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I'm an advocate of Martin Luther's King's Day he was a very good man, and a trailblazer for future generations. What is your feeling on Martin Luther King and how was he a trailblazer do you think?

this is not elementary school i will not answer your question and i will beat you with a nerf bat if i get an F

Martin Luther King Jr. was a plagiarist.

Martin Luther King Jr. taught me kung fu.

Malcolm X was cooler than Martin Luther King.

Martin Luther King Jr. taught me kung fu.
My kung fu skills come from Malcolm X.

Malcolm X was cooler than Martin Luther King.

Yes, but that's because Muslims will always be cooler than Christians. :p

Yes, but that's because Muslims will always be cooler than Christians. :p
In the case of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr., yes. However the Nation of Islam makes me vomit violently.

In the case of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr., yes. However the Nation of Islam makes me vomit violently.

The Nation of Islam is not Muslim, it's Farrakhanism. It makes all Muslims want to vomit violently. Malcolm X (El-Hajj Malik al-Shabazz) was a true Muslim.

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My kung fu skills come from Malcolm X.
Malcolm X taught Martin Luther King kung-fu.
Martin Luther King taught me kung-fu.
I taught Malcolm X kung-fu.

The Nation of Islam is not Muslim, it's Farrakhanism. It makes all Muslims want to vomit violently.
I see. Well then, Osama bin Laden makes me want to vomit violently.

In the case of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr., yes. However the Nation of Islam makes me vomit violently.
I just vomit violently.

Malcolm X taught Martin Luther King
Malcolm X schooled Martin Luther King? Check.

However the Nation of Islam makes me vomit violently.
Could I get away with saying that the white man is the devil when I myself and a white man?

Malcolm X (El-Hajj Malik al-Shabazz) was a true Muslim.
Yes, Malcolm X severed his links to the evil Nation of Islam after he underwent his hajj.

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Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and the overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this ancient Holy Land, the House of Abraham, Muhammad, and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors. . . .

You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.

During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug) -- while praying to the same God -- with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions and in the deeds of the "white" Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan, and Ghana.

We were truly all the same (brothers) -- because their belief in one God had removed the "white" from their minds, the 'white' from their behavior, and the 'white' from their attitude.

I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man -- and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their "differences" in color.

Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and the overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this ancient Holy Land, the House of Abraham, Muhammad, and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors. . . .

You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.

During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug) -- while praying to the same God -- with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions and in the deeds of the "white" Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan, and Ghana.

We were truly all the same (brothers) -- because their belief in one God had removed the "white" from their minds, the 'white' from their behavior, and the 'white' from their attitude.

I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man -- and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their "differences" in color.

AMEN!

I see. Well then, Osama bin Laden makes me want to vomit violently.

He makes the vast majority of Muslims want to vomit violently, too. Compared to Muslims as a whole, bin Laden has very, very few followers.

AMEN!

And, yet, we have no national holiday for this man. :(

Because in the end, Malcolm X did almost nothing for the civil rights movement. He talked alot, but Martin Luther King had results.

Because in the end, Malcolm X did almost nothing for the civil rights movement. He talked alot, but Martin Luther King had results.
Wrong, MLK talked a lot while Malcolm X did the work. All the civil rights era legislation resulted from the conservatives' fear of ghetto uprisings caused by the uncompromising stance of Malcolm X and other people impatient with injustice. MLK today is glorified because he was more accomodating to the status quo, and the government wants us meek and submissive to the status quo.

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Wrong, MLK talked a lot while Malcolm X did the work. All the civil rights era legislation resulted from the conservatives' fear of ghetto uprisings caused by the uncompromising stance of Malcolm X and other people impatient with injustice.

I think this is a bit of a strech to say that all civil rights legislation came about because of riots in black neighborhoods. LBJ pushed very hard to get the laws passed. The laws weren't passed on day after the riots.

MLK today is glorified because he was more accomodating to the status quo, and the government wants us meek and submissive to the status quo.


