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Liberals and Conservatives can't even agree on the others standpoint.

So I'm gonna explain it in terms both can understand.

Both Ideologies can be summed up with the statement,

"I just want the best for us."

I don't think either side will disagree with that. Nobody honestly wants less.

So how come they can't agree on anything?

One word.





"Us"

Both sides define it differently.

A Conservative will turn to his fellows as he gazes upon the world and say to them, "I just want the best for us."

A liberal will turn to his fellows and gesture to include the world and say "I just want the best for us."


Only one side recognizes a "them".

So, which side recognises a "them"?

And which "them" are you referring to?

A Conservative will turn to his fellows as he gazes upon the world and say to them, "I just want the best for us."

A liberal will turn to his fellows and gesture to include the world and say "I just want the best for us."



So a conservative wants what's best for his friends and a liberal wants what's best for the world?

I can live with that.

Some liberals want the government to stay out of foreign affairs. Some want to help the world. It is the same with conservatives, they just have different ways of doing it.

The Masses are there to hold the few of us worth holding High on their shoulders ... MWUAHHAHAHAHAHH MWUAHAHAHHAHAHAWH MWUAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!

Seriously though ... Communism (where the liberals want to head towards) is the perfect system, in a perfect world it works flawlessly ... one problem .. people are not perfect, which is why not a single communist nation has ever gotten past the 1st stage of communism.
Capitalism ... is not a perfect system ... however in an imperfect world it works pretty damm well all things considered ...
My point ... Liberals have good view points .. although not all of them are practical ... Conservatives have practical view points although not all of them good. Sooooo ... what we really need is the Conservatives to run the Liberals View points and all will be as good as it can be ..
Remember we're not going for perfection .. merely as good as it can be for the most people possible.

I thought Liberal and Conservative were just labels that manipulative evil bastards used to get voted into power.

Yep.
I really dont get conservatives at all. I suppose the only explanation of their values is pure ignorance.
I mean, seriously, Earth contains the only example of life in all the known universe. Life could very well be a perfectly freak occurrence that will never happen again anywhere else. So why are we killing it off? People just don't understand just how beautiful Earth is compared to everywhere else in the universe, there's no place like it.
Many people believe that their religion allows the rape and exploitation of everything on this earth. I don't understand that... Even if everything was created by a god or whatever your religion states, wouldn't that god want humans (or any other animal) to keep it nice?
There isn't going to be anything left if the people in power have this conservative train of thought... The imminent threat of total global destruction because of us fucking up the environment is pushed away as an issue to worry about when there's nothing else to worry about. The U.S. invents paranoid, delusional stories about people of non-anglo origin wanting to destroy the world so they can divert attention away from these important issues, when it's really the U.S. that is destroying the world through fear, hate and environmental destruction. Not to say some people from other countries aren't hate mongers either, of course.
But it all comes down to: what is left when there is no Earth? Don't delude yourself with the thought of moving to a new planet. Even if we found a planet where the gravity was equal to that on Earth, it would be impossible to find a planet with a chemistry that was identical to Earth... subsequently we would have to live in a bubble. Not much fun. Anyway, where would the money come from? The U.S. is already, what? 3 trillion U.S. dollars in debt? So it seems like screwing the environment, the American public and the rest of the world's humans doesn't even carry a monetary benefit.

Maybe if everybody stopped generalizing and assuming they know other people's viewpoints we would actually agree on a lot more shit.

I thought Liberal and Conservative were just labels that manipulative evil bastards used to get voted into power.

oh yeah.

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Vittos Ordination
Maybe if everybody stopped generalizing and assuming they know other people's viewpoints we would actually agree on a lot more shit.


I have to agree with the above. I consider myself to be an independant (sorry to early in the morning to spell) and one thing i dont get is that liberals love to bash conservatives, and vice versa no matter what the topic is.

I think moderates have it right- whether they're conservitive or libral. It's the ones who are extreme leftists, or rightists that I have issues with- of both.

Personally I'm a libretarian ;)

Don't you think the term that the two can't agree upon is the "best" and not the "us"? "Us" refers to society in general. Everyone, even if they don't think so, should get the "best". But what is "best" for us?

"I just want the best for us."
Wrong, "liberals" and "conservatives" (those two terms are misnomers IMO) say the following:

"Which sort of freedoms do you want us to restrict? Social ("conservatvies")? Or economic ("liberals")?"

Libertarians want both types of freedom - social and economic
Personally I'm a libretarian ;)
Yep, same here

I think moderates have it right- whether they're conservitive or libral. It's the ones who are extreme leftists, or rightists that I have issues with- of both.

