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Thats pretty self explanatory... i think anyway.
What is your purpose on this earth?

Eat, shit and breed. Duh.

Eat, shit and breed. Duh.

Dito

To complete the Primary Objective.

To complete the Primary Objective.


what is the "primary objective" thats way too vague

what is the "primary objective" thats way too vague

The Primary Objective is to complete the Primary Objective.

Eat, shit and breed. Duh.


Nice intelligent answer.

My primary purpose is classified. If I told you, I’d have to kill you.

The Primary Objective is to complete the Primary Objective.


Yet another VERY intelligent answer.

To live and spread my seed.
This has been the purpose of all sexual creatures since day 1.

Boring but realistic.

dont tell me you guys never really thought of this before, now seriously someone intelligently tell me.

All I'm good for at the moment is taking up space. Therefore I intend to take up as much space as possible - henceforth it is my goal to become the world's fattest man!!

1 Crush my enemies
2 See them driven before me
3 Hear the lamentation of their women

Thats pretty self explanatory... i think anyway.
What is your purpose on this earth?
To kill Sarah Connor.

To live and spread my seed.
This has been the purpose of all sexual creatures since day 1.

Boring but realistic.

Yay now i have something to argue with, ok that is the purpose for those animals that lack the ability to reason, now humans have the ability to reason thats what sets apart from the rest of creation. If thats all you believe and you accept it i feel sorry for you.

dont tell me you guys never really thought of this before, now seriously someone intelligently tell me.

Not everyone believes in fate, dear.

1 Crush my enemies
2 See them driven before me
3 Hear the lamentation of their women
Right on thats the way to be go barbarian hordes weeeeeeeeeeeee
They need a smile with a big ass sword for posts like these.
of and a dito here

To kill Sarah Connor.


OK..??

1 Crush my enemies
2 See them driven before me
3 Hear the lamentation of their women

You forget:

4. Salt the earth
5. Bomb the rubble till it bounces
6. Leave no two bricks joined together

Not everyone believes in fate, dear.

no such thing as fate.... dear.

Wait, wait:

To piss my name across the snowbank of the world.

Then no one would forget. Ever!

To kill Sarah Connor.

10 points. In life.

Yay now i have something to argue with, ok that is the purpose for those animals that lack the ability to reason, now humans have the ability to reason thats what sets apart from the rest of creation. If thats all you believe and you accept it i feel sorry for you.
You were just looking for someone to feel sorry for? :)

Ok i get it, everyone is trying to be really funny by coming up with obscure and weird things to say about their purpose... no one has a real answer.

You were just looking for someone to feel sorry for? :)


HUH? to answer your question, NO, but i never said that in the first place...

no such thing as fate.... dear.

I'd say that believing that all people have a "purpose" in life other that simply reproducing indicates that you do believe that we all have our own, unchangeble, fate.

Yay now i have something to argue with, ok that is the purpose for those animals that lack the ability to reason, now humans have the ability to reason thats what sets apart from the rest of creation. If thats all you believe and you accept it i feel sorry for you.

Of course we'd all like to think that our purpose has some deep meaning and great value to the world. But the sad truth is we are here because of our ancestors instinct to survive and likewise our lives are based on this instinct. My views on the world and humanity are a tad cynical if you hadn't already noticed ;)

Purpose 1 : Survive and Procreate
Purpose 2 : Find meaning in life
Purpose 3 : Enjoy life :)

Ok i get it, everyone is trying to be really funny by coming up with obscure and weird things to say about their purpose... no one has a real answer.

Hey, it's more entertaining than coming up with a long string of quasi-profound threads that don't really go anywhere.

"Meaning of life? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?"

Of course we'd all like to think that our purpose has some deep meaning and great value to the world. But the sad truth is we are here because of our ancestors instinct to survive and likewise our lives are based on this instinct. My views on the world and humanity are a tad cynical if you hadn't already noticed ;)

Purpose 1 : Survive and Procreate
Purpose 2 : Find meaning in life
Purpose 3 : Enjoy life :)

Word!

I'd say that believing that all people have a "purpose" in life other that simply reproducing indicates that you do believe that we all have our own, unchangeble, fate.


fate is.. as you put it and unchangeable end, but i must say that if we had no choice over it you couldnt just get up and do anything.

Anyways... purpose is defined also as a reason, so what is the reason for creatures that possess the power to reason and think independently. So in other words there is not fate, we all have an end and i guess if you're sick enough to believe that that end is fate... and we have no control over it then i might encourage you to remove the blinders you're wearing.

A purpose implies a design.
A design implies a designer.
Design me a purpose,
Without any surplus.
No purpose could be any finer.

Of course we'd all like to think that our purpose has some deep meaning and great value to the world. But the sad truth is we are here because of our ancestors instinct to survive and likewise our lives are based on this instinct. My views on the world and humanity are a tad cynical if you hadn't already noticed ;)

Purpose 1 : Survive and Procreate
Purpose 2 : Find meaning in life
Purpose 3 : Enjoy life :)

nice except for the ummm #2 because that was the question...

Hey, it's more entertaining than coming up with a long string of quasi-profound threads that don't really go anywhere.

"Meaning of life? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?"

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A purpose implies a design.
A design implies a designer.
Design me a purpose,
Without any surplus.
No purpose could be any finer.


Thus indicating there is a God, and there was intelligence in the designing of humans.

Hey, it's more entertaining than coming up with a long string of quasi-profound threads that don't really go anywhere.

"Meaning of life? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?"

"Oh... Waiter... this conversation isn't very good."

Hey, it's more entertaining than coming up with a long string of quasi-profound threads that don't really go anywhere.

"Meaning of life? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?"

nice lack of brain answer

i've yet to hear anything other than procreation.

I really don't know my purpose, I guess. But I try to live my life like my two favorite quotes:

"There is only one happiness in life, to love and be loved." George Sand

"Success...is knowing that one life has breathed easier because you have lived." Ralph Waldo Emerson

fate is.. as you put it and unchangeable end, but i must say that if we had no choice over it you couldnt just get up and do anything.

Anyways... purpose is defined also as a reason, so what is the reason for creatures that possess the power to reason and think independently. So in other words there is not fate, we all have an end and i guess if you're sick enough to believe that that end is fate... and we have no control over it then i might encourage you to remove the blinders you're wearing.

Blah. Of course we could still "do whatever we want", even if there is such a thing as fate. Maybe what we want, a.k.a. our "free will", is part of the equation? Maybe we're free to do what we want but not to want what we want? Because we can't ever know our fates until they've been acted out, there's no way of fighting them.

ANYWAY. I don't believe in fate, but all I'm saying is that it's not that simple a question anyway.

To live a life in comfort since retiring from my duties as a soldier in the dimension I am originally from. This opportunity is given only to the bio-engineered class of soldier (Code FF297-A) who have artificaially generated consciousnesses (mine's a self-realizing DS Series. Not too old, not too new but it is fully augmented. Not like some of the older models which have a tendancy to degrade and disappear in a matter of decades. Mine has a half-life of around 3 billion years so I'll be in service for a LONG time.).

