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NO, but I am not keen on the US Government..of either party. Kinda: nice people/place, shame about the guys in charge.

Agree with the above post, mostly.

I dont think they hate american people. I think they hate American Foreign Policy. But then again, it's the people who elects their representatives...so, it's kinda tricky question to answer. But rest assured that it's not the average american most of the world hates/dislikes. JMO.

I don't hate ALL Americans - just the government and the Republicans... :D

I personally do not hate America or American people, I hate what they stand for as a nation though.

I personally do not hate America or American people, I hate what they stand for as a nation though.

All of what they stand for?

"America" is a land mass ... a country. Hard to hate land.

I personally do not hate America or American people, I hate what they stand for as a nation though.

I'm pretty sure a lot of Americans stand for liberty, freedom and so on. You hate such ideals?

I'm pretty sure a lot of Americans stand for liberty, freedom and so on. You hate such ideals?

Not entirely true. Most Americans anymore really don't give a damn about it beyond just mouthing it.

Not entirely true. Most Americans anymore really don't give a damn about it beyond just mouthing it.

Really?

Not entirely true. Most Americans anymore really don't give a damn about it beyond just mouthing it.

Sure there are probably some americans that don't really care, but I think the majority of them do.

Naw, I don't hate fellow Americans. Even if there're some largely common ideas held I disagree with, everyone's an individual with an individual story.

Ira Glass has shown me the light!

All of what they stand for?

Most of us stand for the national anthem. Some of us sit for it, but those're mainly the elderly.

Not entirely true. Most Americans anymore really don't give a damn about it beyond just mouthing it.


So true, things have totally changed. Really the only thing Americans try for now are ways to get money easy and quick or how to get something for free or without having to do anything for it. I know our founding fathers would be appauled how Americans are today/

Not entirely true. Most Americans anymore really don't give a damn about it beyond just mouthing it.

Well the way their society works - representitive democracy supported by a fairly free-market capitalist economy - is one of the best systems for ensuring economic and social freedom and liberty.

Not entirely true. Most Americans anymore really don't give a damn about it beyond just mouthing it.

This gentleman would like to have a word with you: http://www.newsletters.newsweek.msnbc.com/id/4825949/

So true, things have totally changed. Really the only thing Americans try for now are ways to get money easy and quick or how to get something for free or without having to do anything for it. I know our founding fathers would be appauled how Americans are today/

So by depriving people of the right to make money easily, you strengthen freedom and liberty? Right.

I only hate right-wing Americans.

Of course not. Don't let your media tell you otherwise.

NO, but I am not keen on the US Government..of either party. Kinda: nice people/place, shame about the guys in charge.

What is that Dutch doing in your sig when you're from the UK ?

Sure there are probably some americans that don't really care, but I think the majority of them do.

Not really. Most these days are too concerned with themselves and with trying to gain money and deal with what has happened to care about such insubstantials as freedom. They are mostly concerned with trying to secure their own lives in a world they no longer view as certain. No matter what they say, the reality is in how they act.

Well the way their society works - representitive democracy supported by a fairly free-market capitalist economy - is one of the best systems for ensuring economic and social freedom and liberty.

Actually, that's already been proven false. The market is carefully watched and partially controlled. The reason is the free-market system produced monopolies and a form of tyranny very recently in American history. And the words "representative democracy" is a fancy way of saying republic. Call it what it is, not what some piece of propaganda tells you.

This gentleman would like to have a word with you: http://www.newsletters.newsweek.msnbc.com/id/4825949/

There are rare exceptions, but that is what they are.

So true, things have totally changed. Really the only thing Americans try for now are ways to get money easy and quick or how to get something for free or without having to do anything for it. I know our founding fathers would be appauled how Americans are today

Sorry, but I have to object to this. You're criticisizing either a very limited sampling of Americans, or a very generalized view of who Americans are. I haven't found any statistical data--anywhere--to support the idea that most Americans do as you suggest, or that they don't care about the ideals the country was founded upon. It's just wishful thinking to assume this.

