NationStates Jolt Archive

Let’s look at things from a rational point of view, shall we? There is not one nation on the Earth today that is being run properly. If you ask the citizens of any country they will undoubtedly have numerous complaints about the direction their country is headed in. Think about it. Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves. Democracies in particular seem especially inept at getting anything productive done. They just can’t seem to get anything right.

I believe it’s high time for the dreaded New World Order to take its place. I know that most people have a fear of a one world government, but that fear is irrational. A one world government would be able to maintain peace and stability in a way that we can only dream of in today’s world. Just take a look at the movie “Equilibrium.” That world was one of perpetual peace until a bunch of rebels screwed everything up. One world governments are not the evil entities that everyone makes them out to be. It seems to me, in fact, that it is the only way to achieve what should be mankind’s ultimate goal: utopia.

Of course, some radical measures would have to be taken. Democracy is out the window, since we obviously can’t handle that responsibility. I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. I know, I know, that’s horrible of me to say. Trust me, I’m Jewish, I know all about genocide and the horrors it causes. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society. Why should Juanita Gonzalez or Dwayne Blackson be stuck living in a shithole in the slums of LA just because they works as gas station attendants? That is by no means fair, my friends, and a one world government that was based on communism would certainly prevent something like that from happening. It would also help them take care of however many children they had. An additional bonus to communism is food distribution, which would help alleviate the massive food shortages that our current governments seem unwilling or unable to prevent.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Let’s face it, religion has done jack squat for the human race ever since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and started the religion that caused millions of death. And let’s not forget that other religion that caused millions of deaths, Islam, the scourge of humanity. By forcibly removing religion from the lives of humans, it would force us all to face reality instead of living in our current fantasy land, where we believe good works will lead to eternal life in Heaven. Sorry my friends, but that just ain’t happening. All religion manages to do is divide us all. Just look at all the wars that have started because of religion. All of this blood is on God’s hands, and just like the surplus population, we will have to expunge God from the world.

Please take some time to carefully consider my points. I believe they are valid and, if they are followed, will lead to a better world for all of mankind. I'm sorry I'm going to sleep soon, so I won't be able to discuss this until tomorrow. Thank you, and God bless.

Problem : Largest Military Nation is Christian.

Problem : In any OWG, the largest military nation becomes the basis for the OWG.

So you can see the inherent problem with this.

oh great...another teenage facist.

I mostly agree with what you are saying, except the communism part, who says everyone contributes to society the same, shouldnt people that contribute more receive some reward?

more to follow

I mostly agree with what you are saying, except the communism part, who says everyone contributes to society the same, shouldnt people that contribute more receive some reward?

more to followNo, not really. Every person is equally important to keep society running. There is no person "more important" than anyone else. It reminds of me of Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, and the only fair and reasonable way for society to coexist is by equal distribution of both wealth and goods.

No, not really. Every person is equally important to keep society running. There is no person "more important" than anyone else. It reminds of me of Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, and the only fair and reasonable way for society to coexist is by equal distribution of both wealth and goods.

Some tasks take more skill than others so the labour pool for this task varies. The people who perform more specialized tasks or want to learn to need some sort of incentive to do so otherwise they will be content performing a simpler task

This idea could be worse.

BUT.

To actually enact it as you wish it?

You would need a disaster of world-wide proportions that shakes up governments and styles of life for everyone. That, or a totally clean slate.

With the existing history of the world, and the way people are, and the current state of the world (eek 2 ands) your goal cannot be achieved without the kind of tyrannical, corrupt and unpalatable methods that are confined to the worst of the Dystopias in our literature.

No, not really. Every person is equally important to keep society running. There is no person "more important" than anyone else. It reminds of me of Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, and the only fair and reasonable way for society to coexist is by equal distribution of both wealth and goods.
I disagree does a stylist contribute as much as a doctor?

Like I said I'm sorry but I have to go to sleep (school tomorrow and all), so I will attempt to refute any holes you punch in my proposal tomorrow!

Problem : Largest Military Nation is Christian.

Problem : In any OWG, the largest military nation becomes the basis for the OWG.

So you can see the inherent problem with this.

The largest Military Nation, ie. the USA has a predominantly Christian population, but is not a Christian state. It has a constitution that provides for freedom of religious belief.

This does not mean that I would be comfortable under a OWG run by the Americans. Any one know of a good way of moving to Mars?

(eek 2 ands)
*gasps*

Any one know of a good way of moving to Mars?
Three words:
Massive LSD overdose.
:D

No, not really. Every person is equally important to keep society running. There is no person "more important" than anyone else. It reminds of me of Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, and the only fair and reasonable way for society to coexist is by equal distribution of both wealth and goods.

you see this is where it all falls down -

I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil.

The largest Military Nation, ie. the USA has a predominantly Christian population, but is not a Christian state. It has a constitution that provides for freedom of religious belief.

This does not mean that I would be comfortable under a OWG run by the Americans. Any one know of a good way of moving to Mars?

NASA.

:p

You're right, and I'm right, it's all about semantics :) It is not officially a Christian nation, but try telling the USA that no-one is allowed to worship God? Be time to run methinks.

I mean, seriously, does this guy really think that he can keep everyone happy all of the time? Short of drugging us all up that is? Highly unrealistic. A OWG would just result in the same number of unhappy people, possibly more because the world has a lot of people with a lot of diverse opinions.

"Communism proven to work..."

Err, I don't think so. There isn't one state that is actually communist that works properly. Some factories in China for example, found that when all were paid the same, there was no incentive for the guy in charge of the factory to do anymore than some chap sweeping the floor - why take responsibility for no gain? I don't suppose anyone would argue that Russia was properly communist - poor advert if it was, because it only lasted 70-odd years then started to fall apart.

Anyway, the issue should not be about communism but about society as a meritocracy. Those people that contribute the most gain the most, those people that contribute nothing get nothing. This then paves the way for either an equal opportunities based capitalist or communist society.

Sadly a dictatorship won't work, since you need to have someone who is truly altruistic to act in the interests of others rather than themselves, and the list of dictators through history is not big on altruism. Neither are most ordinary politicians that altruistic either.

Best answer is, vote for me as world President and I'll try quite hard to be good, though I might forget or not be that good and might keep the best toys for myself, and of course, once I'm in power, I'm staying there

And of course after hearing that we'll need someone to keep an eye on him.

Vote TedBear and Nsendalen for your Benevolent Facsist Dictators!
(The Bureaucracy Starts Here!)

"Communism proven to work..."

Err, I don't think so. There isn't one state that is actually communist that works properly. Some factories in China for example, found that when all were paid the same, there was no incentive for the guy in charge of the factory to do anymore than some chap sweeping the floor - why take responsibility for no gain? I don't suppose anyone would argue that Russia was properly communist - poor advert if it was, because it only lasted 70-odd years then started to fall apart.