Since my body was damaged greatly in arecent battle I was given leave, which means I can do about a million things. I chose to hang out for some reason no this planet and see what a normal life would feel like.

Personally, I'd rather be fighting. 'Normal' ain't all it is cracked up to be.

Next time I get this opportunity I'm planning on sitting in the ether for a while just chatting it up in limbo with the other guys. Or perhaps I'll go on a REAL vacation on a beach somewhere OR just coast around one of the more beautiful solar systems. I probably won't be trying this again for awhile.

So I guess the SHORT answer for your question would be: antiquing. And war.

i've yet to hear anything other than procreation.

Gee, Davey, you think it could be...God?

Blah. Of course we could still "do whatever we want", even if there is such a thing as fate. Maybe what we want, a.k.a. our "free will", is part of the equation? Maybe we're free to do what we want but not to want what we want? Because we can't ever know our fates until they've been acted out, there's no way of fighting them.

ANYWAY. I don't believe in fate, but all I'm saying is that it's not that simple a question anyway.

oh you believe in predestination. but the confusing part is if we dont know how itll turn out doesnt that mean that its not fate?

To live a life in comfort since retiring from my duties as a soldier in the dimension I am originally from. This opportunity is given only to the bio-engineered class of soldier (Code FF297-A) who have artificaially generated consciousnesses (mine's a self-realizing DS Series. Not too old, not too new but it is fully augmented. Not like some of the older models which have a tendancy to degrade and disappear in a matter of decades. Mine has a half-life of around 3 billion years so I'll be in service for a LONG time.).

Since my body was damaged greatly in arecent battle I was given leave, which means I can do about a million things. I chose to hang out for some reason no this planet and see what a normal life would feel like.

Personally, I'd rather be fighting. 'Normal' ain't all it is cracked up to be.

Next time I get this opportunity I'm planning on sitting in the ether for a while just chatting it up in limbo with the other guys. Or perhaps I'll go on a REAL vacation on a beach somewhere OR just coast around one of the more beautiful solar systems. I probably won't be trying this again for awhile.

So I guess the SHORT answer for your question would be: antiquing. And war.

Is your last name "Lightyear"?

nice except for the ummm #2 because that was the question...

In short, I'm still looking for a deeper purpose than #1, and I'm beginning to think there is none.

And as for the fate issue I believe that basically once we are created we can mold our future with every decision we make. There is what we should be, what we can be, and what we are.

Gee, Davey, you think it could be...God?


why do you make me out for a moron

oh you believe in predestination. but the confusing part is if we dont know how itll turn out doesnt that mean that its not fate?

The thing with fate is that only God/Allah/whatchamacallit knows about it. We aren't supposed to know about our fates, and because of that we can never prove that we have digressed from our set path or whatever.

Really, why am I still arguing this? I don't believe in fate or predestination or anything like that. Help! I'm a helpless debater and I can't get up!

In short, I'm still looking for a deeper purpose than #1, and I'm beginning to think there is none.

And as for the fate issue I believe that basically once we are created we can mold our future with every decision we make. There is what we should be, what we can be, and what we are.
Ok, I'll play along.
My purpose, decided by me, is to be a good patriotic American. To help my community through charity and to build it's wealth through work. To satisfy my hunger for knowledge by reading and through debate on NS General.

In short, I'm still looking for a deeper purpose than #1, and I'm beginning to think there is none.

And as for the fate issue I believe that basically once we are created we can mold our future with every decision we make. There is what we should be, what we can be, and what we are.

hmmmm...

The thing with fate is that only God/Allah/whatchamacallit knows about it. We aren't supposed to know about our fates, and because of that we can never prove that we have digressed from our set path or whatever.

Really, why am I still arguing this? I don't believe in fate or predestination or anything like that. Help! I'm a helpless debater and I can't get up!


hahaha... obviously you have the world figured out... only one thing left to do, ill let you figure out what im saying.

nice lack of brain answer

Oh, no problem. I mean it's not likely that people have been grappling with this question, I don't know, since before written language. And, after all, the odds are pretty good that you're going to nail down that one satisfactory answer that has been eluding mankind from Plato to Camus here, in a NationStates thread.

Excuse me. I've got a, er, snowbank to sign.

Ok, I'll play along.
My purpose, decided by me, is to be a good patriotic American. To help my community through charity and to build it's wealth through work. To satisfy my hunger for knowledge by reading and through debate on NS General.

sounds boring

Oh, no problem. I mean it's not likely that people have been grappling with this question, I don't know, since before written language. And, after all, the odds are pretty good that you're going to nail down that one satisfactory answer that has been eluding mankind from Plato to Camus here, in a NationStates thread.

Don't mind me. I've got a snowbank to sign.

i know my answer, and i have my meaning and purpose, i want to see other's answers.

why do you make me out for a moron

Easy, tiger. I'm quoting really old stop-motion claymation television. Anyone else know what I'm talking about? I'd be suprised if no one did.

hahaha... obviously you have the world figured out... only one thing left to do, ill let you figure out what im saying.

You're making no sense
I shall be forced to haiku!
Yes, it is a verb.

I live to eradicate mankind.

i dont know why you set the philosophers apart from us, all they decided to do was think.

To be transformed by the renewing of my mind. To live as Jesus Christ lived.

Easy, tiger. I'm quoting really old stop-motion claymation television. Anyone else know what I'm talking about? I'd be suprised if no one did.


umm ill take a guess but i dont think its right... gumby?

Is your last name "Lightyear"?

Don't really have a "last name" since I'm a construct. Company I belong to is "Coeluraon" so you can use that as a last name if you wish. :)

To be transformed by the renewing of my mind.

you quote the bible

Easy, tiger. I'm quoting really old stop-motion claymation television. Anyone else know what I'm talking about? I'd be suprised if no one did.
Golly, Goliath, I don't know. What are you talking about?

I see an amazing lack of thought in a lot of these answers.

Twodi: quit insulting people, and yes your posts are insulting.

To be transformed by the renewing of my mind. To live as Jesus Christ lived.Why not refresh your soul in the waters of Lake Minnetonka?

I see an amazing lack of thought in a lot of these answers.


wow i do too

I see an amazing lack of thought in a lot of these answers.

What, we're supposed to be thinking?!?! I thought I was supposed to be working.

Twodi: quit insulting people, and yes your posts are insulting.


im sorry, but im getting alot of stupid answers

I see an amazing lack of thought in a lot of these answers.
Not a lot of thought? Ill show you not a lot of thought!

NARF!

Don't really have a "last name" since I'm a construct. Company I belong to is "Coeluraon" so you can use that as a last name if you wish. :)

You put the "fun" in "befundle".

im sorry, but im getting alot of stupid answers

Who knew stupid questions could produce such an unexpected result?

i see, God has created me, therefore he is my purpose. to praise and worship him because he was so gracious as to create me.

Who knew stupid questions could produce such an unexpected result?


I never knew the meaning of life was stupid... hm

Why do we have to have a purpose?

Why do we have to have a purpose?

because you were created

[QUOTE=Davistania]Why not refresh your soul in the waters of Lake Minnetonka?[/QUOTE

My soul is continually refreshed by the Fountain of Life that is in Jesus Christ.

because you were created
So then the Creator assigns a purpose.

