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After Tom Brady and company smoked the Colts and held Peyton Manning to 0 touchdowns for the first time all year, all the pundits who said Manning is the better QB, they have been proven wrong again. Tom Brady is undefeated in the postseason and against the Colts. Manning has NEVER beaten the Patriots. Not even diehard Indy fans can argue that Manning is a better big-game QB. The Patriots didn't even have Ty Law, Tyrone Poole, or Richard Seymour.

Why can't I choose McNabb? (Yeah I know he keeps losing Championship games, but maybe not this time)

Go Pats! Boston will be a sports Mecca when the Pats win again, along with the Bosox winning the series. Suck it NYC!!!

While Manning is the better QB, Brady has a better team.

Vick and the dirty birds played very well though, they could be a force to be reckoned with...

I will decend from the mountain to make a football prediction.

They will be great games this weekend. ;)

I will gladly argue for Manning being the better QB. Brady may be better in a big game, but Manning is without a doubt, the better QB. Brady has a better supporting cast which makes him look good. He can have a mediocre game and still get the win. People associate wins with the QB too often, the Pats win mainly because of their smothering defense and time eating offense which keeps the opponents defenses on the field. Is Brady a good QB? Yes. Is he a better QB than Manning? The answer to this is a resounding no.

Well, somebody here is going to be right, unless of course Big Ben gets the big prize, when we will all look pretty foolish.

I will gladly argue for Manning being the better QB. Brady may be better in a big game, but Manning is without a doubt, the better QB. Brady has a better supporting cast which makes him look good. He can have a mediocre game and still get the win. People associate wins with the QB too often, the Pats win mainly because of their smothering defense and time eating offense which keeps the opponents defenses on the field. Is Brady a good QB? Yes. Is he a better QB than Manning? The answer to this is a resounding no.

Modeled on the Ravens, perchance?

I will gladly argue for Manning being the better QB. Brady may be better in a big game, but Manning is without a doubt, the better QB. Brady has a better supporting cast which makes him look good. He can have a mediocre game and still get the win. People associate wins with the QB too often, the Pats win mainly because of their smothering defense and time eating offense which keeps the opponents defenses on the field. Is Brady a good QB? Yes. Is he a better QB than Manning? The answer to this is a resounding no.

And I thought the mark of a truly great QB was coming through in the clutch, winning big games, ie: Championships. Something Manning can't seem to do, either in College or the NFL.

I am a big pats fan, but I think Manning is a better QB. What he delivered on Sunday against the Pats though was not his best. Pats rule, and even with a mediocre QB (Brady was on it on Sunday however) we would have still crushed the Colts.

Manning has a hell of a supporting cast, but I can just imagine how well he would do if he were on the Patriots or Steelers. Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger and hardly perfect, but they sure as hell get the job done because they have lots of help. Brady has decent receivers, but I would take Corey Dillon over Edgerrin James right now. Same for the Jerome Bettis-Duce Staley committee in Pittsburgh.

Also, the Pats' and Steelers' defenses have shown to be better than the Colts' defense, and even when you sit and wonder why the Colts keep losing in the playoffs, their defense doesn't stack up to New England's or Pittsburgh's. It's good, all right, but having a "good" defense is a far cry from having a "killer" defense. Let's just put it this way: The Miami Dolphins, aka my team, had a pretty good defense. They went 4-12. They had no offense to speak of, but that's beside the point - the 2000 Ravens had no offense to speak of and won the Super Bowl. Their defense put them over the top. A team can go all the way on a killer defense with no offense. A team will sink faster than the Dolphins did this year if they have a killer offense and no defense. Just ask the Rams.

Look at it this way:

Patriots:
20 First Downs, 11 Rushing, 9 Passing
210 net yards rushing
0 Fumbles

Colts:
17 First Downs, 0 Rushing, 17 Passing
46 net yards rushing
2 Fumbles

Had Peyton Manning received any help, the Colts would have won.

Look at it this way:

Patriots:
20 First Downs, 11 Rushing, 9 Passing
210 net yards rushing
0 Fumbles

Colts:
17 First Downs, 0 Rushing, 17 Passing
46 net yards rushing
2 Fumbles

Had Peyton Manning received any help, the Colts would have won.

Looks like Manning should have called more running plays, no?

Looks like Manning should have called more running plays, no?

Manning doesn't call the plays, he only audibles at the line.

On the 14 carries Edgerrin James did get, he only had an average of 2.8 yards per carry. Dillon averaged 6.3, Faulk averaged 5.1.

Brady is excellent at clock management and keeping his team out of trouble, but Peyton Manning is a much better quarterback.

Manning doesn't call the plays, he only audibles at the line.

On the 14 carries Edgerrin James did get, he only had an average of 2.8 yards per carry. Dillon averaged 6.3, Faulk averaged 5.1.

Brady is excellent at clock management and keeping his team out of trouble, but Peyton Manning is a much better quarterback.

Who would you rather have leading your team in the playoffs?

Who would you rather have leading your team in the playoffs?

Manning.

Put Brady on the Colts and they don't even make the playoffs. Put Manning on the Patriots and they don't lose a game all year. Tom Brady is a good, smart quarterback who never loses his head, but Manning just had the best season for a quarterback in history.

Manning is the better QB. Brady is on the better-run team.
There is no excuse for the Colts coaches. You know the weather's gonna suck. You know you have to run.

Manning.

Put Brady on the Colts and they don't even make the playoffs. Put Manning on the Patriots and they don't lose a game all year. Tom Brady is a good, smart quarterback who never loses his head, but Manning just had the best season for a quarterback in history.

