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OK. Let's settle this once and for all. Who was the cooler captain of the Enterprise? Think in terms of overall "coolness" of the captain alone. If we considered the rest of the crew, that whiny bitch Riker would just hand it all to Kirk. But anyways, post what you think. I'd like to see.

Personally, I like Picard. Mostly because he was played by Patric Stewart, whos had a great baritone voice and that accent. Stewart just sounded so much more commanding than Shatner ever did. But thats just me.

Cpt. Picard is teh uber bomb.

Patrick Stewart is a shakespearian actor. He wins.

Picard, he was calmer and more rational. He didnt have to jump in bed with alien women to prove anything and pulled the jump suit thing off rather nicely.

Stewart was the superior actor, was more commanding, and had a better accent.

However, Kirk still rules. "We come in peace. Shoot to kill!"

Captain Kirk. He was a terrific [alien] womanizer, that is cool.

Can I vote for Zapp Brannigan? :p

Oh,.... My,..... God!.... How,.... can you not,..... vote,... for William Shatner!

l ... o ... l

Picard was bland compared to Kirk, but he met the challenge of his time, and lived up to it, I think. Plus, his years were good, what with Toby from Roots and that whacky broad from that nun movie.. those were good years.. and Data was a Champ.

Can I vote for Zapp Brannigan? :p
Go the Zapper!

I don't think I've ever had such a hard time making a decision!

I'm going with Picard...because while Kirk's crew was better, Picard just rocks.

Yes! JLP is up by two to one, heh.

I'm mostly pleased to see that Riker is quite widely recognised as a source of much of the universe's... wrong, really. Look, it doesn't matter how much facial hair you have, number one, just stop leaning about in that man-pose with your crotch thrust in people's faces! Espeically Wesley's, we already know there's no happy ending there, no need to make it worse.

Uhm. Yeah. Picard is clearly superior. I mean, I trust that you've all heard the song. "Captain... Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise... Captain... Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise..." repeat ad nauseum.

A vote for Kirk is a vote for communism.

A vote for Picard, on the other hand, is a vote for freedom.

Picard, because Picard was so cocky about his awesomeness he didn't go around trying to prove it, like Kirk. Not to say Kirk didn't rule, just that Picard took arrogance to a cerebral level that Kirk couldn't touch.

A vote for Kirk is a vote for communism.

A vote for Picard, on the other hand, is a vote for freedom.

Whaaa? You sure you don't have that backward??

Whaaa? You sure you don't have that backward??I may or may not be making fun of the rhetoric of a certain political leader of a certain country. Picard is still awesome though.

I may or may not be making fun of the rhetoric of a certain political leader of a certain country. Picard is still awesome though.

Yeah.. but any vote for someone named "Jean-Luc" is almost assuredly a vote for communism on any given day. :p

It has to be Picard.

Firstly, Picard doesn't go on every away mission and get into a half naked wrestling match with the natives. That's a good thing.

Secondly Picard is just good at everything - even fighting when he has to be. Kirk's really only good at wrestling and seducing women. Of course even Picard manages to seduce a few women over time, and he doesn't try half as hard.

A more interesting question would be: who would win in a fist fight between Kirk and Picard. Kirk seems like the obvious choice, but I'm not so sure. Picard might outmaneuver him...

It has to be Picard.

Firstly, Picard doesn't go on every away mission and get into a half naked wrestling match with the natives. That's a good thing.

Secondly Picard is just good at everything - even fighting when he has to be. Kirk's really only good at wrestling and seducing women. Of course even Picard manages to seduce a few women over time, and he doesn't try half as hard.

A more interesting question would be: who would win in a fist fight between Kirk and Picard. Kirk seems like the obvious choice, but I'm not so sure. Picard might outmaneuver him...

Did Picard ever even use his fists? I think by the time Picard came along, it was mainly just phasers and such.

Did Picard ever even use his fists? I think by the time Picard came along, it was mainly just phasers and such.

It only happens once or twice, but yes.

