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First off, this is a JOKE I heard of TV and it is not ment as a flame, or to start a religous debate, and I think even christians will find it funny. The joke goes:

"If we are all God's children, then whats so special about Jesus!?!?!"

Oh yea, Carr!

First off, this is a JOKE I heard of TV and it is not ment as a flame, or to start a religous debate, and I think even christians will find it funny. The joke goes:

"If we are all God's children, then whats so special about Jesus!?!?!"

The dying for our sins thing?

A more disturbing question is 'If we're all God's children, isn't the incest caused by that a huge problem we should be addressing?'

The dying for our sins thing?



If I wasnt born then, then I had no sins for him to die for.

The dying for our sins thing?

A more disturbing question is 'If we're all God's children, isn't the incest caused by that a huge problem we should be addressing?'

:D

one thing i've always wanted to ask, is, if god loves each ofl his children with all his heart, how the hell is that possible?

I was actually wondering that a while back, when I was younger. Since I haven't been raised in a religious household, whenever I heard that Christ was the "Son of God", I wondered why wasn't everyone also God's child.

I was actually wondering that a while back, when I was younger. Since I haven't been raised in a religious household, whenever I heard that Christ was the "Son of God", I wondered why wasn't everyone also God's child.

Let's start a new religion called "The Assembly of Potential, but Highly Unlikely Messiahs" Mmm... no more tax. :D

I was actually wondering that a while back, when I was younger. Since I haven't been raised in a religious household, whenever I heard that Christ was the "Son of God", I wondered why wasn't everyone also God's child.

It is a technical matter. We are all God's created children but Jesus was God's Begoten son.

God is our father in the sense that he designed us, just as a human who desgns a sentient robot could be considered its father. God is Jesus' father in the since that he metaphysically boffed Jesus's mother.

It is a technical matter. We are all God's created children but Jesus was God's Begoten son.

God is our father in the sense that he designed us, just as a human who desgns a sentient robot could be considered its father. God is Jesus' father in the since that he metaphysically boffed Jesus's mother.

So like umm, Jesus was born of Mary, with the holy ghost imbued in her to make the child, and umm Adam was made of the Earth, made directly by G-d, and umm, then the Holy ghost imbuded into him and umm, made Adam..so umm, Jesus was an Adam, and umm, he was more special cause he ummm, didn't listen to women..but um taught that they shouldn't tell me what to do..


W.O.R.M.S.!!!!

"Begotten not made, one in Being with The Father"

God made all of us, but he actual gave part of himself for Jesus. So we are all his children in the sense that he made us, but Jesus is special in the sense that 50% of Jesus IS God The Father.



Funny comment though if you dont think into it like I did.

God made all of us, but he actual gave part of himself for Jesus. So we are all his children in the sense that he made us, but Jesus is special in the sense that 50% of Jesus IS God The Father.
Wow, that's pretty fecked up. God has a genome, and actually isn't omnipotent, since if he can give up any of his self, then he obviously has a definable self, and thus is not infinite in his ability.

"Begotten not made, one in Being with The Father"

God made all of us, but he actual gave part of himself for Jesus. So we are all his children in the sense that he made us, but Jesus is special in the sense that 50% of Jesus IS God The Father.



Funny comment though if you dont think into it like I did.

What was/is the other 50%?

Wow, that's pretty fecked up. God has a genome, and actually isn't omnipotent, since if he can give up any of his self, then he obviously has a definable self, and thus is not infinite in his ability.

Surely, if He is infinite, He has a lot to give. :p

What was/is the other 50%?

Human.

The Catholic Church sometimes refers to Jesus as the GodMan

Wow, that's pretty fecked up. God has a genome, and actually isn't omnipotent, since if he can give up any of his self, then he obviously has a definable self, and thus is not infinite in his ability.


He didnt give up any of himself, he just put some of himself in another place. Jesus and God (and the Holy Spirit) are all the same being. So technically he didnt give up any of himself.

Ah, the Virgin Mary. The greatest argument against abstinance I've ever seen.