Anyway, the issue should not be about communism but about society as a meritocracy. Those people that contribute the most gain the most, those people that contribute nothing get nothing. This then paves the way for either an equal opportunities based capitalist or communist society.

Sadly a dictatorship won't work, since you need to have someone who is truly altruistic to act in the interests of others rather than themselves, and the list of dictators through history is not big on altruism. Neither are most ordinary politicians that altruistic either.

Best answer is, vote for me as world President and I'll try quite hard to be good, though I might forget or not be that good and might keep the best toys for myself, and of course, once I'm in power, I'm staying there
This is the problem with communism we need to find a blend of the two. Then ofcourse people dont want to have to support others so I that wouldnt work either

No, not really. Every person is equally important to keep society running. There is no person "more important" than anyone else. It reminds of me of Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, and the only fair and reasonable way for society to coexist is by equal distribution of both wealth and goods.

But surely the people in power would get more.....idk about you, but i don't want to work 40 hours just to afford a t-shirt.....you make communism seem perfect....but no system of governemnt is perfect....a communistic leader would have to be perfect.....benevolent...this is not true...absolute power corrupts absolutely....when there is a one world order...wait seven years until the end of days....

Anyone read or watch the hitchhikers guide?

They did away with the phone cleaners and hairdressers and others that were deemed not useful to society, the society they left promptly all died. i know this was fiction but we are all needed, and pay does not equal importance of work.

*Sighs while much of USA tries on this strange theory*

The first step would be to abolish country boarders and names, use a common language and a common currency.

Have a look at europe, the EU didn't exist until recently, and we're on to one currency, trying to settle on a default language, and creeping outwards, Russia and Turkey in europe?
So when will the US apply to join? The UK can encourage the Commonwealth to come in..

40 more years and we could have OWG :fluffle:

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Let’s face it, religion has done jack squat for the human race ever since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and started the religion that caused millions of death. And let’s not forget that other religion that caused millions of deaths, Islam, the scourge of humanity. By forcibly removing religion from the lives of humans, it would force us all to face reality instead of living in our current fantasy land, where we believe good works will lead to eternal life in Heaven. Sorry my friends, but that just ain’t happening. All religion manages to do is divide us all. Just look at all the wars that have started because of religion. All of this blood is on God’s hands, and just like the surplus population, we will have to expunge God from the world.

Well, under that logic we probably ought to expunge Marx's word from the world as well, as nations professing a Marxist (although not necessarily following) doctrine have killed more people in the last century than anything (besides diesease) or anybody else combined.

Anyone read or watch the hitchhikers guide?

They did away with the phone cleaners and hairdressers and others that were deemed not useful to society, the society they left promptly all died. i know this was fiction but we are all needed, and pay does not equal importance of work.

I have read the trilogy and remember that part.

And your theory sucks. Why should I, a hard working college student, receive the same pay when I graduate, as the guy who dropped out of high school because he "didn't have enough time to skateboard."

Hell no, your theory sucks.

I believe it’s high time for the dreaded New World Order to take its place. I know that most people have a fear of a one world government, but that fear is irrational. A one world government would be able to maintain peace and stability in a way that we can only dream of in today’s world. Just take a look at the movie “Equilibrium.” That world was one of perpetual peace until a bunch of rebels screwed everything up. One world governments are not the evil entities that everyone makes them out to be. It seems to me, in fact, that it is the only way to achieve what should be mankind’s ultimate goal: utopia.

A drugged happiness is no happiness. I want to have the right to be pissy.

You're coming across like the guy who said that 1984 was his model for the perfect society.

Of course, some radical measures would have to be taken. Democracy is out the window, since we obviously can’t handle that responsibility.
Well, first off, who are you to decide this. Who are you to decide where humanities going to go? What cache of wisdom do you have that no one else has?

Who the fuck appointed you God?

I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. I know, I know, that’s horrible of me to say. Trust me, I’m Jewish, I know all about genocide and the horrors it causes. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.
Ach Ja! Mein Fuehrer, ze degenerate elements of society!

Once again, who the hell gave you the power to decide this?

I have read the trilogy and remember that part.

And your theory sucks. Why should I, a hard working college student, receive the same pay when I graduate, as the guy who dropped out of high school because he "didn't have enough time to skateboard."

Hell no, your theory sucks.


Sorry, your trying to tell me that the the guy that dropped out doesn't work? and that as a student your working really hard?

Been there, you are making me laugh.

As a drop out they will work in the dirty, mind numbing menial tasks, for in general little cash. And you will work to retire early, live in a bigger house, with more things and better bank balance. Plus you will get respect. Nah.

Against my own comments, I am yet to understand how a train driver can get paid above the average wage for a job that a computer can do as well, but politically won't be allowed to?

In this crazy, topsy-turvy world, the pursuit of knowledge is the highest goal.

I'll respect the guy who does the menial work.
I'll admire the guy who studies and takes his field further.

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society. Why should Juanita Gonzalez or Dwayne Blackson be stuck living in a shithole in the slums of LA just because they works as gas station attendants? That is by no means fair, my friends, and a one world government that was based on communism would certainly prevent something like that from happening. It would also help them take care of however many children they had. An additional bonus to communism is food distribution, which would help alleviate the massive food shortages that our current governments seem unwilling or unable to prevent.

The world isn't fair. It never has been, from day one there has been competition. In nature the animals kill and are killed, I'd say our system is far more gentle than that one.

Where has communism been proven to work outside of small, devoted groups of volunteers like the Oneida community, Zoar Village or the Kibbutzes (don't even bring up the Paris Commune as that only lasted for like two months.) Please, tell me.

And see the posts in favor of a meritocracy, they'll explain my points further, I don't feel like rehashing what they already said.

Anything is better than that system....

Getting rid of 'The weak, the meek?' Is this going to be a military state?

EDIT: 300th post. Woo.

This idea could be worse.

BUT.

To actually enact it as you wish it?

You would need a disaster of world-wide proportions that shakes up governments and styles of life for everyone. That, or a totally clean slate.

With the existing history of the world, and the way people are, and the current state of the world (eek 2 ands) your goal cannot be achieved without the kind of tyrannical, corrupt and unpalatable methods that are confined to the worst of the Dystopias in our literature.

Flashbacks of Watchmen....

Anyhoo, Stormforge's own arguement defeats itself with this statement: "Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves." If the human race is terrible at governing ourselves, then there's no hope for a one world government to work.

An attempt of satire or a young person's guid to facist utopia? ;)

Utopia: "No Place" the only place you'll find this

Thank you, and God bless.

Seems contradictory to what you just said. :D

Anyhoo, Stormforge's own arguement defeats itself with this statement: "Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves." If the human race is terrible at governing ourselves, then there's no hope for a one world government to work.

Seconded..

Actually IMO, the government is running pretty well, compared to even the likes of communist nations. Sure it is corrupted, has its downfalls.. But nothing is perfect.

If there was a perfect governing system, the world would be implementing it already..