Golly, Goliath, I don't know. What are you talking about?

Davey and Goliath. Man, was that super. You might remember them from the Mountain Dew commercials. "We got hosed, Tommy. We got hosed."

So then the Creator assigns a purpose.


dont you think thats right, i mean if you create a pot... it has a purpose does it not?

because you were created
Who created us? I have a distinct lack of memory of being created.

Davey and Goliath. Man, was that super. You might remember them from the Mountain Dew commercials. "We got hosed, Tommy. We got hosed."
Haha, I think I might have caught a glimpse of that.

My soul is continually refreshed by the Fountain of Life that is in Jesus Christ.

Me too

dont you think thats right, i mean if you create a pot... it has a purpose does it not?
Let's see here....

Nope. This one doesn't.

dont you think thats right, i mean if you create a pot... it has a purpose does it not?

So if your mother told you that you were a "mistake" as it were, it would mean that you have no purpose?

Who created us? I have a distinct lack of memory of being created.


lol umm God created you...

So if your mother told you that you were a "mistake" as it were, it would mean that you have no purpose?


no... because your mother didnt create you, all she did was house the egg that you were.

oh and if you were "unexpected" to humans doesnt mean that you are a mistake

Depending on the cards you are dealt and what you make of those. Possibly it could be to find a peace & happiness that could be provided by no other means than love.

dont you think thats right, i mean if you create a pot... it has a purpose does it not?
Depends on how you look at it. If creation is a natural process, then there the creator is Nature, and Nature has no mind, no intellect, so no purpose.

Haha, I think I might have caught a glimpse of that.

My question: how do I even know about that? I'm in college. You kids these days with your veggietales. Back in the day when christian programming was christian programming and men were men.

Depends on how you look at it. If creation is a natural process, then there the creator is Nature, and Nature has no mind, no intellect, so no purpose.


God created nature, therefore there is a purpose.

lol umm God created you...
How the hell could I create myself? That's pretty fucked-up.

My question: how do I even know about that? I'm in college. You kids these days with your veggietales. Back in the day when christian programming was christian programming and men were men.
I know how I know it. I saw the television series first-run. ;-)

Let's see here....

Nope. This one doesn't.

just because you dont use it doesnt mean it wasnt meant to be used.

My question: how do I even know about that? I'm in college. You kids these days with your veggietales. Back in the day when christian programming was christian programming and men were men.
Veggietales ROCKS!!!!
Anyway, my purpose is to glorify God.

How the hell could I create myself? That's pretty fucked-up.


you arent God

lol umm God created you...

Oh. Whoops. I shouldn't even be here...






Who am I kidding? This'll be FUN! :D

you arent God
Well. I know someone who's going to Hell.

Oh. Whoops. I shouldn't even be here...






Who am I kidding? This'll be FUN! :D


whatever...

I'm beginning to wonder what is god's purpose?(If he/she/it exists)

Perhaps the overseeing of mankinds development, but where did this purpose develop?

lol umm God created you...My purpose is to prove god isn't real and use excessive emoticons in this post :sniper: :gundge: :sniper:

:rolleyes: Well. I know someone who's going to Hell.

I know how I know it. I saw the television series first-run. ;-)

Your secret's safe with me, grayhair.

Well. I know someone who's going to Hell.

i dont get it and i dont think you do either... if you believe in hell then you have to believe in God.

i dont get it and i dont think you do either... if you believe in hell then you have to believe in God.

You don't have to believe in something to talk about it.

i dont get it and i dont think you do either... if you believe in hell then you have to believe in God.
He is saying that he is god.
so he thinks that because he is god he can send you to hell
he is being weird

I'm beginning to wonder what is god's purpose?(If he/she/it exists)

Perhaps the overseeing of mankinds development, but where did this purpose develop?


Now you're into the subject no one is mature enough to get to. Human's cannot comprehend God's purpose because he has always been and will always be.

i dont get it and i dont think you do either... if you believe in hell then you have to believe in God.
Of course I believe in God. I am God.

You don't have to believe in something to talk about it.


um he said someone is going there thus inferring that he believes it exists

Of course I believe in God. I am God.

I see... so what am i here for then.... god

He is saying that he is god.
so he thinks that because he is god he can send you to hell
he is being weird


agreed

Now you're into the subject no one is mature enough to get to. Human's cannot comprehend God's purpose because he has always been and will always be.

True. If a being can exist with no beginning and end then it is beyond my comprehension, for now. With enough time I belive anything can be understood. Unfortunatly time is one thing we humans lack.

Believing in God is just an irrational explaination for the absurdity that is our existance. *prepares for attack*

I see... so what am i here for then.... god
To amuse me. Now DANCE!

um he said someone is going there thus inferring that he believes it exists
:) You're not much of a kidder, are you?

True. If a being can exist with no beginning and end then it is beyond my comprehension, for now. With enough time I belive anything can be understood. Unfortunatly time is one thing we humans lack.

one day i will know, when i die that is, but i do think that he has designed us to not be able to comprehend that while we are on this earth

To amuse me. Now DANCE!

I thought it was to kill Sarah Connors. That's the better joke.

Now you're into the subject no one is mature enough to get to. Human's cannot comprehend God's purpose because he has always been and will always be.
If we cannot know God's purpose, how can we know God's purpose for us? And if we don't know God's purpose for us, isn't that the same as having no purpose? (or one we've created ourselves)

He is saying that he is god.
so he thinks that because he is god he can send you to hell
he is being weird

My demented mind
made that post totally look
like a huge haiku

Believing in God is just an irrational explaination for the absurdity that is our existance. *prepares for attack*


Youve not experienced anything spiritual im guessing

I just read this book by a norweigian writer he says the following.

The purpose of man is like a group assignment you get in school. The task is as follows: Order your suroundings. Find the best way to organise yourself and use your natural surounding. Describe, in your own words, what it is to be a human being. Figure out how everything is connected and why you are here. Take appropriate amount of time and good luck.

Doesn't sound to difficult?

:) You're not much of a kidder, are you?


not on this subject

By your definitions how is it possible for someone to know what their purpose is. You seem to be asking people for their opinions and then saying their opinions are wrong.

one day i will know, when i die that is, but i do think that he has designed us to not be able to comprehend that while we are on this earth

But as the rebellious teen I am, I'll try to figure it out before I die anyway ;)

Youve not experienced anything spiritual im guessing
Any "spiritual" experience that you've had, has a rational explaination. God is not a rational explaination.

If we cannot know God's purpose, how can we know God's purpose for us? And if we don't know God's purpose for us, isn't that the same as having no purpose? (or one we've created ourselves)



thats a logical fallacy, it IS possible to know our purpose because God has a purpose for everyone.

I see... so what am i here for then.... god

Are you sure you want to know the answer? It may not be as pleasant as you might like. You may very well be the butt of some great cosmic joke. Would knowing that make you feel better?

The fact of the matter is that we create our own meanings and purposes. Looking to others to tell you why you are here and what you are supposed to do shows intellectual weakness and an inability or unwillingness to confront the those sorts of questions yourself.