EDIT: I did a little searching to back up my claim, and the best example I found was in the episode "Sins of the Father". There Picard gets in a knife fight with two Klingon Assasins and kills one before help shows up. I think there might be one or two other time where Picard ends up fighting, but I can't remember when. It's not a fist fight, but close enough :-)

Did Picard ever even use his fists? I think by the time Picard came along, it was mainly just phasers and such.
Well you have to remember that Picard ussually had both Worf and Data with him so if anybody needed to do any ass kicking it was most likely going to be done by one of these two. Also Riker was pretty ripped early on, but later he was fat as a blimp!

I accidentally voted for Kirk when I wanted to vote for Picard...please disregard my vote. I haven't slept for two days. o_o

Oh,.... My,..... God!.... How,.... can you not,..... vote,... for William Shatner!

No kidding. It took 2 characters to replace him. Same for the whole first crew.

What about Cpt. Archer?

...

Just kidding! :D

I cannot beleive that people are voting for a slaphead!

Kirk is No1....he paved the way for the frenchman....

35 to 12 for Picard.

Another display of the standard pro-homosexual, anti-Jewish bias.

Kirk annoyed me by always losing his shirt.

Picard however, cost us a fortune in Head polish.

...Mmm, but Picard wins out, as he had a cooler ship.

The British Frenchman all the way.

At least he was obviously a captain whereas that other guy was just... just... some smarmy womanizer or something.

The British Frenchman all the way.



wash your fingers out!!! grrrrrr

What about Cpt. Archer?

...

Just kidding! :D
Enterprise blows. shame.

Picard is best simply because he has greater intellect than Kirk, and TNG reflects this. They used him to help carry and expand the new series' deeper and more interesting morals - comparatively to TOS that is.
Kirk still rocks tho...

Picard was more a diplomat. Kirk was a badass. Picard was intelligent and patient. Kirk was a suave pimp with the ladies who was quick to bring the smack down. I don't know. I just don't know. Because the Federation had to come up with the Prime Directive because of Kirk, I have to go with Kirk. Picard a close second. Food for thought - Ever notice that Riker is a Kirk-in-training? Also, the only female captain to be featured in a show got her ship lost?

Denny Crane!

Also, the only female captain to be featured in a show got her ship lost?

Can't really blame Janeway for that. Her ship was attacked by a malevolent plot device. :) Had her ship been an "Enterprise" I would have voted for her as coolest. Go Janeway!

TNG was good and all, but I liked the style of TOS's stand alone episodes that don't concentrate so much on character devolopment, rather than telling a good tale! Plus, you know, more fist fights.

Damn! Now I wanna go watch TOS and I only have the first three movies! I wana watch the Tv series or the cartoon!

Everyone forgets Sisko and Pike. I liked Pike.

Also, the only female captain to be featured in a show got her ship lost?
lol, I had never thought of that

Can't really blame Janeway for that. Her ship was attacked by a malevolent plot device. :) Had her ship been an "Enterprise" I would have voted for her as coolest. Go Janeway!

Oh, come on. Janeway was mediocre at best. She was always busting Paris' balls, getting into morality arguments with Chacotay (sp?) because all the guy wanted to do was get home, and if it wasn't for Tuvac, the crew would have blew her out of an airlock into space. The best character on that show was a goddamned hologram.

Oh, come on. Janeway was mediocre at best. She was always busting Paris' balls, getting into morality arguments with Chacotay (sp?) because all the guy wanted to do was get home, and if it wasn't for Tuvac, the crew would have blew her out of an airlock into space. The best character on that show was a goddamned hologram.

The doctor was good, but don't forget 7of9

The doctor was good, but don't forget 7of9

Oh please... she was just there for titilation. Nice boobs though...

Oh,.... My,..... God!.... How,.... can you not,..... vote,... for William Shatner!
Easy! Like this! :D

/me votes for Picard/Stewart.

Everyone forgets Sisko and Pike. I liked Pike.
/me starts handing out buttons that read "I LIKE PIKE!", starting with Patra.

