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I'm curious: what does everyone here think of abortion? I, honestly, am not certain if I support the actual idea of abortion, or would I want my child aborted if it had to be done, but I am most definitely pro-choice, because it's not my choice. I'm a male, completely unable of giving birth, so what right do I have to decide whether a mother over in the next state can abort her child or not?

This has been hashed and re-hashed over and over but I'll answer anyway, women's body, women's choice. Well it's a little more complex than that but you get the gist.

I'm pro-life, unless the mother's life is threatened . . . but I have come to the conclusion that abortion still must stay legalized, because wether or not I like it they're still gonna occur (and the back-alley/illegal abortions are terribly unsafe)

I'm pro-life, unless the mother's life is threatened . . . but I have come to the conclusion that abortion still must stay legalized, because wether or not I like it they're still gonna occur (and the back-alley/illegal abortions are terribly unsafe)

I thought you were a libertarian?

Pro-choice, but I discourage abortion. If adoption was a viable option rather than a ticket to a screwed up life then I'd be fine with completely banning abortion in cases where noone's health is at risk and just have adoption.

I thought you were a libertarian?
Yes, but abortion is a tricky issue - besides, read what I have in bold

i may as well get in before this becomes a flame war...

i'm pro choice. i'm a girl, but i don't know what i would do if i were to find out tomorrow that i'm pregnant, and it isn't my place to tell any other woman what she should do in such a situation either.

let's see, counselling should not be mandatory before abortion, it should be offered and minors should be able to get abortions without parental consent.

furthermore, it is more important that we try to prevent abortions by offering good sexual education and offer means of getting contraceptives for those who would otherwise be unable to get them (poor, young) it would also be nice if insurance companies covered the birth control pill.

Yes, but abortion is a tricky issue - besides, read what I have in bold



I read it. Hence why some are stupid to think that by banning it, they will completely end it. It will just lead to back alley crap which will lead to many social and health problems.

I suppose I'm pro-choice. The only problem I have with abortion is that - in some cases - it can be an "easy out" so to speak. Of course, I'm a guy and don't really know much biology so I'm hardly equipped to make any sort of authoritative judgements on the subject.

I don't give a damn.

I'm pro-life, unless the mother's life is threatened . . . but I have come to the conclusion that abortion still must stay legalized, because wether or not I like it they're still gonna occur (and the back-alley/illegal abortions are terribly unsafe)
Me, too, except I also support it for rape victims.

Pro-Choice - however, that doesn't mean "pro-abortion" it just means I think it's up to a woman what she chooses to do with her body. The government has no place in our bodies!

On the fence

I think that rape/incestual rape victims should have the option to abort a foetus without being made to feel like murderers by those pro-life loonies.

A career woman who falls pregnant because she didn't take care to use contraception or insist her partner used contraception shouldn't be allowed one, she can always give up a baby for adoption if she didn't wan't it but a career is not a good enough reason to abort.

Obviously a pregnancy that threatens the life of the mother should also be aborted and if the foetus is unviable with an incurable disease then abortion would be kinder.

I have no views on the topic, and I do not intend to have any. My emotions get in the way of making a rational decision on the topic.

I support abortion, so long as I get some of those tasty fetuses. Mmmmmm!

I support abortion, so long as I get some of those tasty fetuses. Mmmmmm!
best with maple syrup

This thread has been posted at least five hundred times.

I am Pro-Life in all cases.
Abortion is murder and that's that.
Nothing can change my view on this.

Pro-choice in the early stages of pregnancy. I am against late term abortion, except when the mother's life is in danger.

There is no right time for abortion.

Hello?

Hi!

I am Pro-Life in all cases.
Abortion is murder and that's that.
Nothing can change my view on this.

I presume then that you are male. Any female, who had the prospect of going through nine months of pregnancy after being viciously raped, or whose life was at risk by an ectopic preganancy, or who was bearing a severely anomalous fetus, could not be so certain that that abortion is murder and that nothing could change her view.

I am pro choice, but this is for pretty much everything. Abortion, sex, drugs, etc. etc.

I am Pro-Life in all cases.
Abortion is murder and that's that.
Nothing can change my view on this.

So if your father raped you and impregnated you abortion wouldn't cross your mind?

Or you were raped on the way home from church by an aids infected dosser and became pregnant, abortion wouldn't be an option for you?

And say you did give birth and gave the baby up for adoption, what do you tell them when they trace you twenty years later to maybe ask about their Father or to find out the medical history of their biological parents?