Religion is a cop-out.

sounds boring
A boring truth is better than an exciting lie.

Believing in God is just an irrational explaination for the absurdity that is our existance. *prepares for attack*

*joins*

A boring truth is better than an exciting lie.

to some.

I just read this book by a norweigian writer he says the following.

The purpose of man is like a group assignment you get in school. The task is as follows: Order your suroundings. Find the best way to organise yourself and use your natural surounding. Describe, in your own words, what it is to be a human being. Figure out how everything is connected and why you are here. Take appropriate amount of time and good luck.

Doesn't sound to difficult?
Haha, that's not a purpose, that's an instruction manual. :)

I just read this book by a norweigian writer he says the following.

The purpose of man is like a group assignment you get in school. The task is as follows: Order your suroundings. Find the best way to organise yourself and use your natural surounding. Describe, in your own words, what it is to be a human being. Figure out how everything is connected and why you are here. Take appropriate amount of time and good luck.

Doesn't sound to difficult?
Not at all, but he didn't go far enough. The purpose of all sentient life is to protect and nuture life in all its forms. Sentience represents the universe's continuing efforts to become self-aware.

Damn Passive Cookies. He (she?) said it before me! :mad:

*Prepares for attack as well*

Any "spiritual" experience that you've had, has a rational explaination. God is not a rational explaination.


My uncle is handicapped, he dove into a wave and snapped his neck, he remembers his face dragging on the ground while he was slipping out of consciousness and all of the sudden a huge hand grabs him and pulls him out of the water and he says to the being i cant move, then the being says back to him"dont worry everything is going to be just fine" as my uncle describes his voice as "the most relaxing voice he has ever heard" the being(or angel perhaps) laid him on the beach and people come rushing up, my uncle asks where the man went, and they said they didnt see anyone.

Sentience represents the universe's continuing efforts to become self-aware.
I like that. It's poetic.

now is there a logical explanation to how he was on the bottom of the ocean floor drowning because he was handicapped under 5 feet of water and he ends up on the beach somehow?

My uncle is handicapped, he dove into a wave and snapped his neck, he remembers his face dragging on the ground while he was slipping out of consciousness and all of the sudden a huge hand grabs him and pulls him out of the water and he says to the being i cant move, then the being says back to him"dont worry everything is going to be just fine" as my uncle describes his voice as "the most relaxing voice he has ever heard" the being(or angel perhaps) laid him on the beach and people come rushing up, my uncle asks where the man went, and they said they didnt see anyone.
Wow, your touching story has convinced me that there is no explaination for this miracle, save the existance of God. Clearly I have been living a lie up until this very moment. [/sarcasm]

My uncle is handicapped, he dove into a wave and snapped his neck, he remembers his face dragging on the ground while he was slipping out of consciousness and all of the sudden a huge hand grabs him and pulls him out of the water and he says to the being i cant move, then the being says back to him"dont worry everything is going to be just fine" as my uncle describes his voice as "the most relaxing voice he has ever heard" the being(or angel perhaps) laid him on the beach and people come rushing up, my uncle asks where the man went, and they said they didnt see anyone.

Trauma-induced hallucination.

NEXT!

Dammit Cookies! Stop doing that! :mad:

Trauma-induced hallucination.

NEXT!


if you heard the story straight from his mouth im sure youd say the same (not really)

in vivid detail he describes it and with every feeling, i doubt he hallucinated

Trauma-induced hallucination.

NEXT!

Dammit Cookies! Stop doing that! :mad:
Stop doing what?

now is there a logical explanation to how he was on the bottom of the ocean floor drowning because he was handicapped under 5 feet of water and he ends up on the beach somehow?
A wave. Duh. It wouldn't have been me, because I owe him 10 bucks.

A wave. Duh. It wouldn't have been me, because I owe him 10 bucks.


on the virginia beach waves arent out that far, they never break farther out than 3 feet from the shore.

Stop doing what?

Posting before me. Since we're saying close to the same thing I end up looking like a parrot. Or something.

I was joking anyway. It's nice to know that I'm not alone here. :)

Eat, shit and breed. Duh.

Me too

send me a message if you wish to refute me, but i have to go

Posting before me. Since we're saying close to the same thing I end up looking like a parrot. Or something.

I was joking anyway. It's nice to know that I'm not alone here. :)
Haha, I'm glad someone feels the same way.

I like that. It's poetic.
Thank you. :)

Haha, I'm glad someone feels the same way.

I do too, I just felt like laughing at this thread and writing bad haikus rather than replying anything worth debating. :P

OK so maybe instead of what is our purpose here in life.

We could say, Why do you drag yourself out of bed in the morning?

I do too, I just felt like laughing at this thread and writing bad haikus rather than replying anything worth debating. :P

You don't give yourself enough credit. Some of those Haikus were very well done.

God I love this thread. If I read it while listening to Pink Floyd it totally synchs up.

Haha, that's not a purpose, that's an instruction manual. :)

While I am at it the same author did also answer the question "what do I want?"

First he made a list over things he had
- a nice bike
- a good friend
- a bad friend
- a brother
- parents
- grand parents
- A huge study debt
- one sixth of a masters degree
- a camera
- a handfull of dollars
- a pair of almost new sneakers

Then a list over things he hasn't got:
- Plans for the future
- Enthusiasm
-A girlfriend
- The feeling that things are connected and that everything will have a happy end
- a winning appearance
- a watch

Looking at the list he notices one obvious thing. He's got 11 things and only misses 6. Which could be a source of optimism. But looking at the list again he realises that just adding is not a very balanced way for this calculation.
The second thing is that if you add all the things together you get 17. Which is quite a bigg number for important things in your life. For a moment he feels proud. But only for a moment.
He realises that somethings on the lists are less importantthan others. For exemple he would in a minute exchange his bad fiend for some enthusiams. Or a girlfriend....

Whatever, back to what he wants.
He now writes a list over characteristics of the thing he want:
- It is not supposed to be bigger than he can carry it around.
- It should not be expensive
- Can be used indoors and outdoors
- You should be able to use it many times
- Can be used on my own but also with others
- Get's me activated
- Makes me forget about time

Looking over the list everything is obvious. He wants a ball. Sometimes it i simple.
The rest of the book is on his contemplations while he is throwing the ball against a wall.

The rest of the book is on his contemplations while he is throwing the ball against a wall.

So he's Toby from The West Wing?

OK so maybe instead of what is our purpose here in life.

We could say, Why do you drag yourself out of bed in the morning?

Yay! Compromise! :D I think I could actually answer this question.

The reason I haven't killed myself yet (ha!) can pretty much be summed up with one word: knowledge. I want to know as much as possible about everything and everyone. I want to investigate my own psyche aswell as other's and I want to be able to speak every language in the world (if only!) JUST so that I could acheive some form of higher understanding of other cultures.

That, and my immense fear of death.

lol umm God created you...
What if goddess created him?

So he's Toby from The West Wing?
No he's giot a watch, right?

You don't give yourself enough credit. Some of those Haikus were very well done.