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Oh please... she was just there for titilation. Nice boobs though...

Pft! My BF and I liked her, trust me, we wern't titilated.

kirk had a lot of succes with multiple females, he was shagging all over the Galaxy

Picard was like my Grampa (no mojo, no hair, no sex).

I prefer te be like Kirk (i will be like Picard when I am 70 years old) :D

Kirk was a man of action...Picard put me to sleep with the "we must try to reason with them even if we get the ship blown up" speeches. Just blast 'em to hell for gods sake...
ZZZZZZ

Oh please... she was just there for titilation. Nice boobs though...

I am pretty tired of people who deride 7of9's character for "cheapening" Star Trek by a T and A factor of ten.

T and A has always been part of Star Trek.

TOS: Every week you had a new piece of eye candy for Kirk/Spock/Bones and sometimes even Scotty to have a bit of slap and tickle with. You had Uhura (Michelle Nichols was a fine looking woman) on all the time.

TNG: Remember Troi's outfit for the first couple seasons? Or the EDO or a dozen other women they had who wore quite revealing stuff? They even had Tasha for those women who like wearing plaid and comfortable shoes.

DS9: This is a no brainer. Chase Massterson. That is saying more then enough.

VOY: 7of9

ENT: T'pol as well other episode specific actors.


oh yeah....the survey.

Picard. Even though he got a bit preachy sometimes, he did manage to sound pretty hardcore when quoting Shakespear before battle. Plus, he had an actual education while Kirk seems to have wandered in off the street into Starfleet recruiting after a night of boozing and strippers.

Yes! JLP is up by two to one, heh.

I'm mostly pleased to see that Riker is quite widely recognised as a source of much of the universe's... wrong, really. Look, it doesn't matter how much facial hair you have, number one, just stop leaning about in that man-pose with your crotch thrust in people's faces! Espeically Wesley's, we already know there's no happy ending there, no need to make it worse.

Uhm. Yeah. Picard is clearly superior. I mean, I trust that you've all heard the song. "Captain... Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise... Captain... Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise..." repeat ad nauseum.

Oh, why, BG, why? We agree on so many things - why must you dogmatically be so wrong on this most vital of isssues? *cries a single tear*.

If it wasn't for James T. Kirk, Picard wouldn't have been able to even be a starship captain. The galaxy would have been much too dangerous a place for him to go traipsing around doing whatever it is that he does. I mean, sure, Picard's pretty sharp when it comes to alien archeology, diplomacy, and dictating terms to people from the comfort of his tricked out, brand new Galaxy-class starship.

However, I put forth that Captain Picard has significant trouble dealing with Q, much less defeating him. Kirk beat god-like beings more or less every week for three years! Apollo? no problem! Vaal? blown up! Trelane? sent home crying to mommy! That god-thing in Star Trek V? debunked and destroyed!

Not to mention the absolute kickassitude of Kirk's punishments! What did he do to Harry Mudd for trying to trap his crew on a planet of androids? Left him on the planet all alone with a thousand copies of his hated annoyingly shrill wife! Picard would have given Harry a lecture on morality and turned him back loose! Or how about the 'The Man Trap'? Picard would have had the M-113 relocated to a salt-plentiful world, but Kirk knew better - he decided to order McCoy to shoot his former girlfriend - and thus kill the last of a sentient species - instead!

Well, I could go on for hours on how Kirk cleaned up the galaxy to make it safe for smooth-tongued paperpushers like Picard, but I don't really have the time right now.

(Kirk rules!)

I wonder why no-one has realised why i was joking...

Oh yeah! Because you can't READ sarcasm... :D

Oh, why, BG, why? We agree on so many things - why must you dogmatically be so wrong on this most vital of isssues? *cries a single tear*.

If it wasn't for James T. Kirk, Picard wouldn't have been able to even be a starship captain. The galaxy would have been much too dangerous a place for him to go traipsing around doing whatever it is that he does. I mean, sure, Picard's pretty sharp when it comes to alien archeology, diplomacy, and dictating terms to people from the comfort of his tricked out, brand new Galaxy-class starship.

