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Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.

I think todays rolemodel females are too sexually repressed

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.

Totally agree with you bud. These whores like Hilton and Spears haven't worked a day in their life yet think they are so much better than everyone else but all they are is a bunch of immoral infidels.

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.


America is a cesspool of indecency, its not news to anyone.

I for one blame the national disgrace we call "the education system."

I don't see rolemodels as being the cause.

Rather, it's the fact that family values are being systematically destroyed by popular culture, so much so that you'll probably get flamed for disagreeing with it.

You forgot that cloven-footed harlot Angelina Jolie

Totally agree with you bud. These whores like Hilton and Spears haven't worked a day in their life yet think they are so much better than everyone else but all they are is a bunch of immoral infidels.


If you were born into or stumbled upon great wealth and celebrity, I have reservations in believing that your actions or attitudes would be significantly different.

we are degenerate yay

I don't see rolemodels as being the cause.

Rather, it's the fact that family values are being systematically destroyed by popular culture, so much so that you'll probably get flamed for disagreeing with it.

Exactly. Less people eat dinner together, families dont talk as much. What will happen? There is more criminal activity, immoral behaviors.

america is oppressed--in europe young girls are taught to put condims on bananas with their mouth in school

america is oppressed--in europe young girls are taught to put condims on bananas with their mouth in school
yeah, and europe has lower crime than we do.

america is oppressed--in europe young girls are taught to put condims on bananas with their mouth in school
Not while I was in school.

america is oppressed--in europe young girls are taught to put condims on bananas with their mouth in school

Really?

yeah, and europe has lower crime than we do.

Thats is true, but its slowly catching up.

yeah, and europe has lower crime than we do.
sex lowers crime rates

Not while I was in school.
im sorry Bud

hey everyone what about we all go to europe and have sex and have lower crime rates?

I don't see rolemodels as being the cause.

Rather, it's the fact that family values are being systematically destroyed by popular culture, so much so that you'll probably get flamed for disagreeing with it.

If I ever get a family, I will invent something get millions of dollars, I will still work, but my wife wont have to, she can do traditional things. This is not perfect, we have wal-greens, BS. But if every family functioned like that this world would be a better place.

Not that Im a sexist person, if either parent stays home its better, it will usually be the mother because of kids and stuff, with the milk, and the evolution But thats not what this is about.

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears

I promise you ... nobody cares about Britney except fat horny internet junkies, mmkay? Nobody looks up to her anymore.

Really?
aye and they show full frontal nudity on Tv

im sorry Bud
Me too. :(

sex lowers crime rates

It does? How? Seems it would raise it, seeing as 50 years ago people had sex at older ages and crime was WAY down.

Also sex at younger ages can be traced to parents who dont give a shit. To some extent.

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.

I think it's scary that these are the people you consider as role models.

hey everyone what about we all go to europe and have sex and have lower crime rates?
we need to lowe it in america dog

aye and they show full frontal nudity on Tv
Ah yes. Thats pretty cool. But only after 23:00 hours.

I promise you ... nobody cares about Britney except fat horny internet junkies, mmkay? Nobody looks up to her anymore.

Not anymore, now shes been replaced with Paris Hilton.

I promise you ... nobody cares about Britney except fat horny internet junkies, mmkay? Nobody looks up to her anymore.

Actually I do, she worked hard to get where she is today, did you know she is actually thinking of becoming a forsenics scientist? Thats admirable.

Ah yes. Thats pretty cool. But only after 23:00 hours.

yeah same with the US, after 11:30 its legal.

Please define "immoral" or "normal" for that matter.. good luck with that! :rolleyes:

Actually I do, she worked hard to get where she is today, did you know she is actually thinking of becoming a forsenics scientist? Thats admirable.
Yes. She was "inspired" by the show CSI.

It does? How? Seems it would raise it, seeing as 50 years ago people had sex at older ages and crime was WAY down.

Also sex at younger ages can be traced to parents who dont give a shit. To some extent.
parents just want to control people anyway

yeah, and europe has lower crime than we do.
Crime rate per hundred thousand in the United States: ~4200
In Germany: ~8000
In England/Wales: ~11,000
In Sweden: ~13,000

;)


And yes, to answer the original question.

