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I saw how succesful the Star Trek, Star Wars, 40K thread and decided to give this a try. This includes all the sub companies of each like MAX or Vertigo

No comic fans here I take it, oh well

Marvel, if only to piss a certain someone off.

Viva la DC!

Green Arrow, Batman, Superman, Count Vertigo, Flash, Green Lantern, and Martion Manhunter......

http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/heralds/graphics/galactus.GIF

http://www.super-herois.com.br/thanos.jpg

http://media.supereva.it/comics/marvel/xmen/onsl_big.gif

http://www.patelisentertainment.ca/images/forsale/comics/marvel/apocalypse.jpg

Sandman rules all.

Thus, Vertigo wins, putting DC on top.

Edit: Of course, Gaiman recently wrote a completely awesome comic for Marvel, so they might come close.

Personally I go with D.C. because of Sandman and the rest of the Endless, they probably wouldn't really get involved, but if they did they would win.

Marvel, if only to piss a certain someone off.

Please, the Justice League along with the rest of the DC Universe puts Marvel to shame.


Dr. Fate
Capt. Atom
Darkseid
Gorilla Grodd
Ra's Al Ghul

Plus we have the entire Green Lantern Corps.

Marvel would win, no question.

DC make shoes, and i dont know what Marvel does.

DC wins

Marvel would win, no question.
why

why

*shrug*

Marvel made the Transformers comic book.

http://www.navin.f9.co.uk/optimus1.jpg

I win.

Actualy, this has alrady been done.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1563892944/103-7360869-0154210?v=glance
http://omega.animefringe.com/dcevents/Event_Dcmarvel.html

If the two universes fought each other to the death both would be destroyed and all of existance would end. IN other words, a tie.

Batman, then Megman, then Optimus Prime. Screw who made them.

Actualy, this has alrady been done.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1563892944/103-7360869-0154210?v=glance
http://omega.animefringe.com/dcevents/Event_Dcmarvel.html

If the two universes fought each other to the death both would be destroyed and all of existance would end. IN other words, a tie.
Yeah I have read some of those. but they always seem to be rules preventing a no holds bared match off.

If we kept all the various "infinities" -immortals, deities, nigh-omnipotents, etc. out of it (Calling the Green Lantern the cutoff point- you can argue as much as you like whether he's omnipotent or technically omnipotent), it's DC.

The only way anyone'd be able to even hold their own against the Martian Manhunter (and there are plenty about his strength) is if Prof X/another comparable psychic tore apart each of their minds one by one. This may not be QUITE impossible to do logisitcally with Shadowcat keeping them distracted, though it exceeds plausibility.

However, if he so much as took a peak into Booster Gold's ego, he'd curl into a fetal position and cry. Batman's bitter enough that X'd need months of rehabilitation afterwards (yes, he's personally seen worse than Bat has, but he's also a good person. He hasn't seen anyone half that nutso-spiteful inside.)

With two people who'd auto-out the psychics, they'd hafta win.

Personally I go with D.C. because of Sandman and the rest of the Endless, they probably wouldn't really get involved, but if they did they would win.
I think Eternity, Death, Order, Chaos, Galactus and the Celestials might have something to say about that...DC isn't the only company with ludicrously powerful, god-like beings...

DC. Batman always wins. It's the law.

If we kept all the various "infinities" -immortals, deities, nigh-omnipotents, etc. out of it (Calling the Green Lantern the cutoff point- you can argue as much as you like whether he's omnipotent or technically omnipotent), it's DC.

The only way anyone'd be able to even hold their own against the Martian Manhunter (and there are plenty about his strength) is if Prof X/another comparable psychic tore apart each of their minds one by one. This may not be QUITE impossible to do logisitcally with Shadowcat keeping them distracted, though it exceeds plausibility.

However, if he so much as took a peak into Booster Gold's ego, he'd curl into a fetal position and cry. Batman's bitter enough that X'd need months of rehabilitation afterwards (yes, he's personally seen worse than Bat has, but he's also a good person. He hasn't seen anyone half that nutso-spiteful inside.)