Yay! I have a fan!
"Thanks!", says my self-confidence
now I'll never quit

Be world dictator

Create peace of Earth

Die, and leave behind a happy world

I've read all of that... Took far too much time, I need to get more of a life.

Anyway, onto the point:

I've spent a great deal of time thinking about this, and I will be the first to admit that my thoughts are not impervious to my enviroment and the interactions with me, and the motivations, of the people around me. I have gone from Athiest, to Existentialist, to Christian.

The rational I use for Christianity is as follows:

1. Humans (at least as far as I have observed and understand) have instictive desires, one of these is the desire for a belief in a "higher being", that is a (or many) God(s).

2. Rationality breaks down when one realises that "I think therefor I am" is a belief structure, that is, I think the way in which I think is correct as it makes sense. Compare, as a way of understanding this how your thought processes work when you are drunk (or "stupid" people think) and how this "makes sense" to the drunk or idiot in question. I think therefore I am, as well as all logic and philosophical thought only makes sense aslong as you believe in thought, and hence is a belief structure with no more rational basis than (any other?) religion.

3. Once one allows oneself to understand that "belief" is about as far as we can rationally accept anything (even though we don't neccisarily believe in rationality) we can't get much further without believe in rationality. However, we now have a value for belief, and understand that just because we think something is true or false doesn't make it so. If we are to combine this with the basic desire to believe in a God we can go about looking at which "God" is the most rational to believe in.

4. Stigmata amoung other occurences or "signs" if you will (including the example above (sorry couldn't be bothered to read that account)) are consistent with documents that came about a long time ago. This'll do as evidence to investigate, and when one looks at events that are common place in evangelical churches yet supernatural outside we can establish the rational likelyhood of the Christian religion being a valid one.

I do not claim to have "the answer", this is just my rational (the closest I've come), and I believe in this religion, and God defines my perposes (hope he'll get back to me about that one soon ;P). For those who will undoubtedly take that out of context I believe God shows and guides me anyway, without having to "get back to me". Sorry - but some people are being really pedantic.

Further, please stop saying "We can't understand God's perpose" it pisses me off.

Sorry about the confused language, and thank you for your time,
Chris.

Now you're into the subject no one is mature enough to get to. Human's cannot comprehend God's purpose because he has always been and will always be.
God's purpose is to be the imaginary best friend of the people who debate against me on NS.

Yay! I have a fan!
"Thanks!", says my self-confidence
now I'll never quit

Perhaps you should think
About that old phrase, which says
"Quit while you're ahead"

:D

Perhaps you should think
About that old phrase, which says
"Quit while you're ahead"

:D

"Bah, humbug!", I say
"It could have worked for MJ
I don't molest, though."

thats a logical fallacy, it IS possible to know our purpose because God has a purpose for everyone.
You're working from a false premise because god is a myth.

My uncle is handicapped, he dove into a wave and snapped his neck, he remembers his face dragging on the ground while he was slipping out of consciousness and all of the sudden a huge hand grabs him and pulls him out of the water and he says to the being i cant move, then the being says back to him"dont worry everything is going to be just fine" as my uncle describes his voice as "the most relaxing voice he has ever heard" the being(or angel perhaps) laid him on the beach and people come rushing up, my uncle asks where the man went, and they said they didnt see anyone.
What if the being was a hallucination and he just washed up on the shore? It seems he suffered some serious trauma. It would probably be enough to trigger a hallucination.

1 Crush my enemies
2 See them driven before me
3 Hear the lamentation of their women

'Ken oath, Conan kicks arse.

if you heard the story straight from his mouth im sure youd say the same (not really)

in vivid detail he describes it and with every feeling, i doubt he hallucinated
A full 25% of people experience hallucinations. What's so doubtfull about a hallucination? It's a lot easier to beleive than an immortal sky-wizard.

Trauma-induced hallucination.

NEXT!

I find it funny that our culture is so focused on experience and interpretation, and yet we can so easily discount the experiences of others.

Unfortunately the only response to dogmatism is more dogmatism.

4. Stigmata amoung other occurences or "signs" if you will (including the example above (sorry couldn't be bothered to read that account)) are consistent with documents that came about a long time ago. This'll do as evidence to investigate, and when one looks at events that are common place in evangelical churches yet supernatural outside we can establish the rational likelyhood of the Christian religion being a valid one.

First, way to post this and make us all look like cynical, if hilarious, jackasses.

Second, what are you talking about with Stigmata? This isn't a very widely held belief, and a majority of Christians are skeptical of such things. We've been given a religion where you don't shake or have big revelations. That's partially what Christ was talking about when he refused Satan's tempation in the desert to make the stones into bread. We don't GET manna from the sky anymore. We don't need to. That's Christ.

Hmmm.... I have no purpose. I live to amuse myself, and I'll die for that as well.

P.S. – Even though I’m not spouting praises to your lord, I hope this is a good enough answer for you.

I don't think there is a higher purpose to life.

We're born.
We live.
We die.

Nothing more, nothing less. There is no afterlife, death is the end. I don't think that this is a bad thing. What we choose to do, what we achieve, whether we choose to live "good" or "bad" lives is up to us.

i have none. basically to procreate but damn women are so elusive... :(

other than that some kinda airy-fairy desire to benefit and help develop humanity into some form of more enlightened people would fit my adgenda, but its a) unlikely unless i happen to become the political leader of a major world power (just aint gonna happen :p ) and b) slightly vague and impractical with *real* life.

Truth, justice, and the American way.

We have no purpose. How do I know? It's simple, really:

For anything to have a purpose, it has to have been created by a reasonably intelligent entity.

The only reasonably intelligent entities on earth are humans and, possibly, monkeys and dolphins.

Monkeys and dolphins are incapable of creating human beings.

It is logically impossible for anything to be its own creator, as this would require it to have been present before its own creation.

It follows logically, then, that we have no purpose, because none of the things which are capable of creating things with a purpose in mind could have been the creator of humans.


I suppose it's possible that we were created by aliens with some purpose in mind, but if so, we won't know the purpose unless they come and tell us.

First, way to post this and make us all look like cynical, if hilarious, jackasses.

Second, what are you talking about with Stigmata? This isn't a very widely held belief, and a majority of Christians are skeptical of such things. We've been given a religion where you don't shake or have big revelations. That's partially what Christ was talking about when he refused Satan's tempation in the desert to make the stones into bread. We don't GET manna from the sky anymore. We don't need to. That's Christ.

I'm a Christian, and i would dispute that. Miracles do still happen. I don't buy into the idea that God stopped doing the supernatural.

Yay! Compromise! :D I think I could actually answer this question.

The reason I haven't killed myself yet (ha!) can pretty much be summed up with one word: knowledge. I want to know as much as possible about everything and everyone. I want to investigate my own psyche aswell as other's and I want to be able to speak every language in the world (if only!) JUST so that I could acheive some form of higher understanding of other cultures.

I'd be inclined to agree here. I want to learn as much as I possibly can within my lifespan.

That, and my immense fear of death.
I don't have one of those...
How much do they cost?
:D
No, really, I'm more of the incredibly morbid sort. Death doesn't scare me, what scares me is existance.