Actually Jesus was an alien, his space ship, known as the Ghost, came down to infiltrate the world that Dr. Noah had set up in the Noah project. He found a matching DNA woman, and impregnated herself into her, and then had to use his space tech to make her husband understand and not just kill her. Using advanced genitics he allowed himself to retain his memory and advanced knowledge, as well as his mental powers. He then started an order to keep an eye on the world, and would have gotten away clean, except he got caught by the secret police of Noah, also known as the JEWS or Justice Enforcement Warriors. They then killed him, but failed to stop his space ship that took his body, they healed him, put him back together, but couldn't get rid of some of the scars, he was sent back down to leave final orders, and left again. Only to return in the future with a more massive fleet and destroy the earth, though his followers will be taken first.

He is a citizen of the Generals of Destruction and so he is their "son"

The Catholic Church sometimes refers to Jesus as the GodMan
Kickass!

If I wasnt born then, then I had no sins for him to die for.
Don't have the direct quote in front of me, but, as I understand it, he died for the sins of the world - past, present, and future sins. He took us away from having to atone for our sins by animal sacrifice. His blood alone atoned for all of it.

Wow, that's pretty fecked up. God has a genome, and actually isn't omnipotent, since if he can give up any of his self, then he obviously has a definable self, and thus is not infinite in his ability.

:D Bravo. I concluded the same not long ago. And I wondered, maybe even the Gods of all the universes are still evolving. Finite God = Finite universe, and we are aware that our universe has boundaries, though we don't know exactly how big. If the Gods continue to evolve, might there be one who will consume all dimensions into his/her own? :eek:

Don't have the direct quote in front of me, but, as I understand it, he died for the sins of the world - past, present, and future sins. He took us away from having to atone for our sins by animal sacrifice. His blood alone atoned for all of it.

Then wouldn't that mean that everyone (who 'believed') would go to heaven and no one to hell, because everyone's sins have already been forgiven thus we have nothing to atone for?

Then wouldn't that mean that everyone (who 'believed') would go to heaven and no one to hell, because everyone's sins have already been forgiven thus we have nothing to atone for?


hammer, nail, ya got it. Gave his only son that whoever belives doesn't die but has eternal life.

Then wouldn't that mean that everyone (who 'believed') would go to heaven and no one to hell, because everyone's sins have already been forgiven thus we have nothing to atone for?
Look at your statement: " everyone (who 'believed')". Plus, I didn't explain fully. Many of the Old Testament penalties for sin included capital punishment. Adultery - punished by death, not honoring your parents - punished by death, etc. Christ died for us so we don't have to die for our own sins. That doesn't mean we don't suffer the consequences of our sins in this life, and we must believe in Him. Christian theologians state that TRULY believing in Him causes a person to, gradually, want to become more and more like Him, and follow his teachings. The people you see who say "I'm saved", then go out and lie, cheat, and steal, do not truly believe in Him and have not allowed Him to be the controlling interest in their lives.

hammer, nail, ya got it. Gave his only son that whoever belives doesn't die but has eternal life.
You Christians are just too closed minded when it comes to the message, see, the real message means, in my eyes, that all those who believe they must live a pure life and belive in an afterlife, shall all have there afterlife. And besides Christianity is only one book in a three part series, ie Judaism, Christianity, Islam. But I am none of the above, instead I am a Gaianist.

You Christians are just too closed minded when it comes to the message, see, the real message means, in my eyes, that all those who believe they must live a pure life and belive in an afterlife, shall all have there afterlife. And besides Christianity is only one book in a three part series, ie Judaism, Christianity, Islam. But I am none of the above, instead I am a Gaianist.
Why is the Christian message any more "closed minded" than your belief system?

You Christians are just too closed minded when it comes to the message, see, the real message means, in my eyes, that all those who believe they must live a pure life and belive in an afterlife, shall all have there afterlife. And besides Christianity is only one book in a three part series, ie Judaism, Christianity, Islam. But I am none of the above, instead I am a Gaianist.

not closed minded, I thought I was rather open minded, do a search of my posts and I cover most issues... real message its all about points of view. though the recurring idea is that its faith that makes you closer to G-d, so its faith that saves, and such, not deeds actions, etc.

as for the 3 part, it could be, though I don't think so. I think its all differnt points of view on trying to find G-d. Though I see your point.