With two people who'd auto-out the psychics, they'd hafta win.
While I would argue that constantly having to balance Wolverine out would really give Prof. X the experience needed for a rather textbook case of Batman, I have to agree overall that the DC universe would win in a brawl, and it has a lot to do with the difference between Golden Age and Silver Age comic philosophy.

Golden Age comics, from which most of the DC universe is spawned, is a Clash of the Titans, the unstoppable force of good against the unrelenting power of evil in a struggle of the ages. Even the troubled characters (Batman) are mythic in proportion.

Silver Age comics, which Marvel draws it's base from, problematised(sp) the idea of super-hero and the notion of that hero's role. Spiderman isn't a great character because he can do whatever a spider can, he's a great character because of those six words from his Uncle, "With great power comes great responsability." He's not Spiderman because he wants to be, he's Spiderman because he has to be. (granted Superman couldn't stop being Superman anytime soon, but you get the idea)

Now while in the last 40 years DC has begun to explore the problems inherent in being a superhero, they are the problems that are inherent in being a titan (they even have the title Teen Titans). At their very base they are 'larger' and in that respect DC is gains the edge in a brawl.

This is not ment to imply one is greater than the other. While when I was a kid it was 'make mine Marvel,' I now realise that both publishers can put out some great material. And since most writers are freelance these days the good writers end up working for both, so there is no need to choose.

Unless The Beyonder is involved. I don't know that DC has an answer for that dude.

I put my money, what little I have, on Marvel.

If we kept all the various "infinities" -immortals, deities, nigh-omnipotents, etc. out of it (Calling the Green Lantern the cutoff point- you can argue as much as you like whether he's omnipotent or technically omnipotent), it's DC.

The only way anyone'd be able to even hold their own against the Martian Manhunter (and there are plenty about his strength) is if Prof X/another comparable psychic tore apart each of their minds one by one. This may not be QUITE impossible to do logisitcally with Shadowcat keeping them distracted, though it exceeds plausibility.

However, if he so much as took a peak into Booster Gold's ego, he'd curl into a fetal position and cry. Batman's bitter enough that X'd need months of rehabilitation afterwards (yes, he's personally seen worse than Bat has, but he's also a good person. He hasn't seen anyone half that nutso-spiteful inside.)

With two people who'd auto-out the psychics, they'd hafta win.
hasnt he ever been in magneto's mind? im sure thats a nice place

Do people think any of the Marvel heavy-hitters could take down Supedupman? Hulk, Juggernaut, Thor, Silver Surfer etc.

Do people think any of the Marvel heavy-hitters could take down Supedupman? Hulk, Juggernaut, Thor, Silver Surfer etc.
Apparently, and he isn't even the most powerful person in DC comics, that would probably be Lucifer from the Sandman comics and the Lucifer comic. Could some of the Marvel suporters give reasons why they think Marvel would win?

Do people think any of the Marvel heavy-hitters could take down Supedupman? Hulk, Juggernaut, Thor, Silver Surfer etc.
takes one person, mister fantastic. superman is a joke v green kryptonite

takes one person, mister fantastic. superman is a joke v green kryptonite
Yes but Lucifer could beat Mr. Fantastic. And what does Mr. Fantastic have to do with Green Kryptonite?

Yes but Lucifer could beat Mr. Fantastic. And what does Mr. Fantastic have to do with Green Kryptonite?
hes a flippnig genius, he would know to go get some and kick supermans ass

hes a flippnig genius, he would know to go get some and kick supermans ass
Good point but Superman has a lead suit for such cases.

Good point but Superman has a lead suit for such cases.
and mr fantastic is elasticy

The superhero trinity of comics consists of Superman, Spiderman, and Batman (a comic Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). No other Superhero comes close to those three in tradition, popularity, and long term following.