To say that MLK was meek and submissive is just not accurate. It may be your take on the life of the man, but I doubt if any respectable, responsible historian would say that he was submissive to the status quo.

To say that MLK was meek and submissive is just not accurate. It may be your take on the life of the man, but I doubt if any respectable, responsible historian would say that he was submissive to the status quo.

I think both were great men who did great things. I see no reason to compare one as better than the other. They went about things differently, but both accomplished much.

We have an MLK day. I'd like to see a Malcolm X day.

I think both were great men who did great things. I see no reason to compare one as better than the other. They went about things differently, but both accomplished much.

We have an MLK day. I'd like to see a Malcolm X day.

I agree!

Plus Malcom X was Muslim. Which is always a plus!

Even though I technically am catholic, I consider myself looking for a religion i am tied to the Muslim faith due to the fact that much of my life has been spent in Muslim countries. Inlcuding the first Islamic Republic(you should know what country that is).

I think both were great men who did great things. I see no reason to compare one as better than the other. They went about things differently, but both accomplished much.

We have an MLK day. I'd like to see a Malcolm X day.

I agree the roles were very different and both men had an important impact on the change in American society and racial relationships. Denzel Washington deserved an Oscar for his role in the movie on Malcom and I loved the sound track.

Denzel Washington deserved an Oscar for his role in the movie on Malcom and I loved the sound track.

Denzel was amazing. Captured the role well and even looked staggeringly like the man. Note the pic in my desktop there ... that's the man himself, not Denzel ... but the two coule be twins they look so much alike.

I agree!

Plus Malcom X was Muslim. Which is always a plus!

Even though I technically am catholic, I consider myself looking for a religion i am tied to the Muslim faith due to the fact that much of my life has been spent in Muslim countries. Inlcuding the first Islamic Republic(you should know what country that is).

Ah ... Pakistan, eh? Always wanted to visit there.

Technically Catholic? Hrmmm ... Allah teaches that there is no compulsion in religion (Surah al Baqarah 256). If you know in your heart that you are not Catholic, then you are not and nobody has the authority, not even the Pope, to deem otherwise.

Your heart belongs to Allah, not a church, and as you seek, so shall you find.

Denzel was amazing. Captured the role well and even looked staggeringly like the man. Note the pic in my desktop there ... that's the man himself, not Denzel ... but the two coule be twins they look so much alike.
The other role that Denzel deserved an Oscar for is Hurricane. Some day in the future the critics will say the reason he did not get Oscars for these movies is an undercurrent of racism. He was brilliant in both movies and both movies were excellent and deservered Best Picture. To compare those two movies with Training Day is ludicruse.

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I agree!

Plus Malcom X was Muslim. Which is always a plus!

Even though I technically am catholic, I consider myself looking for a religion i am tied to the Muslim faith due to the fact that much of my life has been spent in Muslim countries. Inlcuding the first Islamic Republic(you should know what country that is).

That is one retarded reason to convert to Islam. What, because you hanged around some nice Farsi folk you think you should be a muslim?

That's like saying you should be a Mormon because you've met some nice mormons.

You should actually believe what the religion is all about. If you want to believe Mohammed was a true prophet go right ahead, though I would advise against that too.

Take this advice from a former muslim and native born Iranian.

That is one retarded reason to convert to Islam. What, because you hanged around some nice Farsi folk you think you should be a muslim?

That's like saying you should be a Mormon because you've met some nice mormons.

You should actually believe what the religion is all about. If you want to believe Mohammed was a true prophet go right ahead, though I would advise against that too.

Take this advice from a former muslim and native born Iranian.

I take you left Iran at some and don't plan on going back. Did you know any Baha'is over there?

That is one retarded reason to convert to Islam. What, because you hanged around some nice Farsi folk you think you should be a muslim?

That's like saying you should be a Mormon because you've met some nice mormons.