Actually I do, she worked hard to get where she is today, did you know she is actually thinking of becoming a forsenics scientist? Thats admirable.

Thats fine, just stop dressing like a whore appealing to young children and marrying 50 people a day. Only to divorce them 4 hours later.

I don't think Britney and Paris are evil, just tacky.

It does? How? Seems it would raise it, seeing as 50 years ago people had sex at older ages and crime was WAY down.

Also sex at younger ages can be traced to parents who dont give a shit. To some extent.

Poppycock.

Prove that the sexual age was older, or the crime rate was lower.

All you can present is statistics.

And they don't show how, for example, less people ADMITTED to having sex at younger ages.

Prove that the crime was less... all you can prove is that less crimes were reported.

Are you be a christian fundamentalist...? They always harp on about golden years that never happened in reality.

Ah yes. Thats pretty cool. But only after 23:00 hours.
america got all of europes social rejects it seems sometimes

Crime rate per hundred thousand in the United States: ~4200
In Germany: ~8000
In England/Wales: ~11,000
In Sweden: ~13,000

;)


And yes, to answer the original question.

Really??? Do you have any proof? I dont think you would make that up. But sure.

Thats fine, just stop dressing like a whore appealing to young children and marrying 50 people a day. Only to divorce them 4 hours later.
Don't call Britney a whore. Christina Aguilera is a whore, not Britney

Really??? Do you have any proof? I dont think you would make that up. But sure.
Those are numbers, submitted by national governments, to INTERPOL. The U.S. figures are available at the FBI's website (the Uniform Crime Reports). I don't know, offhand, where you could find English-language reports for other countries; crime victimization surveys, which similarly show a much greater prevalence of crime in Europe, and conducted semi-regularly by the UN, are readily available. I'll go grab some.

You forgot that cloven-footed harlot Angelina Jolie

What the fuck did she ever do to you?

Here we go:

From the U.N. ICVS:

England/Wales:
1989 19.4%
1992 30.2%
1996 30.9%
2000 29.6%

Sweden
1992 21.5%
1996 24.0%
2000 24.7%

USA
1989 28.9%
1992 26.1%
1996 24.2%
2000 21.1%

It should be noted that the English crime rate, and victimization rate, has since risen, while the American rates continue to decline.


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It should be noted that victimization surveys tend to undercount the differences in crime levels between countries.

i see. more sex = more burglary. more sex = less murder. i think usa has far more murders than europe correct me if i'm wrong.

Don't call Britney a whore. Christina Aguilera is a whore, not Britney
Britneys face is shot

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.
Teen sex has actually DECLINED over the past decade. Besides you can't TELL people what's "moral". Your post is entirely based on speculation and not on fact.

i see. more sex = more burglary. more sex = less murder. i think usa has far more murders than europe correct me if i'm wrong.
Correct, save for Scotland, N. Ireland, Netherlands, Russia and possibly some other post-Soviet states. That said, it's about the only crime category for which that is true, and the cause is morely likely attributeable to the United States' large minority population (Blacks have more sex and commit more murders -- go figure), gang, drug and illegal immigration problems.

Indeed, it would probably be more accurate to say "Mexican border = more murder." And of course, back in the 60's, there was less premarital sex, less crime and fewer murders in the U.S. Finally, European crime rates (including murder, to a greater or lesser degree) are on the rise; in the U.S., the murder rate just hit a 40-year-low.

Correct, save for Scotland, N. Ireland, Netherlands, Russia and possibly some other post-Soviet states. That said, it's about the only crime category for which that is true, and the cause is morely likely attributeable to the United States' large minority population (Blacks have more sex and commit more murders -- go figure), gang, drug and illegal immigration problems.

Indeed, it would probably be more accurate to say "Mexican border = more murder." And of course, back in the 60's, there was less premarital sex, less crime and fewer murders in the U.S. Finally, European crime rates (including murder, to a greater or lesser degree) are on the rise; in the U.S., the murder rate just hit a 40-year-low.
Interesting. So there is more and more sex and degeneracy in American culture, yet our crime rates are declining. There is also more and more sex and degeneracy in European culture, yet their crime rates are going up... perhaps crime rates have little to do with the sex in pop culture...

