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Heres my aim.

1. What is society saying.
2. What good will come of it.
3. What changes are needed.

Please, in all seriousness, I'm curious if there are any people that use their brain.

What is the purpose of this thread? You don't ask a question or pose a debate. All you really do is make fun of all our intelligences.

What is the purpose of this thread? You don't ask a question or pose a debate. All you really do is make fun of all our intelligences.


Dont do that, it puts a negative tone, and no im not making fun of all you all's intellect, i just dont want pointless and irrelevant posts.

Dont do that, it puts a negative tone, and no im not making fun of all you all's intellect, i just dont want pointless and irrelevant posts.

Then what is the purpose of this thread?

Dont do that, it puts a negative tone, and no im not making fun of all you all's intellect, i just dont want pointless and irrelevant posts.

It's not pointless. Your starting post makes little sense and is very vague.

What is this thread meant to be about?

what is society saying about what?
there are a lot of thing that society says but you didn't say exactly what you want to discuss.

Then what is the purpose of this thread?

I thought I had laid it out fairly clearly but i guess i have to give an example. In my mind society says, money money money. Heres the ideal life for society...
-Go to school and study hard, develop good study habits so you can...
-Go to college and study hard, so that you can...
-Get a good job so that you can....
-Make lots of money so that you can...
-Find a good wife and have good kids and impress the people in your neighborhood so that you can...
-Retire with lots of money so that you can...
-Go on vacations and spoil your grandkids so that you can...
-Get buried in the ground and be thought of nothing more than some dead guy who gave his grandkids money.

Thats what i mean, now if any of you think differently or agree or have any type of opinion please dont hesitate to say. I didnt answer the whole question because i just wanted to give you all an idea.

Sorry about that i hadnt realized i had to do babysteps, all i want to know is what you think society wants us to do... in life... in everything... thats why i left it fairly generalized so that theres plenty of room for discussion.

All i was waiting for was someone to spark the conversation... i guess i have to do that.

Society says: eat the brain and heart of your foe and you add his strength to your own. Oh, you meant our society?

I think you answered your first question (from a certain perspective at least)
as to you second question, why does any good have to come of it. and too your third question, People should change for themselves, if they want too.

I've left my response vague so as too bore the hell out of people. I am not at all commited to what I just said. If you can be bothered to tear it to shreds, feel free!

Sorry about that i hadnt realized i had to do babysteps, all i want to know is what you think society wants us to do... in life... in everything... thats why i left it fairly generalized so that theres plenty of room for discussion.

All i was waiting for was someone to spark the conversation... i guess i have to do that.

It's not necessarily babysteps. We just didn't have the same thing in mind as you. You could have been talking about an aspect of society, such as the media, for example.


Anyway, I think it all depends. Society is WAY too complex to be able to plainly say what it 'wants'. How do you think sociologists justify not getting a proper job? :)

that's the society of america i was talking about but yes, and i want to hear your opinion theres no right and wrong answer...

It's not necessarily babysteps. We just didn't have the same thing in mind as you. You could have been talking about an aspect of society, such as the media, for example.


Anyway, I think it all depends. Society is WAY too complex to be able to plainly say what it 'wants'. How do you think sociologists justify not getting a proper job? :)


People on welfare... alot of them are too lazy to go out and get a job, so for them welfare is free money and they dont need to find one while the rest of the working force goes out and pays for them to sit around and be lazy. But parents tell their kids, if you want to do something you can, nothing is impossible, which in theory it is not, unfortunately most men or women do not have the drive to do what is necessary to have a "proper job" and yes there are those that are screwed over in some cases, but two good points come in, do not ever regret and dont give up.

People on welfare... alot of them are too lazy to go out and get a job, so for them welfare is free money and they dont need to find one while the rest of the working force goes out and pays for them to sit around and be lazy. But parents tell their kids, if you want to do something you can, nothing is impossible, which in theory it is not, unfortunately most men or women do not have the drive to do what is necessary to have a "proper job" and yes there are those that are screwed over in some cases, but two good points come in, do not ever regret and dont give up.

Dude, I was making a joke about sociology. It's the study of society, I was suggesting that it wasn't a proper job.

I think you answered your first question (from a certain perspective at least)
as to you second question, why does any good have to come of it. and too your third question, People should change for themselves, if they want too.

I've left my response vague so as too bore the hell out of people. I am not at all commited to what I just said. If you can be bothered to tear it to shreds, feel free!

Sounds like fun... umm the second question... people always want good to come of something, unless someone is psychologically messed up, people always want good to happen, and change for the better is beneficial, its just a matter of who takes charge and if people are satisfied with being shallow and materialisitic yes that is their choice, but in YOUR mind what needs to be done... good gosh i never thought it would be so hard to express your own opinion, and i've never seen anyone so pacifist in my life.

