NationStates Jolt Archive

I've noticed some trends, and they don't make sense to me. So, I'm testing a hypothesis here.

Coll what is it??

Sorry totaly ignore me didnt see the pole. :) :)

Why no "I'm neither, and both are the scum of the universe" option?

I'm a Socialist and I think authoritarianism is a plague on mankind. I don't particularly mind economic conservatism, but I cannot stand for government intolerance and totalitarianism.

Where's the button for "I'm authoritarian and everybody not under my thumb is worst"?

Why no "I'm neither, and both are the scum of the universe" option?
Well, you can hold that belief consistently with either of the "neither" votes. I'm just curious which one is worse from your point of view.

I'm a left-leaning extremist/anti-extremist and everything needs significant improvement.

Well, you can hold that belief consistently with either of the "neither" votes. I'm just curious which one is worse from your point of view.

But I think that the Republicans and Democrats are equally heinous for different reasons.

I want to vote, but their's no "I want to slay all politicians with my shovel of rightous vengence."

Where's the button for "I'm authoritarian and everybody not under my thumb is worst"?

First of all, the Rolling Stones would not like that.

Second of all, there should be a You forgot Poland option.

Where's the button for "I'm authoritarian and everybody not under my thumb is worst"?
That would be neither, and whichever one is least under your thumb is worse. I can't say which one is least under your thumb, but that's all I'm interested in.

I'm a Socialist and I think authoritarianism is a plague on mankind. I don't particularly mind economic conservatism, but I cannot stand for government intolerance and totalitarianism.

Yeah, man. Hey, ever think how we're really made of atoms? Well what if we're atoms to someone else? Like our entire solar system is a proton or electron or whatever, man. Whoa.

But I think that the Republicans and Democrats are equally heinous for different reasons.
Well, that's unfortunate for my purposes.

That would be neither, and whichever one is least under your thumb is worse. I can't say which one is least under your thumb, but that's all I'm interested in.

Oh, no. They're all the worst. And the more you argue, the more worst you're gettin'.

Well, that's unfortunate for my purposes.

Fine. Republicans are worse, because they're currently in power. But that's the only reason.

I am libertarian, of the type that says: "They are free to starve". For me any form of government that goes beyond crime control is the worst.

I'm libertarian and Republicans are WORSE. Democrats can be bad too, but Republican are worse. WE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR FREEDOM!!!!

Yeah, man. Hey, ever think how we're really made of atoms? Well what if we're atoms to someone else? Like our entire solar system is a proton or electron or whatever, man. Whoa.
Hey Ive wondered that too

I'm libertarian and Republicans are WORSE. Democrats can be bad too, but Republican are worse. WE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR FREEDOM!!!!

Shouldn't that be "I NEED TO TAKE BACK MY FREEDOM", because who are you to tell me what I ought to take back.

did you mean to use "worst" instead of "worse"?

Hey Ive wondered that too

It's like we're on the same wavelength. I hear if you play Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" while you read, "The Communist Manifesto", it totally lines up. Anyone else try this?

I dunno, when it comes to whos more blood thirsty I'v got to hand it to democrats, Veitnam was much worse than any war the republicans ever started. maybe 40 years from know the republicans will be the nicer of the two again.

did you mean to use "worst" instead of "worse"?

If you are referring to my post, then yes. I wanted the superlative not the comparative. Admittedly I should have added a noun phrase on the end to make it grammatically correct, but this is just a forum, not a viva voce exam.

I'm libertarian, and all other of them are worse!

They're all too authoritarian for my liking

I'm a libertarian, but I don't think that the Demoocrats and Republicans are distinct enough to say which is worse

did you mean to use "worst" instead of "worse"?
No, I didn't. I left out a lot of political ideologies, and I wouldn't presume that the choices I gave are necessarily the worst. I just wanted to know which was worse between the two that I gave for each category.

I'm a Republican, and I think Democrats are authoritarian :p

All of them. They all are bad. They always lock into one system of doctrine and compromise. All of them are lemmings.

