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Why doesn't anyone do anything to enforce the trade regulations that China routinely flaunts. For example, they constantly violate patent laws.

The Chinese have repeatedly shown indifference to western copyrights. They're using Maoist doctrine to justify pirating ideas and entertainment stuffs.

The Chinese have repeatedly shown indifference to western copyrights. They're using Maoist doctrine to justify pirating ideas and entertainment stuffs.
So why aren't other governments taxing the hell out of Chinese goods? It would only seem reasonable to protect your industry from unfair competition.

So why aren't other governments taxing the hell out of Chinese goods? It would only seem reasonable to protect your industry from unfair competition.
Most likely because if we ever awoke the sleeping giant, he would squish us with ease. Seriously...do you really want to mess with that many people?

Most likely because if we ever awoke the sleeping giant, he would squish us with ease. Seriously...do you really want to mess with that many people?
Yeah. If it means more jobs for my countrymen, I'm all for it. What are they going to do? Invade us? PLAN is for shit. We'd sink their fleet without even trying. Nuke us? We have more nukes, and are working on ballistic missile defense.

Does China have laws on patents? If not, you can't complain if they sell the products within China. If they try selling it to your country then you should bitch like hell.

I'm also thinking now that along with the comparing someone's argument to the nazis means you lose, you should also lose as soon as you start blathering on about wiping them out militarily to win. Seriously, it's like a skipping record round here!

Most likely because if we ever awoke the sleeping giant, he would squish us with ease. Seriously...do you really want to mess with that many people?
Well, with China it's not really all that hard. They don't have much of a navy, so using the US Navy you blockade China. Airstrikes against railways and land routes out of the country. Let 'em wither.

When the blockade is able to strangle Chinese fuel sufficiently, you can begin strategic air and cruise missile strikes against important Chinese government installations.

Bunker busters against all 12 Chinese ICBM's, and as many of their tactical nuclear weapons as possible.

When the Chinese military is deprived of gas, it cannot drive its tanks, or trucks. Without these, transport is by train, and that's an easy victim for airstrikes.

I believe, though I could be wrong, that patent laws differ in different countries. Just because you have something patented under US law doesn't make it patented under, for example, UK law, so China might well argue that they are doing nothing wrong. But as I said, I could be wrong :confused:

Because we don't want to get into a trade war with China.

Boom boom.

Let's bomb every country now as they all have companies that AREN'T American. How dare they steal American jobs.

Also, ANY country could one day be a potential military/economic rival of the US. KILL THEM ALL!

P.S. They're all pussies and will rollover before OUR ALL CONQUERING MIGHT.

GO TEAM AMERICA!!!!



*I'm not really American would you believe!

Boom boom.

Let's bomb every country now as they all have companies that AREN'T American. How dare they steal American jobs.

Also, ANY country could one day be a potential military/economic rival of the US. KILL THEM ALL!

P.S. They're all pussies and will rollover before OUR ALL CONQUERING MIGHT.

GO TEAM AMERICA!!!!



*I'm not really American would you believe!
I'm not saying we should bomb them, but violating international patent laws should mean facing consequences.

Because we don't want to get into a trade war with China.
Why not? Don't we buy a huge chunk of their products? They buy very few of ours. Who loses in that war?

But, I just brought up a war strategy for dealing with China for conversations sake. It's not like there's any need for a war with China now. And while they are being annoying, it's tolerable. And their pirated DVD's are really cheap.

Why not? Don't we buy a huge chunk of their products? They buy very few of ours. Who loses in that war?

You won't have a trade war with China as they hold a whole load of U.S. currency/bonds and if they really wanted to could crash your economy. Obviously you could still slap them about a bit if they did that. But they still could.

I'm not saying we should bomb them, but violating international patent laws should mean facing consequences.

I'm a bit sorry about that. That wasn't in direct response to your post, but as always on here, someone suggested US firepower as a means of solving the problem *yawn*.

As to the patent laws, they are different in every country and some countries have NO patent laws. It's just the way of the world.