Plus, how is it not running well? Is the country in ruins? Or is it just the people are unhappy everybodies not driving around in ferrari's?

Let’s look at things from a rational point of view, shall we? There is not one nation on the Earth today that is being run properly. If you ask the citizens of any country they will undoubtedly have numerous complaints about the direction their country is headed in. Think about it. Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves. Democracies in particular seem especially inept at getting anything productive done. They just can’t seem to get anything right.

Of course, some radical measures would have to be taken. Democracy is out the window, since we obviously can’t handle that responsibility. I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line.

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative.

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There's so much wrong with what you've posted here that I scarcely know where to begin!

1. Whether or not a nation is being "run properly" is for the citizens of that nation to decide, not you or me. I have a great love of democracy in all its various forms because it gives a greater amount of power to the people than any other form. But if a people collectively decide, through the process of voting, that they desire a theocracy, then that is what they should have. And, God help me, if they want to have a communism, that's their business also. My only stipulation is that they at least have the opportunity to make that decision for themselves without coercion or undue influence.

2. I'm not even going to comment on your madness about "extermination."

3. As to your comments on the "removal of religion," there are massive numbers of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddists, Hindus, Pagans, and God knows what all ( ;) ) who would take serious ( and sometimes violent ) exception to this. Do you intend to exterminate all of them as well?

Here's another option for bringing peace to the world: http://paradigmassociates.org/ParadigmPaxAmericana.html

In a completely non aggressive or patronising tone: have any of you actually read extensively either Marxist or socialist ideology?

Everyone who argues against having to receive the same wage as the janitor in a medical clinic or the poor dolt who sits there turning bolt pieces around all day in a car factory is right. Why shouldn’t skill (and most of us develop our skills as a means of self-improvement) be discouraged from being creative and hard workers by being trapped under a ‘class ceiling’ (little joke for any economists). My understanding on contemporary socialism is that wage differentiation can, and should exist in a socialist society. Otherwise you end up with a stagnant economy where efficiency, productivity and creativity are unrewarded and therefore suffer, lowing the general potential for the standard of living.

The problem is at how much should the difference be between the highest and the lowest paid worker? Further more a communist + dictatorship would never work and if you end up with a dictatorship calling itself ‘communist’ then it’s lying. Under communism/socialism workers own “the means of production” so there are no Party stooges or secret-police informing bosses dobbing in workers who don’t like what’s going on [just co-workers to fill in that natural position of being back-stabbers and a group slacker ;)]. Accordingly the trade unions would be independent and not used as a tool to manipulate the workers.

Are you still with me? So in effect it’s the workers of each company who decide who gets paid what and how. Of course you would expect there to be some minimal government guidelines on minimum wage, income discrepancy and labour health and safety legislation etc. I’ve noticed Americans love to talk about people who make themselves what they are and who are responsible for their own status in life. It sounds like communism would be brilliant for them because each individual's really in charge of how much they earn depending on how hard they work!

In the last several months, especially in the last couple weeks, I have drifted from my real feelings. I have gone after the structure to fulfill my ideals, instead of concentrating on the ideals themselves. Long ago I told myself, rightly, that a man cannot know what needs to be done to make him happy until it is already done; this applies to many walks of life, life itself being the greatest one. In the end, I believe the people of the world need to be happy. The only sound axiom I can arrive at to make sure everyone is happy is to grant them the freedom they need to pursue their own ends.

Thus, I throw out my old beliefs in socialism, I would rather a man have the freedom to earn his own dollar than have the things he doesn't want or need given to him for free. But then I must also throw out capitalism, for such a utopian system is open to great abuses cannot guaruntee happiness for all forever. What does this leave me?

Well, it's really quite simple. I know I am already happy in today's world, but I also know many people are not. In the end, I can trace the feelings of these unhappy people to very abuses of the very system I have just thrown out. This seems to only prove my thoughts, but I must continue to think.

If socialism, especially extreme socialism, represents the absolute control of an economy and very little economic freedom, then the only possible opposite for this is capitalism. But, you say, you have thrown out capitalism as a utopian dream too vulnerable to be considered reality. The only way I can respond is with a time honored quote:

"Free trade can never be truely free unless it is also fair trade"

Thus, we arrive at Adam Smith's original precepts about capitalism, that the system would be self-regulating according to the whims of the people. Of course, in the modern world, the average person is not entirely intelligent enough to participate in this idea of an invisible, regulating hand. Now, unexpectedly, I run across the second axiom I now wish to use: available, preferably free education.

However, even this ideal has a problem in the question of "Who will provide this?". Of course, the first mention will not doubt go to the government. But, you might say, is not the government inherently corrupt, untrustable? Not so, say I, not so. Here are two very good quotes that are all the answer there is for the question asked:

"Founding Fathers Quotes

Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. "

The American Declaration of Independence

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."

Noah Webster

These two quotes, in the end, strike upon the greatest principle of governance: the government only ever rules with the consent of the governed. Simplistically, there're more of us than there are of them.

However, why not take this a step further? Why make the "them" go away? In today's day and age of communications technology, it would be quite simple to provide the means of every man and woman of voting age to be able to vote on any issue that were to come up. This brings along the third axiom: absolute political freedom in the form of direct vote democracy.

While the logistics of setting up such a system would be quite formidible, once in place, it would fulfill one of the greatests criterion of all time, "A government of the people shall not perish from this Earth". It would, in essence, be invincible to the normal corruption of every other government in the world.

But this casual sentence brings up another issue: the world. It's quite well and simple ot provide the needed consumer knowledge to create the utopian capitalist system of Smith's dreams and skirt corruption in the government via a direct democracy in the United States, but there is a whole six billion odd other people in the world who don't live here, and thus would not be happy. Moving a direct democratic government up to the world stage would create even larger logistical problems and would already amplify the problem of ignorant mob rule, something I will touch upon later.

Now, it is necassary for me to step aside a moment and explain to you, the reader, my original reason for creating this topic. My intent, at least in the beginning, was to reaffirm my ardent pacifist views of the world via several very hard hitting quotes about the great crime against humanity that is war. However, I went off on a tanget rather early on that has branched out quite a bit to be a complete analysis of my philosophies on life.

Regardless, this is the point in the topic where I encounter a contradiction of the original intent and an explaination of the title.

I believe, in the end, that no war is a good war. No war is a war worth fighting, except for one. The revolution, the overthrowing of one's opressor and the grasping of one's right to happiness and freedom. However, even this war is a war that saddens me, "Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime". This quote, from Ernest Hemingway for those who are curious, personifies my feelings about war to a T.

However, there is another quote that also seems to show the apparent contradiction in my views.


"Better to fight for something than live for nothing."

General George S. Patton

For one human to shed the blood of another human is always wrong, no matter what, but sometimes it is a necessary evil. If it is the overthrow of a tyrant by the oppressed masses, then they must fight their fight.

