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Hey, I was wondering if anybody was read up or heard of anything concerning any theories that "God is Light".

If this sounds absolutely ludicrious from the first sentence, then you can stop reading, if not, keep an open mind and just think about it even if you don't believe in God. It's just a thought, and I would like your comments on it.

This doesn't prove nor disprove God.

I was talking to a friend, Agnostic.. Anyway...

His theory was, that God is probably a being, that lived in the realm moving at the speed of light.

Initial thoughts always was, that God is absolute energy, unlimited energy, hence he could have created everything.. Because E=MC². So initial thoughts is that He is absolute energy and could have created Mass or whatever it is that exists today.

And when we accelerate a electron in a particle accelerator till near the speed of light, it's mass gets *Heavier and Heavier eventually not able to propel it faster anymore. Acheiving speed of light currently is impossible.

Edit: (Thanks for pointing out the mistake)
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But what if, that God probably is a being living in another realm moving at the speed of light. And since Light according to relativity, once we reached the speed of light, time becomes infinite. Hence God is Omniscient. (?)

And usually in biblical times, or ancient texts, usually when there's a miracle happening, the person is imbued with white clothings, brighter than the sun. The jews used to call it "Shekainah Glory". Plus the bible mentions about 'Twinkling of the eye', Or 'Atomos'.

And when people die, they talk about seeing "Light at the end of the tunnel". We travel into another realm that is light? Plus the "Life Flashing past my eyes".

Post your thoughts.. Incredibly ludicrious? Stupid? Don't know jack about Physics? Post your thoughts.

It is an interesting theory. The question is, can light have intelligence. Most scienctist would propbably disagree but I think we know too little about light and particles as it is.

Maybe an intelligent shade of blue?

And when we accelerate a electron in a particle accelerator till near the speed of light, it's mass gets bigger and bigger eventually not able to propel it faster anymore. Acheiving speed of light currently is impossible.

Sorry... it could be me but:
Doesn't mass decrease when you speed up something?

Sorry... it could be me but:
Doesn't mass decrease when you speed up something?

Uh, If I remember correctly, As it accelerates, it becomes Bigger, hence it's harder to push it faster...

Read somewhere that they tried projecting a proton/electron.. One of those, in a particle accelerator tube.. But eventually took up too much power as they were something like 99.9999999999% near the speed of light.

Uh, If I remember correctly, As it accelerates, it becomes Bigger, hence it's harder to push it faster...

Read somewhere that they tried projecting a proton/electron.. One of those, in a particle accelerator tube.. But eventually took up too much power as they were something like 99.9999999999% near the speed of light.

It doesn't become bigger, just heavier. Mass increases as you approach the speed of light and accelerate - at the speed of light you would have infinite energy and infinite mass iirc.

My guess is they'll find out all kinds of kinky things with that Large Hadron Collider they'll finish in 2007. Time Travel a la John Titor perhaps?

God is not just light, he's atoms too, and the vibrations and so many other things!:)

Uh, If I remember correctly, As it accelerates, it becomes Bigger, hence it's harder to push it faster...

Read somewhere that they tried projecting a proton/electron.. One of those, in a particle accelerator tube.. But eventually took up too much power as they were something like 99.9999999999% near the speed of light.
Yes, but photons have an extremely little mass. Blue light particles ar higher powered, so lighter and that's why blue light breaks differently from red light (which is heavier).

Am I making any sense?

It doesn't become bigger, just heavier. Mass increases as you approach the speed of light and accelerate - at the speed of light you would have infinite energy and infinite mass iirc.

Oh right.. You got me there. *Changes Initial post*.

I'm no Physics expert. Though I got a A' for my Physics in High school. :p been quite a number of years. :)

It doesn't become bigger, just heavier. Mass increases as you approach the speed of light and accelerate - at the speed of light you would have infinite energy and infinite mass iirc.
I still think this is flawed. Photons have extremely little mass. They would be practically nonexistant if slowed down

I still think this is flawed. Photons have extremely little mass. They would be practically nonexistant if slowed down

Not according to theoretical physics calculations I think.. Sigh.. This is bad... I think I need some links.. *Brb*.

If god is light then it explains why we don't see too much of him in Scotland - I've forgot what the sun looks like.

if you work through it logically
E=mc2
as something speeds up kinetic energy increases, c is a constant so to make it work m has to increase
(in case u didnt know E=energy, m=mass and c=speed of light)

if you work through it logically
E=mc2
as something speeds up kinetic energy increases, c is a constant so to make it work m has to increase
(in case u didnt know E=energy, m=mass and c=speed of light)
Jesus Christ. I totally forgot this one. Damn.

Man... Feck.... And photon mass is slow. Yes. The REST MASS. Damn.

