Britain wants in on the fun!
12345543211
19-01-2005, 22:49
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6842657/
Uh-oh!
Nsendalen
19-01-2005, 22:51
Yet another negative aspect to a war I wanted no part of.
North Island
19-01-2005, 22:51
Well, um... ye I am not going to say anything about this. I might piss off a few English people.
Von Witzleben
19-01-2005, 22:54
Thats what you get when you follow the US like a poodle.
Chicken pi
19-01-2005, 22:56
Well, um... ye I am not going to say anything about this. I might piss off a few English people.
Depends. Personally I accept that the soldiers did something wrong (wasn't there another British prisoner abuse scandal just after the war 'ended', anyway?). However, if you're unreasonable about it, I probably would get annoyed.
So, what were you going to say?
North Island
19-01-2005, 23:15
Depends. Personally I accept that the soldiers did something wrong (wasn't there another British prisoner abuse scandal just after the war 'ended', anyway?). However, if you're unreasonable about it, I probably would get annoyed.
So, what were you going to say?
Okay,
Well you English are renowned for beeing violent, football hooligans etc. ,just look at your history. I know I lived in England for two years.
It was more a question of when rather then if.
It sounds harsh I know, to judge a nation for the acts of few.
Many English people I have met are very nice and polite don't get me wrong.
If you English want to reply to what I said start a new thread, stick to the topic here.
12345543211
19-01-2005, 23:39
Okay,
Well you English are renowned for beeing violent, football hooligans etc. ,just look at your history. I know I lived in England for two years.
It was more a question of when rather then if.
It sounds harsh I know, to judge a nation for the acts of few.
Many English people I have met are very nice and polite don't get me wrong.
If you English want to reply to what I said start a new thread, stick to the topic here.
I see whats happening here... Im caught smack dab in the middle of a good old fashioned cat fight.
hey man the English are cool, not because they follow us like a poodle but because there music is most excellent!
The Underground City
19-01-2005, 23:45
If these soldiers like violence, they should be put on the receiving end, to help them understand their victims' points of view.
Okay,
Well you English are renowned for beeing violent, football hooligans etc. ,just look at your history. I know I lived in England for two years.
It was more a question of when rather then if.
It sounds harsh I know, to judge a nation for the acts of few.
Many English people I have met are very nice and polite don't get me wrong.
If you English want to reply to what I said start a new thread, stick to the topic here.
its the British Army, not the English Army
North Island
20-01-2005, 00:31
its the British Army, not the English Army
Well the soldiers in question are not Scottish, Welsh, N. Irish, Manx or even a Pitcairne Islander they are English so why bring in all the British nations?
Unified Sith
20-01-2005, 00:41
Well the soldiers in question are not Scottish, Welsh, N. Irish, Manx or even a Pitcairne Islander they are English so why bring in all the British nations?
No the soldiers are not, they are British.
My God, you know nothing of the Reformation. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are all one nation. There is no English army, there is only the British army.
Scotland, England and Wales are only divided up to this day due to differing aspects in the legal systems. Being Scottish myself it gets me pissed off when people call The United Kingdom, England. We are all one nation. Jeez it says it all in the title. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
No they soldiers are not, they are British.
My God, you know nothing of the Reformation. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are all one nation. There is no English army, there is only the British army.
Scotland, England and Wales are only divided up to this day due to differing aspects in the legal systems. Being Scottish myself it gets me pissed off when people call The United Kingdom, England. We are all one nation. Jeez it says it all in the title. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
No they soldiers are not, they are British.
got it in several
North Island
20-01-2005, 00:45
When did I say English Army? I didnt.
I said English soldiers. They are English and they are soldiers.
And I know many things about the Union of Great Britain.
When did I say English Army? I didnt.
I said English soldiers. They are English and they are soldiers.
And I know many things about the Union of Great Britain.
Well you English...
they arent English. theyre British
and it would be Great Britain and Northern Ireland
sorry if it feels like im picking an argument, but it gets a bit annoying when the UK is constantly referred to as England...
Gataway_Driver
20-01-2005, 00:54
No the soldiers are not, they are British.
My God, you know nothing of the Reformation. Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland are all one nation. There is no English army, there is only the British army.
Scotland, England and Wales are only divided up to this day due to differing aspects in the legal systems. Being Scottish myself it gets me pissed off when people call The United Kingdom, England. We are all one nation. Jeez it says it all in the title. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
agreed we are one united people and so if people from the British army have been found to be violating the rights of others then the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland will act accordingly
North Island
20-01-2005, 00:59
Not a problem.
But I would like to point out that I only said English soldiers because they are English (Anglo-Saxon), the soldiers in question that is. You said your self that you are Scottish.
But I know you are all British.
We like the Scotts and the Irish here so I want no problems with them.
Sorry about the missunderstanding.
Oidhche mhath.
Very Dead Squirrels
20-01-2005, 01:01
Nitpicking about which army it is doesn't change the fact that this is a fucking dark day for Britain. I hope they throw those assholes away for a very long time.
Not a problem.
But I would like to point out that I only said English soldiers because they are English (Anglo-Saxon), the soldiers in question that is. You said your self that you are Scottish.
But I know you are all British.
We like the Scotts and the Irish here so I want no problems with them.
Sorry about the missunderstanding.
Oidhche mhath.
no problem mate :)
Gataway_Driver
20-01-2005, 01:09
Well the soldiers in question are not Scottish, Welsh, N. Irish, Manx or even a Pitcairne Islander they are English so why bring in all the British nations?
They are part of the British army!
If it was a welsh or scottish or even a member of Northern Ireland it would suddenly be called the British army. This is not having a go at anybody whatsoever its just the way things seem to be. I will gladly withdraw this statement if there is sufficient proof that I'm wrong.
I don't want to cause offence but its the way I see it
Unified Sith
20-01-2005, 01:24
That is nothing. The British army has done far worse in its day, I mean we invented the concentration camps for goodness sakes. We threw an entire nation into three large concentrations camps, this is nothing.
As far as I’m concerned those Iraqi soldiers will have committed far worse crimes against their own people, a little revenge is not uncalled for.
Bitchkitten
20-01-2005, 01:58
Revenge sucks. If everybody keeps getting revenge it goes on forever. Besides, the abused prisoners in this case were arrested for looting, not killing westerners.
Yay! Great Britian has joined the club.
I would hope that the British soldiers in these pictures will be given at least 10 years hard time in a British Army Prison.
For those of you that don't know what that entails and think its a light punishment - hard time in an army prison here constitutes digging a hole for half a day, and then filling it back in, every day of your sentance.
I agree completely, it is a very dark day for both Britain and the British army. I don't care if Britain "invented concentration camps". Our generation didn't do that, we can't be held accountable for it. We can be held accountable for the actions of our living peers. I honestly thought the standard of our troops was high enough to ensure that this wouldn't happen, sadly in these few cases, I guess I was wrong.
As to call of football hooliganism, yes I'll allow that certain Britons are violent, just as they are across Europe and in the US. With regard to history, yes we do have a violent history, but I don't know many nations in the world that don't.
Finally, in reply to the photo's of prisoner abuse after the war had first ended, they were proved to be fake. If you look at the equipment from those pictures, including the truck, there is concrete evidence that they were never in Iraq. There was a large scandal that ensued which saw the editor of the paper that printer the pictures Piers Morgan resign.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3718615.stm