Although I admit I'd be pissed off if I invented something that got copied.

Well, with China it's not really all that hard. They don't have much of a navy, so using the US Navy you blockade China. Airstrikes against railways and land routes out of the country. Let 'em wither.

When the blockade is able to strangle Chinese fuel sufficiently, you can begin strategic air and cruise missile strikes against important Chinese government installations.

Bunker busters against all 12 Chinese ICBM's, and as many of their tactical nuclear weapons as possible.

When the Chinese military is deprived of gas, it cannot drive its tanks, or trucks. Without these, transport is by train, and that's an easy victim for airstrikes.

uh, excuse me? first off, you VASTLY UNDERESTIMATE china's MODERN military. Really your one of the many people that think chona's still stuck in the 1940's-80's. Not so my friend. In case you havent noticed, they've modernized, and they fight wars RIGHT ( not like our pussy footing around policy) in fact many hypothesis's have been made that if the entire world went to war, we and china would be at a staelmate (but only after billions of casualties on both sides.) and you forget of the EXTREME resistanc eof the chinese people. they're not goin to get all paranoid and scared if someone else invades their country, unlike us when we got the twin towers bobmed, people were paranoid and afraid to fly for god sake. china was killing islam extremists (just as a sidenote). anyway, mao zhedong's first army, used sharpened bammbo sticks and primitave weapons to take over the nationalists that were using AMERICAN weapons, they went from #2 on the world's poorest country list to well, a superpower now (not that they havent nearly been one for a number of years, but they did need to modernize and get that econemy up). Oh and notice how I cant give you any info on their militarial technolgy, thats cuz there smart enough not to realease it to the public. Really you need to do some reasearch anyway, goto, www.chinadaily.com or something like that, should clue you in that the chinese are a lot more compotent than we are in many issues. (not takeing anything away from my country, but uh I dont think we'd be doing good in a war w/ china with our current "president").

uh, excuse me? first off, you VASTLY UNDERESTIMATE china's MODERN military. Really your one of the many people that think chona's still stuck in the 1940's-80's. Not so my friend. In case you havent noticed, they've modernized, and they fight wars RIGHT ( not like our pussy footing around policy) in fact many hypothesis's have been made that if the entire world went to war, we and china would be at a staelmate (but only after billions of casualties on both sides.) and you forget of the EXTREME resistanc eof the chinese people. they're not goin to get all paranoid and scared if someone else invades their country, unlike us when we got the twin towers bobmed, people were paranoid and afraid to fly for god sake. china was killing islam extremists (just as a sidenote). anyway, mao zhedong's first army, used sharpened bammbo sticks and primitave weapons to take over the nationalists that were using AMERICAN weapons, they went from #2 on the world's poorest country list to well, a superpower now (not that they havent nearly been one for a number of years, but they did need to modernize and get that econemy up). Oh and notice how I cant give you any info on their militarial technolgy, thats cuz there smart enough not to realease it to the public. Really you need to do some reasearch anyway, goto, www.chinadaily.com or something like that, should clue you in that the chinese are a lot more compotent than we are in many issues. (not takeing anything away from my country, but uh I dont think we'd be doing good in a war w/ china with our current "president").
They can be a tough adversary on their own soil, but they have no ability to project force against the USA. That's a fact.

Why not? Don't we buy a huge chunk of their products? They buy very few of ours. Who loses in that war?
We both do. In addition to our exports to China going down, the prices of their imports will likely go up, causing us to have to pay more for many of the basic things they produce.

Why doesn't anyone do anything to enforce the trade regulations that China routinely flaunts. For example, they constantly violate patent laws.

Because eggrolls rock.

Why doesn't anyone do anything to enforce the trade regulations that China routinely flaunts. For example, they constantly violate patent laws.

Because your patent laws are bad, maybe.

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A problem quickly solved by the US salvo launching it's nuclear arsenal and turning China into a parking lot. You are greatly overestimating the Chinese military. And I'm not going to use propaganda as a source. Use a bloody almanac.