Never say never, nothing is ever as cut and dried as you would like it to be.

i may as well get in before this becomes a flame war...

i'm pro choice. i'm a girl, but i don't know what i would do if i were to find out tomorrow that i'm pregnant, and it isn't my place to tell any other woman what she should do in such a situation either.

let's see, counselling should not be mandatory before abortion, it should be offered and minors should be able to get abortions without parental consent.

furthermore, it is more important that we try to prevent abortions by offering good sexual education and offer means of getting contraceptives for those who would otherwise be unable to get them (poor, young) it would also be nice if insurance companies covered the birth control pill.

Dakini pretty much sums it up. Enough said.

A person's body: their right. Until the second trimester.

i may as well get in before this becomes a flame war...

i'm pro choice. i'm a girl, but i don't know what i would do if i were to find out tomorrow that i'm pregnant, and it isn't my place to tell any other woman what she should do in such a situation either.

let's see, counselling should not be mandatory before abortion, it should be offered and minors should be able to get abortions without parental consent.

furthermore, it is more important that we try to prevent abortions by offering good sexual education and offer means of getting contraceptives for those who would otherwise be unable to get them (poor, young) it would also be nice if insurance companies covered the birth control pill.

True. This is perfect.

I am Pro-Life in all cases.
Abortion is murder and that's that.
Nothing can change my view on this.
By that, do you mean that even if your views were proved wrong, you would still hold them?

Or am I misunderstanding you?

I presume then that you are male. Any female, who had the prospect of going through nine months of pregnancy after being viciously raped, or whose life was at risk by an ectopic preganancy, or who was bearing a severely anomalous fetus, could not be so certain that that abortion is murder and that nothing could change her view.

I am pro choice, but this is for pretty much everything. Abortion, sex, drugs, etc. etc.
Just because I may be male does not mean I feel no sorrow over those who are raped.
They may have been raped but that child was created and must be brought into this world.
There are many women who have been raped and do not have an abortion.

By that, do you mean that even if your views were proved wrong, you would still hold them?

Or am I misunderstanding you?
Well these are my views on abortion

Well these are my views on abortion
err, you didn't answer my question.

So if your father raped you and impregnated you abortion wouldn't cross your mind?

Or you were raped on the way home from church by an aids infected dosser and became pregnant, abortion wouldn't be an option for you?

And say you did give birth and gave the baby up for adoption, what do you tell them when they trace you twenty years later to maybe ask about their Father or to find out the medical history of their biological parents?

Never say never, nothing is ever as cut and dried as you would like it to be.
You are wrong, actually.
If my father raped me I would bring the child into the world, that is I am a female in this context.

err, you didn't answer my question.
sorry
I meant that my views on abortion cannot really be proven wrong

sorry
I meant that my views on abortion cannot really be proven wrong
Mmmkay, I understand what you're saying now.

I'm curious: what does everyone here think of abortion? I, honestly, am not certain if I support the actual idea of abortion, or would I want my child aborted if it had to be done, but I am most definitely pro-choice, because it's not my choice. I'm a male, completely unable of giving birth, so what right do I have to decide whether a mother over in the next state can abort her child or not?I think it's nasty (Pardon me; would you pass the mustard?). There's really no way you can make abortion look attractive (Hey, I need some salt over here). Anyway you slice it, it's not going to be good for my stomach (Man, these things are good). The same goes for slaughterhouses (These things are a little pink in the middle). Just thinking about them gives me the willies (Cook them longer).

The rest of you idiots can bang your heads over it all day, but I quite honestly don't care much either way. It's not a voting issue for me. Personally, I think most of the pro-lifers are just squeamish. The remainder have some idiotic belief that an unformed embryo has feelings. Fortunately, nobody really listens to the latter (bunch of assclowns). As to the former, well, I kind of sympathize because I can't really contemplate someone getting warm fuzzies when they think of a fetus getting aborted.

In my head, you take care of the woman while she's pregnant. What honey wants, honey gets because, hey, she might see things differently next year if you just spend more time screwing her. If she doesn't want the kid after it's born, file for divorce, and sue the bitch for custody and as many assets as you can get. Yeah, that's the ticket. Some may look at things a little differently. Fine by me as long as it isn't based on some superstitious nonsense and doesn't really affect silly faggots like me.

Just because I may be male does not mean I feel no sorrow over those who are raped.
They may have been raped but that child was created and must be brought into this world.
There are many women who have been raped and do not have an abortion.