If we are God's children... Then I'd be one of the shit disturbers who always always breaks the rules and gets away with no punishment. :D

Why is the Christian message any more "closed minded" than your belief system?
Because mine isn't a 'beleif' it's a theroy., but all religions are closed minded in there beleifs, see how I said religion not individual.

Ah, the Virgin Mary. The greatest argument against abstinance I've ever seen.

Haha! I need to write that quote down someplace and use it in sex debates against Christians. Mwahahahaha!


Nevermind that the original idea behind Mary the 'Virgin' was just that she hadn't given birth to a child before, ie that Jesus was her first child - the word 'virgin' was chosen by bad translators due to the lack of word meaning 'woman who hasn't given birth to a child in the past'. Yay religion!

not closed minded, I thought I was rather open minded, do a search of my posts and I cover most issues... real message its all about points of view. though the recurring idea is that its faith that makes you closer to G-d, so its faith that saves, and such, not deeds actions, etc.

as for the 3 part, it could be, though I don't think so. I think its all differnt points of view on trying to find G-d. Though I see your point.
See, you are not completely open minded, and I beleive the exact opposite, I beleive it's the actions and deeds of the faithful that save, not faith it's self, after all 'god' has no authority over the coporeal form. Only etherial, aka spiritual.

Haha! I need to write that quote down someplace and use it in sex debates against Christians. Mwahahahaha!


Nevermind that the original idea behind Mary the 'Virgin' was just that she hadn't given birth to a child before, ie that Jesus was her first child - the word 'virgin' was chosen by bad translators due to the lack of word meaning 'woman who hasn't given birth to a child in the past'. Yay religion!
I say, abortion is murder unless it saves lives.

See, you are not completely open minded, and I beleive the exact opposite, I beleive it's the actions and deeds of the faithful that save, not faith it's self, after all 'god' has no authority over the coporeal form. Only etherial, aka spiritual.

there is a difference between open minded and openly accepting everything as true. I see faith as more important then deed, you see the other pole of it. Same rod, different ends so to speak, though holding simalar.

Because mine isn't a 'beleif' it's a theroy., but all religions are closed minded in there beleifs, see how I said religion not individual.

You said:
But I am none of the above, instead I am a Gaianist.
That seems to indicate not a theory, but a belief system - you "are" a Gaianist. That seems to indicate you subscribe to Gaianist beliefs, practices, theories, etc. As I subscribe to Christian beliefs, practices, etc. So I ask again, what does me being a Christian have to do with being closed-minded?

"If we are all God's children, then whats so special about Jesus!?!?!"

Okay, on another serious note.. concerning the joke. (nice).

We are not all God's children. Children by creation maybe (in hence he created us). More like divorced or runaway kids. :p

Not until we accept Jesus. Then we are 'adopted'. And become Sons and Daughters of God.

Okay, on another serious note.. concerning the joke. (nice).

We are not all God's children. Children by creation maybe (in hence he created us). More like divorced or runaway kids. :p

Not until we accept Jesus. Then we are 'adopted'. And become Sons and Daughters of God.
Darn! Beat me to it! Perfectly true.

Okay, on another serious note.. concerning the joke. (nice).

We are not all God's children. Children by creation maybe (in hence he created us). More like divorced or runaway kids. :p

Not until we accept Jesus. Then we are 'adopted'. And become Sons and Daughters of God.

actually if you read the bible there are already Adopted sons and daughters of G-d, the jews. everyone else is the children of G-d because by the bible he made us all. Jesus being our brother. kinda like a step brother, cause he is to wed the earth, oh which we are children of.

actually if you read the bible there are already Adopted sons and daughters of G-d, the jews. everyone else is the children of G-d because by the bible he made us all. Jesus being our brother. kinda like a step brother, cause he is to wed the earth, oh which we are children of.

Right, but in a spiritual sense. So Jews, not so much any more. But I guess everyone is a child of God. Or can be.

