NationStates Jolt Archive


do you hate america?

Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:01
Yes
No
Maybe
wtf
Drunk commies
14-01-2005, 18:02
No, and you shouldn't either since we'll own you soon enough.
Gaeltach
14-01-2005, 18:03
*sigh*

I thought we weren't doing these kinds of threads anymore.
RevertRomance
14-01-2005, 18:04
Are you from the Middle East (Shitty East) than i hope you have fun shouting in Arabic because 2500 Thermonuclear Warheads are coming your way :sniper:
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:06
really i am an american :rolleyes:
MuhOre
14-01-2005, 18:06
Are you from the Middle East (Shitty East) than i hope you have fun shouting in Arabic because 2500 Thermonuclear Warheads are coming your way


Wouldn't that destroy the earth...? O_O
John Browning
14-01-2005, 18:07
IIRC, this is some high school girl in Oregon, posting to this forum while she's in a class she's not paying any attention to.
Andaluciae
14-01-2005, 18:08
Wouldn't that destroy the earth...? O_O
If they were targeted at points all across the world it might kill off signifigant portions of humanity, but, we've got the middle east targeted, so the radiation levels, while rising worldwide, wouldn't kill of *all* of humanity.
Hughski
14-01-2005, 18:08
Wouldn't that destroy the earth...? O_O

Nah...might give the Middle East a few problems though!
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:08
leave me alone. i am in a computer class to make up credits called plato but it doesnt matter if i do the program or not.
FreeSweden
14-01-2005, 18:09
No, and you shouldn't either since we'll own you soon enough.
No, but I may after some more of this. :D
Ulrichland
14-01-2005, 18:10
No. I mean, why should I?
John Browning
14-01-2005, 18:12
leave me alone. i am in a computer class to make up credits called plato but it doesnt matter if i do the program or not.

Computer skills are useful. Regardless of whether or not it's interesting, or whether or not you get a good grade, it's probably of some use.
Ishi-i
14-01-2005, 18:14
My feeling on this is...it's impossible to hate an entire nation without having met and gotten to know everyone from that particular country. It seems that those who hate America now (well, there's been a good amount of hatred for a while, I'm just commenting on the current situation.) hate us because of GW Bush. They see him and they look at the "red states" and assume that everyone there is bigoted and stupid. Obviously that is not the case. How can an entire country be that way and still be so powerful? It doesn't make sense. Oh, and I just love (sarcasm) how all Americans praise the torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib. I read that one the other day in a chat room. I'm sure the person who said it was just trying to stir up the occupants of the room, but still, it's attitudes like that that perpetuate the hatred toward Americans.
Andaluciae
14-01-2005, 18:14
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Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:14
it is not computer skills. i can type faster than most the people in my class. the class is for making up credits like math or something. i already have mine made up. so i spend my time on the computer
John Browning
14-01-2005, 18:16
it is not computer skills. i can type faster than most the people in my class. the class is for making up credits like math or something. i already have mine made up. so i spend my time on the computer

well, can you program in Java yet? Everything you need to start and learn is free on the net.
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:17
program in java? i have programmed computers before. but i aculally havent heard of that.
Molnervia
14-01-2005, 18:17
While I don't hate this country specifically, I do hate a large portion of our population. What I hate in them is their willingness to just give away whole aspects of their lives. Wether it be to the government, in the form of curtailed rights under the, so called, patriot act, or to a church, and so on. What ever happened to the good stereotypes of this country? That Americans were "free thinkers" and such.

When is this country, as a whole, going to pull its head out?
Discorded chaos
14-01-2005, 18:18
ok this is stupid! I mean look at you people! fighting over what? It sould like one of you stepped on the others foot and now you want to nuke him?! man, my nation is a country with weapons, but I mean really why risk the enviornment? I i was the one firing the nukes, I would redirct them or something. If you want to prove your the best, take the hard why! go over there with your forces and inraticate them! like this- :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang: and not :fluffle: ;) :D or :rolleyes: and be all like :upyours:
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:18
ok this is stupid! I mean look at you people! fighting over what? It sould like one of you stepped on the others foot and now you want to nuke him?! man, my nation is a country with weapons, but I mean really why risk the enviornment? I i was the one firing the nukes, I would redirct them or something. If you want to prove your the best, take the hard why! go over there with your forces and inraticate them! like this- :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang: and not :fluffle: ;) :D or :rolleyes: and be all like :upyours:
wtf
Gaeltach
14-01-2005, 18:19
program in java? i have programmed computers before. but i aculally havent heard of that.
You obviously haven't done much programming...or much with computers besides end-user stuff...if you've never head of that.
Mattvia
14-01-2005, 18:19
This is easy, YES.
Dogburg
14-01-2005, 18:19
program in java? i have programmed computers before. but i aculally havent heard of that.