This puts into scope the problem I face. For the world, for the majority of humanity to be free to pursue their own happiness, then war seems almost unaviodable, especially in our world of dictators and genocides. I find it hard to reconcile my views with foriegn intervention in the form of a democracy warring against a dictator, I feel only the oppressed can truely be the ones to rise up against their so-called "leader".

But, in the end, I do not think it is possible to accomplish the uniting of the world without resorting to war; a war for freedom is still a war, and still a crime, but there is nothing else that can be done. This is the fourth, and most reluctuant, axiom: the necessary fight for the freedom of the world's people.

You say, though, that what happens after this is accomplished? Once the entire world is one big direct democracy? What happens when the minority becomes disallusioned with the decisions of the majority, simply because the majority is so different form the minority?

The only possible answer is the the abolishment of comlicated law and the simplification of what we need to ban. In the end, the only thing that man really needs to be rid of are the things that impede someone's search for happiness. Muder, assault, other violence, theft, racism, all the great threats to a man's life, freedom, and search for happiness. This is the fifth axiom: the establishment of limits on even the government of the people, for the majority is not always correct.

The end result of all this, it would seem, is a world that is one step from anarchy, but full enough of people who are well enough educated to avoid being duped by the likes of the massive corporations which, in truth, wouldn't exist in such a world, but all the people are happy simply because they can do anything they need to do to achieve that happiness.

This is my view of the perfect world.

Somehow I do disagree with you. I think a governed world is indeed a nice idea but the problem would be the centralisation itself. You would not be able to check on all parts of the world at the same time and there would be plenty of corruption in many parts of the world. Eliminating religion would solve some problems but people many westerners and plenty of other people would object to the limitation of individuality and before you know it, riots all across the globe. Elimanation is also another way to get people riled up. Just be prejudiced against the lazy and the stupid. The stupid won't object because they won't understand and the lazy will not have enough energy to protest.

Here is my idea that I've been kicking around for some time. Eliminate govermental and individual power. Don't limit individual freedom, let people be nudists or smoke pot or whatever (as long as they don't physically harm one another) but also give them no say in the way others should live. I also like the socialist ideal of equal pay because we are all equal and those who shouldn't be paid are the ones who don't work (with the exception of the mentally and phsyically disabled). However this would be tricky to do without a form of government so I'm still playing with this idea. Your fundamental ideas are good, but your way of executing them are somewhat misguided.

In the last several months, especially in the last couple weeks, I have drifted from my real feelings. I have gone after the structure to fulfill my ideals, instead of concentrating on the ideals themselves. Long ago I told myself, rightly, that a man cannot know what needs to be done to make him happy until it is already done; this applies to many walks of life, life itself being the greatest one. In the end, I believe the people of the world need to be happy. The only sound axiom I can arrive at to make sure everyone is happy is to grant them the freedom they need to pursue their own ends.

You could have stopped right here and I would still have totally agreed with you! :D

I thought you said this was going to be a serious thread. You must be joking. If not please see below

I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.

What if I believe anyone who thinks the way you do is evil? Does that give me or a group who believe like me the right to kill you? I hope not. Also, you forgot to add one a group to that list, those who are motivated by gain and accomplishment, who would no longer have motivation to acheive. Of course, if you destroy them, you destroy the likes of Einstein, Franklin, Ford, Newton, Davinci and a host of other major contributors to our current understand of the world, making survival even less likely for humanity.

Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society.

When and where and what are the circumstances for all who live under such rule?

That is by no means fair, my friends, and a one world government that was based on communism would certainly prevent something like that from happening. It would also help them take care of however many children they had. An additional bonus to communism is food distribution, which would help alleviate the massive food shortages that our current governments seem unwilling or unable to prevent.

While I emphatically disapprove of the rich oppressing the poor, what gives you or anyone else the right to take from me, what I work for, by force? Where I come from that is considered evil, it is called stealing.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Please take some time to carefully consider my points. I believe they are valid and, if they are followed, will lead to a better world for all of mankind. I'm sorry I'm going to sleep soon, so I won't be able to discuss this until tomorrow. Thank you, and God bless.

In that case we'd have to extrimate all Jews as well. Isn't their whole racial identity religion based? Didn't they, in the name of religion, exterminate the caananites? If you really believe in this idea are you willing to put your own head on the chopping block?

Please know that I believe this idea is bordering on the same kind of mentality as that of Hitler and Stalin and displays a complete disregard for human rights. The points I made about exterminating Jews were only to remind us of how dangerous and ludicris this way of thinking is and in no way represents anything that I want to happen.

I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. I know, I know, that’s horrible of me to say. Trust me, I’m Jewish, I know all about genocide and the horrors it causes. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.


You're Jewish like I am the pope.

When did "the meek" become incorrigible?

Everything you have described has been tried or strived for by previous authors, tyrants, and villains with miserable results.

before you know it, riots all across the globe.

Unfortunetly people are rarely ever as heroic as this. Two stratgies to keep people content is 'Bread and Circuses' or 'Hollywood and MacDonalds' to make sure everyone maintains an inward focuses, limited and politically passive lifestyle. the Other would be Bread and Guns, manipulate fear and use brute force to maintain order. Eventually we will probably end up in A] a global Holocaust as such systems are always paranoid and create various 'enemies within'. B] George Orwell's 1984 where ou can pitch various regions of the war in a stagnant war against one another to wear down resistence 'shhh, there's a war on don't you know?' or C] a perpetually degrading world where innocation and individuality are submerged under hegemonic identity and the restrainst of consumerist thinking - "ME"

I do not even know where to begin, the utter foolishness of it! This has to be bait, who would be so stupid as to try and use a fictional sci-fi movie as the basis for a new world order? To propose we wipe people out just because the government, who values everyone equally, values them less? To remove all forms of motovation for people to do difficult tasks and all compensation for those who have to suffer extra hardships? :rolleyes: No, the world isn't perfect, but what you propose would IMHO be worse.

And now Eutru et all have arrived, so I'm backing off.

Laters Skaters!

*flees*

This is my view of the perfect world.

The problem is, in a world of limited resources and people motivatived by greed and selfishness like the one we live in, no form governance has the capacity to create an environment where everyone can or will be happy.

I do not even know where to begin, the utter foolishness of it! This has to be bait, who would be so stupid as to try and use a fictional sci-fi movie as the basis for a new world order? To propose we wipe people out just because the government, who values everyone equally, values them less? To remove all forms of motovation for people to do difficult tasks and all compensation for those who have to suffer extra hardships? :rolleyes: No, the world isn't perfect, but what you propose would IMHO be worse.

Hey, i've actually known people who based serious discussion on "global conspiracies" on television shows and movies they had seen as well as sci-fi books.

hey. here is a solution to the problems! Blow the earth up, and exterminate ALL life. then shoot yourself. No more war, poverty inequity, disease etc. its the perfect system!

