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This chart is a bit complicated, first, it isn't net money, instead it produces an average of what the average working wage is in each country, then it accounts for how much each country's relief services has donated. So while the U.S. has probably has donated much more money then, say, Kuwait, Kuwaitees are forking over almost an entire days worth of pay! On average!

That includes Australia, Norway, Qatar, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the list goes on... thank you Europe! (With the exception of France, Italy and Saudi Arabia.)

Even if the working wage is significantly lower then the norm, it isn't how much you give, but how much of your personal income you are sacraficing for others.

Let no one say call Kuwait part of the "Third World" the area was the birthplace of human civilization and seems to still be the heart of humanity's spirit of giving.

I forbid this from becoming a anti-United States thread, I'm just nodding my head to the smaller, yet so much more giving countries.

Other charities exist besides those for tsunami aid. Many people I no have given a little to this tsunami relief, but still maintain their usual charity donations.


Should these people stop donating to their usual charities just because tsunami relief is the flavor of the moment?

No, not at all. This post is just recognition to the smaller countries who donate aid to all kinds of charities. This isn't a my charity male genitalia is bigger then yours thread.

How about a chart of $$$ given vs % of population that is Muslim?? :D

Kuwait has extremely large majority of Muslims.

Face it, muslims gave up the most out of their daily pay for the victims of a natural disastor. At least in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia is on the other end of the chart, though.

I am sorry to see Brazil is not even on the chart.

Excuse time: - we are a poor third world country, with low income, and a large population. We give what we can.

Do you know if this chart covers donations given by the governments of the countries, or by the people themselves, or some combiantion of the two?

odd... I just browsed the internet and USA today claims that the US public has donated (according to a few quick calculations of their stats) $10,000,000,000... Which equates to about a third of how much the average american earns in one day. Which is somewhat higher than your graph.

*wonders how this two figures could be so grossly disproportionate*

However last week the USA today poll's figures looked somewhat different.

link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20050111/ts_usatoday/pollusdonationsstillflowingtoasia&e=4)

Hrm, the graph could be wrong, tallying aid isn't exactly a science.

This post is just recognition to the smaller countries who donate aid to all kinds of charities.


The chart says "Contributions to the Indian Ocean earthquake region from one days pay (averaged per capita per country)" It doesn't say anything about donating aid to all kinds of charities??

Can you find the page where it came from with the data collected to produce this chart. If not, then I mark this up to Islamic propaganda.

I think rather than tally the public's genorosity, or lack thereof, I think we should be a little bit more concerned about government donations. Oxfam claims that $200 million of the $1 billion pledged for imediate use. Oxfam goes on to say that government aid is following a similar pattern to other recent disasters and that the majority of aid promised will not be honoured.

Sorry about that thread hike.

How can it possibly be muslim propoganda when Saudi Arabia is on the other end of the spectrum?

Your cut egraph is not accurate at all....

Kuwait has extremely large majority of Muslims.

Face it, muslims gave up the most out of their daily pay for the victims of a natural disastor. At least in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia is on the other end of the chart, though.

Daily pay is NOT a way to measure this, since it's not the people giving, it is the government.
Saudi Arabia gave $30 million. The Kingdom is MUCH richer than that!

My question is why is this even done in the first place???

What is this a competition?

See who races in first during a crisis??

Why the heck are we focusing more on how much money was donated than on how much affect it has had on the people??

Are there people alive today who spent their lives waiting for disasters so that they can sit there and tally up and post the results of how much a country gives?

What has happened to humanity when we are more concerned with amount and numbers than the fact that PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DYING WHILE YOU BICKER ABOUT MONEY!!!

All I hear on the news is US donated this amount. France donated this amount. Blah blah nation donated this amount.

What happened to "this many people were saved." "this many children found families."

Isn't that what's important???

Well, I mean, come on, if countries are going to compete, what better way the aid?! I mean, honestly, international soccer tournaments? Military size?

I don't see the harm in competing for "best aid giver ever" award, especially when the competition helps people.

Saudi Arabia gave $30 million. The Kingdom is MUCH richer than that!What you are saying is that the chart is accurate, You say that Saudi Arabia is givin Little...and so says the Chart.

What you are saying is that the chart is accurate, You say that Saudi Arabia is givin Little...and so says the Chart.

No, what I'm saying is that the chart should not stand alone. There should also be comparison charts for given vs. GNP, given vs. % muslim, etc. On it's own, the chart is incomplete.

Well, I mean, come on, if countries are going to compete, what better way the aid?! I mean, honestly, international soccer tournaments? Military size?

I don't see the harm in competing for "best aid giver ever" award, especially when the competition helps people.
Fine, but ONLY if it's a competition between private individuals of different countries.

just because part of islam is to give to charity, doesnt mean there should be a %muslim thing on the chart. i dont think theyre the only ones with a 'duty' to give to charity, we all have, especially when you think that many muslims live in third world counttries anyways.

and it really shouldnt take us a massive disaster and 175000 deaths before people realise we need to give to charity.

and as to the whole competition thing, i agree, i think aid is one of these things where it shouldnt be a competition and its more a "look what we've achieved by working together" type thing.