You should actually believe what the religion is all about. If you want to believe Mohammed was a true prophet go right ahead, though I would advise against that too.

Take this advice from a former muslim and native born Iranian.

Wow ... your advice is so helpful and well thought out. Nothing like calling someone's journey "retarded" to help them see your truth.

If you've decided to leave Islam, so be it. That is your choice, but do not deny others the choice of finding out for themselves.

That is one retarded reason to convert to Islam. What, because you hanged around some nice Farsi folk you think you should be a muslim?

That's like saying you should be a Mormon because you've met some nice mormons.

You should actually believe what the religion is all about. If you want to believe Mohammed was a true prophet go right ahead, though I would advise against that too.

Take this advice from a former muslim and native born Iranian.

1. I never said I'd CONVERT(at least not now...) to Islam, you retard. I'm just saying I'm not some freak who goes "Burn muslim biatches, BURN!"

And Pakistanis are NOT FARSI! They would be insulted by that.

Also, I've got other reasons to convert to Islam if a really want to. Such as it makes more sense to me than other religions.

But of course, you wouldn't care..

No. I didn't. It's sort of self segregation in Iran, though the government isn't..."very kind" to them. I think some Hezbollah thugs trashed some important building of theirs a while back.

Also, I've got other reasons to convert to Islam if a really want to. Such as it makes more sense to me than other religions.

But of course, you wouldn't care..

Never mind, LS. He's only 14 and it shows. He's only recently learned to tie his shoes ... I wouldn't worry too much about his opinion on the intricacies of spirituality.

Also, I've got other reasons to convert to Islam if a really want to. Such as it makes more sense to me than other religions.

But of course, you wouldn't care..

No, I wouldn't, because all religions are retarded. Sooner you learn that, the better you're off.

Pakistan the first Islamic Republic? Well, yes. 1956 they became a republic. Iran became one in 1979. (Though it's not a real republic)

And why would Pakistanis be offended?

No. I didn't. It's sort of self segregation in Iran, though the government isn't..."very kind" to them. I think some Hezbollah thugs trashed some important building of theirs a while back.

Yes, that is true. An important building was destroyed. Many people were put to death by the government in the 80's. Often on these threads people are rather impolite to each other. That kind of dialogue tends curtail any real conversation.

No, I wouldn't, because all religions are retarded. Sooner you learn that, the better you're off.

Pakistan the first Islamic Republic? Well, yes. 1956 they became a republic. Iran became one in 1979. (Though it's not a real republic)

And why would Pakistanis be offended?

1. That is your belief. It's a free country(unless you live in some despotic dictatorship, in which you're prolly dead by now).

2. Actually, Pakistan's offical title is Islamic Republic. It was the first nation with the title Islamic Republic. Iran is more of the "Uber-Islamic Republic".

3. Pakistanis have ALOT of national pride. A helluva lot. So much that it's started three wars against India.

Never mind, LS. He's only 14 and it shows. He's only recently learned to tie his shoes ... I wouldn't worry too much about his opinion on the intricacies of spirituality.

Oh yea, don't mind me, I'm just a 14 year old brat. How could I know about them "intricacies of spirtuality"?

How could I know that you need to believe in something, that you need to believe in God to make yourself feel comfortable because you don't like the idea of just ceasing to exist after your death. How could I possibly know that you who call yourself a Catholic "technically" would dump your old "beliefs" because you don't like the way some muslims have been treated? Because you think muslims are good people?

Wow ... your advice is so helpful and well thought out. Nothing like calling someone's journey "retarded" to help them see your truth.

If you've decided to leave Islam, so be it. That is your choice, but do not deny others the choice of finding out for themselves.