While I don't object that some Americans are greedy or lazy, it's unfair and unhelpful to assert that upon the whole of America. America is still a powerful economy; if everyone were looking for a quick fix how would it keep ham on the table? You're attack is based on an overly-visible minority and a stereotyped outward perception, not real americans.

I love America.

[From London, England]

.. but their government is teh suck.

:)

I don't hate ALL Americans - just the government and the Republicans... :D
Exactly my words, I can't believe the Republican part still exists with most of their ridiculus ideals IMHO

whats this I hear? did someone call america a democracy..... ha ha...ha. when millions of people vote for a candidate in a state, then their representitive in the electoral college proclaims that state votes for the opposite of what it does, and this is legal.. aint democracy. america is ruled by the wealthy.

So true, things have totally changed. Really the only thing Americans try for now are ways to get money easy and quick or how to get something for free or without having to do anything for it. I know our founding fathers would be appauled how Americans are today/


Shut up you live in France. Nazi.

And the words "representative democracy" is a fancy way of saying republic. Call it what it is, not what some piece of propaganda tells you.

I don't get fed a lot of American propaganda where I live. And representative democracy is representative democracy. Society picks a leader who makes decisions.

Pure democracy would involve a referendum for every issue - impractical. Thus the idea of picking somebody to make decisions, whose choices will likely reflect the wishes of the majority.

well, there are a lot of stupid people in the USA, but so there is everywhere else...
what makes americans more hated than french or germans, or russians, or argentinians is that, for once, they believe they live in a country called "America" and name themselves "americans"...simply put, the USA is not "America" and people from the USA are not the only americans and therefore they cannot use it as people from France call themselves "french". The arrogance, the stupidity, the ignorance and the blatant disrespect for others...that´s what I dislike the most in the average american, who first learn how to show his attitude and only then how to have manners.

But I don´t hate americans. In fact I love quite a bunch of them, including my wife

whats this I hear? did someone call america a democracy..... ha ha...ha. when millions of people vote for a candidate in a state, then their representitive in the electoral college proclaims that state votes for the opposite of what it does, and this is legal.. aint democracy. america is ruled by the wealthy.

All i have to say to you is....Heil Hitler. Nazi.

I don't get fed a lot of American propaganda where I live. And representative democracy is representative democracy. Society picks a leader who makes decisions.

A republic involves elected leaders who make decisions. It is these leaders who used to decide the Senate and these leaders who still decide the President. How many decisions they make and how much power they have varies depending on the type of republic, but no matter how you slice it it's still a republic.

A "representative democracy" is just a fancy name for a republic to try to make it sound better.

Pure democracy would involve a referendum for every issue - impractical. Thus the idea of picking somebody to make decisions, whose choices will likely reflect the wishes of the majority.

Take a look at the NSUN for an example of democracy in action.

whats this I hear? did someone call america a democracy..... ha ha...ha. when millions of people vote for a candidate in a state, then their representitive in the electoral college proclaims that state votes for the opposite of what it does, and this is legal.. aint democracy. america is ruled by the wealthy.

This happened in recent history? A state certified that the people of the state voted for one candidate, and the representative to the Electoral College voted for someone else?

Hmm.. You know, when the state certifies an election, the party of that certified winner picks the representatives that will be sent to the Electoral College. It would be rather unusual, for instance, for electoral representatives picked by one candidate's party to vote for the other candidate.

And we're not a plutocracy. We're a republic.

All i have to say to you is....Heil Hitler. Nazi.

all i say to you is....um...shut up. yup, im the coolest guy around. Seriously, qualify your statement

A "representative democracy" is just a fancy name for a republic to try to make it sound better.


Fine. America is a republic. It's still a political system which champions majority opinion, in a managable way. I wasn't trying to make it sound fancy or anything. Representitive democracy is a synonym of republic then. So what.