Correct, save for Scotland, N. Ireland, Netherlands, Russia and possibly some other post-Soviet states. That said, it's about the only crime category for which that is true, and the cause is morely likely attributeable to the United States' large minority population (Blacks have more sex and commit more murders -- go figure), gang, drug and illegal immigration problems.

Indeed, it would probably be more accurate to say "Mexican border = more murder." And of course, back in the 60's, there was less premarital sex, less crime and fewer murders in the U.S. Finally, European crime rates (including murder, to a greater or lesser degree) are on the rise; in the U.S., the murder rate just hit a 40-year-low.

More sex=more murder?
I going to say this because I have been permitted too according to the Angelina Jolie Decision made here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7956299&postcount=2)
Your arguments are idiotic, therefore you are an idiot.

Interesting. So there is more and more sex and degeneracy in American culture, yet our crime rates are declining. There is also more and more sex and degeneracy in European culture, yet their crime rates are going up... perhaps crime rates have little to do with the sex in pop culture...
We have a winner!

Crime has to do with freedom. The US is really cracking down since it is known as a haven for crime. Europe less so, since they have the image of being low crime. It is social change, the weak get stronger and the strong stagnate until they are overtaken. The same will happen to the American education system, it will get stronger trying to catch-up while Europe stagnates despite growing populations until is as equally useless as the States right now.

As for sex etc. I just think it shouldn't be targetted at such small kids. If a University student wants to be a whore and fuck a different guy each week that's her choice. What disturbs me is the fact that there are girls at the age of 10 who look up to Britney Spears and 13 year olds that dress like her. That is what disturbs me. It's nice I won't deny, that the girls in my class can't bend over without showing half their ass, but it still disturbs me. Parents should stay out of it, since parents can't do shit with their kids, it is the moral responsibility of the media and the kids, not the parents.

More sex=more murder?
...I never made that argument.

So you find that female role models today are immoral, but you don't mind this because you believe no matter what the whores do it has no consequence on crime, other social conditions, etc?

hey Battlestar Christiania

So you find that female role models today are immoral, but you don't mind this because you believe no matter what the whores do it has no consequence on crime, other social conditions, etc?
I didn't say that.

I didn't say that.
Well you answered "yes" to the question "are female role models immoral" but you agree with me that sex in pop culture has little to do with crime rates in said society.

Here we go:

From the U.N. ICVS:

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For more statistics, try www.nationmaster.com. Their data for per-capita crimes can be found here (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_tot_cri_cap).

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.
I don't find them so much "immoral" as just faintly ridiculous and vapid.

I don't find them so much "immoral" as just faintly ridiculous and vapid.
quoted for truth.

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.

In short, no. I think you're letting image and fact merge. In particular, I doubt strongly that immorality, disease, age of sexual activity, and divorce were really "better" in the past than today. In particular, I doubt that you have any real insight on either Paris Hilton or Britney Spears other than what they and their media consultants decide to project in order to make money.

The past isn't what people would like it to be. For that matter, neither is the present.

Britney and Paris are vapid sluts if they allow media consultants define who they are

It does? How? Seems it would raise it, seeing as 50 years ago people had sex at older ages and crime was WAY down.

Also sex at younger ages can be traced to parents who dont give a shit. To some extent.
no, 50 years ago, people got married much younger and were having sex shortly after. i'm sure the age of sex is about the same as it was and has been for some time (i.e. 12 year old girls used to get married...) it's just that it's outside of marriage now.

and at any rate, look at the male role models pop culture provides... do you honestly think they're any better?

role models are for losers--be your own role model--something thats fake is not better then the real you

Crime rate per hundred thousand in the United States: ~4200
In Germany: ~8000
In England/Wales: ~11,000
In Sweden: ~13,000

;)


And yes, to answer the original question.