Well, perhaps it was more dangerous because Kirk made it a point of starting fights with just about every species he encountered? I feel sorry for the captains of the ships that landed on the planets the Enterprise had previously visited.

"I'm sorry Chancellor about your daughters pregnancy. I will convey your displeasure to Starfleet. I'm sure Capt. Kirk will pay alimony. Please put down that wierd looking knife...."

Picard fought the Borg, the Dominion, and participated in battles against a dozen other species.

However, I put forth that Captain Picard has significant trouble dealing with Q, much less defeating him. Kirk beat god-like beings more or less every week for three years! Apollo? no problem! Vaal? blown up! Trelane? sent home crying to mommy! That god-thing in Star Trek V? debunked and destroyed!

As powerful as those beings were, they still always resorted to fisticuffs with Kirk (the God thing in Star Trek V was blown up by the Klingons). Picard knew this wasn't the thing to do with Q and this was proven when Sisko actually fought Q at DS9. This proved that Q could get under his skin and merely egged him on to mess with them further.

Not to mention the absolute kickassitude of Kirk's punishments! What did he do to Harry Mudd for trying to trap his crew on a planet of androids? Left him on the planet all alone with a thousand copies of his hated annoyingly shrill wife! Picard would have given Harry a lecture on morality and turned him back loose! Or how about the 'The Man Trap'? Picard would have had the M-113 relocated to a salt-plentiful world, but Kirk knew better - he decided to order McCoy to shoot his former girlfriend - and thus kill the last of a sentient species - instead!

Well, I could go on for hours on how Kirk cleaned up the galaxy to make it safe for smooth-tongued paperpushers like Picard, but I don't really have the time right now.

(Kirk rules!)

Interesting point, I will have to think about that.

As powerful as those beings were, they still always resorted to fisticuffs with Kirk (the God thing in Star Trek V was blown up by the Klingons). Picard knew this wasn't the thing to do with Q and this was proven when Sisko actually fought Q at DS9. This proved that Q could get under his skin and merely egged him on to mess with them further.


As I recall Q never revisited DS9 after being punched...

To be fair, in "Star Trek Generations" whlst in the Nexus Picard does go whinging to Kirk for his help crying out that only he could help him. So I Guess that would kinda throw it in the direction of Kirk a little bit there than wouldn't it?

If we're talking coolness, like which one you would tkae to a party, you gotta say Kirk. As great a captain as Picard was, he wouldn't have been a barrel of laughs at a party, now Kirk on the other hand, well.......

"I'm sorry Chancellor about your daughters pregnancy. I will convey your displeasure to Starfleet. I'm sure Capt. Kirk will pay alimony. Please put down that wierd looking knife...."

:D

As powerful as those beings were, they still always resorted to fisticuffs with Kirk (the God thing in Star Trek V was blown up by the Klingons). Picard knew this wasn't the thing to do with Q and this was proven when Sisko actually fought Q at DS9. This proved that Q could get under his skin and merely egged him on to mess with them further.

Point about STV. Of course, before the Klingons showed up, Kirk was the only one even trying to debunk or fight.

As for Q, I don't know how Kirk would do it, but previous experiance on several episodes makes me sure that Kirk would destroy the whole continuum if it stood between him and a hot alien.

I like Star Trek a lot. But borrowing from Shatner...

GET A LIFE!

While Picard was still waffling around Hologram deck 3 trying to get in touch with his feelings, Kirk would have bagged himself a couple of breasty green-skinned alien chicks, watched ensign Lucas, or whatever his name is, get killed (as usual) and then wiped out the alien menace.
Then there's the catch phrase:
Picard: "Make it so"
Kirk:"We come in peace....Shoot to kill"
Come one, which sounds cooler? Be honest.

No contest. Kirk all the way.

While Picard was still waffling around Hologram deck 3 trying to get in touch with his feelings, Kirk would have bagged himself a couple of breasty green-skinned alien chicks.
Kirk rules, Picard is a wimp.