Sorry.

But how can something have infinite mass? Wouldn't that destroy every theory about gravitation ever?

Jesus Christ. I totally forgot this one. Damn.

Man... Feck.... And photon mass is slow. Yes. The REST MASS. Damn.

Sorry.

But how can something have infinite mass? Wouldn't that destroy every theory about gravitation ever?

I didnt think of that, as it increases it will get bigger which should increase its gravitational force.
arent they building a thing in europe to accerate an electron or something?
if they create a black hole in europe that destroys earth im gonna b seriously pissed off with someone :mad:

I didnt think of that, as it increases it will get bigger which should increase its gravitational force.
arent they building a thing in europe to accerate and electron of something?
if they create a black hole in europe that destroys earth im gonna b seriously pissed off with someone :mad:
A particle accellerator? They have them about everywhere where smart people are.

Jesus Christ. I totally forgot this one. Damn.

Man... Feck.... And photon mass is slow. Yes. The REST MASS. Damn.

Sorry.

But how can something have infinite mass? Wouldn't that destroy every theory about gravitation ever?

From what little I know I think that since it's impossible for something to accelerate up to the speed of light, the problem of infinite mass becomes irrelavent.

God is not just light, he's atoms too, and the vibrations and so many other things!:)

Does that mean people who use vibrators are... :eek:

Um, actually, never mind. I don't think I really want an answer to that.

but isnt that particle accerlerator gonna b like the ferrari of them or something, like accelerate it real fast instead of most doin it moderatly fast?

From what little I know I think that since it's impossible for something to accelerate up to the speed of light, the problem of infinite mass becomes irrelavent.
What about...

*dum dum dum*

...Light particles?

What about...

*dum dum dum*

...Light particles?

I thought light wasn't classified as a particle, being as it acts similar to a wave in some circumstances?

Dear lord, my physics is so rusty. I'll just slink off and research on my own now.

I thought light wasn't classified as a particle, being as it acts similar to a wave in some circumstances?

Dear lord, my physics is so rusty. I'll just slink off and research on my own now.
In some circumstances... yes.

But in others is acts as being a particle. Like it being subject to gravitation

i remember something in physic or chemistry about how electron and stuff r both particles and waves because when something goes real fast it turns into energy rather than a solid
damn it, beer made me unlearn stuff

in quantum physics do particles not act as waves somtimes inside an atom?

or have i got that completely wrong?

Hey, I was wondering if anybody was read up or heard of anything concerning any theories that "God is Light".

If this sounds absolutely ludicrious from the first sentence, then you can stop reading, if not, keep an open mind and just think about it even if you don't believe in God. It's just a thought, and I would like your comments on it.

This doesn't prove nor disprove God.

I was talking to a friend, Agnostic.. Anyway...

His theory was, that God is probably a being, that lived in the realm moving at the speed of light.

Initial thoughts always was, that God is absolute energy, unlimited energy, hence he could have created everything.. Because E=MC². So initial thoughts is that He is absolute energy and could have created Mass or whatever it is that exists today.

And when we accelerate a electron in a particle accelerator till near the speed of light, it's mass gets *Heavier and Heavier eventually not able to propel it faster anymore. Acheiving speed of light currently is impossible.

Edit: (Thanks for pointing out the mistake)
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But what if, that God probably is a being living in another realm moving at the speed of light. And since Light according to relativity, once we reached the speed of light, time becomes infinite. Hence God is Omniscient. (?)

And usually in biblical times, or ancient texts, usually when there's a miracle happening, the person is imbued with white clothings, brighter than the sun. The jews used to call it "Shekainah Glory". Plus the bible mentions about 'Twinkling of the eye', Or 'Atomos'.

And when people die, they talk about seeing "Light at the end of the tunnel". We travel into another realm that is light? Plus the "Life Flashing past my eyes".

Post your thoughts.. Incredibly ludicrious? Stupid? Don't know jack about Physics? Post your thoughts.


A sort of intellectual basis for worshipping the Sun (Kinda)

i remember something in physic or chemistry about how electron and stuff r both particles and waves because when something goes real fast it turns into energy rather than a solid
damn it, beer made me unlearn stuff
Imagine how smart the world would be without beer.... :eek:

Well, you have to remember that the idea is that E=mc^2. This is the mass-energy conversion ratio. Plot this as a graph, with mass as one axis and velocity as the other. What you get is a perfect exponential curve, with the line at the speed of light as an asymptote. This was Einstein's theory. We've been doing supercollider tests since then, and all evidence currently supports the theory that mass increases exponentially with velocity. Since there's an asymptote at the speed of light, it is theoretically impossible to move AT the speed of light. It is NOT theoretically impossible to move faster than light, however. The problem is, there is no currently known way to skip a velocity while accelerating; you accelerate on a curve, it's not a stepwise function. Hence, it follows that it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, since we can't accelerate through the speed of light.