Source inmediatamente

From Nationmaster.com, with citations:

FRANCE:
Assaults: 106,484 (2000) [9th of 58]
(per capita): 1.76 per 1000 people [25th of 57]
Murders: 1051 (2000) [12th of 63]
(per capita): 0.01 per 1000 people
Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

NORWAY:
Assaults: 14,727 (2000) [28th of 58]
(per capita): 3.23 per 1000 people [17th of 57]
Murders: 49 (2000) [53rd of 63]
(per capita): 0.01 per 1000 people [53rd of 62]
Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

JAPAN
Assaults: 43,229 (2000) [15th of 58]
(per capita): 0.33 per 1000 people [42nd of 57]
Murders: 637 (2000) [22nd of 63]
(per capita): 0.00 per 1000 people [60th of 62]
Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)


U.S.A.
Assaults: 2,238,480 (1999) [1st of 58]
(per capita): 7.70 per 1000 people [5th of 57]
Murders: 12,658 (1999) [6th of 63]
(per capita): 0.04 per 1000 people [24th of 62]
Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

It does? How? Seems it would raise it, seeing as 50 years ago people had sex at older ages and crime was WAY down.

no and no.

check out the kinsey reports - most people then and now had sex by the time they were 18.

and crime is way down now - in 2003 the us had the lowest violent crime rate it has ever recorded. the only things that allows our incarceration rate to keep going up is the war on drugs and mandatory minimums.

I think the REAL question is:

Why do we have such shit-faced and ugly rolemodels?!

These women are role models with weight issues, drug and alochol and emotional problems, but to emulators these women are there aspirational figures. I think that they are a problem to todays society, but its a thing that will never change in years to come. :mad:

'Immoral' by your narrow-minded standards perhaps. They're suppose to be entertainers or icons of beauty, not sources of guidance on how to live. If people are imitating these persons, thats their choice.

Which brings up another question: when will you neo-con moralists settle?

Lol. People who think Paris and Britney are role models are stupid.

Thats is true, but its slowly catching up.

America has 14 times the murder rate of the UK, and the rest of Europe show no sign of catching up.

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.

I dont think its role models, the media's influence on people is far higher than it should be. When you consider that what the media is doing for itself is making money, and what the people watching it are picking up from it/having their views altered/being informed on etc can be any number of things. They are two diffrent goals and the fact that one is merging with the other is worrying. I wonder just how society will look in 40 years.

i see. more sex = more burglary. more sex = less murder. i think usa has far more murders than europe correct me if i'm wrong.
No, europe and the UK don't have a black population that will not face it's problems, and instead continue to blame it on others. If you remove all murders in the US commited by black people and remove that section of the pop from the count as well the American murder rate drops well below the UK, and the crime rate drops well below europes with the biggest exception being Switzerland.

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases. Think, they will be having sex younger, stds will happen, people will marry more often, leading to more divorce. And young girls in middle and high schools (Being a sub-teacher) Are so whorish, and obnoxious. Always yelling weird remarks. Doing things that would be turn offs and unnaceptable about 50 years ago. This is bringing traditions down the drain.

I like to look at older shows and movies and see how much better things were back than.

Oooh sex is so scary!!! (Boo!!!)

Actually if women want to be sexually forward, good for them, since they are not doing it to make a living, but doing it for fun, it's a little unfair to call them whores. perhaps assertive would be a better description.

Frankly people who get STDs in developed countries are stupid. use a condom!!!!

If I ever get a family, I will invent something get millions of dollars, I will still work, but my wife wont have to, she can do traditional things. This is not perfect, we have wal-greens, BS. But if every family functioned like that this world would be a better place.

Not that Im a sexist person, if either parent stays home its better, it will usually be the mother because of kids and stuff, with the milk, and the evolution But thats not what this is about.

What if your wife wants to work? What if she invents things that will make you millionaires? Even if you have children and she decides to stay home with them that doesn't mean she can't have a career before she has children and restart it once they've gotten a bit older. Family values are important and I feel very fortunate that my mother chose to retire from teaching and be a stay-at-home mom, but blaming all of society's ills on women in the workplace is just ludicrous.