I'm just afraid of americans.

I feel that americ is ruled by television. Constant ads telling you that it will make you happy if you just keep buying stuff.
And then school doesn't serve the people, it serves the system. Parents just want to get the kids out of their hair, so they send them to school, then when they get home, they watch TV all day and are bombarded by Ads telling you to buy stuff and then they grow up to be the biggest consumers in the world, and that makes the company CEOs rich and therefore happy cuz they are greedy to no end.

well, there are a lot of stupid people in the USA, but so there is everywhere else...
what makes americans more hated than french or germans, or russians, or argentinians is that, for once, they believe they live in a country called "America" and name themselves "americans"...simply put, the USA is not "America" and people from the USA are not the only americans and therefore they cannot use it as people from France call themselves "french". The arrogance, the stupidity, the ignorance and the blatant disrespect for others...that´s what I dislike the most in the average american, who first learn how to show his attitude and only then how to have manners.

Actually the reason that the term is that the country is called The United States of America same way Canadians are called Canadians because their country is the Dominion(sp) of Canada. Not to mention what else should we call ourselves United Statsians, what of any of the other nation with the United States of in front of their nations name? Not to mention it sounds real stupid.

Exactly my words, I can't believe the Republican part still exists with most of their ridiculus ideals IMHO

Just what ridiculous ideals might those be, Tink?

Fine. America is a republic. It's still a political system which champions majority opinion, in a managable way. I wasn't trying to make it sound fancy or anything. Representitive democracy is a synonym of republic then. So what.

Just one of my pet peeves. You have no idea how many idiots I have to argue with in my own nation about whether or not it is a republic or a representative democracy and how many try to make the case for them being different in spite of the evidence.

I'm just afraid of americans.

I feel that americ is ruled by television. Constant ads telling you that it will make you happy if you just keep buying stuff.
And then school doesn't serve the people, it serves the system. Parents just want to get the kids out of their hair, so they send them to school, then when they get home, they watch TV all day and are bombarded by Ads telling you to buy stuff and then they grow up to be the biggest consumers in the world, and that makes the company CEOs rich and therefore happy cuz they are greedy to no end.

And you believe this? If we were ruled by television, we all would have voted for John Kerry (everyone that watched any other channel than Fox). Since Fox doesn't have the majority of viewers, one would imagine that if television were ruling our lives, it would have been different.

People DO turn the TV off here and go outside. And we're not ALL greedy.

Let's think of a more cogent argument, shall we? And please, the next time you go to school, take some spelling lessons.

Fine. America is a republic. It's still a political system which champions majority opinion, in a managable way. I wasn't trying to make it sound fancy or anything. Representitive democracy is a synonym of republic then. So what.

They are not synonyms.

In a republic, the people vote for men who then vote for President, or enact laws, or appoint judges. The President appoints Cabinet members who hire people to run the bureaucracy. It's not just majority opinion.

No one, for instance, can hold a Senator to his election promises. Nor does he always vote with his Party. Nor will he listen to you if you call him on the phone, unless he happens to agree with you. He can vote to shaft you.

The judges are not accountable to you. Neither is the President. You may not recall the President, nor may you unseat a Federal judge.

They may be impeached by Congress - but that's up to them, not you.

I feel that americ is ruled by television. Constant ads telling you that it will make you happy if you just keep buying stuff.
And then school doesn't serve the people, it serves the system. Parents just want to get the kids out of their hair, so they send them to school, then when they get home, they watch TV all day and are bombarded by Ads telling you to buy stuff and then they grow up to be the biggest consumers in the world, and that makes the company CEOs rich and therefore happy cuz they are greedy to no end.

Yes, that is very much the image portrayed of America, even through American-based television and such.

They are not synonyms.

In a republic, the people vote for men who then vote for President, or enact laws, or appoint judges. The President appoints Cabinet members who hire people to run the bureaucracy. It's not just majority opinion.