You could have stopped right here and I would still have totally agreed with you! :D

The Beautiful American Ideal of Freedom. :)

It's either that, Egg's and Chips Solution, or Facist Tyranny with propoganda shouting in your ear that "Your Happy". :D

No, not really. Every person is equally important to keep society running. There is no person "more important" than anyone else. It reminds of me of Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, and the only fair and reasonable way for society to coexist is by equal distribution of both wealth and goods.



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So some crack addict who robs people is just as important to society as an engineer, or doctor?

Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass, and try to realize why Communism will never work.

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society. Why should Juanita Gonzalez or Dwayne Blackson be stuck living in a shithole in the slums of LA just because they works as gas station attendants?

No one is forcing Juanita or Dwayne to be gas station attendants. No one has stopped them from trying to better themselves through education or hard work.




Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Let’s face it, religion has done jack squat for the human race ever since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and started the religion that caused millions of death. And let’s not forget that other religion that caused millions of deaths, Islam, the scourge of humanity. By forcibly removing religion from the lives of humans, it would force us all to face reality instead of living in our current fantasy land, where we believe good works will lead to eternal life in Heaven. Sorry my friends, but that just ain’t happening. All religion manages to do is divide us all. Just look at all the wars that have started because of religion. All of this blood is on God’s hands, and just like the surplus population, we will have to expunge God from the world.


I think in a lot of cases where someone says they are waging war for God, that they are really waging war for themselves. The blood is on their hands, not God's.

You want to get rid of the surplus population? Wow, how are you going to decide who's surplus? You'd better do it quickly and in secrecy because if many people were to find out they are "surplus" they will be rising up against your government.

oh great...another teenage facist.


Like the teenage anarchists, he'll grow up one day.

Or be ostracized from reasonable society.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter what you do, there is ALWAYS going to be at least one group of people who do not like the governments laws. If some crazy pot smoking hippie told the government he demanded shooting to be outlawed, I'd be mighty pissed off. And what if I decided smoking marijuana was bad? If the government legalises it, i'll be shitty, if they keep it illegal, the dirty hippies will be shitty.

Face it, your 'New World' is a lose/lose situation.

By the way, if everyone is "equally important to society", who is going to be culled? Everyone is the same, so it doesnt matter who you choose.

I hope you get culled.

Fucking communists trying to take over the world...

By the way, if everyone is "equally important to society", who is going to be culled? Everyone is the same, so it doesnt matter who you choose.

I hope you get culled.

Fucking communists trying to take over the world...
Pretty sure America is already trying pretty damned hard ;)

Hey, my thread is back. Awesome. I thought it was dead. Now people can keep commenting on my stupidity. Huzzah!

Hey, my thread is back. Awesome. I thought it was dead. Now people can keep commenting on my stupidity. Huzzah!

LOL!

The largest Military Nation, ie. the USA has a predominantly Christian population, but is not a Christian state. It has a constitution that provides for freedom of religious belief.

This does not mean that I would be comfortable under a OWG run by the Americans. Any one know of a good way of moving to Mars?

get into a really big mass driver

If you're going to mention the

Fucking communists trying to take over the world...

then i owuld to hear on what you have to saying about the Fucking capitalists who already have ;)

Let’s look at things from a rational point of view, shall we? There is not one nation on the Earth today that is being run properly. If you ask the citizens of any country they will undoubtedly have numerous complaints about the direction their country is headed in. Think about it. Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves. Democracies in particular seem especially inept at getting anything productive done. They just can’t seem to get anything right.

I believe it’s high time for the dreaded New World Order to take its place. I know that most people have a fear of a one world government, but that fear is irrational. A one world government would be able to maintain peace and stability in a way that we can only dream of in today’s world. Just take a look at the movie “Equilibrium.” That world was one of perpetual peace until a bunch of rebels screwed everything up. One world governments are not the evil entities that everyone makes them out to be. It seems to me, in fact, that it is the only way to achieve what should be mankind’s ultimate goal: utopia.

Of course, some radical measures would have to be taken. Democracy is out the window, since we obviously can’t handle that responsibility. I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. I know, I know, that’s horrible of me to say. Trust me, I’m Jewish, I know all about genocide and the horrors it causes. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society. Why should Juanita Gonzalez or Dwayne Blackson be stuck living in a shithole in the slums of LA just because they works as gas station attendants? That is by no means fair, my friends, and a one world government that was based on communism would certainly prevent something like that from happening. It would also help them take care of however many children they had. An additional bonus to communism is food distribution, which would help alleviate the massive food shortages that our current governments seem unwilling or unable to prevent.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Let’s face it, religion has done jack squat for the human race ever since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and started the religion that caused millions of death. And let’s not forget that other religion that caused millions of deaths, Islam, the scourge of humanity. By forcibly removing religion from the lives of humans, it would force us all to face reality instead of living in our current fantasy land, where we believe good works will lead to eternal life in Heaven. Sorry my friends, but that just ain’t happening. All religion manages to do is divide us all. Just look at all the wars that have started because of religion. All of this blood is on God’s hands, and just like the surplus population, we will have to expunge God from the world.

Please take some time to carefully consider my points. I believe they are valid and, if they are followed, will lead to a better world for all of mankind. I'm sorry I'm going to sleep soon, so I won't be able to discuss this until tomorrow. Thank you, and God bless.

Few nations are governed well, but that doesn't give any of us the right to impose our images of utopian governance on them. Poor government is the result of the fact that the kinds of people who have the ability to gain power are very seldom fit to govern. Power corrupts - maybe, but power is in the eye of the beholder.
Democracy doesn't work, I agree. However, elements of democracy should remain. SPQR is the best example of govenment the world has ever seen, so I suggest something along the same lines.
Mankind's ultimate goal is not utopia, it is to be left alone to live our lives with reletive freedom.
Exterminations? I'm generally one of the first to defend Hitler, but that is totally unacceptable. Exile I can accept, extermination I cannot. Think about what you're saying. You obviously don't understand the motive behind the Jewish part of the 'final solution' in the Third Reich.
Communism could work well. However, people are NOT equal in all respects. That was one of the problems with democracy.
Religion: Let people believe and practice what they like. I agree, blood should not be spilt over religion, but banning spirituality is not acceptable. Islam, the scourge of humanity? It's one of the most intellectual religions on the planet. Your definition of 'religion' is very limited.
All in all, I think the main problem with government today is that it involves too many damn people. World government will not work. No entity could do this - govern the world. We need to break up current government systems into smaller, more manageable pieces. An organisation should exist that taxes nations based on their GNP, etc. to do things like pay the Brazilians not to cut down the Amazon. That would be a good idea. However, if some bureaucrat in the US (and let's face it, that's what it would be) starts telling me how to live my life, your 'new world order' can kiss it's ass goodbye.

Hey, my thread is back. Awesome. I thought it was dead. Now people can keep commenting on my stupidity. Huzzah!

Not stupidity, Hitler wasn't stupid. Rather.. dangerous. :D Or fanatical.