Kirk rules, Picard is a wimp.
Damn straight! :)

ST Captain Ranked by Coolness Factor:
Kirk
Sisko
Archer
Picard
Janeway
(Pike)

ST Captains Ranked by Captainess Factor (who most resembles what the real captain of a capital ship is really like)
Picard
Archer
Sisko/Janeway
Pike
Kirk

So, as the poll is worded cool, Kirk. But Picard was a better captain.

...who most resembles what the real captain of a capital ship.how would you know better than others?

Denny Crane!LOL ;) :D

Captain Newton H. White, Jr. and/or Admiral Raymond A. Spruance.

Capt White commanded the Aircraft Carrier Enterprise during WWII. The Enterprise also served as flagship for Adm Spruance.

URL provided for Wikipedia entry on “USS Enterprise” – indiating the name has been used eight times by the United States Navy, once by NASA (the first Space Shuttle), and twice to name a “Starship”.
USS Enterprise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise)

URL provided for Wikipedia entry on the USS Enterprise (CV-6), the seventh ship in a line of eight that have been christened “Enterprise” in the US Navy.
USS Enterprise CV-6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28CV-6%29)

It is only because of what these two gentlemen accomplished with their Enterprise during WWII that the name was selected for the ship commanded by Kirk. Which led to the name of Picards' ship and NASAs use of the name for the first Space Shuttle. Without them, we would be discussing which Captain of which "Kiwi" or "Bonhomme Richard" or "select-the-name-of-your-favorite-real-historical-ship" was better.

Captain Kirk, of course! There is no Picard without Kirk.

OK. Let's settle this once and for all. Who was the cooler captain...?

Avery Brooks as Captain Benjamin Sisko.

Oh,.... My,..... God!.... How,.... can you not,..... vote,... for William Shatner!
lol ;)

Denny Crane!
...more "lol" ;)

Jean Luc Picard of the USS ENTERPRISE. He is awesome. He can rock my starship anytime.

Top 10 Signs You've Watched Too Much Star Trek

10. You send weekly love letters to the actress who played the Green Skinned Orion Slave Girl in episode 7.

9. You pull the legs off your hamster so you'll have a tribble.

8. You tried to join the Navy just so you could serve aboard the Enterprise..

7. Your wife left you because you wanted her to dress like a Klingon and torture you for information.

6. You went to San Francisco to see if you might bump into Kirk and crew while they were in the 20th century looking for a whale.

5. Your college thesis was a Comparison of the Illustrious Careers of T.J. Hooker and Capt. Kirk.

4. You fly into a homicidal rage anytime people say "Star Trek? Isn't that the one with Luke Skywalker?"

3. You have no life.

2. You recognize more than 4 references on this list.

1. You join NASA, hijack a shuttle, and head for the coordinates you calculated for the planet Vulcan.

C'mon we're talking about Kirk here! The same guy that made a bunch of robots blow up, by pretending there was a bomb..even though it was made up. I'd like to see Piccard try that.

Plus...Kirik just Pwnz. And sexay to boot. :P

Picard a diplomatic wuss who plays by the rules? One word- 'Insurection'
I know a lot of people don't like that film (myself strictly not included) but it highlights a definite point. For Picard morals > laws, and he'll stick up to it, with force if necessary.

Mikorlias of Imardeavia

...>_> <_< >_>...
Janeway.
*is mauled*

But seriously, Picard. No offense to Kirk, but I think Picard was infinitely more competent, got into much more interesting escapades and... well no. It's the accent, totally.

i actually think that picard's crew was even better just for one member : worf.

Probably the only star trek show where a character actually made me laugh out loud a coupel of times.

Worf and the gang are in the "holo deck" playing a robin hood skit.

Some guy in a henchmen outfit "yells look its the merrymen! get them" to which worf yells out " I AM NOT A MERRY MAN!"