No one, for instance, can hold a Senator to his election promises. Nor does he always vote with his Party. Nor will he listen to you if you call him on the phone, unless he happens to agree with you. He can vote to shaft you.

The judges are not accountable to you. Neither is the President. You may not recall the President, nor may you unseat a Federal judge.

They may be impeached by Congress - but that's up to them, not you.

But in a representative democracy people elect representatives like presidents or judges - how is this different from what you have just described as a republic?

But in a representative democracy people elect representatives like presidents or judges - how is this different from what you have just described as a republic?

The representatives are directly accountable to the people. They can be immediately recalled by the people.

I don't hate America, or the American people. Dislike maybe, but not hate, it's too strong a word. I'd say I don't like the way the American attitude towards the rest of the world is heading. America really is alienating a lot of the rest of the world, and I don't think it realises that this is happening. Someone (I'm looking at you, Mr. Bush), needs to rectify this.

I personally do not hate America or American people, I hate what they stand for as a nation though.
And what might that be, pray tell???

There are rare exceptions, but that is what they are.

My point was that he was an exception to your "rule". But he's not rare.
IMHO, you're generalizing the way you might saying that "All English people have poor teeth"... I personally hate stereotypes.

I'm just afraid of americans.

I feel that americ is ruled by television. Constant ads telling you that it will make you happy if you just keep buying stuff.
And then school doesn't serve the people, it serves the system. Parents just want to get the kids out of their hair, so they send them to school, then when they get home, they watch TV all day and are bombarded by Ads telling you to buy stuff and then they grow up to be the biggest consumers in the world, and that makes the company CEOs rich and therefore happy cuz they are greedy to no end.
You have a very, very distorted view of what America is really like. I cordially invite you to visit, stay awhile, and get to know the people, not just the warpped image the media presents to the world.

All you Freaks who answered yes here have a real problem!! Were talking nearly 300,000,000 peolple who are mostly good hardworking folks. I guess it's tuff at the top.

No, I do not hate America or Americans but they should really think about the future. You see when you vote for a president you vote also for the most powerfull indevidual in the world, next time try to vote for a man or woman who has an IQ above avarage. Someone like JFK, a president that did not want to drag his people into war.

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No, I do not hate America or Americans but they should really think about the future. You see when you vote for a president you vote also for the most powerfull indevidual in the world, next time try to vote for a man or woman who has an IQ above avarage. Someone like JFK, a president that did not want to drag his people into war.

Bay of pigs
vietnam

What version of history did you learn?

I personally love america and don't mind bush... he's much better than the alternative. the main thing is, although bush could be better, he's a bit of a pandering weasel who's always trying to help those who are trying to destroy him(Kennedy, for example, that fat lying pig) and the illegal aliens, if he really wants to help this country, then maybe he should close the mexico borders then i'll say that maybe he realy is as conservative as he says he is. But i do love america and would rather have bush elected president for every election than have Kerry or ..... clinton elected ever... especially clinton, she really gives me the creeps...

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No, not really. It's a bit like China.

I have some Chinese friends and some American friends. Mostly people who work not in their own country or have contact with foreigners and are keen on meeting foreigners.

And I met some Americans and Chinese in the Internet (like Liberty Forum) and they are fanatics that would fit better into Iran or North Korea.

And well the government - every people has the government it deserves.

I love America, they've given us Cornflakes, MacDonald's, a moon landing, a Free Trade Agreement (almost) but I'm not to keen on their presidents of late, not since George Bush Sr anyway. His son (Bush Jr) isn't fit to lick his daddy's bootstraps IMHO. Clinton was OK, but I would have rather seen Colin Powel president than Bush Jr.

One thing that scares me about America is how they don't seem to care that they are stirring the Muslim world against us. They may be insulated to a degree, but we are not. Now I know something had to be done, but I don't think Iraq was the answer. No WMDs, no Osama, no biological weapons and now Iraq is, by America's own admission, now a breeding ground for terrorists.