Truth? You want truth? The Koran was written after Mohammed's death by a bunch of his followers. The credibility isn't very ensured there, even less if you take into account Mohammed's own credibility as a prophet. But, you really can't know that for sure. I guess that's what "faith" is. :rolleyes:

How am I denying him anything? I'm advising against it, but if he wants to adopt a bunch of stupid and superflous beliefs, FINE

I was trying you save you from your own morality, but ok, become a Haji and what not if you want. Go to the old city of the old pagans turned anew by new bullshit and pay homage and show your new found submission.

Yes, that is true. An important building was destroyed. Many people were put to death by the government in the 80's. Often on these threads people are rather impolite to each other. That kind of dialogue tends curtail any real conversation.

MANY people were put to death in the 80s. It was a bloody decade.

One day the "Islamic Republic" will be overthrown though it won't be any time in the immediate future... :(

Oh yea, don't mind me, I'm just a 14 year old brat. How could I know about them "intricacies of spirtuality"?

How could I know that you need to believe in something, that you need to believe in God to make yourself feel comfortable because you don't like the idea of just ceasing to exist after your death. How could I possibly know that you who call yourself a Catholic "technically" would dump your old "beliefs" because you don't like the way some muslims have been treated? Because you think muslims are good people?



Truth? You want truth? The Koran was written after Mohammed's death by a bunch of his followers. The credibility isn't very ensured there, even less if you take into account Mohammed's own credibility as a prophet. But, you really can't know that for sure. I guess that's what "faith" is. :rolleyes:

How am I denying him anything? I'm advising against it, but if he wants to adopt a bunch of stupid and superflous beliefs, FINE

I was trying you save you from your own morality, but ok, become a Haji and what not if you want. Go to the old city of the old pagans turned anew by new bullshit and pay homage and show your new found submission.

I think what you are doing now is flaming and baiting and if you don't stop it I will report you.

I was born Catholic, but I don't like the Catholic Church one bit. I have freedom of Choice and Religion, bub. Theres nothing you can do about it(except do a Coup d'etat and take over the U.S.)..

Wrong, MLK talked a lot while Malcolm X did the work. All the civil rights era legislation resulted from the conservatives' fear of ghetto uprisings caused by the uncompromising stance of Malcolm X and other people impatient with injustice. MLK today is glorified because he was more accomodating to the status quo, and the government wants us meek and submissive to the status quo.

I disagree. The Civil Rights movement happened because of television.

You have to remember that in society black people were "Invisible". You never saw them in movies, or heard them on the radio. Honest most radio stations were forbidden from playing black artists on the air, segregation in America was just that strict.

TV news broke all that. Suddenly Americans saw black people and the extreme measure used to suppress them, even in a peaceful march led by a minister, Martin Luther King.

This was some dangerous shit too. The life of a Black man wasn't worth very much in America and it was worth a whole lot less in the South. It was worth less than nothing if that black man was a trouble maker. Martin Luther King knew he could be killed at anytime for the two decades he campaigned for equal rights.

This was at a time when Black children were brutally butchered for drinking from a "Whites Only" water fountain. Black people were killed for considerably less than suggesting they should have equal rights.

If I faced the same danger MLK did I would apply for political asylum in Canada, the UK, or Holland and I would get it. Not King, he stayed and campaigned in the South until he was assassinated.

X did cause a lot of notice, but he stayed up North.

I was born Catholic, but I don't like the Catholic Church one bit. I have freedom of Choice and Religion, bub. Theres nothing you can do about it(except do a Coup d'etat and take over the U.S.)..

Why does everyone think I'm trying to be a fascist? Stop being so condescending, I know all about "The First Ammendment." and I wouldn't dream of ever having your rights violated, but if you don't want to listen to what I'm saying, go right ahead and don't. It's your right. ;)

And if you don't like the Catholic Church why haven't you already left it?

I think what you are doing now is flaming and baiting and if you don't stop it I will report you.

Well, I didn't mean to. But in retrospect, I can see what you're saying. I just got a little angry from the shoe comment...

But what I said wasn't flaming and baiting, I just said it in a hostile way.

And if you don't like the Catholic Church why haven't you already left it?