Or when in DS9, the gane is playing baseball and the cap sisko or whatever yells out " Stop him he is stealing 1st base" to which worf yells out " KILL HIM!!"


And of course picard could have kicked kirk's ass. Clearly that two handed punch of kirks works ONLY against the asain looking klingons of kirks era....

As my thread is getting derailed, lets talk about Seven of Nine's fine fine ass, shall we? And we can't forget those lucious melons of breasts either. :D

Top 10 Signs You've Watched Too Much Star Trek

10. You send weekly love letters to the actress who played the Green Skinned Orion Slave Girl in episode 7.

9. You pull the legs off your hamster so you'll have a tribble.

8. You tried to join the Navy just so you could serve aboard the Enterprise..

7. Your wife left you because you wanted her to dress like a Klingon and torture you for information.

6. You went to San Francisco to see if you might bump into Kirk and crew while they were in the 20th century looking for a whale.

5. Your college thesis was a Comparison of the Illustrious Careers of T.J. Hooker and Capt. Kirk.

4. You fly into a homicidal rage anytime people say "Star Trek? Isn't that the one with Luke Skywalker?"

3. You have no life.

2. You recognize more than 4 references on this list.

1. You join NASA, hijack a shuttle, and head for the coordinates you calculated for the planet Vulcan.


I think I can add to this: If you've ever had a debate over who was the better captain of the Enterprise.

/recognizes all references in list. ;)

As my thread is getting derailed, lets talk about Seven of Nine's fine fine ass, shall we? And we can't forget those lucious melons of breasts either. :D
Jeri Ryan is one of the hottest luscious ladies on earth. I liked her as the teacher on boston public too, but moreso on DS9

OH MY GOD
HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS
ONLY LOSERS WOULD DEBATE OVER THIS.....

Because it is completely obvious that Picard is so much obviously a better captain
Now if we were to vote for who the better doctor was, Bones would get my vote.

"Damnit Jim"
"He's Dead Jim"

Picard all the way. The only thing Kirk ever accomplished (aside from womanizing) was beating a Vulcan at 3D Chess. Picard was the key to beating the Borg AND he somehow managed to better Q. Not to mention that Stewart was a far superior actor.

i cannot believe you people, get off your couch and do something, with out electronics preferably.....

Because it is completely obvious that Picard is so much obviously a better captain
Now if we were to vote for who the better doctor was, Bones would get my vote.

"Damnit Jim"
"He's Dead Jim"


Hmmm... Maybe I should go start a poll/thread about other Star Trek characters, or aliens....

I judged based on 'which is funnier to watch at 4 AM when you're tired as hell'.

Star Trek: The Next Generation - Mildly amusing at 4 AM.
Star Trek: Incredibly hilarious at 4 AM. Like, rolling-on-floor-laughing hilarious.

Kirk wins.

I judged based on 'which is funnier to watch at 4 AM when you're tired as hell'.

Star Trek: The Next Generation - Mildly amusing at 4 AM.
Star Trek: Incredibly hilarious at 4 AM. Like, rolling-on-floor-laughing hilarious.

Kirk wins.

TNG is more fun to watch wasted though, those flashy computer effects really seem wierd when you look at them upside-down from the floor after God-knows-how-many beers. :p

Picard by a country mile. Cool, controlled and almost always in command of himself, not to mention the ship. Allowed to be human (did'nt like children), and very rarely got the girl (that was Rikers job).

Never could stand Kirk, because of that enormous ego of his, and Shatners overacting was almost painful to watch at times.

Picard the french cool captain

I judged based on 'which is funnier to watch at 4 AM when you're tired as hell'.

Star Trek: The Next Generation - Mildly amusing at 4 AM.
Star Trek: Incredibly hilarious at 4 AM. Like, rolling-on-floor-laughing hilarious.

Kirk wins.

I love the old Star Trek when the ship gets hit by a phaser blast and they show a long shot of the Enterprise. It just wiggles up and down on its strings. :p

I'm shocked to see that stiff Brit has more people convinced of his innate coolness than the One True Shatner.