And people say feminism is outdated and no longer needed. :rolleyes:

I personally do feel that if anyone sees their young child trying to behave like people in music videos before they're old enough to know what exactly they're doing then they should sit down and talk to the kid about what's appropriate and what isn't. If nothing else, working with Social Services showed me that there are a hell of a lot more paedophiles out there than I initially believed, and little girls dressing like twentysomethings are going to attract the wrong kind of attention. That said, going through that "putting on way too much blue eyeshadow and lipgloss at slumber parties to look 'glamourous'" phase is a pretty natural part of growing up as a girl, to my mind!

But as for young girls being 'whorish' and 'obnoxious'...my sister teaches junior high and she loves her classes, she doesn't find them that way at all. Me, personally, thinking back to my own schooldays, I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find any middle-school student who isn't obnoxious at least occasionally! That's half the point of growing up, learning how to behave in various situations. And how many adults like the same music they did when they were 11 years old, anyway? Generally by the time you hit university you're so embarrassed about the boybands and teenybopper stuff you liked you're trying on entirely new personas anyway. I'd be extremely surprised if all the girls who listened to Britney grew up to be prostitutes or serial divorcees, personally.

Things weren't all that great 'back then'. My mother was the first person in her family to go to university, and even then she had very limited career choices because of her gender: nurse, teacher, or nun were pretty much the options. The fact that we now have many more extremely talented and capable female doctors, lawyers, scientists, writers, economists, and so on, as well as nurses, teachers and nuns is a good thing, to my mind, and that at least was one 'tradition' I was glad to see disappear.

In short, no. I think you're letting image and fact merge. In particular, I doubt strongly that immorality, disease, age of sexual activity, and divorce were really "better" in the past than today. In particular, I doubt that you have any real insight on either Paris Hilton or Britney Spears other than what they and their media consultants decide to project in order to make money.

The past isn't what people would like it to be. For that matter, neither is the present.

Exactly.

Well you answered "yes" to the question "are female role models immoral" but you agree with me that sex in pop culture has little to do with crime rates in said society.
What's your point?

For more statistics, try <-snip->. Their data for per-capita crimes can be found <-snip->.
Those numbers are wrong. The US rate is barely half the indicated number.

FBI UCR:

"The crime rate standardizes the volume of crime by measuring it per 100,000 U.S. resident population. In 2002, the estimated volume of the reported crime per 100,000 was 4,118.8, which reflected a 1.1-percent decrease when compared to the 2001 rate, a 10.9-percent decrease when compared to the 1998 rate, and a 24.9-percent decrease when compared to the 1993 rate."

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel03/ucr2002.htm

It does? How? Seems it would raise it, seeing as 50 years ago people had sex at older ages and crime was WAY down.

Also sex at younger ages can be traced to parents who dont give a shit. To some extent.

what a great argument. You're a classroom assistant? Did you not learn how to draw conclusions from evidence before they let you loose on the youth of america? do you think that chastity causes diseases? because 80 years ago people had sex at older ages and typhoid, cholera and tuberculosis were much higher than they are now.

No, wait, that's not right is it, because 80 years ago it was legal to get married at 13 or 14 in lots of the southern us. My mistake. Still, we can prove that computer ownership makes people taller, because nowadays people are taller, and more of them own computers.

America has 14 times the murder rate of the UK, and the rest of Europe show no sign of catching up.
The US has THREE times the murder rate of England and Wales. Throw N. Ireland and Scotland into the equation, and the rates are closer still. The UK has MUCH higher rates for all other types of crime, and the rates in Europe are indeed on the increase.

The US has THREE times the murder rate of the UK.

what does this have to do with morons all over the globe taking dumb sluts like paris hilton as their role model?

futhermore, the dumb people who would treat paris hilton as a role model presumably couldn't, because they don't have the option to spend their life shopping and appearing in shit tv programs, because they aren't rich or famous.

Is your point that stupid / ugly / poor people shouldn't have sex for fun? cause i think they should if they want. my problem with us society role modelling is that stupid / ugly / poor people think that just because intelligent / beautiful / rich people have stuff, they should be able to have it too.