Democrats and Republics are both fairly similar. I don't really like either of them.

But I think that the Republicans and Democrats are equally heinous for different reasons.

Agreed.

what about anarchist?

what about anarchist?
Are you a democrat or republican? If not, then you're neither. Sneaky, huh?

i suppose ideologically both republican and democrat viewpoints are to be equally respected, however i often find right-wing republican ethics to be repulsive and their policies irresponsible. in a way, they are 'worse'.

I'm a libertarian, but I don't think that the Demoocrats and Republicans are distinct enough to say which is worse

there are a few key differences between them - mainly to do with rhetoric. it is ok for republicans to openly admit that they are going to start a war of aggression, but in public democrats have to claim that there is some sort of legitimate reason.

really it depends on which you consider worse: somebody who tells you how much they are going to fuck you over before they do, or somebody who sometimes whispers sweet nothings to you first.

Are we voting on what the parties say they stand for or what the parties actually stand for? Because if it's the former, the Republicans might be an electron beter, but if it's the latter then they can both burn happily without me peeing on them.

Are we voting on what the parties say they stand for or what the parties actually stand for? Because if it's the former, the Republicans might be an electron beter, but if it's the latter then they can both burn happily without me peeing on them.
It's for what the parties stand for.

I'm a Democrat, but that's for a lack of better options. I used to be Republican like my parents, but then I took a political science class. :p I don't vote straight-ticket democrat all the time, but I will absolutely NEVER vote for a Republican from the South unless things down here dramaticly change.

Niether, I'm not American or right wing.

Heh, look. No one likes republicans. :p

Heh, look. No one likes republicans. :p
Well, I think a lot of that is people who aren't from the U.S. That's O.K., though; it wasn't really the point. People just complain when they don't have an option.

Aww, it's another America-centric poll.

*exits stage left*

Aww, it's another America-centric poll.

*exits stage left*
Sorry. I hate to do it, but it just happens to be what is most relevant to me and to my particular theory.

Sorry. I hate to do it, but it just happens to be what is most relevant to me and to my particular theory.

Heh, doesn't really bother.

Though you could have made it "I'm a leftist and the political right is worse"

But what the hell :)

Heh, doesn't really bother.

Though you could have made it "I'm a leftist and the political right is worse"

But what the hell :)
Well, I was trying to avoid the terms 'left' and 'right', since they don't entail a specific set of beliefs. From my perspective, gun control would be a rightist ideal. Also, some people use 'left' and 'right' to refer only to the economic scale.

Well, I was trying to avoid the terms 'left' and 'right', since they don't entail a specific set of beliefs. From my perspective, gun control would be a rightist ideal. Also, some people use 'left' and 'right' to refer only to the economic scale.

Yeah, I refer to it solely on economic scale. I don't think there is a "left" and a "right" socially, because social libertarianism/authoritarianism is compatible with all economic leanings.

(Though I wouldn't consider the Democrats "left" even economically, so I see how it wouldn't really work.)

Yeah, I refer to it solely on economic scale. I don't think there is a "left" and a "right" socially, because social libertarianism/authoritarianism is compatible with all economic leanings.

(Though I wouldn't consider the Democrats "left" even economically, so I see how it wouldn't really work.)
I follow the diagram of the "world's smallest political quiz". It's shaped like a diamond. The Libertarian Party would be at the top. If you believe that the government should control social aspects of society, then you move down and to the right. If you believe that the government should control economic aspects of society, then you move down and to the left. Thus, Democrats, besides gun control, would be on the left. Republicans, besides gun control, would be on the right. Authoritarians are straight down.

I follow the diagram of the "world's smallest political quiz". It's shaped like a diamond. The Libertarian Party would be at the top.

doesn't that strike you as the least bit odd - almost as if they are taking advantage of certain perceptual connotations for cheap point scoring? nah, couldn't be.