But there's no need for a war, and I'm not really minding Chinese piracy.

They can be a tough adversary on their own soil, but they have no ability to project force against the USA. That's a fact.
Yes, their force projection capabilities end at their own soil, admittedly they have 12 antiquated ICBM's, but we made the Missile Defense Shield for those buggers.

They can be a tough adversary on their own soil, but they have no ability to project force against the USA. That's a fact.

well they really dont want to, they've always traken a "push me I push back" policy (if a few key countrys would let them push back in some cases). I think they could if they really wanted to, I think many would be to scared to face a forgein military on our own soil (civilians that is), or maybe the opposite for some. I personally think itd be a stalemate

A problem quickly solved by the US salvo launching it's nuclear arsenal and turning China into a parking lot. You are greatly overestimating the Chinese military. And I'm not going to use propaganda as a source. Use a bloody almanac.

not so, go ahead and launch nukes, 1000 men for them is nothing, they'll send a million at tyour door tommorow (not to mention some other nations that might be pissed at us because we used nukes so, shall I say, brashly?)
and you dont think they've got nukes of they're own? and that they wont hear about an entire nuclear arsenal comeing their way? I think not, hello counter bobming (and maybe a nice few biolgical weapons on the way.)

and honestly, every alamnac Ive ever looked at just gives me numbers, its really hard to find information on their CURRENT MILITARY TECHNOLOGLY.

Yes, their force projection capabilities end at their own soil, admittedly they have 12 antiquated ICBM's, but we made the Missile Defense Shield for those buggers

it doesnt by any means end at their own soil, its just the policy they take, they dont want to invade another country (maybe cept for taiwan, but that is theirs) way I figure it, they got enough problems of their own, dont need to worry bout another's. and that info on those 12 ICBM's is probally out of date. youd be surprised at how fast nuclear bombs can be made, espiecly from a productive nation like theirs..

Well, with all other accusations side, I don't see why the Chinese government should be blamed for the piracy, especially considering that you still have piracy in many other "second world" countries. Any of you ever been to China? I'm a Chinese myself and personally walking on the streets and seeing so many pirated CDs and DVDs being sold, I myself wonder how the police's ever going to stamp them out. From what I see the police are taking action against these people - but the fact that there's so many of them, and that a majority of the population still do business with them, its much harder than said for the Chinese government to actually stamp out software piracy.

About the Chinese military, while the Chinese military (including its nuclear arsenal) is pretty much regional than world-wide, launching cruise missiles and "turning China into a parking lot" is still much easier said than done. A modernized Chinese military is still much more effective in defensive operations (meaning, defending Chinese soil from foreign aggression) than the Iraqi Army in 2003. The ICBMs however, there are right now about 20-30 of them (though exact figures will never be released from what I see) and they are pretty old, but don't forget about the newer developments either (DF-31 ICBM and JL-2 SLBM for example).

thank you for enlightening me (and maybe a few others)...

not so, go ahead and launch nukes, 1000 men for them is nothing, they'll send a million at tyour door tommorow (not to mention some other nations that might be pissed at us because we used nukes so, shall I say, brashly?)
and you dont think they've got nukes of they're own? and that they wont hear about an entire nuclear arsenal comeing their way? I think not, hello counter bobming (and maybe a nice few biolgical weapons on the way.)

and honestly, every alamnac Ive ever looked at just gives me numbers, its really hard to find information on their CURRENT MILITARY TECHNOLOGLY.



it doesnt by any means end at their own soil, its just the policy they take, they dont want to invade another country (maybe cept for taiwan, but that is theirs) way I figure it, they got enough problems of their own, dont need to worry bout another's. and that info on those 12 ICBM's is probally out of date. youd be surprised at how fast nuclear bombs can be made, espiecly from a productive nation like theirs..

You have absolutely no idea about military tactics, strategy and weaponry, do you?