And also, it's worth knowing that science currently isn't really sure exactly what gravity is. The equations used to describe it change drastically with the scale of the objects. Gravity is actually one of the big things that separates Quantum Mechanics, Classical Dynamics, and Relativity, the other primarily being a correlary of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

Imagine how smart the world would be without beer.... :eek:

Thank God (or my lightbulb) for Beer!!! I feel dumb enough as it is!!!

a teacher told me once that the reason u cant go faster than light is because the tools we use for measuring speed (lazers etc) travel at light speed therefore u cant get a speed reading if ur going faster
this may be b/s tho

BTW: C (the speed of light) isn't an actual constant. It is decreasing :eek:

Mass as far as gravity is concerned can't be used in the same way as mass according to the laws of motion. It's not really the case of a photon having infinite mass it more of a case of it having infinite apparent mass when it's moving at light speed as far as Newtons second law is concerned.

When discussing how these things work it's important to remember that all these theory's are just models that we impose on reality in order to understand it and make limited predictions on it's behaviour. You can run into trouble when comparing two different models like gravitation and movement at high speed because the common terms might mean slightly different things.

Back on the original topic it is easily possible to hold a lot of information in a beam of light if you think about it's wake properties. We already do this with radio and TV transmittions. It isn't to much of a stretch of the imagination to suppose that this information could get so complex that could generate a from of intelligence, but whether this is actually possible and whether it could have any effect on the physical world as we see it in another matter entirely.

Also, theoretically you can go faster then light but you have to start out going at that speed and you can't drop down below it.

From what little I know I think that since it's impossible for something to accelerate up to the speed of light, the problem of infinite mass becomes irrelavent.

its not impossible just the speed of light is the fastest known speed.

BTW: C (the speed of light) isn't an actual constant. It is decreasing :eek:

Maybe I'm just uber-tired but wouldn't that mean that eventually light becomes matter?

Maybe I'm just uber-tired but wouldn't that mean that eventually light becomes matter?
Good girl
*pets Shaed*

Back to the question of God being light, the answer is that God is the all-powerful, all-knowing being who permeates all of space, matter and dimensions, and the very time, which He created; hence, He is eternal. And there is more... Nevertheless, the simplistic notion that God is a singular form of energy is incorrect, according to the Bible. Why do I know this? Because the Bible tells me so. Who wrote the Bible? A bunch of humans inspired by God. How do I know that He moved them to record His truth? I have faith. Keep the faith.

Mass as far as gravity is concerned can't be used in the same way as mass according to the laws of motion. It's not really the case of a photon having infinite mass it more of a case of it having infinite apparent mass when it's moving at light speed as far as Newtons second law is concerned.

When discussing how these things work it's important to remember that all these theory's are just models that we impose on reality in order to understand it and make limited predictions on it's behaviour. You can run into trouble when comparing two different models like gravitation and movement at high speed because the common terms might mean slightly different things.

Back on the original topic it is easily possible to hold a lot of information in a beam of light if you think about it's wake properties. We already do this with radio and TV transmittions. It isn't to much of a stretch of the imagination to suppose that this information could get so complex that could generate a from of intelligence, but whether this is actually possible and whether it could have any effect on the physical world as we see it in another matter entirely.

damn man, sounds like u need this
*throws plumber a beer*

Good girl
*pets Shaed*

Yay! So this is why I used to enjoy physics. Happy cookies for LP! *gives LP happy smiley-face cookies*

Stupid maths-hatred getting in the way of me doing physics in VCE.

Yay! So this is why I used to enjoy physics. Happy cookies for LP! *gives LP happy smiley-face cookies*

Stupid maths-hatred getting in the way of me doing physics in VCE.
There was a pirate in your class? :eek:

PS Yay for maths!

Hey, I was wondering if anybody was read up or heard of anything concerning any theories that "God is Light".

If this sounds absolutely ludicrious from the first sentence, then you can stop reading, if not, keep an open mind and just think about it even if you don't believe in God. It's just a thought, and I would like your comments on it.

This doesn't prove nor disprove God.

I was talking to a friend, Agnostic.. Anyway...

His theory was, that God is probably a being, that lived in the realm moving at the speed of light.

Initial thoughts always was, that God is absolute energy, unlimited energy, hence he could have created everything.. Because E=MC². So initial thoughts is that He is absolute energy and could have created Mass or whatever it is that exists today.

And when we accelerate a electron in a particle accelerator till near the speed of light, it's mass gets *Heavier and Heavier eventually not able to propel it faster anymore. Acheiving speed of light currently is impossible.

