heard when the other side isn't even talking, the media is talking, the midia isn't the people who vote.

Well if you belive that, then you won't mind from now on in this forum, that if asked you will go back and insert caption comments in the middle of your posts that reflect what other users think of what you have to say.

Writing in my posts would be akin to the protesters making Bush say things in his speech - I don't think he'll agree to go along with that - and you know what ... neither will I. I do believe that, and yes I do mind, and no, you can't write your shit in my posts (except where I decide to put it in - like now).

However - you're still free to write crap in the threads I post in (a much better analogy to the protesters), but I see you're already acquainted with that particular pasttime.

While someones giving a speech just isn't the right time to critise them. These are people that demand to be heard when the other side isn't even talking, the media is talking, the midia isn't the people who vote.

He talks all the time - they can and will interrupt him if they get the chance, and they'll do it at the most public occasions possible simply to get the publicity - and you can puff about it here as much as you want and it won't change it.

And don't get all "morals" and these "people are wrong" on me because I never said they were "right". I said it was a great opportunity for them to get their 5 pence (or two cents) in. I said I didn't care what they were saying - and I certainly didn't condone their actions... but if they want to do it... it works - very well. So you can go take Tinky-Winky for a spin too.

As I have said before, you shouldn't go to another person's party and yell at them and not expect to be removed from the party.
i wouldnt normally agree, but bush has this great habit of surrounding himself with yes men and ONLY people that agree with him, anyone else is screened out, even during his on the road speeches

I personaly am a big fan of the 'Freedom of speech ends at my property line/nose' philosophy.
So, if you go to the Republican National Convention, stand in the middle of the floor and start screaming "BUSH IS A MORON! IMPEACHMENT! FLALALALAALALALLALA!", its my opinion that you should be removed, and that anybody who kicks you in the shin on the way out is a great person. Same goes for the conservative extremist who runs into the Democratic National Convetion and starts blaring about religion.
Long live the Republic :P

As for interupting the Inaugural Speech...aside from being against whats known as 'basic manners' and 'respect' (which is differnt from 'not likeing'), is generaly dumb. If the Secret Service sees a guy screaming at the President, what do you think he might well do?
His job, mayhaps? Kinda like the lady who crashed her car into a building where Bush was giving a speech (On accident, apparently she fell asleep at the wheel), and was hurled out of her car by the Service and cuffed.

Before I begin, I will say this: I am neutral. A Republican candidate will be the first person I vote for on my balot (when I'm old enough), unless the Democratic seems better overall. This is countered by the fact I am a supporter of a Socialist economy and government.

how exactly does your head not explode?

LOL And how many years would you need to make yourself heard? 10? 20?
So would you rather a protest movement with a strong, respected base, or getting a yell in for 10 seconds?

Yeah - obviously they knew they were going to get thrown out, and obviously they didn't care, but they did what they wanted to do which was shout a message and get it heard (after all - you know about it, don't you?).

So... whether or not you think they're rude, and whether or not you agree with what they said... it worked for them. They got what they wanted to do done.

There's a group called Fathers4Justice in the UK who go around performing stunts such as chaining themselves to Bucking Palace dressed in Batman suits. Some may think they look silly, some may thing they're going about promoting their cause the wrong way - but... at the end of the day - same thing ... they get heard, they raise their public profile, which is what they want.

Writing in my posts would be akin to the protesters making Bush say things in his speech - I don't think he'll agree to go along with that - and you know what ... neither will I. I do believe that, and yes I do mind, and no, you can't write your shit in my posts (except where I decide to put it in - like now).

However - you're still free to write crap in the threads I post in (a much better analogy to the protesters), but I see you're already acquainted with that particular pasttime.



He talks all the time - they can and will interrupt him if they get the chance, and they'll do it at the most public occasions possible simply to get the publicity - and you can puff about it here as much as you want and it won't change it.

And don't get all "morals" and these "people are wrong" on me because I never said they were "right". I said it was a great opportunity for them to get their 5 pence (or two cents) in. I said I didn't care what they were saying - and I certainly didn't condone their actions... but if they want to do it... it works - very well. So you can go take Tinky-Winky for a spin too.


Easy with the insults there, if you don't belive in what your saying or care about what your posting than why the hell are you posting it, and why the hell do you care what i have to say about what you had to say....that you didn't care about? If your just saying " good for them!", you should add a "good for them, those damn beatnicks."

Easy with the insults there, if you don't belive in what your saying or care about what your posting than why the hell are you posting it, and why the hell do you care what i have to say about what you had to say....that you didn't care about? If your just saying " good for them!", you should add a "good for them, those damn beatnicks."

I don't actually mean to insult you - I was just having fun trying to disect your post :P

I have said the following things:
1. "It is an effective way for them to get their message across to a lot of people" and this is their goal.
2. "They know they'll get taken away by the guards/police/ss and they don't care because their sole aim is getting the publicity"
3. "Most people who agree with their message will not think they are idiots - and some will even be inspired by them". (And there are a significant number who will agree with their message, aren't there?).

Now - you may think them rude - you may think their timing inappropriate - you may think their message to be shit... but they did what they wanted to do. In that goal they passed with flying colours - and the inaugration was a great place to enable them to achieve this goal (again - I'm not saying they're not naughty - I'm saying that this was an effective choice for them to succeed in their goal).

Where am I going with this? People, you have the right to free speech. But you don't look good when you exercise that right to say Mr. President is a dickhead. I think this shows a serious lack of maturity and intelligence.

Freedom of speech includes the ability to say stupid hateful things.....

I'd like to know where that idiot gets off saying "Where are the poor? You sent them off to war." Maybe he's just blind, but I see lots of poor people still here. And I wasn't aware that military personel were poor. Either way, that's their job. To go to war.

Traditionally people of the "lower class" man the army. Especially for the college fund. How many rich kids do you know are humping a rifle in Iraq or Afghanistan?

I personally didnt see anything about it. Though, last night I heard about it on Fox. They were going to turn their backs to Bush as his motorcade rode by. Personally I think they are pansies for not showing their faces.

It's not a question about being a coward. It's about disruputing photo ops. Let's not forget the people who kept turning their backs to Kerry.....

The Black Forest - A fair number of them actually.

The Black Forest - A fair number of them actually.

Ok. How do you prove that?

As I have said before, you shouldn't go to another person's party and yell at them and not expect to be removed from the party.
But it's not his party, it's America's party.

Before I begin, I will say this: I am neutral. A Republican candidate will be the first person I vote for on my balot (when I'm old enough), unless the Democratic seems better overall. This is countered by the fact I am a supporter of a Socialist economy and government.


how exactly does your head not explode?

Here here!

I don't actually mean to insult you - I was just having fun trying to disect your post :P

I have said the following things:
1. "It is an effective way for them to get their message across to a lot of people" and this is their goal.
2. "They know they'll get taken away by the guards/police/ss and they don't care because their sole aim is getting the publicity"
3. "Most people who agree with their message will not think they are idiots - and some will even be inspired by them". (And there are a significant number who will agree with their message, aren't there?).

Now - you may think them rude - you may think their timing inappropriate - you may think their message to be shit... but they did what they wanted to do. In that goal they passed with flying colours - and the inaugration was a great place to enable them to achieve this goal (again - I'm not saying they're not naughty - I'm saying that this was an effective choice for them to succeed in their goal).

Yea, i guess your right, they still need to relax though, dedicating your life to showing up for things like that to be angry is a waste.Lifes to short to be angry all the time, just be angry immediatly before and after elections is how i get throught he years.