Not stupidity, Hitler wasn't stupid. Rather.. dangerous. :D Or fanatical.I know I've created a monster when people start comparing me to Hitler. I guess that's what happens when you endorse mass exterminations, eh?

No one is forcing Juanita or Dwayne to be gas station attendants. No one has stopped them from trying to better themselves through education or hard work.
No matter how hard Dwayne and Juanita work, there always will be someone who will take their place. And once people realize that all their academic skills dont fuel their cars, but an underpaid bluecollar does, they might recognize that indeed each part of the working force has its important place. Personally i dont see why the worker who builds something gets paid a fraction of the manager who controls him. The worker produces actual value, the manager just admistrates.
Not that i generally agree with Stormforge.

I say we build our own state on the Moon, and then nuke the Earth. No offense.

...Islam, the scourge of humanity...
i cant really believe i just read that :headbang:

please never let this intolerant kid become anything in the way of national - or world - governance.

i cant really believe i just read that :headbang:

please never let this intolerant kid become anything in the way of national - or world - governance.

A majority of non-Muslims in Western countries probably already hold this view. If they don't voice it publicly, they believe it secretly.

I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.

I thought the meek were supposed to inherit the earth...not be wiped off it...

This is weird...I just watched that blah movie, "I, Robot" and was going to start a thread sort of like this, but more in the idea of "What would it take to ensure peace on earth?" It seems to me that it would entail such a curtailing of freedoms that we would likely be unable to make any major decisions on our own.. What constitutes peace, really? Is it only the absence of physical violence? Or is it the absence of all forms of violence: physical, mental, social, economic, political...where would we draw the line to say, "On this side lies peace....to stray brings chaos!"

I abhor the things that we, as a species, are capable of. We are capable of the lowest forms of feelings and actions, but we are also capable of the highest. We can devastate our environment, or live in harmony with it. We are a species of dualities...light and dark, good and evil, ying and yang. I believe that to cut one aspect out would destroy the whole. No matter what sort of "peace" is imposed upon a people, the human spirit will chafe, and eventually force us to rise up in negation of these soft chains.

The only way I think we could come close to our goal of peace is through a never ending, fluctuating TRUE democratic process from the regional, to the international level. It would never be perfect, it would sometimes fail, and change would be necessary often. Yet by making more people true masters of their destinies, by giving people the power to truly shape their lives, we preserve freedom and we preserve peace....the kind of peace that comes from knowing that not only are you capable of great things, but that you will also be allowed to take your own destiny in your hands.

But we already have that, you say. No, no we don't. Not when the majority of the world has no say over the conditions in which they live. Not when poverty is the only inheritance for billions of people. Not when our idea of democracy is the occasional vote. Not when economic inequality is not only considered normal, but desirable....and not when the human rights of some matter far more than the human rights of others.

In short (too late)...I would reject any sort of imposed peace if it meant giving up our freedoms (not guaranteed by any Constitution or law, but the inherent freedom to ACT). To me, such a peace would only be another face of violence: submission.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative....we will have to expunge God from the world.

Thank you, and God bless.
Do you see the irony in this...

oh great...another teenage facist.
It's strange that so many teenagers seem drawn to fascism when the whole point of adolescence is to find one's own personality and beliefs (usually by rebelling against any and all authority):). Well, I toyed with it too...then rejected it. We all need to consider as many possibilities as we can and compare them to our belief systems....teenagers just have the ability to be so much more passionate and firm in their convictions (for however long it lasts) than adults. I like that about them....it doesn't mean they're stupid, or narrow minded or crazy fanatics...they are more idealistic because they haven't yet been crushed down by human folly (which is the excuse so many adults give as to why they are politically lazy). Let me tell you....I'd debate a teenager over a firmly-entrenched, close-minded politician of whatever leaning any day....because idealism will kill cynicism every time.

This idea could be worse.

BUT.

To actually enact it as you wish it?

You would need a disaster of world-wide proportions that shakes up governments and styles of life for everyone. That, or a totally clean slate.

With the existing history of the world, and the way people are, and the current state of the world (eek 2 ands) your goal cannot be achieved without the kind of tyrannical, corrupt and unpalatable methods that are confined to the worst of the Dystopias in our literature.
You'd run out of bullets before you manage to 'wipe out corruption'. Human history has shown....destroy a despot and then take his place....

"Every revolutionary becomes a conservative a day after the revolution." - (can't remember who said this)

Do you see the irony in this...

I did, actually. :p

The world isn't fair. It never has been, from day one there has been competition. In nature the animals kill and are killed, I'd say our system is far more gentle than that one.
Check your history books again...animals kill for food or to protect their territories...humans are the only animals that kill for fun. Our system is far less gentle, or sensical than the animal world. We do run a "survival of the fittest" global system....the strong survive by exploiting the weak....no weak, no strong.


And see the posts in favor of a meritocracy, they'll explain my points further, I don't feel like rehashing what they already said.I think everyone would like a meritocracy, no matter what economic system it was in. However, a meritocracy would need a far greater democratic involvement by the average person.....and every political -ism out there is guilty of thinking a few 'smarter' folks can run things much better than 'the masses'. A meritocracy would be a fairly anarchistic (in the sense of having so much involvement, a single overweening system would be impossible), but would allow people even at the smallest levels (villages and so on) to put those people into power that can best do the job, as well as replacing them with ease if it becomes necessary.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what "those in power" fear most...since the majority of them would lose their jobs...I mean...in Canada, you don't have to have any background in your ministry to become a Minister! You could be a lawyer in charge of Education! Or a gardener in charge of Defense! ARGGHHH!!!!

In a completely non aggressive or patronising tone: have any of you actually read extensively either Marxist or socialist ideology?

Thank you....many people HAVEN'T looked much into the -ism they oppose...which is hardly a good way of weighing its validity. I for one, admit freely that my knowlege of fascism comes from real world examples rather than a real understanding of the underlying philosophy....so I don't talk much about it. My analysis of capitalism still needs work...though I'm getting there...

As long as people admit there may be things they don't know about a system, and are open to new information, these kinds of conversations will still be worthwhile. Once you take the stance that you know all there is to know, conversation simply becomes a trading of rhetoric.

i cant really believe i just read that :headbang:

please never let this intolerant kid become anything in the way of national - or world - governance.
He (or she) is just trying out some ideas...we all do that sometimes...it doesn't mean the poster really believes all of this or will not change his/her mind. Chill out...no one is going to force this on you. Be rational if you want to change minds and don't let ideas alone offend you, no matter how they are worded.

And now Eutru et all have arrived, so I'm backing off.
Jeeze! NOW what did I do??? :headbang:

Ok, I was reading the forums for a game the guys and I play, Nations States and came across this post.

Let’s look at things from a rational point of view, shall we? There is not one nation on the Earth today that is being run properly. If you ask the citizens of any country they will undoubtedly have numerous complaints about the direction their country is headed in. Think about it. Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves. Democracies in particular seem especially inept at getting anything productive done. They just can’t seem to get anything right.