We have no purpose. How do I know? It's simple, really:

For anything to have a purpose, it has to have been created by a reasonably intelligent entity.

The only reasonably intelligent entities on earth are humans and, possibly, monkeys and dolphins.

Monkeys and dolphins are incapable of creating human beings..
what about the mice?? they control everything, you know.


sorry - i couldn't help myself :p

Thats pretty self explanatory... i think anyway.
What is your purpose on this earth?

If I join the USMC like I plan to, my purpose will be to protect and defend my nation's intrests, and whatever I'm ordered to. And to destroy or kill whatever I'm ordered to. Having a slight effect on human history I feel. After my tours in the Corps, I'll be living relatively meaningless to the future of the world, but inportant to myself, family and loved ones. Probably Graphical Design or some kind of engineering/hands on metal work.

I don't have one of those...
How much do they cost?
:D
No, really, I'm more of the incredibly morbid sort. Death doesn't scare me, what scares me is existance.

I'm not afraid of what I might come to, heaven or hell or anything, but just...not existing really, really scares me. I can't explain why, really. It just gives my life a "then what the hell is the point" feeling. Hence the Zoloft.

to die.

I'm a Christian, and i would dispute that. Miracles do still happen. I don't buy into the idea that God stopped doing the supernatural.

I think he still interacts with the world, but I don't believe in faith healing, I don't believe in Stigmata (both are antithetical to Christian belief), I don't believe in speaking in tongues. Nothing that flashy. I don't think it works that way. Just my belief, of course. I could be wrong.

My uncle is handicapped, he dove into a wave and snapped his neck, he remembers his face dragging on the ground while he was slipping out of consciousness and all of the sudden a huge hand grabs him and pulls him out of the water and he says to the being i cant move, then the being says back to him"dont worry everything is going to be just fine" as my uncle describes his voice as "the most relaxing voice he has ever heard" the being(or angel perhaps) laid him on the beach and people come rushing up, my uncle asks where the man went, and they said they didnt see anyone.

Your uncle had just experienced severe physical trauma and was in shock. He was delusional. Quite rational actually.

P.S. - Sorry about your uncle.

Ah, anecdotal evidence. Is there anything it can't prove?

im sorry, but im getting alot of stupid answers

Honestly, thank goodness there are educators that have more patience then you because if they all had this much patience, there wouldn't be many people who could give the intelligent answers that you have received but don't know it yet! ;)

You are insulting individuals who you know next to nothing about and you are assuming that their answers are a product of stupidity when they seem to be a product of humour that you don't seem to be getting because you, once again, seem to be lacking the patience required.

As far as I am concerned, people are answering your question they way they want to, not the way *you* want them too which implies intelligence. If they were to all give the answer that you were looking for, (your version of what is an intelligent answer,) then I would question their intelligence because that is bordering on mechanical.

To sum up, please find yourself a choir to preach too. :)

Ah, anecdotal evidence. Is there anything it can't prove?

Math. I tried it once and failed that midterm.

Math. I tried it once and failed that midterm.

Yeah, but I met this guy at the fair once and he knew a guy who had used anecdotal evidence to solve a maths equation.

I think he still interacts with the world, but I don't believe in faith healing, I don't believe in Stigmata (both are antithetical to Christian belief), I don't believe in speaking in tongues. Nothing that flashy. I don't think it works that way. Just my belief, of course. I could be wrong.

Sorry, I've never seen Stigmata, so I have no idea how that works. But I do know few people involved with the "faith healing" idea, including one lady who no longer has diabetes. She was in the fairly advanced stages, and there is no medical expalnation for it.

I used to think about the same as you, but I didn't think that it was Biblical, just that I had never seen it before. Then I met some folks who showed me the Biblical basis, and I could see the results.

I think my purpose in life is simply to be as good a person as possible and to be free wherever i am. That is the purpose i chose for myself. I do believe in fate and destiny, but i also think we make choices. I just happen to believe that the choices we make are dictated by fate.

You're working from a false premise because god is a myth.

glad to see you have the balls to say it once i leave (and yes this is twodi... the other s/n i have)

Yeah, but I met this guy at the fair once and he knew a guy who had used anecdotal evidence to solve a maths equation.

Ah, touche! The perfect logic. :p

My purpose is to eat as much as possible, but not so much as to become fat.

Eat to live, do not live to eat!

Thats pretty self explanatory... i think anyway.
What is your purpose on this earth?

God has created man lofty and noble, made him a dominant factor in creation. He has specialized man with supreme bestowals, conferred upon him mind, perception, memory, abstraction and the powers of the senses. These gifts of God to man were intended to make him the manifestation of divine virtues, a radiant light in the world of creation, a source of life and the agency of constructiveness in the infinite fields of existence.

(Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 352)

Objective reality will never connect you with existence will it? So busy looking at everyone else that you don't know what's within your own heart? Like I said before in another thread, if you never make a decision, you will become nothing. What makes you a person is the decisions that have transformed and changed you into what you are. Poor soul is to busy criticizing others when he should be criticizing and changing himself. Some of you have souls that are already dead. You don't know what is true, because you never tested what is true. You can only go by the objective thoughts of somebody else looking at everyone else. Don't forget that you are in this world also. Wake up. You are here right now. That is all you can really be aware of totally.

Test your thoughts and bring them into the reality that is before us. Don't dwell in hypostatization.

To win, duh....
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/071103minusworld/1.html

The Primary Objective is to complete the Primary Objective.
Wow insightful.

collecting Nuts ees my purpose

Honestly, thank goodness there are educators that have more patience then you because if they all had this much patience, there wouldn't be many people who could give the intelligent answers that you have received but don't know it yet! ;)

You are insulting individuals who you know next to nothing about and you are assuming that their answers are a product of stupidity when they seem to be a product of humour that you don't seem to be getting because you, once again, seem to be lacking the patience required.

As far as I am concerned, people are answering your question they way they want to, not the way *you* want them too which implies intelligence. If they were to all give the answer that you were looking for, (your version of what is an intelligent answer,) then I would question their intelligence because that is bordering on mechanical.

To sum up, please find yourself a choir to preach too. :)
Having not read the rest of the discussion I can't justly take either side but your logic is flawed in that just because someone can come up with a unique answer does not make it intelligent. I in fact know quite a few people that can and will give you very off the wall answers but are as far from intelligent. I also know some who can and will argue any topic from any perspective and are extremely intelligence. So the point is that they have their own answers does not imply intelligence.

Sorry, I've never seen Stigmata, so I have no idea how that works. But I do know few people involved with the "faith healing" idea, including one lady who no longer has diabetes. She was in the fairly advanced stages, and there is no medical expalnation for it.

I used to think about the same as you, but I didn't think that it was Biblical, just that I had never seen it before. Then I met some folks who showed me the Biblical basis, and I could see the results.