Dude, I was making a joke about sociology. It's the study of society, I was suggesting that it wasn't a proper job.


Oh ok, i thought you were posting something relevant and worthy of debate... my bad i thought too much of you.

Heres my aim.

1. What is society saying.
2. What good will come of it.
3. What changes are needed.

Please, in all seriousness, I'm curious if there are any people that use their brain.

1. Society cannot speak.
2. Society is neither good nor bad.
3. Society cannot be changed.

Oh ok, i thought you were posting something relevant and worthy of debate... my bad i thought too much of you.

You are a little pissant aren't you. Do you purposefully ruin your own threads as an experiment?

You are a little pissant aren't you. Do you purposefully ruin your own threads as an experiment?


No, i just dont enjoy that kind of a joke, when i have spent time to come up with a logical answer and then he shrugs it off b/c he didnt mean anything by it in the first place.

Please someone will you tell me what you think of your society or people around you in your society. Something serious please.

Sounds like fun... umm the second question... people always want good to come of something, unless someone is psychologically messed up, people always want good to happen, and change for the better is beneficial, its just a matter of who takes charge and if people are satisfied with being shallow and materialisitic yes that is their choice, but in YOUR mind what needs to be done... good gosh i never thought it would be so hard to express your own opinion, and i've never seen anyone so pacifist in my life.

I'm not a pacifist, Although I did protest against the Iraq war!

I suspect you mean apathetic. Not really, just very tired and stressed.

1. Society cannot speak.
2. Society is neither good nor bad.
3. Society cannot be changed.


Um... too vague please specify... because frankly that makes little sense.

I'm not a pacifist, Although I did protest against the Iraq war!

I suspect you mean apathetic. Not really, just very tired and stressed.


Now tell me, what has caused that.

1. What is society saying.

If you have to ask, you'll never know. Funky mothafuckas will not be told to go.

2. What good will come of it.

No good will ever come of society. Especially the Society for Creative Anachronism. Though the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has good intentions and the American Cancer Society does nice work, it will never top all the horrible things people have done in the name of "society".

3. What changes are needed.

If you see anyone using a fake English accent and carrying a plastic sword, shoot them.

I'm curious if there are any people that use their brain.

No ... not even you. People even only breathe when the little men who live inside their lungs bounce up and down. The brain is merely energy storage for the Matrix.

No, i just dont enjoy that kind of a joke, when i have spent time to come up with a logical answer and then he shrugs it off b/c he didnt mean anything by it in the first place.

Please someone will you tell me what you think of your society or people around you in your society. Something serious please.

But I did mean something by it. If you carefully read through my short post, you may realise that I was making the point that society is very complex. You can't just summarise society.

Now tell me, what has cause that.

I walked right into that one, didn't I!!!

I've got an exam on monday, and if I don't do well, I won't be able to get a good job and.....

..... get buried in the ground. (Is this because cremations are cheaper and so people who didn't do well at school can afford them?)

*sigh*(keruvalia)

I walked right into that one, didn't I!!!

I've got an exam on monday, and if I don't do well, I won't be able to get a good job and.....

..... get buried in the ground. (Is this because cremations are cheaper and so people who didn't do well at school can afford them?)


Find something to live for, thats what i was trying to say through that post.

Find something to live for, thats what i was trying to say through that post.

I'm not unhappy in my studies, I like what I study. I just find exams stressful and revision tiring. I don't mind, it's only for a few days!

I'm not unhappy in my studies, I like what I study. I just find exams stressful and revision tiring. I don't mind, it's only for a few days!


Glad to see your optimism.

*sigh*(keruvalia)

Well, hey ... ask a stupid question ....

Well, hey ... ask a stupid question ....

I dont think it was exactly a stupid question, it's a very serious issue and most people are run by it, so if you categorize this as an irrelevant issue then you've got some things to smooth out.

Glad to see your optimism.

No I CelebrityFrogs! He's optimism *points* (I realise that the grammatical error is mine)

On the subject of what society says: F**k 'em. I don't care about conformity. I do what I want to do, while taking into consideration my friends and family, and seeing to my survival needs!

Aren't we lucky to live in a society with enough money, to question the validity of making money!

There's no real arguement here, just a couple of thoughts!

You can look at society on several different levels. From your example, I’m thinking you want to look at society on a national scale. While your example is true for a segment of society, I also think there is a segment that views things from the “what’s in it for me” philosophy.

I dont think it was exactly a stupid question, it's a very serious issue and most people are run by it, so if you categorize this as an irrelevant issue then you've got some things to smooth out.