Superman and Batman are DC, Spiderman is Marvel. So, the question is, does Spiderman trump the other two?

well hes smart, so he wuld be able to disable superman with kryptonite, and he has superpowers unlike batman does, so yes, yes he would

The superhero trinity of comics consists of Superman, Spiderman, and Batman (a comic Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). No other Superhero comes close to those three in tradition, popularity, and long term following.

Superman and Batman are DC, Spiderman is Marvel. So, the question is, does Spiderman trump the other two?
Whats popularity got to due with it we are talking which would kill the other
not whose sories are beter.

well hes smart, so he wuld be able to disable superman with kryptonite, and he has superpowers unlike batman does, so yes, yes he would
Your forgeting the lead suit again.

Your forgeting the lead suit again.
no one cares about the damn leadsuit, spiderman is smart and bad ass

Whats popularity got to due with it we are talking which would kill the other
not whose sories are beter.

I guess I got that idea from looking at your poll:

"Whic(h) is bet(t)er, inc(lu)ding sub-companies"

Dude, X-Men. Nuff said.

I guess I got that idea from looking at your poll:

"Whic(h) is bet(t)er, inc(lu)ding sub-companies"
Whoops sorry I worded that poorly I ment who would win in a fight between the two I got the Idea from the Star Wars Star Trek Thread that was going on. Anyway I would agree with you on the Stories bit Marvel superheroes are more charecterful.
Does anyone know if it is possible to change this?

PS Sorry about the typos to I hate typing on this labtop it keeps skiping every few letters.

The flagship popular characters battled in a company collaborative mini-series a few years ago. The winners were decided by fan votes. Let's see if I remember this right....

Superman pounded the Hulk into a mountain. Superman wins.

The Flash completely b*tched Quicksilver.

Spider-man fried Superboy.

Batman barely squeaked out a win on Captain America.

Thor took control of the magic lightning to beat Captain Marvel.

Wolverine kicked Lobo's butt in a what amounted to a bar brawl.

The Silver Surver power cosmiced Green Lantern unconcious.

Wonder Woman beat the snot out of Storm.

These are the only ones I can recall offhand, when all was said and done, Marvel won by 1 victory.

they had Marvel vs. DC. where the readers voted.

results Marvel Won.

Wolverine vs. Lobo
Storm vs. Wonder Woman
Hulk vs. Superman
Capt. America vs. Batman
Thor vs. Capt. Marvel
Elecktra vs. Catwoman
Jubilee vs. Robin
QuickSilver vs. Flash
Namor vs. Aquaman
Spiderman vs. Superboy
Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern

Underlined were the winners.

Readers voted and Marvel won.

I stand corrected RE: Wonder Woman v. Storm.

they had Marvel vs. DC. where the readers voted.

results Marvel Won.

Wolverine vs. Lobo
Storm vs. Wonder Woman
Hulk vs. Superman
Capt. America vs. Batman
Thor vs. Capt. Marvel
Elecktra vs. Catwoman
Jubilee vs. Robin
QuickSilver vs. Flash
Namor vs. Aquaman
Spiderman vs. Superboy
Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern

Underlined were the winners.

Readers voted and Marvel won.
Hulk vs Superman?
I think Thor would be a better match. Both are supercillious 'noble' pricks.
I'm tending towards DC, cause they made their guys ultra-powerful.
As stated earlier, Marvel developed most of their guys (and girls) when it was the thing to have weaknesses. So DC have Flash who can run so fast he can vibrate through walls and Marvel has Quicksilver who can out-run a bullet.
No contest.
Likewise with most of the DC heroes.
I'm surprised why no-one has mentioned the Fantastic Four.

No, wait. I do know. Cause they're shite.

However I think a better contest would be between DC/Marvel supervillians. Who'd win THAT battle?


The superhero trinity of comics consists of Superman, Spiderman, and Batman (a comic Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). No other Superhero comes close to those three in tradition, popularity, and long term following.
Excuse me, but what about Judge Dredd?
He'd find a way to take out all three. He kicked Batman's butt I seem to recall (in the classic Bisley drawn 'Judgement on Gotham').
He shoot Spiderman for being a mutant and find someway to take down Superman, even if it meant nuking a city. He's done that on two ocassions.
No-one does bad-ass like Dredd.

