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Ok I know this sounds a bit crazy but bear with me here, I'm being serious. I ponder very random things sometimes.

For the purpose of this argument, please assume the following three statements as true:

1. God exists.
2. Jesus exists/existed and is/was a full human being. He is/was also the actual son of God.
3. Mary's conception of Jesus was immaculate and entirely supernatural; i.e. she did not have sex with anyone to get pregnant.

***Please note: This is not a thread to debate any of the above three statements. I am not trying to encourage or insist than anyone believe any or all of these statements; I am not even 100% certain of them myself. They are just necessary tenets of my debate. Please refrain, therefore, from making statements along the lines of, 'There's no God so this doesn't matter', 'Jesus existed but it wasn't a virgin birth', etc. - in any case I don't forsee the age-old debate of "Does God Exist?" being conclusively and incontrovertably proved to everyone by the members of an internet forum, no offence! I just want this to be random musings by everyone, atheists, agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, the clinically insane, etc. Thank you. :) ***

Ok so, taking those three things as a given, does God have DNA? Jesus, being human, presumably had DNA of some description. But whose did he have?

1. Being God, Jesus had/has his own unique 'divine' DNA.
2. Jesus was Mary's biological son, so he had Mary's DNA crossed with the aforesaid 'divine' DNA. (God's DNA?)
3. Jesus was only biologically related to Mary, so he had Mary's DNA exactly, with the substitution of a Y chromosome for an X chromosome to make him male.
4. Jesus had Mary's DNA crossed with Joseph's DNA even though he didn't get Joseph's DNA in the usual manner. (Since God is presumably omnipotent and directly/indirectly the creator of DNA, presumably he could manage this.)
5. Jesus was special and had special cells which did not require DNA at all (this seems unlikely.)

Now, if we go with either option 1 or option 2, is this special DNA God's? Does God the Father have, on any level, a physical form which could contain DNA? And have any Christian denominations made any official pronouncements on this? (I'm guessing not, as it's hardly a hugely important issue for society, but you never know.)

Anyway, speculate away! :)

Alternatively, you can do the sensible thing and say, "This is pointless, get a job ya dingus!"

:rolleyes:
If
1. God exists.
2. Jesus exists/existed and is/was a full human being. He is/was also the actual son of God.
3. Mary's conception of Jesus was immaculate and entirely supernatural; i.e. she did not have sex with anyone to get pregnant.

then what do you need DNA for?

BTW This is pointless, get a job ya dingus!

Ok I know this sounds a bit crazy but bear with me here, I'm being serious. I ponder very random things sometimes.

For the purpose of this argument, please assume the following three statements as true:

1. God exists.
2. Jesus exists/existed and is/was a full human being. He is/was also the actual son of God.
3. Mary's conception of Jesus was immaculate and entirely supernatural; i.e. she did not have sex with anyone to get pregnant.

***Please note: This is not a thread to debate any of the above three statements. I am not trying to encourage or insist than anyone believe any or all of these statements; I am not even 100% certain of them myself. They are just necessary tenets of my debate. Please refrain, therefore, from making statements along the lines of, 'There's no God so this doesn't matter', 'Jesus existed but it wasn't a virgin birth', etc. - in any case I don't forsee the age-old debate of "Does God Exist?" being conclusively and incontrovertably proved to everyone by the members of an internet forum, no offence! I just want this to be random musings by everyone, atheists, agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, the clinically insane, etc. Thank you. :) ***

Ok so, taking those three things as a given, does God have DNA? Jesus, being human, presumably had DNA of some description. But whose did he have?

1. Being God, Jesus had/has his own unique 'divine' DNA.
2. Jesus was Mary's biological son, so he had Mary's DNA crossed with the aforesaid 'divine' DNA. (God's DNA?)
3. Jesus was only biologically related to Mary, so he had Mary's DNA exactly, with the substitution of a Y chromosome for an X chromosome to make him male.
4. Jesus had Mary's DNA crossed with Joseph's DNA even though he didn't get Joseph's DNA in the usual manner. (Since God is presumably omnipotent and directly/indirectly the creator of DNA, presumably he could manage this.)
5. Jesus was special and had special cells which did not require DNA at all (this seems unlikely.)