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whats this I hear? did someone call america a democracy..... ha ha...ha. when millions of people vote for a candidate in a state, then their representitive in the electoral college proclaims that state votes for the opposite of what it does, and this is legal.. aint democracy. america is ruled by the wealthy.
*Sigh* The electoral college in each state is selected by each party. Whichever party wins the popular election in that state sends its slate of electors to Washington DC to cast their ballots for President. While there have been cases of "faithless" electors, those electors have NEVER made a difference in the outcome of a Presidential election. The political parties have a vested interest in choosing electors for their slate that will vote for their candidate. Name me one state whose entire slate of electors selected the opposite party's candidate for President.

Do I hate America? nope, makes no sense to hate dirt and rocks.

Do I hate the American people? nope, the Americans I know are nice people, and I refuse to "hate" a nation full of people who I don't know, and who have never done anything to hurt me.

Do I hate the "we were born American, so won the lottery of life" attitudes of a very small number of Americans? yes, and thats the sort of arrogance that gets all Americans tarred with the same brush, even though the vast majority don't think that way, or deserve the abuse they cop.

Do I hate the the American government? depends. I'm not too happy with their foreign policies, the way they've handled Iraq, but there's not much point wasting energy on "hating" a bunch of politicians I can't vote against.

Do I hate American culture? not really, don't really have a positive or negative comment about that. It just does'nt affect me much.

Pretty egocentric question to ask in't it?

Humans in general are fairly stupid. Americans are not an exception. However, from what I've seen, the American system is one of the most effective ways of rewarding skill and ability in the world while also haveing enough neccessary regulations to prevent a death-spiral. I've been to more socialized countries, but they only made me apreciate liveing in the US that much more.

Our foreign polocy chafes with a lot of the world because we are looking out for our best interests while they are trying to look out for theirs. These conflicts of interest are inevitable, even between allies. This is not to say we should ignore the rest of the world, but rather, we should listen to them so far as to enhance our own interests.

I am not currently 100% happy with Dubbya, though I still preffer him over Kerry(though, to his credit, Kerry was sensible enough not to drag out the ohio election). Bush have become to liberal on domestic issues for my likeing, especialy relateing to spending and illegal aliens.

Hate the USA with all my guts. :mad:

Where's a nuke bomb when I need one. :D

Any nuclear device with a yield enough to destroy the entire US would kill pretty much everyone else with Fallout. Better to stick to bioweapons ...

Pretty egocentric question to ask in't it?

Sadly 24 percent said yes, seems to validate the question to me.

And how many of those are 13 year old American city kids sitting up in their room, stirring shit because they're too pathetic to have anything else to do at 3:30 in the morning ... like I dunno ... drink themselves into a stupor and watch Indiana Jones ...

Hate the USA with all my guts. :mad:

Where's a nuke bomb when I need one. :D


Atleast theres one thing great about being an American, I dont have to wake up and look at your nasty ass.

"I dont have to wake up and look at your nasty ass."

That'd kinda be an akward position to sleep in aye? Maybe you're the one drinking yourself into a stupor and watching Indiana Jones.

Keep it civil, people.

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I acctualy find it funny that people hate the US. Who would you preffer to be the sole super-power? The USSR? China? Germany? France?

"America" is a land mass ... a country. Hard to hate land.
Ditto. I hate some Americans.. But quite like the land and mountains etc

Yeh ... You know what? I think we should all drink ourselves into our respective stupors and watch Indiana Jones now.

I dont know about HATE. Dislike? List of things I dont like about america (and I am so trying not to offend everyone):

* The way someone changed how to spell many words. eg. mum/mom. America was 'created' after the english language was. Why change it and show disrespect?
* "The land of opportunity". It makes every other country sound like an un-opportunistic place to live.
* The way over 60% of shows shown here, in Australia, are american.
* The way Australia is portrayed in American shows such as 'The Simpsons' (such a great show).
* The accent is so much better than ours. We all sound uneducated.
* The way that almost every english-speaking song is sung in an american accent. Try sing it in an australian accent. NOT reccommended for in public.