I believe it’s high time for the dreaded New World Order to take its place. I know that most people have a fear of a one world government, but that fear is irrational. A one world government would be able to maintain peace and stability in a way that we can only dream of in today’s world. Just take a look at the movie “Equilibrium.” That world was one of perpetual peace until a bunch of rebels screwed everything up. One world governments are not the evil entities that everyone makes them out to be. It seems to me, in fact, that it is the only way to achieve what should be mankind’s ultimate goal: utopia.

Of course, some radical measures would have to be taken. Democracy is out the window, since we obviously can’t handle that responsibility. I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. I know, I know, that’s horrible of me to say. Trust me, I’m Jewish, I know all about genocide and the horrors it causes. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society. Why should Juanita Gonzalez or Dwayne Blackson be stuck living in a shithole in the slums of LA just because they works as gas station attendants? That is by no means fair, my friends, and a one world government that was based on communism would certainly prevent something like that from happening. It would also help them take care of however many children they had. An additional bonus to communism is food distribution, which would help alleviate the massive food shortages that our current governments seem unwilling or unable to prevent.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Let’s face it, religion has done jack squat for the human race ever since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and started the religion that caused millions of death. And let’s not forget that other religion that caused millions of deaths, Islam, the scourge of humanity. By forcibly removing religion from the lives of humans, it would force us all to face reality instead of living in our current fantasy land, where we believe good works will lead to eternal life in Heaven. Sorry my friends, but that just ain’t happening. All religion manages to do is divide us all. Just look at all the wars that have started because of religion. All of this blood is on God’s hands, and just like the surplus population, we will have to expunge God from the world.

Please take some time to carefully consider my points. I believe they are valid and, if they are followed, will lead to a better world for all of mankind. I'm sorry I'm going to sleep soon, so I won't be able to discuss this until tomorrow. Thank you, and God bless.

Now that you have read that twisted piece of logic I would like to take that point by point and refute it. Please, read on.

Let’s look at things from a rational point of view, shall we? There is not one nation on the Earth today that is being run properly. If you ask the citizens of any country they will undoubtedly have numerous complaints about the direction their country is headed in. Think about it. Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves. Democracies in particular seem especially inept at getting anything productive done. They just can’t seem to get anything right.

Lets look at paragraph number one. I will give him that many of the nations of today (or ever) are run in the most effective manner. Now I will say that I am slightly biased in that I think that even though America is not run perfectly I would not want to live anywhere else. Once I turn 21 there is nothing that I can't do that I would ever want to do. We have that freedom, it's a good thing. Yes, humans suck at governing themsleves, its called sin, we mess up all the time, we are NOT perfect, thats life, deal with it. Democracies seem especially inept at getting things done? Are you sure you are not talking about the United nations? Democracy is great, but you really have to remember that no one is perfect.

I believe it’s high time for the dreaded New World Order to take its place. I know that most people have a fear of a one world government, but that fear is irrational. A one world government would be able to maintain peace and stability in a way that we can only dream of in today’s world. Just take a look at the movie “Equilibrium.” That world was one of perpetual peace until a bunch of rebels screwed everything up. One world governments are not the evil entities that everyone makes them out to be. It seems to me, in fact, that it is the only way to achieve what should be mankind’s ultimate goal: utopia.

The New World Order, thats not gonna work. Practically it's not gonna work, kinda like Communism, for a number of reasons. One, there are so many cultures and beliefs and ideas out there that are so different that there is no way the whole world could be controlled by one government. Two, you think government is big and bulky and slow and innefficent now? Think about how bad it would be if one government tried to run the whole world. Now, on to my favorite part, I love the movie "Equilibrium" it's better than the Matrix in my opinion. But how can you say that the society that they had of "perpetual peace" was good? Did you notice that that had regularly scheduled times where they shot themselves up with drugs to they had zip, zero, nill in the emotion department. That's not the way life is ment to be, as it was said in the movie "Without love life is just a clock ticking." Not cool. The rebels in the movie were not screwing things up, they realized that emotion and feelings are a nessarry part of humans and without that it's not really life.

Of course, some radical measures would have to be taken. Democracy is out the window, since we obviously can’t handle that responsibility. I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. I know, I know, that’s horrible of me to say. Trust me, I’m Jewish, I know all about genocide and the horrors it causes. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible.

Ok, let me get this straight, "I imagine there would have to me mass exterminations somewhere along the line." then just a sentence or two later "But I'm not talking about genocide. I'm talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind." Let me ask something, who is going to make that decision? Who gets to decide what the "bad parts of humankind" are? I can tell you right now I don't want that job, I don't think anyone would want that job. Even if someone started out with the best intentions and was careful about who got, er, "weeded out" and who didn't let me tell you, eventually, and prolly pretty quick, it's gonna get out of hand. Now I can't say I know what the Jew's went through, or even that I knew any Jewish people, but maybe you should join Price Harry on his little field trip to Germany just to make sure you know what you are talking about. All Hitler wanted to do was "weed out the bad parts of humankind", there is NO excuse, ever, for something like that to happen, period.

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society. Why should Juanita Gonzalez or Dwayne Blackson be stuck living in a shithole in the slums of LA just because they works as gas station attendants? That is by no means fair, my friends, and a one world government that was based on communism would certainly prevent something like that from happening. It would also help them take care of however many children they had. An additional bonus to communism is food distribution, which would help alleviate the massive food shortages that our current governments seem unwilling or unable to prevent.

First off, Life Is Not Fair. I would also like some examples of Communism working, honestly, I really don't see any. Please, do not say China or Cuba or something like that, just because a government is in place does not mean that it works. Actually I already explained to someone why Communism will not work, ever. For one, this is not a perfect world, we have both lazy and hard working people, people with many skills, and people with none. With this variety of people there is no way they all deserve the same reward for the work they do, besides, why should someone who is lazy and works three hours a day get paid the same as a hard working person who worked a twelve hour day and improved the efficiency of an aspect of the company, answer, they shouldn't. Now if the world was perfect, communism would work, but its not and thus it will not work.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Let’s face it, religion has done jack squat for the human race ever since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and started the religion that caused millions of death. And let’s not forget that other religion that caused millions of deaths, Islam, the scourge of humanity. By forcibly removing religion from the lives of humans, it would force us all to face reality instead of living in our current fantasy land, where we believe good works will lead to eternal life in Heaven. Sorry my friends, but that just ain’t happening. All religion manages to do is divide us all. Just look at all the wars that have started because of religion. All of this blood is on God’s hands, and just like the surplus population, we will have to expunge God from the world.

All I am going to say about this is that you can have my religion when you pry it from my cold dead fingers and you will be hard pressed to get it even then.

Please take some time to carefully consider my points. I believe they are valid and, if they are followed, will lead to a better world for all of mankind. I'm sorry I'm going to sleep soon, so I won't be able to discuss this until tomorrow. Thank you, and God bless.