Missile defence system? Oh pluleez! The reasons we kiss up to the Chinese is economic, as you point out.

Missile defence system? Oh pluleez! The reasons we kiss up to the Chinese is economic, as you point out.
Yep, let's get back to the economics part of this thread, yes, we need the Chinese manufactured goods, and the Chinese need western cash. It's a very beneficial relationship.

Buying up all our currency, they practically own us already.

The relationship between China and the west is so useful for both that they're both willing to accept minor things like this from each other as a side effect of the benefits.

You know ... Soylent Eggrolls are made of people! PEOPLE!

[lame attempt at threa hijacking because I have nothing useful to add to the conversation.]

You know ... Soylent Eggrolls are made of people! PEOPLE!

[lame attempt at threa hijacking because I have nothing useful to add to the conversation.]
It's better thant he rest of the conversation...

I've heard people here talk about the "fighting spirit" of the Chinese. Frankly, the Chinese culture is non militaristic and more often than not downright cowardly. I'm not being racist or anything, I am just saying that the mandarin Confucian culture looks down upon military, and this promotes cowardly behavior and destroys morale. Ordinary Chinese people are also not as patriotic as the propaganda would make you think. Millions of Chinese feel no loyalty to the Communist Party which is known for its rampant corruption and abuses. Furthermore, the concept of Chinese nationalism is far weaker motivation than say old fashioned Japanese nationalism or Islamic fundamentalism. During WWII for example huge numbers of Chinese people collaborated with the Japanese occupiers, and the Japanese rather easily enforced its rule, and if the USA did not fight Japan we would probably see China ruled by Japan today. Also, Chinese culture tends to value personal wealth/glory more than national unity or nationalism. This is compounded by the current greed and inethical behavior rampant in Chinese capitalism.

However I don't think the USA would ever invade China, and American soldiers will not be willing to die in such a situation.

well they really dont want to, they've always traken a "push me I push back" policy (if a few key countrys would let them push back in some cases). I think they could if they really wanted to, I think many would be to scared to face a forgein military on our own soil (civilians that is), or maybe the opposite for some. I personally think itd be a stalemate
I highly doubt the Chinese can "push back" across 8,000 miles of the Pacific Ocean and invade the US. China might do damage on American bases in Korea but that's about it.

Do you think we'll sit here with our thumbs up our butts if the Chinese (mainland) invade Taiwan? Serious answers please.

...well they really dont want to, they've always traken a "push me I push back" policy ... they dont want to invade another country (maybe cept for taiwan, but that is theirs)...

How about the Chinese occupation of Tibet in 1951. The Sino-Indian War in 1962 fought between India and China over repeated Chinese incursion into disputed border territories. The Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979 where 120,000 Chinese soldiers invaded Soviet-allied North Viet Nam and were eventually pushed out.


China is not technically breaking any law when they violate the patent laws of another nation by copying ideas or products, as the patent laws pertain only to the nation it was issued in. There are international patents, but these are only enforceable in countries which recognize these patents by trade treaties. China does not have trade teaties dealing with the recognition of international patents, like treaties between the US and the UK.

Well, Walmart and the big people in Hong Kong actually own China if you think about it.

The US should attack China without delay. Just pull out of Iraq and leave your British and other subject..errm allies to clean up another one of your messes. Then you'll have time to deal with China. I'm not sure. But Condy Rice didn't mention China as an outpost of tyranny on her little 'countries to invade/cohert' list. Then again, she screws more things up. She also forgot to put the USA on that list for example.

The US should attack China without delay. Just pull out of Iraq and leave your British and other subject..errm allies to clean up another one of your messes. Then you'll have time to deal with China. I'm not sure. But Condy Rice didn't mention China as an outpost of tyranny on her little 'countries to invade/cohert' list. Then again, she screws more things up. She also forgot to put the USA on that list for example.
You do realize that no one is saying that the US should attack China?

You do realize that no one is saying that the US should attack China?
It was more or less suggested by DC I think. And I just said it.