Well, I baisically have. I don't go to church, I havent gotten Communion, I didn't finish CCD...

Why does everyone think I'm trying to be a fascist? Stop being so condescending, I know all about "The First Ammendment." and I wouldn't dream of ever having your rights violated, but if you don't want to listen to what I'm saying, go right ahead and don't. It's your right. ;)

And if you don't like the Catholic Church why haven't you already left it?



Well, I didn't mean to. But in retrospect, I can see what you're saying. I just got a little angry from the shoe comment...

But what I said wasn't flaming and baiting, I just said it in a hostile way.

Please don't it disrespects whatever religion you belong to. I'm not sure I believe you were ever Muslim.

I disagree. The Civil Rights movement happened because of television.

You have to remember that in society black people were "Invisible". You never saw them in movies, or heard them on the radio. Honest most radio stations were forbidden from playing black artists on the air, segregation in America was just that strict.

TV news broke all that. Suddenly Americans saw black people and the extreme measure used to suppress them, even in a peaceful march led by a minister, Martin Luther King.

This was some dangerous shit too. The life of a Black man wasn't worth very much in America and it was worth a whole lot less in the South. It was worth less than nothing if that black man was a trouble maker. Martin Luther King knew he could be killed at anytime for the two decades he campaigned for equal rights.

This was at a time when Black children were brutally butchered for drinking from a "Whites Only" water fountain. Black people were killed for considerably less than suggesting they should have equal rights.

If I faced the same danger MLK did I would apply for political asylum in Canada, the UK, or Holland and I would get it. Not King, he stayed and campaigned in the South until he was assassinated.

X did cause a lot of notice, but he stayed up North.

If you mean that the Civil Rights Movement had greater success because of TV I would agree with you. But I don't think it happened because of TV. It happened because many people were willing to put their lives on the line. Up North was no less racists than Down South just more "refined."

Well, I baisically have. I don't go to church, I havent gotten Communion, I didn't finish CCD...

I was raised Catholic also. I never could understand why god didn't love all the people enough to send a "Jesus" to them.

Please don't it disrespects whatever religion you belong to. I'm not sure I believe you were ever Muslim.

I don't belong to a religion.

But you say you don't believe I was a muslim? Ha, well my friend, I was a muslim in the sense that I read the Koran and believed the fundamental beliefs. Islam has some okay fundamentals at the core that is often disregarded by a number of its followers. But don't think I bear contempt for muslims in particular. I bear contempt for religion itself, I symphathize with the people fooled by it.

I never could understand why god didn't love all the people enough to send a "Jesus" to them.

If the Church did teach that they would basically be teaching pluralism.

But Pluralism isn't good for the church.

Oh yea, don't mind me, I'm just a 14 year old brat. How could I know about them "intricacies of spirtuality"?

At 14, I'd be surprised if you knew how to successfully wipe your own ass.

How could I possibly know that you who call yourself a Catholic "technically" would dump your old "beliefs" because you don't like the way some muslims have been treated? Because you think muslims are good people?

Barking up the wrong tree, kid. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a Catholic.


Truth? You want truth? The Koran was written after Mohammed's death by a bunch of his followers. The credibility isn't very ensured there, even less if you take into account Mohammed's own credibility as a prophet. But, you really can't know that for sure. I guess that's what "faith" is. :rolleyes:

Many of Newton's and Gallileo's works were not compiled and categorized until after their deaths. Does that make them any less credible?

Your childhood shows in every word you type. It's ok, though. You'll grow.

I don't belong to a religion.

But you say you don't believe I was a muslim? Ha, well my friend, I was a muslim in the sense that I read the Koran and believed the fundamental beliefs. Islam has some okay fundamentals at the core that is often disregarded by a number of its followers. But don't think I bear contempt for muslims in particular. I bear contempt for religion itself, I symphathize with the people fooled by it.



If the Church did teach that they would basically be teaching pluralism.