Reminds me of this charity thing we did in HS. My graduating class went beserk (because many of us had jobs) and so kept whacking in $50 a day. As a result we made a lot of money.

Either we did it out of the goodness of our hearts, or we were engaged in a pissing contest with money.

"That includes Australia, Norway, Qatar, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the list goes on... thank you Europe! (With the exception of France, Italy and Saudi Arabia.)"


I find it interesting that you consider Saudi Arabia part of Europe but not Portugal. (?)

the chart is incomplete.People complaining about the Chart, should put up their own Chart

"That includes Australia, Norway, Qatar, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the list goes on... thank you Europe! (With the exception of France, Italy and Saudi Arabia.)"


I find it interesting that you consider Saudi Arabia part of Europe but not Portugal. (?)
Australia, Qatar, New Zealand, are not in Europe...

What he meant is that EU citizens (tru their Income taxes) are being generous (per capita)..along with a few other countries...

Kuwait has extremely large majority of Muslims.

Face it, muslims gave up the most out of their daily pay for the victims of a natural disastor. At least in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia is on the other end of the chart, though.
I think you might find the reason 'Muslim Kuwaitis' are forking so much over towards the Tsunami is in fact due to the huge number of foreign workers there. Nearly all the domestic workers in Kuwait are from Indonesia and Thailand.
They're the ones sending the money back. For the reports in my local paper, some have sent back their entire month's pay.

People complaining about the Chart, should put up their own Chart

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/dis_tsu_tot_aid_pac

1. Germany $1,071,000,000
2. United States $1,003,000,000
3. Australia $963,370,000
4. Canada $500,450,000
5. Japan $500,000,000
6. Netherlands $446,500,000
7. United Kingdom $327,800,000
8. Norway $265,100,000
9. India $183,000,000
10. Switzerland $157,900,000
11. Sweden $144,400,000
12. Italy $120,130,000
13. Taiwan $110,000,000
14. Denmark $110,000,000
15. Kuwait $100,000,000
16. Saudi Arabia $97,500,000
17. China $95,070,000
18. Austria $91,420,000
19. Finland $88,100,000
20. New Zealand $81,660,000
21. Ireland $78,350,000
22. Spain $73,130,000
23. Belgium $65,370,000
24. Hong Kong $57,500,000
25. France $54,840,000
26. Greece $26,500,000
27. Qatar $25,000,000
28. United Arab Emirates $20,000,000
29. Czech Republic $19,000,000
30. Singapore $15,000,000
31. Portugal $10,450,000
32. Luxembourg $6,800,000
33. Libya $2,000,000
34. Bahrain $2,000,000
35. Poland $1,000,000
36. Cyprus $370,000
37. Bulgaria $140,000
Total $6.91 billion

OF THAT total:
15. Kuwait $100,000,000
16. Saudi Arabia $97,500,000
27. Qatar $25,000,000
28. United Arab Emirates $20,000,000
33. Libya $2,000,000
34. Bahrain $2,000,000

Only $247,000,000 was given by Arab Nations. That's less than 4% of the aid.
Meanwhile, Germany, USA and Australia EACH alone has pledged FIVE TIMES that. Those 3 nations combined are giving NEARLY HALF the funding!

Why is Bahrain, which is rich beyond averice, being so stingy? Where is Iran? Why is China, supposedly the economic powerhouse of the region chimes in with less than Taiwan???

My point is simply that the graph previously posted is not telling the complete story.

While the amount given per Kuwaiti citizen is much higher than the average Australian, American or German one, the actual amount given is not that impressive. Consider that the average German has a purchasing parity of $27,600. The average Kuwaiti? $19,000. That's not even 2:1. Yet Kuwaiti aid is only a tenth of German aid.(http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html)

So just because Kuwait has a smaller population does NOT make what they gave a real sacrifice. They could TRIPLE what they gave and still not be on the same level as the Germans.

uhh, I think your missing the point.

When a well off person donates $100 in aid, it's a great thing to do.

When a poor person who can barely feed his family donates $1, it's a great thing to do.

I don't see the conflict, I was just simply saying, that while the smaller/poorer countries don't donate alot, and since don't get alot of recognition, dosent mean they aren't sacraficing less then say, the average middle-class American.

What did I say about virtual male genitalia comparison?

My question is why is this even done in the first place???

What is this a competition?

See who races in first during a crisis??

Why the heck are we focusing more on how much money was donated than on how much affect it has had on the people??

Are there people alive today who spent their lives waiting for disasters so that they can sit there and tally up and post the results of how much a country gives?