Personally I'm a libretarian ;)

Couldn't agree with you more if I tried and built a great big temple of agreement. Centre left (or even centre right) with a (mainly) 3 party democracy does the business every time. It's the reason most of us have the means to discuss this in the first place!!

Makes it kinda hard to explain why The Peoples Republic of Ballycrap actually ended up as a dictatorship, though....

Wrong, "liberals" and "conservatives" (those two terms are misnomers IMO) say the following:

"Which sort of freedoms do you want us to restrict? Social ("conservatvies")? Or economic ("liberals")?"

Libertarians want both types of freedom - social and economic

Yep, same here

Liberal or conservative, the more power government has, the less power people have over themselves. Both forms of government need to step back and let us run our own lives. I'm really pleased to see Libertarians besides myself here on NS.

Liberal or conservative, the more power government has, the less power people have over themselves. Both forms of government need to step back and let us run our own lives. I'm really pleased to see Libertarians besides myself here on NS.

Individuals need to start taking responsibility for their own lives and stop being so dependent on the church or state to tell them how to live

Yep.
I really dont get conservatives at all. I suppose the only explanation of their values is pure ignorance.
I mean, seriously, Earth contains the only example of life in all the known universe. Life could very well be a perfectly freak occurrence that will never happen again anywhere else. So why are we killing it off? People just don't understand just how beautiful Earth is compared to everywhere else in the universe, there's no place like it.
Many people believe that their religion allows the rape and exploitation of everything on this earth. I don't understand that... Even if everything was created by a god or whatever your religion states, wouldn't that god want humans (or any other animal) to keep it nice?
There isn't going to be anything left if the people in power have this conservative train of thought... The imminent threat of total global destruction because of us fucking up the environment is pushed away as an issue to worry about when there's nothing else to worry about. The U.S. invents paranoid, delusional stories about people of non-anglo origin wanting to destroy the world so they can divert attention away from these important issues, when it's really the U.S. that is destroying the world through fear, hate and environmental destruction. Not to say some people from other countries aren't hate mongers either, of course.
But it all comes down to: what is left when there is no Earth? Don't delude yourself with the thought of moving to a new planet. Even if we found a planet where the gravity was equal to that on Earth, it would be impossible to find a planet with a chemistry that was identical to Earth... subsequently we would have to live in a bubble. Not much fun. Anyway, where would the money come from? The U.S. is already, what? 3 trillion U.S. dollars in debt? So it seems like screwing the environment, the American public and the rest of the world's humans doesn't even carry a monetary benefit.
So 9/11 was all in our imagination? Interesting viewpoint ... seriously demented, but interesting.

Liberal or conservative, the more power government has, the less power people have over themselves. Both forms of government need to step back and let us run our own lives. I'm really pleased to see Libertarians besides myself here on NS.
I think we need Libertarians to keep the rest of us honest. Just a thought.

Individuals need to start taking responsibility for their own lives and stop being so dependent on the church or state to tell them how to live

Which is exactly what Libertarianism is. The state leaves us alone. So does the church, if we want it to.

So 9/11 was all in our imagination? Interesting viewpoint ... seriously demented, but interesting.

Yes ... the towers are still there. It's done with smoke and mirrors. Didn't you see the special when David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty vanish? :D

Yes ... the towers are still there. It's done with smoke and mirrors. Didn't you see the special when David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty vanish? :D
Funny, but these conspiracy whackjobs are dangerous.
Glad to be back!

this thread is not worthy of my supreme knowledge!!!!
Let the imbiciles parce meaningless words!!!!!

Some liberals want the government to stay out of foreign affairs. Some want to help the world. It is the same with conservatives, they just have different ways of doing it.

Sure!

Liberal way:
Hardluck third worlder: "Hey look food shipments"

Conservative way:
Hardluck third worlder: "INCOMMING!!!!!"

:p

Liberal way:

"We know what you really want."

Conservative way:

"No, we know what you really want."

Libertarian way:

"You know what you really want."

Communist way:

"We have no interest in what most of you want, so we'll just say your brainwashed."

Sure!

Liberal way:
Hardluck third worlder: "Hey look food shipments"

Conservative way:
Hardluck third worlder: "INCOMMING!!!!!"

:p

Libertarian way. Hard luck third worlder: try harder you might succeed.

(Oh, I am a third worlder and Libertarian) ;)

*smiles*

It all boils down to the fact that we've all got different viewpoints, yet function the same way at base level. Some want things done one way, some want it done the other. But we all need to feel safe and happy. So clashing is bound to occur.

-Asylum Nova