Edit: (Thanks for pointing out the mistake)
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But what if, that God probably is a being living in another realm moving at the speed of light. And since Light according to relativity, once we reached the speed of light, time becomes infinite. Hence God is Omniscient. (?)

And usually in biblical times, or ancient texts, usually when there's a miracle happening, the person is imbued with white clothings, brighter than the sun. The jews used to call it "Shekainah Glory". Plus the bible mentions about 'Twinkling of the eye', Or 'Atomos'.

And when people die, they talk about seeing "Light at the end of the tunnel". We travel into another realm that is light? Plus the "Life Flashing past my eyes".

Post your thoughts.. Incredibly ludicrious? Stupid? Don't know jack about Physics? Post your thoughts.

I thought this the other day... (Yes, even with the E=MC^2) and sometime I used to be glad when people thought similar ideas to mine...

Myself, I'm a flexible atheist, so I'll be willing to so far as to say "it's not impossible". I really WANT to believe, but this does not make an agnostic, as I am certain there is no such thing as divine beings. Shame really, I've always wanted someone to blame for everything. ;)

Not a half bad theory though. Have you been watching Brian Greene's "The Elegant Universe"? Three hours of mind-blowing physics on both a quantum and cosmic level. You can find it on NOVA.

There was a pirate in your class? :eek:

PS Yay for maths!

No, no pirates. But I would get petted for being slow but correct.

Ok, so I lie. But I got to feel smart for knowing random stuff, which is always nice.

And no yay for maths. Maths gets sent to stand in a corner until it learns to keep its antidifferentiation to itself.

Sorry... it could be me but:
Doesn't mass decrease when you speed up something?
Other way around.

Not a half bad theory though. Have you been watching Brian Greene's "The Elegant Universe"? Three hours of mind-blowing physics on both a quantum and cosmic level. You can find it on NOVA.

Uh no. Actually I was discussing this with my friend (Who thinks too much, thats why he has problems getting a girlfriend :p) the other day. Got lots of good thoughts going.

[QUOTE]Hey, I was wondering if anybody was read up or heard of anything concerning any theories that "God is Light".

If this sounds absolutely ludicrious from the first sentence, then you can stop reading, if not, keep an open mind and just think about it even if you don't believe in God. It's just a thought, and I would like your comments on it.

I think the metaphor of God/light is very obvious and helps one understand something that is difficult to understand with use of metaphor, analogy etc. If the sun gives light thereby giving live to the earth to use the sun and its light in comparsion to the life giving Creator seems to be a perfect or nearly perfect analogy.

"Therefore, men have always been taught and led by the Prophets of God. The Prophets of God are the Mediators of God. All the Prophets and Messengers have come from One Holy Spirit and bear the Message of God, fitted to the age in which they appear. The One Light is in them and they are One with each other. But the Eternal does not become phenomenal; neither can the phenomenal become Eternal."

(Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 24)

Is anyone here aware of the RICH project? I live about 10 miles from it, its a particle accelerator. Its awesome my neighbor works on it.

Sorry... it could be me but:
Doesn't mass decrease when you speed up something?
if it increased then light would be Uberdense wouldnt it thus attracting all matter to it and putting gravity out of perspective. this would explain why mass is near to light (and moths.) in the form of stars but this would mean a black hole couldn't exist as no light is there yet it has an immense gravitational pull.
hey i got a theory going :D

It is an interesting theory. The question is, can light have intelligence.

Can a bipedal bundle of energy have intelligence?

Why do people keep talking about photons having mass? It was my understanding that they were mass-less...have I missed something?

Why do people keep talking about photons having mass? It was my understanding that they were mass-less...have I missed something?
You're correct, they are. However, photons have an effective mass, which is deduced from the fact that photons have momentum (they can exert pressure, hence solar sails). That's about the limit of my understanding.

One question springs to mind is: if God is light, is it all the light in the universe? What happens when one of the God-photons hits an electron and excites it? Does God die?

Even if God was light, and although its point of view is one of being everywhere in the universe that it will ever travel (in anyone else's frame of reference) at once, it won't necessarily travel everywhere, and so could be constrained.

Why do people keep talking about photons having mass? It was my understanding that they were mass-less...have I missed something?
True, as Snorklenork points out above me. I'd also like to make the point that photons are one of the few things to undergo completely elastic collisions i.e. all the momentum is contained within the collision. Another reason for the possibility of a light god. Although how the intelligence would work I have no idea. The only problem with God-as-light is that you can 'capture' light to a certain extent i.e. using certain materials you can slow light down to 30mph. This doesn't seem too good for a Godly being, but that's just to me. There may be some benefits. Let me just grab some hallucinogens....