You said:

That seems to indicate not a theory, but a belief system - you "are" a Gaianist. That seems to indicate you subscribe to Gaianist beliefs, practices, theories, etc. As I subscribe to Christian beliefs, practices, etc. So I ask again, what does me being a Christian have to do with being closed-minded?
No, beleifs are unchangeing, theories change to help one better understand. Christians historically have been closed minded, eccspecially against muslims and other aisan religions. No insult.

there is a difference between open minded and openly accepting everything as true. I see faith as more important then deed, you see the other pole of it. Same rod, different ends so to speak, though holding simalar.
Exactly, you accept that there are other ways, that is open mindness.

No, beleifs are unchangeing, theories change to help one better understand. Christians historically have been closed minded, eccspecially against muslims and other aisan religions. No insult.
Once again, you didn't say "theory", you said you are a Gaianist. Which means you must agree with Gaianist beliefs. Lots of groups have been historically closed-minded, including Muslims against Christians, Jews against Arabs, Arabs against Jews, Whites against Blacks, Blacks against Whites, etc. Making a blanket statement about a group, even the "closed-minded" Christians, is nothing less than stereotyping. I'm sure you didn't mean to be insulting, but it seems as if the only group it is acceptable to be intolerant of is Christians. "Christians are so closed-minded". "Christians are so intolerant". I could say the same about many other groups. I find it much better to take people as they are, rather than as their classification. You say you are a Gaianist. I haven't the faintest idea what a Gaianist is (I suspect it has something to do with worshipping Mother Earth, unity with the environment), but I really don't care. I just take note of what you say, not your classification.

I say, abortion is murder unless it saves lives.

I say, let's keep the abortion debate to the 435^897 topics already devoted to it, eh?

Actually Jesus was an alien, his space ship, known as the Ghost, came down to infiltrate the world that Dr. Noah had set up in the Noah project. He found a matching DNA woman, and impregnated herself into her, and then had to use his space tech to make her husband understand and not just kill her. Using advanced genitics he allowed himself to retain his memory and advanced knowledge, as well as his mental powers. He then started an order to keep an eye on the world, and would have gotten away clean, except he got caught by the secret police of Noah, also known as the JEWS or Justice Enforcement Warriors. They then killed him, but failed to stop his space ship that took his body, they healed him, put him back together, but couldn't get rid of some of the scars, he was sent back down to leave final orders, and left again. Only to return in the future with a more massive fleet and destroy the earth, though his followers will be taken first.

He is a citizen of the Generals of Destruction and so he is their "son"

Wow... that explains a lot...

Also - well thought out there, i like the acronyms

Wow... that explains a lot...

Also - well thought out there, i like the acronyms
have you found the first part of that? talking about the NOAH project?

it can be found in its most recent form here
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=389200&page=4&pp=15

Nevermind that the original idea behind Mary the 'Virgin' was just that she hadn't given birth to a child before, ie that Jesus was her first child - the word 'virgin' was chosen by bad translators due to the lack of word meaning 'woman who hasn't given birth to a child in the past'. Yay religion![/QUOTE]


*cough* so what about other documents thare are in Aramaic that we have found that uses the Aramaic word fro Greek.

Nevermind that the original idea behind Mary the 'Virgin' was just that she hadn't given birth to a child before, ie that Jesus was her first child - the word 'virgin' was chosen by bad translators due to the lack of word meaning 'woman who hasn't given birth to a child in the past'. Yay religion!


*cough* so what about other documents thare are in Aramaic that we have found that uses the Aramaic word fro Greek.[/QUOTE]


see, the problem is there wasn't the word for alien spy that used advanced dna science to empregnate a woman with matching dna that happened to be a virgin and pass this dna seed into the woman and for the child to have retained its knowledge and such. So the people just had to write it in various ways, each seeing it their own way.

The dying for our sins thing?

A more disturbing question is 'If we're all God's children, isn't the incest caused by that a huge problem we should be addressing?'

*shudders*

First off, this is a JOKE I heard of TV and it is not ment as a flame, or to start a religous debate, and I think even christians will find it funny. The joke goes:

"If we are all God's children, then whats so special about Jesus!?!?!"
Ah, Comedy Central. The answer is that some people are more equal than others.

*shudders*
this is a sign of total lacking of understanding what incest is. Yes, even science says we share a common ancestor, so yes, we all practive incest right? wrong, just cause you have a simalar root, does't mean you have the same plant.