What has happened to humanity when we are more concerned with amount and numbers than the fact that PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DYING WHILE YOU BICKER ABOUT MONEY!!!

All I hear on the news is US donated this amount. France donated this amount. Blah blah nation donated this amount.

What happened to "this many people were saved." "this many children found families."

Isn't that what's important???

Why yes little one. That's how the world operates.
And that's why I say, die or live, I don't care about petty affairs.

Israel is markedly not on the chart. Why?

uhh, I think your missing the point.

When a well off person donates $100 in aid, it's a great thing to do.

When a poor person who can barely feed his family donates $1, it's a great thing to do.

I don't see the conflict, I was just simply saying, that while the smaller/poorer countries don't donate alot, and since don't get alot of recognition, dosent mean they aren't sacraficing less then say, the average middle-class American.

What did I say about virtual male genitalia comparison?

That's what I'm debating: They Kuwaitis are NOT that poor. I posted proof. If Chad or Angola had donated even a quarter of what Kuwait did, I'd be in awe.

All the relief is good, don't get me wrong. I'm just not impressed with the level of Arab nation donation.

Go Australia! :D

Wow, Germany and the US. Australia's not too far behind.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/dis_tsu_tot_aid_pac

1. Germany $1,071,000,000
2. United States $1,003,000,000
3. Australia $963,370,000
...
So just because Kuwait has a smaller population does NOT make what they gave a real sacrifice. They could TRIPLE what they gave and still not be on the same level as the Germans.
That's what I'm debating: They Kuwaitis are NOT that poor. I posted proof. If Chad or Angola had donated even a quarter of what Kuwait did, I'd be in awe.

...from your own Making-Yourselph-a-Graph site...the chart is very close to the Original post:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/dis_tsu_tot_aid_pac_gdp

Country ----Amount


Country ----Amount
1. Kuwait ---$2.71 million per $1 billion
2. Australia ---$1.83 million per $1 billion
3. Norway ----$1.77 million per $1 billion
4. Qatar ----$1.57 million per $1 billion
5. New Zealand ----$1.04 million per $1 billion
6. Netherlands ---$1.01 million per $1 billion
7. Denmark ---$708306.50 per $1 billion
8. Ireland ---$689094.10 per $1 billion
9. Switzerland ---$676520.99 per $1 billion
10. Finland ---$658445.44 per $1 billion
11. Sweden ---$625921.10 per $1 billion
12. Canada ---$535756.34 per $1 billion
13. Germany ---$495833.33 per $1 billion
14. Austria ---$401493.19 per $1 billion
15. United Arab Emirates ---$370576.24 per $1 billion
16. Saudi Arabia ---$362588.32 per $1 billion
17. Luxembourg ---$309936.18 per $1 billion
18. Hong Kong ---$289672.54 per $1 billion
19. Taiwan ---$270935.96 per $1 billion
20. Belgium ---$218118.11 per $1 billion
21. United Kingdom ---$214528.79 per $1 billion
22. Bahrain ---$201816.34 per $1 billion
23. Japan ---$136948.78 per $1 billion
24. Singapore ---$133451.95 per $1 billion
25. Greece ---$130349.23 per $1 billion

This tread is about PER-CAPITA

...from your own Making-Yourselph-a-Graph site...the chart is very close to the Original post:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/dis_tsu_tot_aid_pac_cap

Country ----Amount

1. Norway -----$58.31 per person
2. Australia --$48.82 per person
3. Kuwait ------$45.80 per person
4. Qatar ------$30.59 per person
5. Netherlands $27.64 per person
6. Switzerland $21.57 per person
7. New Zealand $20.66 per person
8. Denmark------$20.42 per person
9. Ireland -------$19.96 per person
10. Finland ------$16.97 per person
11. Sweden ----$16.26 per person
12. Canada -----$15.53 per person
13. Luxembourg $14.97 per person
14. Germany -----$12.99 per person
15. Austria -----$11.16 per person
16. United Arab Emirates $8.04 per person
17. Hong Kong --$7.77 per person
18. Belgium -----$6.35 per person
19. United Kingdom $5.45 per person
20. Taiwan -----$4.86 per person
21. Saudi Arabia $4.01 per person
22. Japan ------$3.93 per person
23. United States $3.45 per person
24. Singapore --$3.25 per person
25. Bahrain ------$2.99 per person




Im curious ... this public donation ... or private ... or a combo?

Im curious ... this public donation ... or private ... or a combo?
Public, BTW i had the PerCapita, but i corrected it to PDG, wich takes into account AVERAGE INCOME.

Public, BTW i had the PerCapita, but i corrected it to PDG, wich takes into account AVERAGE INCOME.
Fair enough ... cool always good to see info :)

Public, BTW i had the PerCapita, but i corrected it to PDG, wich takes into account AVERAGE INCOME.

I never said that what you posted wasn't accurate, just that it wasn't the whole story.