'Bob' may be the head of the Church of the Subgenius, but the One True Shatner is undeniably a major Slack avatar. He cruises the Luck-Plane without being aware of it - one might suggest a total lack of awareness of any sort on the part of The Bill - but The Bill cannot be stopped!

He cannot act - he has made a career of acting.
He cannot sing - yet he is widely known for his singing.
He cannot write - but you always see his 'Tek' nonvels on the bookstore shelves.
He cannot direct - ...well, three out of four ain't bad.

The point is, the man makes a million every time he fucks up. Sounds incredibly like 'Bob' Dobbs, the 'Sultan of Sales' - to me, anyway. I nearly gave up my Subgenius membership when I first heard of the Church of Shatnerology. Now there's an organization I can get behind.

Picard? Feh. Blasphemers, all.


DT.

Picard by a country mile. Cool, controlled and almost always in command of himself, not to mention the ship. Allowed to be human (did'nt like children), and very rarely got the girl (that was Rikers job).

Never could stand Kirk, because of that enormous ego of his, and Shatners overacting was almost painful to watch at times.

I believe that to be very well said.

Ok....here is where picard kicks kirk's ass:

Kirk: We come in peace....SHOOT TO KILL!!!!

Picard: We come in peace, now, we have to blow up your planet because you seeing us is in violation of the prime directive....

Oh, why, BG, why? We agree on so many things - why must you dogmatically be so wrong on this most vital of isssues? *cries a single tear*.

If it wasn't for James T. Kirk, Picard wouldn't have been able to even be a starship captain. The galaxy would have been much too dangerous a place for him to go traipsing around doing whatever it is that he does. I mean, sure, Picard's pretty sharp when it comes to alien archeology, diplomacy, and dictating terms to people from the comfort of his tricked out, brand new Galaxy-class starship.

However, I put forth that Captain Picard has significant trouble dealing with Q, much less defeating him. Kirk beat god-like beings more or less every week for three years! Apollo? no problem! Vaal? blown up! Trelane? sent home crying to mommy! That god-thing in Star Trek V? debunked and destroyed!

Not to mention the absolute kickassitude of Kirk's punishments! What did he do to Harry Mudd for trying to trap his crew on a planet of androids? Left him on the planet all alone with a thousand copies of his hated annoyingly shrill wife! Picard would have given Harry a lecture on morality and turned him back loose! Or how about the 'The Man Trap'? Picard would have had the M-113 relocated to a salt-plentiful world, but Kirk knew better - he decided to order McCoy to shoot his former girlfriend - and thus kill the last of a sentient species - instead!

Well, I could go on for hours on how Kirk cleaned up the galaxy to make it safe for smooth-tongued paperpushers like Picard, but I don't really have the time right now.

(Kirk rules!)


Haha, you know, I went away thinking that, hey, maybe I'll hear from Iansisle again, as a result of this damnable thread, and, bam! There he is!

Still I, I... no! It can't be! I mean, okay, the Shakespeare stuff was a bit trite (not half so bad as, ah, that chump in [I'm sure you can tell me which film] with his dying words, "To be or..." oh just die, that's pathetic!), but Picard could lose fights with dignitiy. Am I just being too British, here? I'm sure that if Kirk got into a fight with a mob of [now, watch me try to spell] Nausicaans and got stabbed through the heart, he'd either have died outright, or gone on to win the fight. The proper thing to do is to lose the fight, live, and then not talk about it for a couple of decades!

Oh, who am I kidding? I love Kirk, too, he's like a Hasslehoff without being loud enough to annoy anybody, but Picard's just... well, okay, Picard is horribly awkward with children, right? But he has to confront it, and scrape though, despite it being horribly painful. Kirk would be even worse, but nobody ever presses him to deal with it, because they know he'd just kerplode.

...now I want to create a totally unrealistic future-tech account.

...I hate you.
I'm now thinking about the punishments bit... and... no! You can't be right! No! [cries]

My name says it all.

I'll bump this for the thread creator.