Now, if we go with either option 1 or option 2, is this special DNA God's? Does God the Father have, on any level, a physical form which could contain DNA? And have any Christian denominations made any official pronouncements on this? (I'm guessing not, as it's hardly a hugely important issue for society, but you never know.)

Anyway, speculate away! :)

Alternatively, you can do the sensible thing and say, "This is pointless, get a job ya dingus!"
Well, I'd say, yes, God does have DNA, as the Catholic Church(and I'm Catholic) says that Jesus is God, and since Jesus was not only divine but human too, he has DNA, and therefore that means, God has DNA.

Religion and science are a bit like oil and water. You can put them in the same container, but they'll never properly mix.

Assuming God is Jesus, Jesus has DNA, then can we clone him from the Shroud of Turin (sp??) ?

Jewish Answer

G-d can be, have whatever it wants. G-d can have the DNA of a kangaroo while looking like a rhino and talking in french if he wants to. :)

G-d can Fly and swim at the same time. :D

And is the only know being to be able to Drink and Drive and Smoke and Fly. :P

:rolleyes:
If
1. God exists.
2. Jesus exists/existed and is/was a full human being. He is/was also the actual son of God.
3. Mary's conception of Jesus was immaculate and entirely supernatural; i.e. she did not have sex with anyone to get pregnant.

then what do you need DNA for?

BTW This is pointless, get a job ya dingus!

God existing doesn't automatically negate the possibility of DNA, does it? :confused: If Jesus was a human being, he must have had DNA of some description. But DNA is inherited, and if he wasn't conceived in the normal way...then where did his DNA come from?

It's just random, I don't mean it to be taken super-seriously!

Jewish Answer

G-d can be, have whatever it wants. G-d can have the DNA of a kangaroo while looking like a rhino and talking in french if he wants to. :)

G-d can Fly and swim at the same time. :D

And is the only know being to be able to Drink and Drive and Smoke and Fly. :P

Hehe I like that, actually! :)

god is spiritual, no dna.

Hehe I like that, actually! :)


Well it is technially the right answer..an omnipotent being, should have the ability to do absolutely everything.

God existing doesn't automatically negate the possibility of DNA, does it? :confused: If Jesus was a human being, he must have had DNA of some description. But DNA is inherited, and if he wasn't conceived in the normal way...then where did his DNA come from?
It's just random, I don't mean it to be taken super-seriously!But God's existence (in the way the Bible informs us) automatically negates the necessity of "divine" DNA. And we are not talking about Jesus but Yahweh.

Ok I know this sounds a bit crazy but bear with me here, I'm being serious. I ponder very random things sometimes.

For the purpose of this argument, please assume the following three statements as true:

1. God exists.
2. Jesus exists/existed and is/was a full human being. He is/was also the actual son of God.
3. Mary's conception of Jesus was immaculate and entirely supernatural; i.e. she did not have sex with anyone to get pregnant.

***Please note: This is not a thread to debate any of the above three statements. I am not trying to encourage or insist than anyone believe any or all of these statements; I am not even 100% certain of them myself. They are just necessary tenets of my debate. Please refrain, therefore, from making statements along the lines of, 'There's no God so this doesn't matter', 'Jesus existed but it wasn't a virgin birth', etc. - in any case I don't forsee the age-old debate of "Does God Exist?" being conclusively and incontrovertably proved to everyone by the members of an internet forum, no offence! I just want this to be random musings by everyone, atheists, agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, the clinically insane, etc. Thank you. :) ***

Ok so, taking those three things as a given, does God have DNA? Jesus, being human, presumably had DNA of some description. But whose did he have?