Davistania: You claim that faith healing is not Biblical yet Jesus himaelf said that anything could be accomplished through faith the size of a mustard seed. I personally have had a teacher who's left leg was 1" shorter but during a Revival she was prayed for and had the leg grow to match her right leg. It was witnessed by in excess of 1000 people. I also have a famliy friend who was diagnossed and treated for AIDS over a period of years and a week after he was at another Revival his doctor gave him a clean bill of health. These 2 cases alone are enough for me but there are thousands more happening at every meeting held in Africa. I also speak in tongues and gained an insight to other languages, even those I have not studied even cursively.

Davistania: You claim that faith healing is not Biblical yet Jesus himaelf said that anything could be accomplished through faith the size of a mustard seed. I personally have had a teacher who's left leg was 1" shorter but during a Revival she was prayed for and had the leg grow to match her right leg. It was witnessed by in excess of 1000 people. I also have a famliy friend who was diagnossed and treated for AIDS over a period of years and a week after he was at another Revival his doctor gave him a clean bill of health. These 2 cases alone are enough for me but there are thousands more happening at every meeting held in Africa. I also speak in tongues and gained an insight to other languages, even those I have not studied even cursively.

Anything can be accomplished, in a sense. The point from that verse is not a literal translation. How many mountains have you moved? How many plants have you uprooted and sent into the sea? The point is that faith can move inner mountains. Christ is telling us to have great faith, and that faith can do powerful things.

As for anecdotes, I just have to say ok. There's a lot we don't understand, and it could really be God at work. As for curing AIDS, I'm still doubtful. I just don't know how that works. "Show me the nail marks, then I shall believe."

Thats pretty self explanatory... i think anyway.
What is your purpose on this earth?
My purpose?

To englighten the religious-right, and if they can't be educated, mock them.

Aside from that, find new ways to annoy my boyfriend, and waste my life playing mindless games and writign yaoi fanfiction!

collecting Nuts ees my purpose

How many squirrels are in your unit?

What's your operating frequency?

My purpose has been distorted greatly ever since I "heard" a message coming in on the official message line: "PRISM? Perelman here. The psych tests have all checked out at 100%, which means that you've recovered from the, ah, awakening without any trauma or other serious effects. We'll be ready to begin the simulation soon. By the way, your piece is in the current issue of Dakota Online."

But seriously, life has absolutely no purpose, but it doesn't mean we can't enjoy it. Stop worrying about whether there is an entity that created all nature, and just be in awe of nature itself. Simple as that.

Yes there is lots to life but ya know the guy who had the idea of the seed spreading isn't too far off. He didn't go into detail on how its done blah blah we all get the point but we all knwo thats true. Hes probably a typical happy joyful stress free life kinda guy cus he looks at everything in a simple way which is how everyone should see it. Look at everyone who makes life difficult they run into an endless list of problems and either end up OD'ing on drugs or slit their throats like the pyschotic pieces of shit they are. Seriously life is not that difficult. I don't know how waking up and going through a day can make anyone want to kill themselves.. ya know actually im starting to ramble here so im gonna wrap this up. As long as you're happy with the way your life is now theres no reason to go around screwing with crap messing everything up. One important rule that no one should forget, DON'T MESS WITH SUCCESS!!

I've read all of that... Took far too much time, I need to get more of a life.

Anyway, onto the point:

I've spent a great deal of time thinking about this, and I will be the first to admit that my thoughts are not impervious to my enviroment and the interactions with me, and the motivations, of the people around me. I have gone from Athiest, to Existentialist, to Christian.

The rational I use for Christianity is as follows:

1. Humans (at least as far as I have observed and understand) have instictive desires, one of these is the desire for a belief in a "higher being", that is a (or many) God(s).

2. Rationality breaks down when one realises that "I think therefor I am" is a belief structure, that is, I think the way in which I think is correct as it makes sense. Compare, as a way of understanding this how your thought processes work when you are drunk (or "stupid" people think) and how this "makes sense" to the drunk or idiot in question. I think therefore I am, as well as all logic and philosophical thought only makes sense aslong as you believe in thought, and hence is a belief structure with no more rational basis than (any other?) religion.

3. Once one allows oneself to understand that "belief" is about as far as we can rationally accept anything (even though we don't neccisarily believe in rationality) we can't get much further without believe in rationality. However, we now have a value for belief, and understand that just because we think something is true or false doesn't make it so. If we are to combine this with the basic desire to believe in a God we can go about looking at which "God" is the most rational to believe in.

4. Stigmata amoung other occurences or "signs" if you will (including the example above (sorry couldn't be bothered to read that account)) are consistent with documents that came about a long time ago. This'll do as evidence to investigate, and when one looks at events that are common place in evangelical churches yet supernatural outside we can establish the rational likelyhood of the Christian religion being a valid one.

I do not claim to have "the answer", this is just my rational (the closest I've come), and I believe in this religion, and God defines my perposes (hope he'll get back to me about that one soon ;P). For those who will undoubtedly take that out of context I believe God shows and guides me anyway, without having to "get back to me". Sorry - but some people are being really pedantic.

Further, please stop saying "We can't understand God's perpose" it pisses me off.

Sorry about the confused language, and thank you for your time,
Chris.

Bravo.

I think my purpose in life is simply to be as good a person as possible and to be free wherever i am. That is the purpose i chose for myself. I do believe in fate and destiny, but i also think we make choices. I just happen to believe that the choices we make are dictated by fate.
It's interesting how people's idea of what fate is varies. Some would say that fate means that we have no choices.

collecting Nuts ees my purpose
LOL :)

A full 25% of people experience hallucinations. What's so doubtfull about a hallucination? It's a lot easier to beleive than an immortal sky-wizard.


I see i cant toy with your unphasable logic and pessimism....(sarcasm)

I see i cant toy with your unphasable logic and pessimism....(sarcasm)
Evidence in favor of hallucinations:

1 They have been observed and studied
2 We know several mechanisms that cause them
3 We can induce them and experience them when we please

Evidence for god:

1 ?

glad to see you have the balls to say it once i leave (and yes this is twodi... the other s/n i have)
I'll say it in the presence or absence of any person.

Yes there is lots to life but ya know the guy who had the idea of the seed spreading isn't too far off. He didn't go into detail on how its done blah blah we all get the point but we all knwo thats true. Hes probably a typical happy joyful stress free life kinda guy cus he looks at everything in a simple way which is how everyone should see it. Look at everyone who makes life difficult they run into an endless list of problems and either end up OD'ing on drugs or slit their throats like the pyschotic pieces of shit they are. Seriously life is not that difficult. I don't know how waking up and going through a day can make anyone want to kill themselves.. ya know actually im starting to ramble here so im gonna wrap this up. As long as you're happy with the way your life is now theres no reason to go around screwing with crap messing everything up. One important rule that no one should forget, DON'T MESS WITH SUCCESS!!

Are you talking about me??? dont EVER make assumptions about people on this issue.

Evidence in favor of hallucinations:

1 They have been observed and studied
2 We know several mechanisms that cause them
3 We can induce them and experience them when we please

Evidence for god:

1 ?

sorry about that then, i was trying to give an example of a spiritual experience but obviously i cant stand up to the pessimistic viewpoints... but hey i've got somethin for you, suppose i am wrong about God.... ok and everything you say is true... so what we all go to nothingness and it doesnt matter, but suppose you're wrong, then you're in a whole new world of hurt.