I follow the diagram of the "world's smallest political quiz". It's shaped like a diamond. The Libertarian Party would be at the top. If you believe that the government should control social aspects of society, then you move down and to the right. If you believe that the government should control economic aspects of society, then you move down and to the left. Thus, Democrats, besides gun control, would be on the left. Republicans, besides gun control, would be on the right. Authoritarians are straight down.

Yeah, I know it and that's how I figure it too. :)

Though doesn't the US Libertarian party have a "minimal tax and government" policy? That would place them more to the right of the political spectrum.

The notion that there are only two sides in american politics is the worst ideology.

Come on americans, don't let them fool you anymore. :)

The notion that there are only two sides in american politics is the worst ideology.

Come on americans, don't let them fool you anymore. :)
I would never suggest such a thing. That's actually my point.

The ideal Democrat should agree with an Authoritarian about half the time and should never agree with a Republican. The ideal Republican should agree with an Authoritarian about half the time and should never agree with a Democrat. However, for some reason, a lot of them find the thought of an Authoritarian even worse. I think this suggests that they're a lot more Libertarian than they admit, even on this forum, where the word Libertarian is quite common.

We don't have those political movements in Europe.
When I describe my political views to an american I often say I'm a left-liberal.
btw Liberal means centrist over here. In USA it is a misunderstood word.
And there are authoritarians and "freedom" movements both to the left and the right in Europe.

Are you yourself a libertarian?

The key is to cherry pick the best ideas of both parties while discarding the worst...easier said than done, I realize. Centrism just gets you run over in the USA these days....

I'm a somewhat conservative moderate (I called myself a republican up until I first heard Dubya talk), and, at present, I consider the American republican party to be the worse of the two major parties. They're increasingly religion-dominated, which sorta sucks for an agnostic atheist (George Sr. doesn't even consider me a citizen, whee), they're visibly evil in many cases (Democrats tend more towards selfish and insane, rather than actually malicious), they're increasingly bigoted (trying to change the bloody constitution...), they're a bunch of bloody McCarthyists these days (Count the number of times some jackass has screamed 'commie' on here without due cause)... and they're not even conservative anymore: Instead, they want to add a dozen bloody laws every few minutes.

The only thing positive with them anymore is that they support gun ownership, which, franly, the democrats have always been foolish for trying to toss, because they're the most likely group to NEED it, since the republicans more or less run the army.

That said, people in power almost always end up being a bunch of worthless piles. Those that aren't in need of being shot aren't able to get that far because the pricks stop them: Notice McCain, a relatively sane republican, was tossed aside in favor of Dubya.

The only thing positive with them anymore is that they support gun ownership, which, franly, the democrats have always been foolish for trying to toss, because they're the most likely group to NEED it, since the republicans more or less run the army.

incidently, this is probably a large part why the fascist-leaning republicans don't care to muck around trying to ban guns.

See? The left is always calling the right "fascists", while the right enjoys labeling the left "commies". Ain't gonna get nowhere doing that. :rolleyes:

Here is what I like about the poll:

20 voters claimed to be Democrats. Of them 12 of them said Authoritarians are worse than Republicans, meaning the majority would rather have a republican in power than an authoritarian.

22 voters claimed to be Republicans. Of them 9 of them said that Authoritarians are worse than Democrats, meaning the majority would rather have an an authoritarian in power than a democrat.

Does that symbolize anything to anybody else?

I'm Neither.. And IMO, worse ideology for me would be anarchist.. It's utter mayhem. Yesh yesh.. the usual "IF's People were smart and all act the same thinking logically and avoid conflict by talking things out".

However people aren't!

See? The left is always calling the right "fascists", while the right enjoys labeling the left "commies". Ain't gonna get nowhere doing that. :rolleyes:

i don't use the term fascist lightly - the neocon and 'religious right' wings of the republican party come pretty damn close to being fascists. and calling me a commie wouldn't technically be wrong, as long as you prefix it with an anarcho.