1. Being God, Jesus had/has his own unique 'divine' DNA.
2. Jesus was Mary's biological son, so he had Mary's DNA crossed with the aforesaid 'divine' DNA. (God's DNA?)
3. Jesus was only biologically related to Mary, so he had Mary's DNA exactly, with the substitution of a Y chromosome for an X chromosome to make him male.
4. Jesus had Mary's DNA crossed with Joseph's DNA even though he didn't get Joseph's DNA in the usual manner. (Since God is presumably omnipotent and directly/indirectly the creator of DNA, presumably he could manage this.)
5. Jesus was special and had special cells which did not require DNA at all (this seems unlikely.)

Now, if we go with either option 1 or option 2, is this special DNA God's? Does God the Father have, on any level, a physical form which could contain DNA? And have any Christian denominations made any official pronouncements on this? (I'm guessing not, as it's hardly a hugely important issue for society, but you never know.)

Anyway, speculate away! :)

Alternatively, you can do the sensible thing and say, "This is pointless, get a job ya dingus!"

Somebody else posted that God is light. Therefore I would conclude that if what you say and he says is true, half of Jesus's DNA is made of light. Or maybe he has Joseph's DNA too, but it didn't come in the natural way... Since E = MC^2, god transformed light into Joseph's DNA.

Also, some would discuss the "Aryanness" of Jesus, even if he was a Jew like everyone around him. You white power racists pieces of shit can have an argument now: Probably a breed between God and a Semite/Jew is an Aryan. So maybe Aryan's are in the middle of becoming god.... Or something like, the 'missing link' between jews and god.

god isn't corporeal, is she? so she couldn't have dna, well i guess if she's all powerful she could have whatever she damn well pleased, so, i would go for option err...well...ummm...get a job you dingus!

*shuffles off to muse on religious tautologies and make herself a nice cup of tea

god isn't corporeal, is she? so she couldn't have dna, well i guess if she's all powerful she could have whatever she damn well pleased, so, i would go for option err...well...ummm...get a job you dingus!

*shuffles off to muse on religious tautologies and make herself a nice cup of tea

If god exists, he/she/it doesn't have a gender.

But if he did, he wouldn't be a woman, nor a 'minority'... Get real.

Somebody else posted that God is light. Therefore I would conclude that if what you say and he says is true, half of Jesus's DNA is made of light. Or maybe he has Joseph's DNA too, but it didn't come in the natural way... Since E = MC^2, god transformed light into Joseph's DNA.
Also, some would discuss the "Aryanness" of Jesus, even if he was a Jew like everyone around him. You white power racists pieces of shit can have an argument now: Probably a breed between God and a Semite/Jew is an Aryan. So maybe Aryan's are in the middle of becoming god.... Or something like, the 'missing link' between jews and god.what?

Why don't we scrape the stuff off of Jesus' sandels and find out?

Heh, Jesus clones everywhere...


EDIT: WTF, reincarnation anyone?

what?
Nothing. It would be useless to chew and spit the conclusions for you.

I think you've omitted a possibility from your list. Let's assume that God wanted the body of Jesus to be like that of other humans (though he could clearly create a fully-functioning Jesus without DNA, if he felt like it).

If I were God, I would give Jesus 'half' (or however it works) of Mary's DNA and create the other half according to whatever ultimate Jesus template I had in mind - reverse engineering, if you like. This created half would be chemically the same as standard human DNA, it just wouldn't have been passed down in the usual fashion.

Jewish Answer

G-d can be, have whatever it wants. G-d can have the DNA of a kangaroo while looking like a rhino and talking in french if he wants to. :)

G-d can Fly and swim at the same time. :D

And is the only know being to be able to Drink and Drive and Smoke and Fly. :P

Absolutely. Any DNA Jesus had is not necessarily 'of God'. Rather, God created the most appropriate DNA to Christ's purpose. God does not have DNA as such.