But what good is having the best season in history if he can't win in the playoffs? Brady may not have the numbers as Manning, but he can carry a team in the playoffs. Manning has shown a propensity for choking outdoors in the cold when it matters.

Manning is the better QB. Brady is on the better-run team.
There is no excuse for the Colts coaches. You know the weather's gonna suck. You know you have to run.

You have to put a lot of the blame on the Indianapolis defense as well. Maybe Manning might have been able to throw a few more touchdown passes if the Indy D hadn't let New England chew up 25 minutes on only three drives.

I like the analogy I saw on ESPN.com.

Peyton Manning is Alex Rodriguez: They're both considered the best at what they do, they both make heaps of money, and they both can't seem to win it all.

Tom Brady is Derek Jeter: They're both considered good (reliable but rarely spectacular), they both make heaps of money, and they "know how to win".

Peyton Manning is clearly the better quarterback. But Tom Brady is the winner.

In conclusion: football sucks, bring back hockey.

But what good is having the best season in history if he can't win in the playoffs? Brady may not have the numbers as Manning, but he can carry a team in the playoffs. Manning has shown a propensity for choking outdoors in the cold when it matters.

Manning did not have a bad game. He threw for 240 yards and completed a good percent of his passes. His receivers dropped a good number of passes, and when they did catch them they normally just fumbled the ball when they were tackled.

Peyton Manning is clearly the better quarterback. But Tom Brady is the winner.

And the question was "Who would you rather have in the playoffs?" Manning is a Hall of Famer, no question. But Brady has proven he can win when it counts, and so far, Manning has shown that he can't.

I like the analogy I saw on ESPN.com.

Peyton Manning is Alex Rodriguez: They're both considered the best at what they do, they both make heaps of money, and they both can't seem to win it all.

Tom Brady is Derek Jeter: They're both considered good (reliable but rarely spectacular), they both make heaps of money, and they "know how to win".

Peyton Manning is clearly the better quarterback. But Tom Brady is the winner.

In conclusion: football sucks, bring back hockey.

Or you could look at the fact that A-Rod played for the Mariners and the Rangers while Jeter has spent his entire career with the Yankees.

And the question was "Who would you rather have in the playoffs?" Manning is a Hall of Famer, no question. But Brady has proven he can win when it counts, and so far, Manning has shown that he can't.If you wanna get technical, there were two questions. "Who would you rather have in the playoffs" and "Anybody still think Manning is better than Brady?" My answer to the second one was yes. I'm not sure who I'd rather have in the playoffs. I guess Brady. Yeah, sure. Why not? But there have been plenty of instances of people who "couldn't win" suddenly learning how to do it, which I think makes this question more difficult than it might seem.

EDIT: In response to the analogy. The Mariners were a good team when A-Rod joined them. The Yankees were an above average team when Jeter joined them (they had lost to A-Rod's Mariners the year before). And now A-Rod is on one of the best teams money can buy, and still no win. We'll see what happens.

... Brady has a better supporting cast which makes him look good. .Manning has the best supporting cast in Fooball, close second is Culppeper.

But sisnce Indy broke the Bank to pay for his contract...he wont have it as good next year...So unless he becomes Tom Brady...he will never win a Super Bowl

Who?

After Tom Brady and company smoked the Colts and held Peyton Manning to 0 touchdowns for the first time all year, all the pundits who said Manning is the better QB, they have been proven wrong again. Tom Brady is undefeated in the postseason and against the Colts. Manning has NEVER beaten the Patriots. Not even diehard Indy fans can argue that Manning is a better big-game QB. The Patriots didn't even have Ty Law, Tyrone Poole, or Richard Seymour.

Sure, Brady has a better postseason record, but it's ridiculous to suggest that the Colts' most recent loss had anything to do with a Manning choke. I can give you a long list of reasons why the Colts lost (dome team playing in the cold and wind, strongly pass-oriented team playing in the cold and wind, Patriots' use of pre-snap motion on defense, dropped passes, etc.) but the perceived inability of Manning to win big games is not one of them. He's more talented and football-smart than any quarterback in the league (with the possible exception of Jake Plummer, who may be more physically talented but nowhere near as football-smart), and all other factors being equal (other players, coaching, and all the other things people like to discount when they claim that Brady is a better quarterback than Manning) I'd take Manning any day.

Manning has the best supporting cast in Fooball, close second is Culppeper.

That's hilarious. Culpepper's supporting cast is Randy Moss, and only on the days when he feels like playing.

Manning has the best supporting cast in Fooball, close second is Culppeper.

But sisnce Indy broke the Bank to pay for his contract...he wont have it as good next year...So unless he becomes Tom Brady...he will never win a Super Bowl
You know, supporting cast includes defense also, or in the Colts and Vikings cases, a lack of one.

Brady is excellent at clock management and keeping his team out of trouble, but Peyton Manning is a much better quarterback.

Coming form someone who has played for most of my life, and was recruited by schools on the other side of the nation(I know the game)...... That is almost as much part of being a QB as completing passes. So is giving a good fake. And any other number of things that cannot be put in to stats. This is where Brady shines. Manning is good. Brady is good. Manning throws better. Brady is better rounded. It all depends on what you need/like/want.

That's hilarious. Culpepper's supporting cast is Randy Moss, and only on the days when he feels like playing.
if Moss is traded the Vikings offense is going to suffer.
wanna bet?

You know, supporting cast includes defense also, or in the Colts and Vikings cases, a lack of one.Its not the defense that makes Manning look good.

Its the OL, the receiving team and Edgerin.