You sound like quite the "1337 H4X0R", having not heard of Java. :D

America kicks ass. I like Americans in general. I like the ideas which America was founded on (life, liberty, property and all that). I'm British.
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:20
i have mostly programmend hard drives.
Dogburg
14-01-2005, 18:24
i have mostly programmend hard drives.

You've built entire OS's from scratch? And you don't know what Java is?
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:25
yes or maybe i have but forgot about it. i dont remember alot of things until i acutally do them.
John Browning
14-01-2005, 18:27
program in java? i have programmed computers before. but i aculally havent heard of that.

Java is a language that's fairly popular. http://www.java.sun.com
Mekonia
14-01-2005, 18:27
I never like it when people say this but here goes...

THIS HAS BEEN ASKED AGAIN AND AGAIN

Yes I think the USA is a great country. The majority of its people are very nice and very friendly. This can be said about most countries. Few hate americans over the war in Iraq etc and they are usually 15 year old goths..I have no problem if you are an informed 15 yr old goth but if your not..gurrr.

People dislike the american government. I know both Clinton and Bush have advocated the if you don't like the government then you don't like the people policy as they government are seen to be a reflection of the peoples political opinions. Yet surprise surprise Bush only won by 52% This does not reflect the entires country choice. If people genuinely support the Bush gov and agree with his policy not because they are Republican and must support the party or they have family ties.

So please if you are an American,you must come to terms that there are actually people out there who don't like you, but there are 10 times more you do...so get over it
Twuntland
14-01-2005, 18:27
I'm a big fan of Bruce Springsteen if that's any help to this discussion?
Oh, and Dogburg, if you're really British, please use the word "arse" instead of the Americanism "ass".

Cheers mate (pedantic bit over).
Latta
14-01-2005, 18:27
I don't hate the U.S.A. I've met people from that country, even found out I have an american cousin, and she was pretty nice and the other people I've met were pretty nice. And, my dad was doing geneology and he found out that my family use to own plantations in the southern United States, (sorry to any blacks that might have had their ancestors owned by my family), so Americans aren't all bad, it's like any other country, I just ignore the stupid ignorant people that think they are all powerfull, like that guy that made the comment that the U.S. would own the countries one day, and I just pay attention to the nice people in the country.
Dogburg
14-01-2005, 18:28
yes or maybe i have but forgot about it. i dont remember alot of things until i acutally do them.

Building a whole operating system on a hard drive isn't the sort of thing you forget. Do you suffer from amnesia?
Molnervia
14-01-2005, 18:28
Wow. can anyone else smell a.... *sniff* TANGENT ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

;)
Fire-axis
14-01-2005, 18:29
god..i live in america and i hate the goddamn place!

im moving to austalia or london
Napoleon Sanguinaire
14-01-2005, 18:29
You've built entire OS's from scratch? And you don't know what Java is?

This doesn't make any sense, a 12years old kid who uses the internet ervery now and then knows what java is. At least i used to. This guy must be taking MSoffice/typing classes :P
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:30
Building a whole operating system on a hard drive isn't the sort of thing you forget. Do you suffer from amnesia?

no it kinda of i do them and i know what to do. then you talk to me about it and i am lost. i havent prgrammed one in a couple of months
Drunk commies
14-01-2005, 18:30
god..i live in america and i hate the goddamn place!

im moving to austalia or london
Don't let the door hit you on the ass.
Lilsminions
14-01-2005, 18:32
this is crazy half of us are tlaking about the topic and half of us is talking about computers
Hakartopia
14-01-2005, 18:33
Off course not, why should I?
New Granada
14-01-2005, 18:33
I do very much whenever i come back from somewhere better,

but the hatred fades as the memory does with time, and i move back to a grumpy dislike and longing to travel again.