Assuming God is Jesus, Jesus has DNA, then can we clone him from the Shroud of Turin (sp??) ?
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"Also, some would discuss the "Aryanness" of Jesus, even if he was a Jew like everyone around him. You white power racists pieces of shit can have an argument now: Probably a breed between God and a Semite/Jew is an Aryan. So maybe Aryan's are in the middle of becoming god.... Or something like, the 'missing link' between jews and god."


Are you for or against the last half of that statement?


And jesus wouldn't have been blonde and blue eyed.

It would make sense, and you'd think that even God would have certain basic rules of the universe he'd have to follow. But he IS God, so I dunno

First off I'd say, yes, going with the Shoud of Turin idea. And because this bothers me that everyone gets this wrong: The Imaculate Conception of Mary, is not her becoming pregnant with Jesus, it is Mary being born without origional sin. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Religion and science are a bit like oil and water. You can put them in the same container, but they'll never properly mix.

Actually, religion and science work together quite well, provided you're willing to leave your preconceptions at the door and approach the topic at hand with an open mind. I think you'll find few on either side of the debate willing to do that. Despite with the less informed would like to believe, there are a great many religious scientists.

First off I'd say, yes, going with the Shoud of Turin idea. And because this bothers me that everyone gets this wrong: The Imaculate Conception of Mary, is not her becoming pregnant with Jesus, it is Mary being born without origional sin. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Where do you find Origional Sin in the Bible--new or old?

If god exists, he/she/it doesn't have a gender.

But if he did, he wouldn't be a woman, nor a 'minority'... Get real.


a) of course "god" doesn't have a gender but this is all in fun...and if i choose to call god a woman i dont think anyone would deny me the right, well they could go ahead and try i guess, so...whatever

b) women are actually a majority

If I'm not mistaken Genisis 2:17 and Genisis 3:3 and somthing else in like mabye Genisis 3:17 mabye 3:18 or 19.

If god exists, he/she/it doesn't have a gender.

But if he did, he wouldn't be a woman, nor a 'minority'... Get real.


a) of course "god" doesn't have a gender but this is all in fun...and if i choose to call god a woman i dont think anyone would deny me the right, well they could go ahead and try i guess, so...whatever

b) women are actually a majority


About what you said about him being a minority, chances are, if he/she/it had to be any race, he/she/it would probably be arabic, because if God is Jesus, then because Jesus was born in this area of the world, to people from this area of the world, then Jesus would be arabic, and so to would God.

Sorry for the double post.

You know, that gives me an idea to solve all religious disputes. Clone Jesus, Mohammed, and Abraham, and put them in a room.

And they would generally say the same thing.

You know, that gives me an idea to solve all religious disputes. Clone Jesus, Mohammed, and Abraham, and put them in a room.
What'll you do after they all come out and say that they talked it over and have all converted to Buddhism?

Somebody else posted that God is light. Therefore I would conclude that if what you say and he says is true, half of Jesus's DNA is made of light. Or maybe he has Joseph's DNA too, but it didn't come in the natural way... Since E = MC^2, god transformed light into Joseph's DNA.

Also, some would discuss the "Aryanness" of Jesus, even if he was a Jew like everyone around him. You white power racists pieces of shit can have an argument now: Probably a breed between God and a Semite/Jew is an Aryan. So maybe Aryan's are in the middle of becoming god.... Or something like, the 'missing link' between jews and god.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA that is hilarious. "missing link" you should be a commedian

If god exists, he/she/it doesn't have a gender.

But if he did, he wouldn't be a woman, nor a 'minority'... Get real.

So he'd be what? A white man, rather than a minority like a Arab/Jew?

Personally I can't answer this question except to say he can have DNA if he wanted, but I doubt he has.

Or one could argue that God is merely energy, and energy lacks any and all DNA.

What'll you do after they all come out and say that they talked it over and have all converted to Buddhism?
Considering they're all vehement Monotheists, it's unlikely. Mohammed was too much of a warrior to like Buddhists anyway.

What'll you do after they all come out and say that they talked it over and have all converted to Buddhism?:D





Funny that nobody has postulated that maybe god is DNA.....