Just somethin to think about.

My purpose has been distorted greatly ever since I "heard" a message coming in on the official message line: "PRISM? Perelman here. The psych tests have all checked out at 100%, which means that you've recovered from the, ah, awakening without any trauma or other serious effects. We'll be ready to begin the simulation soon. By the way, your piece is in the current issue of Dakota Online."

But seriously, life has absolutely no purpose, but it doesn't mean we can't enjoy it. Stop worrying about whether there is an entity that created all nature, and just be in awe of nature itself. Simple as that.

It is man's nature that cause us to wonder, and wonder about where this awe-causing nature came from... there has to be some form of intelligence involved with this meaningless life... and by intelligence yes i mean God

I'll say it in the presence or absence of any person.

but you didnt... but whatever i'll drop it

Thats pretty self explanatory... i think anyway.
What is your purpose on this earth?


To go back to london next year for new years and then do a semseter in england.


And have FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

Having not read the rest of the discussion I can't justly take either side but your logic is flawed in that just because someone can come up with a unique answer does not make it intelligent. I in fact know quite a few people that can and will give you very off the wall answers but are as far from intelligent. I also know some who can and will argue any topic from any perspective and are extremely intelligence. So the point is that they have their own answers does not imply intelligence.

Excellent point and we could carry this discussion further by debating "intelligence". Where does it begin? Where does it end?

Hindsight being 20/20 what I should've said was "I think people show more intelligence through unique answers then through just giving people the answers that they are looking for. Creativity vs. Mechanical thought. Ya know?

Excellent point and we could carry this discussion further by debating "intelligence". Where does it begin? Where does it end?

Hindsight being 20/20 what I should've said was "I think people show more intelligence through unique answers then through just giving people the answers that they are looking for. Creativity vs. Mechanical thought. Ya know?
Rather than "intelligence," I prefer to use the term "cognition." Cognition is demonstated in all life forms, from the lowest amoeba to genius-level humans. "Living systems are cognitive systems, and living as a process is a process of cognition. This statement is valid for all organisms, with and without a nervous system." - Humberto Maturana, neuroscientist.

So, cognition ( read "intelligence" ) is not unique to humans, or even to just so-called "higher life forms."

No one is born with a purpose.

No one is born with a purpose.
All living things are born with purpose.

riiiiight.

riiiiight.
I can ably defend that statement from a scientific perspective. Can you do the same with yours? :)

Satan created this planet to make us all suffer, the ones who believe in god are going to get it worst when they die. Our purpose is to amuse him.

"Let us hear the conlcusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl 12:13

Works for me.

"Let us hear the conlcusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl 12:13

Works for me.
It's good that you have found something in which you can believe. As for me, I no longer have that luxury.

Your purpose in life is to be afraid? That just sounds depressing.

Thanks to me living in the real world, I recognize that, if I want a purpose, I have to define one for myself, as they aren't a material thing, but purely subjective. My purposes, as defined by me, are to make those few people that I truly respect and care about as happy as humanly possible, to obtain knowledge, to have a lasting effect on how genre literature is viewed by the literary community, and to have my words or my name be one of the last thoughts on the mind of one of the last humans when the species, through design or natural cause, go blooey.

sorry about that then, i was trying to give an example of a spiritual experience but obviously i cant stand up to the pessimistic viewpoints... but hey i've got somethin for you, suppose i am wrong about God.... ok and everything you say is true... so what we all go to nothingness and it doesnt matter, but suppose you're wrong, then you're in a whole new world of hurt.

Just somethin to think about.

What's that supposed to be? Pascal's Threat? If religion operates on that sort of assumption I want nothing to do with it. And, presumably, an all-seeing, all-knowing deity would know if you worship out of genuine belief or just a desire to not be burned in the fires of hell (or whatever). If sincerity is at all important you'd still be screwed. If sincerity in worship isn't important then what's the bloody point?

What's that supposed to be? Pascal's Threat? If religion operates on that sort of assumption I want nothing to do with it. And, presumably, an all-seeing, all-knowing deity would know if you worship out of genuine belief or just a desire to not be burned in the fires of hell (or whatever). If sincerity is at all important you'd still be screwed. If sincerity in worship isn't important then what's the bloody point?
"Straight is the gate and narrow is the way and few there be who find it."

"Straight is the gate and narrow is the way and few there be who find it."

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Can someone please explain?

It's good that you have found something in which you can believe. As for me, I no longer have that luxury.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Your purpose in life is to be afraid? That just sounds depressing.

Not fear in that respect. Fear as in giving complete allegiance to and holding deep respect or awe for God.

Thats pretty self explanatory... i think anyway.
What is your purpose on this earth?

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sorry about that then, i was trying to give an example of a spiritual experience but obviously i cant stand up to the pessimistic viewpoints... but hey i've got somethin for you, suppose i am wrong about God.... ok and everything you say is true... so what we all go to nothingness and it doesnt matter, but suppose you're wrong, then you're in a whole new world of hurt.

Just somethin to think about.

And if you're both wrong and one of a disturbingly large number of other systems of belief is the right one, then you're both screwed. And if not, then they are all screwed despite being able to apply the same arguments as I've seen you use in this thread for your view to argue for their beliefs. You'd almost wish that God Allmighty (should that be Allmighty with a capital "A"?) would pop down more than once every two thousand years -or at least use less ambiguous miracles -to make sure misunderstandings were cleared up in before billions of people had lived out their lives in sin and heathendom.

sorry about that then, i was trying to give an example of a spiritual experience but obviously i cant stand up to the pessimistic viewpoints... but hey i've got somethin for you, suppose i am wrong about God.... ok and everything you say is true... so what we all go to nothingness and it doesnt matter, but suppose you're wrong, then you're in a whole new world of hurt.

Just somethin to think about.
ya but what if the hindus are right? you will be re-incarnated as a fruitfly.

what if the moslems are right, no virgins for YOU!

what if the ancient greeks are right? youll be just a shadow for eternity

what if the mormons are right? you better hope your kids baptise you by proxy!

what if the catholics are right? sorry, you burn for all eternity because you chose the wrong denomination of christianily.

are you seeing the problem yet?

if one's reader believes in god, then perhaps your points make sense. for us who are atheists, it is not persuasive to suggest that a mythical deity has a plan for us. life has no inherent purpose. it just IS and we have to learn to live it to its best potential.

It is man's nature that cause us to wonder, and wonder about where this awe-causing nature came from... there has to be some form of intelligence involved with this meaningless life... and by intelligence yes i mean God

What? No mention of the fact I gave a very obvious referance to a very famous text based adventure game? Yes, it is all right to question life and why we are here and the rest of it, but it destroys our very enjoyance of life. I can rest easily at night not caring if my life has purpose or whether when I die, that will be it, I just be. I may not exist at all. I could be a computer AI simulation and haven't realised it. It doesn't matter. I just enjoy this while it lasts.

I'm alive... I live... to safeguard the continuity of this great society. To serve Libria.

Anyone guess the movie thats from?