Then I do, and the cycle begins anew.
Molnervia
14-01-2005, 18:35
Don't let the door hit you on the ass.


Ooooooo, creativity? Not so much...
Dogburg
14-01-2005, 18:35
no it kinda of i do them and i know what to do. then you talk to me about it and i am lost. i havent prgrammed one in a couple of months

So the casual pumping out of a product which takes teams of designers a couple of years to complete is a monthly affair for you?

"Yeah I built another OS yesterday, was a breeze"
Drunk commies
14-01-2005, 18:37
Ooooooo, creativity? Not so much...
Just sincerity.
Molnervia
14-01-2005, 18:37
So the casual pumping out of a product which takes teams of designers a couple of years to complete is a monthly affair for you?

"Yeah I built another OS yesterday, was a breeze"


Dude. Knock it off already, this stopped being funny before it started, and now it's just lame.
The Genetic Impaired
14-01-2005, 18:42
No, don't hate America.
But I will if they asked me very nicely.

There must be more hugging in this world :fluffle:
Make tea, not war!
Molnervia
14-01-2005, 18:43
No, don't hate America.
But I will if they asked me very nicely.

There must be more hugging in this world :fluffle:
Make tea, not war!

I really like that idea. Especially if it's Dragon Well tea, and some steamed Siu Mai
Napoleon Sanguinaire
14-01-2005, 18:50
The whole ideology behind the independance of an American nation was a great idea when it first came out (Same as Quebec's separation) although the facts are that liberty and property have been higly crushed under capitalism, multinational corporations, pro-war movements and the catholic church over the years. But the masses don't want to look anywhere else than the "right" way that america has been teached to follow al their life just as much as they learnt to beleive in mythology (Jebus for the kids out there). Now that they are -mostly- inconsciously forced to stay under their political and social vivions of a perfect nation due to all the brainwash sessions they occured to have received ever since they were born, they cannot evolve, push the limits to come to at least some center democracy where people woudn't be found on the streets unemployed and where they could receive free medical attention. Two simple aspects of property that, im my opinion, should be hardly taked in consideration by the american population even if it does involve puhing up the taxes by a few % . But no, the population is soo intellectualy corrupted that no american moment has been able to break through the silence and actually get some votes to change the situation. America is corrupted by money and religion. That is mostly all I hate about that country. Besides the pop-rap american culture.... I am a proud socialist but i can still understand that america will not change its ideologies tomorrow, in fact I don't want them to be socialist, just to actually care a bit about the people (in and outside of their country) ..in the meantime they kep on destroying nations and cultures to make their economy better. Discusting.

Jean-Pascal Lavoie
PS (I am no communist or fat retarded lover, michael moore by example)
Chiantissini
14-01-2005, 18:53
First off:
<-Is american
<-Lives in Maryland (A BLUE state thank you very much)
<-Thinks Ol Dubya should burn in hell... 3 years ago.
<-Has been and loves Paris, France.

Do I hate America? No. I hate the bigotry and the ability to Sue anyone at anytime without any sort of reaosn and get away with it. I hate that we have come to the point that we have: George Orwell has got to be rolling in his grave chanting, "I told ya so..."

I hate the scare tactics that were being used in the last election (lets just raise the terror alert level RIGHT before the election, then drop it so the public THINKS we're doing a good job) I hate the racial, ethnic, and moral profiling our current administration is doing. I hate how America thinks we can take over anyone at anytime at the drop of a hat. We as Americans have become lazy and too dependant on our government, and when that doesn't work, we find ways to successfully screw the system over.

If I could, I'd be on the next plane to Switzerland. They seem to be hte only country who has done everything right so far... stayed neutral, formed an international community of care workers, and hosted many of the most importaint meetings in the world.

But those are my feelings, the view of one person.
Dogburg
14-01-2005, 18:55
The whole ideology behind the independance of an American nation was a great idea when it first came out (Same as Quebec's separation) although the facts are that liberty and property have been higly crushed under capitalism, multinational corporations...