Marvel.

Silver Surfer could easily whipe the floor with the entire Green Lantern corps (damn that yellow energy).

Onslaught/Xavier Pretty much owns any of DC's weak ass telepaths.

Between the X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, and Spiderman, you can pretty much counter any move on the part of a DC character. The JL and Legion would get pwned like the bunch of old farts they are.

My only concerns would be Superman (since noone in Marvel would know his weakness, and only a few have his number of advantages) and Batman (Because noone can take Batman). I think though that between Pheonix, Havoc, and Juggernaut, you got old supes with or without Kryptonite. Batman would likely require a massive tag team though, probably all of the Avengers, X-men, and Daredevil/Spiderman.

Lex Luthor would beat Doom. But he would be more likely to insinuate himself on the Marvel side and not have to worry about the fight.

Batman finds a way to beat you.

A few years ago in the JLA books there was a story called "The Tower of Babel."

Batman had secret files detailing how to beat each and every member of the JLA. Ra's Al-Ghul managed to steal the files and took all of them out but Batman.

Batman is scary.

Batman always wins. Yep. Irritatingly but true.

However, another person that always wins is also Thanos. Though at the end of winning, he gets bored and lets himself be defeated.

But Thanos is on a different scale. Probably Darkseid would be his equal.. But Thanos is Much much much much much much more smarter.

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The problem about DC, is that they don't have the most POWERFUL being in the universe properly written out.

They kept on going "Spectre" is the UTMOST powerful. But Spectre IMO is chicken shit. His abilities is never standardised. Some days he can recreate the universe.. Another day, he's on the street fighting crime looking for the poor little girl who lost her mother.

However, The Living Tribunal. Now.. Thats like the GOD OF GOD's for Marvel Universe. At least he's the only Unshakable being that everybody knows he is the UTMOST powerful. The universe and all it's realms would collapse at the single thought of it.

They each tell different kind of stories. Marvel has a more realistic feeling. Most of the stories revolve around the characters in the costume, not the costumed character. Ex. Daredevil's story for the past couple of years barely has Matt Murdock in costume. It's the story about what's happening to Matt. That little personal touch seems to make Marvel's stories better.

This does not include the 90s X-men stories. Those were crap.

But then again Y The Last Man is phenom.

i hate captain america so i voted D.C.

Batman always wins. Yep. Irritatingly but true.

However, another person that always wins is also Thanos. Though at the end of winning, he gets bored and lets himself be defeated.

But Thanos is on a different scale. Probably Darkseid would be his equal.. But Thanos is Much much much much much much more smarter.

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The problem about DC, is that they don't have the most POWERFUL being in the universe properly written out.

They kept on going "Spectre" is the UTMOST powerful. But Spectre IMO is chicken shit. His abilities is never standardised. Some days he can recreate the universe.. Another day, he's on the street fighting crime looking for the poor little girl who lost her mother.

However, The Living Tribunal. Now.. Thats like the GOD OF GOD's for Marvel Universe. At least he's the only Unshakable being that everybody knows he is the UTMOST powerful. The universe and all it's realms would collapse at the single thought of it.


Don't forger the Infinity Gauntlet. Even The Living Tribunal fears the united power of the Infinity Gems.

Don't forger the Infinity Gauntlet. Even The Living Tribunal fears the united power of the Infinity Gems.

[Geek Moment]Man, the most awesome issue of What If? was the one where Silver Surfer found and wore the Infinity Gauntlet and used it to take over the universe. That rocked![/Geek Moment]

But uh...yeah...Batman rules. He's the one I, as a Marvel supporter, would be worried about.

The Endless would still be able to (although they most likely wouldn't) destroy all Marvel characters. Of course, that is assuming that their involvement is written in Destiny's book...

The Endless would still be able to (although they most likely wouldn't) destroy all Marvel characters. Of course, that is assuming that their involvement is written in Destiny's book...
Thats my logic