But Pluralism isn't good for the church.

I think you are confused; or, you are baiting. You say that you bear contempt for religion itself, then you say that the Church would be teaching pluralism. What is it? Were you raised in a Muslim family or not? Are you Christian? Are you a New Crusader? What's with you? What do you believe?

I was a muslim in the sense that I read the Koran and believed the fundamental beliefs.

If you did not declare shahadah of your own free will - which, according to Qur'an, you cannot do until you're 14 - then you were never Muslim.

Since you are now 14 and clearly are not Muslim, then you never were.

You may have been born in a Muslim nation and to a Muslim family, but it is apparent you know very little about Islam.

I think you are confused; or, you are baiting. You say that you bear contempt for religion itself, then you say that the Church would be teaching pluralism. What is it? Were you raised in a Muslim family or not? Are you Christian? Are you a New Crusader? What's with you? What do you believe?

I think it's you who's confused lol.

I was critisizing the Church. I said that if they did teach God sent different "Jesuses", like Mohammed and Buddha for example, they'd be teaching pluralism, that there are different paths to God.

But no Christian church would EVER teach anything that says you can go to heaven wihtout being a christian.

If you did not declare shahadah of your own free will - which, according to Qur'an, you cannot do until you're 14 - then you were never Muslim.

Since you are now 14 and clearly are not Muslim, then you never were.

You may have been born in a Muslim nation and to a Muslim family, but it is apparent you know very little about Islam.

Just like christian children aren't officially "Christian" until they do the confirmation crap?

And I obviously did recite the Shahadah by believing that Mohammed was a true prophet and there was only one God, "Allah".

But I suppose the age thing is enough for you to nit pick at me. After all, knowing the name of the recital of a relgion is more important than knowing the people of it, seeing what organized religion does to them is far less important than that.

I think it's you who's confused lol.

I was critisizing the Church. I said that if they did teach God sent different "Jesuses", like Mohammed and Buddha for example, they'd be teaching pluralism, that there are different paths to God.

But no Christian church would EVER teach anything that says you can go to heaven wihtout being a christian.

Perhaps, I am a bit hasty. But what do you believe?

Perhaps, I am a bit hasty. But what do you believe?

It's amazing how far off topic we are...but that's really my fault. :headbang:

Anyway, I believe God might exist. I hope he exists. But I'm not faithul. I don't belong to any religion. I don't have a thing called "morality"

I just have my virtues, which are just the most basic morals really, like not to harm other individuals.

Good night then. I hope you find what you are looking for.

At 14, I'd be surprised if you knew how to successfully wipe your own ass.
Really? Perhaps I shall mail you some proof.

Barking up the wrong tree, kid. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a Catholic.
Too bad that wasn't directed at you.

Many of Newton's and Gallileo's works were not compiled and categorized until after their deaths. Does that make them any less credible?

Your childhood shows in every word you type. It's ok, though. You'll grow.
Also too bad because their works were proven instead of being giant books of heresay.

Your conceit shows itself in every condescending word you type. It's ok. You're just using your conceit as a means to feel better than me, which you need to feel and show for some strange reason.

I want to contribute to this thread outside of that childish argument:

They renamed Martin Luther King Jr. Day here in Virginia to "Lee Jackson King" day.

Two confederate generals...

man, that seems almost spiteful

I want to contribute to this thread outside of that childish argument:

They renamed Martin Luther King Jr. Day here in Virginia to "Lee Jackson King" day.

Two confederate generals...

man, that seems almost spiteful
Hmm...
That's rather odd.

Really? Perhaps I shall mail you some proof.

tee hee ... gross.

Too bad that wasn't directed at you.

Well you quoted me, so I got confused.

Also too bad because their works were proven instead of being giant books of heresay.

Heresy is defined as what the current ruling power believes is aginst themselves. Qur'an has never been defined as heresy .... Newton's works have.

You seein' my point?

I said heresay. Not heresy