Those numbers are wrong. The US rate is barely half the indicated number.

FBI UCR:

"The crime rate standardizes the volume of crime by measuring it per 100,000 U.S. resident population. In 2002, the estimated volume of the reported crime per 100,000 was 4,118.8, which reflected a 1.1-percent decrease when compared to the 2001 rate, a 10.9-percent decrease when compared to the 1998 rate, and a 24.9-percent decrease when compared to the 1993 rate."

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel03/ucr2002.htm

Did you edit this before you posted it? the page says:
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The crime rate standardizes the volume of crime by measuring it per 100,000 U.S. resident population. In 2002, the estimated volume of the reported serious crime per 100,000 was 4,118.8, which reflected a 1.1-percent decrease when compared to the 2001 rate, a 10.9-percent decrease when compared to the 1998 rate, and a 24.9-percent decrease when compared to the 1993 rate.
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what happened to the word "serious"? did you remove it because if you'd left it in your argument would hinge on the FBI's definition of "serious"? Did you take it out because you are, like all neocons, intellectually dishonest?

Anyone fancy a Fcuk and a spot of street crime???

The way I see it:

A lot of middle/highschoolers (male and female) REALLY need to find some new rolemodels. At least some of the female hip hoppers actualy wear clothes. Sometimes. Anyways. Crime is more dependant on a persons social/economical status, not soo much on whether or not you screw anything that moves.

Whether or not the US is amoral, or has a high crime rate is moot. Whether or not people had sex at older ages in the past doesn't matter. You can't turn back the clock because you don't like what you see. The world is changing, whether people like it or not. Do I like these changes? For the most part, not really. You don't see me complaining though.

The way I see it:

A lot of middle/highschoolers (male and female) REALLY need to find some new rolemodels. At least some of the female hip hoppers actualy wear clothes. Sometimes. Anyways. Crime is more dependant on a persons social/economical status, not soo much on whether or not you screw anything that moves.

Whether or not the US is amoral, or has a high crime rate is moot. Whether or not people had sex at older ages in the past doesn't matter. You can't turn back the clock because you don't like what you see. The world is changing, whether people like it or not. Do I like these changes? For the most part, not really. You don't see me complaining though.

What we (and I say we even though I'm 20 and living on my own) need is parenting. Movies are entertainment. Pop stars are entertaining. Parents need to take more control of family time, instead of using "TV Education" as an altertative to answering the unescapable questions of a 6-year-old. THe problem with "role models" is that our children are modeling after people they see as popular and successful. We all wanted to be popular and successful growing up. Let our kids do the same. But teach them, don't let the entertainment industry teach them, the morals behind success and adolesence. We don't have bad role models. What we have is a failure to convey discipline and adult behavior when society can scream "Kill, blow it up, fuck you.... etc" as we see in movies that we let our kids go to. I say that last sentence because when I went to see Kill Bill vol.1 in theaters, there were 3~9 year olds there... being taught about revenge. I hope that the parents spent time AFTER the movie, teaching their kids....

Go forth and multiply, the Big G says.

They are....um....doing that.

Its really horrible, nowadays young women, even girls look up to people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and a ton of other whores. This makes them dress and act like whores themselves. This leads to immoral behaviors, and even diseases.
Totally agree with you. There should be better female role models like when we young.
Like Madonna for instance. There was someone young girls could look up to.

no, 50 years ago, people got married much younger and were having sex shortly after. i'm sure the age of sex is about the same as it was and has been for some time (i.e. 12 year old girls used to get married...) it's just that it's outside of marriage now.

and at any rate, look at the male role models pop culture provides... do you honestly think they're any better?

I dont think they're any better, but men have always wanted to have early sex. It was the women who abstained.

America has 14 times the murder rate of the UK, and the rest of Europe show no sign of catching up.

It does not have 14 times the murder rate! Last time I checked it was 2 or 3, But thats just England, if you put all of the UK together it might be about the same. And countries like Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece other southern and eastern European countries are catching up.

Boy was I a geek. When I was 14 my heroes were Barbara Jordan, Thurgood Marshall, Jimmy Carter and Margeret Sanger.