I think I pretty well cleaned your clock regarding your “points” and their validity. I almost wish you had not brought this up at all but I have enjoyed refuting your “points” and it gave me something to do so, Thank You. But I have just one question, in the paragraph before you advocate the removal of religion but you end with a God Bless, I am confused, you can't have it both ways. Also, ninjas, monkeys, and the french are evil.

Religion owns you!

i cant really believe i just read that :headbang:

please never let this intolerant kid become anything in the way of national - or world - governance.
Actually this is one time where I agree with him, although I'd take it a little farther and say "Religion, scourge of humanity"

Die you atheist commie jackass!

And im a teenager

Die you atheist commie jackass!

And im a teenager
It shows.

Do you see the irony in this...Hmmmm... Now why would I write such a thing? Why on earth would I end a diatribe in which I demonize religion with the phrase "God bless"? That's blatantly contradictory! What could my motivation possibly have been?

I wonder...

Let’s look at things from a rational point of view, shall we? There is not one nation on the Earth today that is being run properly. If you ask the citizens of any country they will undoubtedly have numerous complaints about the direction their country is headed in. Think about it. Not one single country is being run effectively. What does this say about the human race in general? We are awful at governing ourselves. Democracies in particular seem especially inept at getting anything productive done. They just can’t seem to get anything right..

Okay, the fact that people have numerous complaints about the direction of their countries does not necessarily mean that we are awful at governing ourselves. There will always be complaints because we don't always agree with absolutely everything that is going on. If their were no complaints or even *few* complaints which you seem to expect will be the case with your NWO then I would seriously question if there was some sort of absolute repression going on by the world government and that doesn't float with me.

I believe it’s high time for the dreaded New World Order to take its place. I know that most people have a fear of a one world government, but that fear is irrational. A one world government would be able to maintain peace and stability in a way that we can only dream of in today’s world. Just take a look at the movie “Equilibrium.” That world was one of perpetual peace until a bunch of rebels screwed everything up. One world governments are not the evil entities that everyone makes them out to be. It seems to me, in fact, that it is the only way to achieve what should be mankind’s ultimate goal: utopia.

First of all, how do you propose achieving your New World Order? If you go to places like say, Texas, with "Communism is the answer" and expect everyone to just roll over and accept, you're living in a dream world. Also, basing your argument for your New World Order's stronger ability to maintain peace and stability on a movie isn't really convincing too me. And I really don't think "mankind's" utopia can be achieved by telling people that it's either the world's way (determined by you or a small group or even a large group of people who agree with everything you say) or the highway.

Of course, some radical measures would have to be taken. Democracy is out the window, since we obviously can’t handle that responsibility. I imagine there would have to be mass exterminations somewhere along the line. I know, I know, that’s horrible of me to say. Trust me, I’m Jewish, I know all about genocide and the horrors it causes. But I’m not talking about genocide. I’m talking about weeding out the bad parts of humankind. The lazy, the weak, the meek, the corrupt, the bad, the downright evil. These people are incorrigible, that at least should be clear. The easiest solution would be to remove them from society in the most final way possible..

Thus making it perfectly rational for people to fear a NWO. They could *DIE* because they want to live in a democracy or because they're lazy weak or meek. Everyone is lazy at one point in their life. Everyone becomes weak and it won't kill anyone to be a little more meek but apparently it would in your world! Thank goodness your New World Order isn't happening anytime soon!

We also need some serious wealth redistribution because, let’s be honest, capitalism has really screwed over the little guy. Communism has been proven to work, contrary to popular belief, and it would certainly be the most fair means by which to order society. Why should Juanita Gonzalez or Dwayne Blackson be stuck living in a shithole in the slums of LA just because they works as gas station attendants? That is by no means fair, my friends, and a one world government that was based on communism would certainly prevent something like that from happening. It would also help them take care of however many children they had. An additional bonus to communism is food distribution, which would help alleviate the massive food shortages that our current governments seem unwilling or unable to prevent.

Okay every system of government is not without flaws and communism is *no exception*. Like I said before, you go around trying to push people into communism you better have lots of proof that your system works better because people will not roll over and accept it.

Lastly, but certainly not least, the complete removal of religion would be imperative. Let’s face it, religion has done jack squat for the human race ever since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and started the religion that caused millions of death. And let’s not forget that other religion that caused millions of deaths, Islam, the scourge of humanity. By forcibly removing religion from the lives of humans, it would force us all to face reality instead of living in our current fantasy land, where we believe good works will lead to eternal life in Heaven. Sorry my friends, but that just ain’t happening. All religion manages to do is divide us all. Just look at all the wars that have started because of religion. All of this blood is on God’s hands, and just like the surplus population, we will have to expunge God from the world.

You cannot expunge religion from the world. You can try but its everywhere and it will always be. If you say, burn all religious texts they will practice their religion orally. If you say punish people for practicing or preaching you will have martyrs on your hand. If you brainwash people into not believing well, then, you're evil in my book and I guess in your book that would mean you should be exterminated. :)

Please take some time to carefully consider my points. I believe they are valid and, if they are followed, will lead to a better world for all of mankind. I'm sorry I'm going to sleep soon, so I won't be able to discuss this until tomorrow. Thank you, and God bless.

I can't see how all of your points would lead to a better world. I can see how they would lead to a miserable life to those who would disagree with your NWO and that doesn't fit with the word "world utopia". I do believe that we should focus on a more worldly approach towards solving problems instead of the blatant nationalism that seems to be prevalent on todays Earth but I do not believe that subjecting everyone to a system of governement, even democracy, is the answer.

Three words: Ignorance is bliss.

Better to live with blind optimism that humanity is good and the world is becoming a better place and we're all really fluffy bunnies at heart then to actually think of these things.

Plus, your one fo the many nerd/geek/tech guys who because they have read the slightest bit of Mao or Lenin believe they hold the answer to everything and are far better than there peers who in their mind think only of girls, booze, and parties....*sigh

Get off your self-righteous ass and die. please. Just because you know of communism does not mean you are A) smart b) cool and C) impressive. Grow up and come back with an opinion that matters, retard.

He (or she) is just trying out some ideas...we all do that sometimes...it doesn't mean the poster really believes all of this or will not change his/her mind. Chill out...no one is going to force this on you. Be rational if you want to change minds and don't let ideas alone offend you, no matter how they are worded.
bah im usually open about ideas and opinions, but islam being the scourge of humanity (exact words) is too extreme even for me. if i said - like a one particularly notable figure in history - that the jews were the scourge of humanity, some people might take offence, for example.
i'm agnostic and don't really care about religion, but pointing to any group in society, be they segregated religiously, racially or whatever, and proclaiming them to be 'the scourge of society' is simply wrong. its not a matter of how its worded either, its the underpinning sentiment, ideology and ethics that viewpoint entails that i object to.