You are wrong, actually.
If my father raped me I would bring the child into the world, that is I am a female in this context.

May be male, I am a female in this context. Slightly confused methinks.
The rape example is one that a woman would have to answer to her own conscience about. You do not reply to the malformed fetus, or ectopic pregnancy problems? What would you do about these.

I will declare her that I am male, and therefor the discussion, is for me, only of academic interest. I have no right, whatsoever to impose my opinion on any woman facing this question.

My views on abortion are pro choice.

Personally, I don't think I could ever have done it myself (am a female who can't have kids), but do believe I don't have the right to tell another woman what she can or can't do with her body.

I think abortion should only be used in speacial cases.Anyway,there are to many people in the world anyway and do whatever you do,people never will come to a consense.

I am pro-choice.

I'm curious: what does everyone here think of abortion? I, honestly, am not certain if I support the actual idea of abortion, or would I want my child aborted if it had to be done, but I am most definitely pro-choice, because it's not my choice. I'm a male, completely unable of giving birth, so what right do I have to decide whether a mother over in the next state can abort her child or not?
As a human being, I have the right (at least in my country), to refuse to donate my blood, organs, tissues, or life to any other being. I have the right to refuse this even if I not longer need them (am dead). I have the right to refuse them if the being in question is my wife, parent, best friend, and even my own child. I have the right to refuse them even if the need was caused by my own negligence (a car accident for example). I have the right to refuse even when that negligence is criminal (drunk driving). And most importantly, I have that right even when I intentionally cause the damage that creates the necessity in a purposeful criminal act (I.E. If I shot you).

I have yet to be given any convincing reason why pregnant women should be the only human beings to be denied these rights, therefore I support the right to have a pregnancy ended at any time and for any reason. I believe that if the fetus can be removed intact and viable with no more risk than the equivalent abortion procedure then that would be desireable, but if not then abortion rights should still be guaranteed.

Before birth: pro-choice.

After birth: pro-life.

So, if you can take care of the living, it's time to take care of the unborn. But don't claim to care for the unborn if you neglect the living.

Before birth: pro-choice.

After birth: pro-life.

So, if you can take care of the living, it's time to take care of the unborn. But don't claim to care for the unborn if you neglect the living.

Exactly... why are so many people SO desperate to bring yet more people into a world that is already failing in (even coming close to) taking care of the people it has?

in certain situations i belive that it is wrong, but in situations like if its going to kill the mother, i could see you doing it, or if the kids not going to live after its born, just do it, dont waste 9 months.

I'm curious: what does everyone here think of abortion? I, honestly, am not certain if I support the actual idea of abortion, or would I want my child aborted if it had to be done, but I am most definitely pro-choice, because it's not my choice. I'm a male, completely unable of giving birth, so what right do I have to decide whether a mother over in the next state can abort her child or not?
as a man, you can have a choice in abortion by not having sex with a woman who would be forced to choose abortion if she became pregnant.

and why should *I*, as a woman, have any say over whether or not a woman over in the next state can abort her child?

in the first trimester it should be utterly the womans choice, as the pregnancy progresses it should become more of a public/health decision.

Pro-choice, but I discourage abortion. If adoption was a viable option rather than a ticket to a screwed up life then I'd be fine with completely banning abortion in cases where noone's health is at risk and just have adoption.

So you would be fine with allowing the government to completely take over a woman's body (the very definition of slavery) for nine months?

Well these are my views on abortion

Your views are your views and they are your right, as long as you don't try to force them upon anyone else.

as a man, you can have a choice in abortion by not having sex with a woman who would be forced to choose abortion if she became pregnant.

or by not having sex with a woman who would simply CHOOSE to have an abortion. not all of us see it as a "forced" decision; personally, i would be glad to choose abortion if i ever became pregnant.

and why should *I*, as a woman, have any say over whether or not a woman over in the next state can abort her child?

exactly; no woman has the right to order another woman to abort or not abort, just as no man has the right to order a woman to abort or not abort. no human being, regardless of gender, has any claim to another human being's body. a man may choose to abort if he becomes pregnant, or he may choose to keep it and put it up for adoption, but he does not have the right to make that decision for any other human being.

in the first trimester it should be utterly the womans choice, as the pregnancy progresses it should become more of a public/health decision.
why? there is no other situation in which any human being may be forced to donate their body or tissues, so why should pregnancy be the single case in which the human body does not belong to the individual?

Moderately pro-choice. I like the "safe, legal, and rare" approach by moderate Democrats.