Nope. Freedom of property is championed by capitalism, as is economic and social liberty. Property and Liberty gets crushed when a socialist government steals from its citizens in the interests of "social justice".

..in the meantime they kep on destroying nations and cultures to make their economy better. Discusting.

I assume you're referring to Iraq and Afghanistan. The war in Iraq is heniously wasteful. Pouring billions of dollars into it every day doesn't help the economy as far as I can see.
Dogburg
14-01-2005, 18:58
Do I hate America? No. I hate the bigotry and the ability to Sue anyone at anytime without any sort of reaosn and get away with it. I hate that we have come to the point that we have: George Orwell has got to be rolling in his grave chanting, "I told ya so..."

Which Orwell book are you referring to? Works like 1984 and Animal Farm were satire against Stalin's Russia. I agree that the ridiculous "compensation culture" is going way too far, but how did Orwell tell us about that? He was warning us against socialist authoritarianism. In the fictional Britain of 1984, you couldn't sue anyone.
John Browning
14-01-2005, 19:09
Here's some Orwell for you:

"One of the peculiar phenomena of our time is the renegade Liberal. Over and above the familiar Marxist claim that 'bourgeois liberty' is an illusion, there is now a widespread tendency to argue that one can only defend democracy by totalitarian methods. If one loves democracy, the argument runs, one must crush its enemies by no matter what means. And who are its enemies? It always appears that they are not only those who attack it openly and consciously, but those who 'objectively' endanger it by spreading mistaken doctrines. In other words, defending democracy involves destroying all independence of thought. This argument was used, for instance, to justify the Russian purges. The most ardent Russophile hardly believed that all of the victims were guilty of all the things they were accused of. but by holding heretical opinions they 'objectively' harmed the régime, and therefore it was quite right not only to massacre them but to discredit them by false accusations. The same argument was used to justify the quite conscious lying that went on in the leftwing press about the Trotskyists and other Republican minorities in the Spanish civil war. And it was used again as a reason for yelping against habeas corpus when Mosley was released in 1943.

These people don't see that if you encourage totalitarian methods, the time may come when they will be used against you instead of for you. Make a habit of imprisoning Fascists without trial, and perhaps the process won't stop at Fascists. "
Molnervia
14-01-2005, 19:15
Nope. Freedom of property is championed by capitalism, as is economic and social liberty. Property and Liberty gets crushed when a socialist government steals from its citizens in the interests of "social justice".

Well... To a point that'strue, but only to the point of it being THEIR property, and THEIR liberty. When any regulation, law suit, or other circumstance requires them to actually be reponsible for their misdeeds, however, they run for cover.

As for your wildly inaccurate interperetation of socialism, I can only assume you read too much Tom Clancy.

I assume you're referring to Iraq and Afghanistan. The war in Iraq is heniously wasteful. Pouring billions of dollars into it every day doesn't help the economy as far as I can see.

But, the hoped for oil dividends, and territorial influence are what they're really after. Besides, Bush and his rich corporate buddies aren't the ones footing the bill, it's Joe Middle and Low Income Taxpayer who is. Corporations are the root of all the problems we have in this country, they need to be abolished, and their gleaming glass towers burned to the ground.
John Browning
14-01-2005, 19:21
The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …

-- George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism, 1945
Molnervia
14-01-2005, 19:35
"Compassion is what makes our lives meaningful. It is the source of all lasting happiness and joy. And it is the foundation of a good heart, the heart of one who acts out of a desire to help others. Through kindness, through affection, through honesty, through truth and justice toward all others we ensure our own benefit. This is not a matter for complicated theorizing. It is a matter of common sense. There is no denying that consideration of others is worthwhile. There is no denying that our happiness is inextricably bound up with the happiness of others. There is no denying that if society suffers we ourselves suffer. Nor is there any denying that the more our heart and minds are afflicted with ill-will, the more miserable we become. Thus we can reject everything else: religion, ideology, all received wisdom. But we cannot escape the necessity of love and compassion."

--His Holiness the Dalai Lama
from Ethics for the New Millennium