And a bunch of other stuff I cant think of.

Note how all this stuff is trivial? I dont really have a strong opinion on this question.

I acctualy find it funny that people hate the US. Who would you preffer to be the sole super-power? The USSR? China? Germany? France?

Australia? Canada? Ireland? If a country WAS a super power, it would, by default, make it less corrupt and third-worldish. America isnt THAT great.

Ya'll need to relaxe. Give it twenty years, some general will attempt a coup d'etats (or however the balls you spell it), and America will devolve into a second-third world country. Then ya'll can bitch about how evil China is. Not me ...

People will hate americans and miss out on the better part of life. Hating to hate is pure ignorance, especially when most of the people hating for the large part have never experienced or dealt with americans as a whole. We will go on living our lives, making our livings, providing for our families, sitting in our lazyboy recliners and relaxing. "The American Dream" is what everyone wants for the most part. If you have to sit around burning american flags an saying f*** america and all that, it kind of makes me wonder what kind of a place you live in that makes you think and act that way. Is it a fad, is it that horrible where you live, What's the point? Yapping about corruption and all sorts of crap of that nature is stupid, because all you have to do is look in your own backyard and it'll be there staring back at you. Nothing is perfect, ofcourse, but it is still great to live here. So stop BSing about trivial nonsense. I'll go back to watching Indiana Jones now...Where's my Mcdonalds?

I dont know about HATE. Dislike? List of things I dont like about america (and I am so trying not to offend everyone):


* The way someone changed how to spell many words. eg. mum/mom. America was 'created' after the english language was. Why change it and show disrespect?

Linguistic drift is a natural occurance in all language. Should the Quebecois ask the Parisians why they changed French? Heck, even Anzacs have some of their own words! I can honestly say that most any American would balk at: avro, daks, nong, shonky or wonge. To say nothing of cackhanded or yonks. :)

* "The land of opportunity". It makes every other country sound like an un-opportunistic place to live.

It's hardly an official motto, but the US *has* been the land of opportunity for millions of immigrants and native sons and daughters. Few emigrate FROM the US, including people whom said they'd go if Bush were re-elected. (Note: Shania Twain lives in Switzerland, but is from Canada.)

* The way over 60% of shows shown here, in Australia, are american.

That's Australia and also the BBC's fault. Especially for cancelling Dr. Who and Red Dwarf! All I see now on BBC America is home improvement crap. I can see that anywhere!!! :(

* The way Australia is portrayed in American shows such as 'The Simpsons' (such a great show).
Oh, c'mon. It's the SIMPSONS! They also didn't portray Brazil, Japan or just about anywhere else seriously, including the US.

* The accent is so much better than ours. We all sound uneducated.

Not true -- I've met many people try to speak Australian, and not just because of the Fosters (It's Canadian for beer! (well, at least here in the US)) commericals. Lots of Americans really like Australian culture or whatever you want to call it. Cf, Outback Steakhouse.

* The way that almost every english-speaking song is sung in an american accent. Try sing it in an australian accent. NOT recommended for in public.

But we like Kylie! ;)

And a bunch of other stuff I cant think of.

It sounds more like a rivalry than a hatred or dislike...

I'm kinda bummed by the fact that so many people don't like the US. I mean everyone isn't gonna have a great government, and nobody's society is perfect. I think the US has done pretty well for itself when you look at other countries. I'm just glad I live here 'cause its alot worse elsewhere

I do not hate America, I hate the Bush administration and the type of American it represents. The American who thinks that because they are democratic, everyone else should be, that because they are god fearing christians, everyone else should be, that because family values are traditional, they are good. etc. etc.
When someone says "you are either with us or you are against us" in any form of words they lose my respect completely. If you have to threaten to get support, which is what this statement was, a threat, then maybe your cause is not as popular as you would like it to be.