Run by what?! Society? Of course they are ... you, me, the Pope, everyone in these bloody forums are "society". Yes, I agree, we do govern ourselves.

You cannot, however, blanket "society". There is a clear and distinct "society" that makes up these forums, but it is not a reflection on, say, the societal concerns of the Lansing, MI tri-county area - which has different concerns and ideals than the Islamic Society of Greater Houston.

If you blanket "society", you merely show yourself to be silly and naive.

You must specify, therefore, which society you're talking about. My society, at this moment right now, is merely telling me I should make fun of this thread until you stop making attempts at waxing philosophical.

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I dont think it was exactly a stupid question, it's a very serious issue and most people are run by it, so if you categorize this as an irrelevant issue then you've got some things to smooth out.

You need to give the question more thought. You're asking people to describe society and expecting intelligent answers. That's like me ordering someone to talk, then expecting them to provide me with a witty monologue.

You HAVE to be specific when you're talking about this kind of thing.

Wow, I haven't seen anyone who's arrogance is so far mismatched with his intelligence in quite a while... but I think I'll answer the question anyway.

The question is, as I understand it, "What is the supposed goal set forth by society for it's members?"

Well, I think it is obvious that society sets a large number of goals for it's members and encourages them to complete these goals toward some eventual aim, but that final goal is somewhat elusive. Some might say that the final goal is happiness, but happiness cannot be that goal, because for many happiness is diametrically opposed to the steps society has perscribed for them. So happiness alone cannot be the goal. Wealth, clearly, is not the goal since one could still ask "Make lots of money for what?" Possessions, similarly seem not to fit this hole because, like money, they seem to be means, nots ends. Look and look we don't find the elusive meaning to life that society and traditional knowledge would hopefully be able to instill in us. The answer is simple, there is no meaning. We are hampsters on wheels, generating power and keeping our bodies fit, at least until we die, but in the mean time we have no true goal, we just do the same things over and over again trying to get to the end of the road, but it just never comes. Society has a purpose for us, to be sure, we are here to process resources and to fuel the machinery of the society, we have no further purpose. We're just cells in a greater organism, and it's just a cell in an even greater organism, and it gets bigger and bigger all the way up. Von Neumann had it right, but he never knew the scope his infinite sequences would really encompass.

LOL, my society at this moment is telling me to leave work early before the suspected ice storm moves in. :D

Heres my aim.

1. What is society saying.
2. What good will come of it.
3. What changes are needed.

Please, in all seriousness, I'm curious if there are any people that use their brain.
i used up all my brain already...
debating with Alien Born, Spoffin and Gnostikos in the drug laws topic (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388895) :(

You need to give the question more thought. You're asking people to describe society and expecting intelligent answers. That's like me ordering someone to talk, then expecting them to provide me with a witty monologue.

You HAVE to be specific when you're talking about this kind of thing.

Don't worry, he's asking one of those questions that can't be asked or answered specifically. He wants to know the meaning of life, and the sooner he comes to realize that knowledge is impossible, and that the majority of people are ignorant even of that fact, the sooner he'll leave us all alone so we can go back to our lives.

i used up all my brain already...
debating with Alien Born, Spoffin and Gnostikos in the drug laws topic (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388895) :(

You have limitted brain? That's gotta suck. How will you continue living now that you don't have any left?

Don't worry, he's asking one of those questions that can't be asked or answered specifically. He wants to know the meaning of life, and the sooner he comes to realize that knowledge is impossible, and that the majority of people are ignorant even of that fact, the sooner he'll leave us all alone so we can go back to our lives.

Yeah, what annoyed me is that he insulted us when we asked what he was going on about. He's no more enlightened then the rest of us.

I mean, when he 'defined' what society wants, he just said what he wants from life. Damn, I wish that I had thought of that earlier on...

Yeah, what annoyed me is that he insulted us when we asked what he was going on about. He's no more enlightened then the rest of us.

I mean, when he 'defined' what society wants, he just said what he wants from life.

Hence my comment about arrogance unbefitting his intelligence. He'll learn though, he's asking the right questions. Some day he may actually be a real human being.

I mostly can't shake the feeling that this thread is leading up to a Chick tract.

I mostly can't shake the feeling that this thread is leading up to a Chick tract.

As much as it could, I'll shoot anyone who tries to make it.

First of all, you should define which society you are talking about. Society is not a be all and end all global phenomenon.French society and Us society are vastly different for example.

But I want to comment on:
People on welfare... alot of them are too lazy to go out and get a job, so for them welfare is free money and they dont need to find one while the rest of the working force goes out and pays for them to sit around and be lazy. But parents tell their kids, if you want to do something you can, nothing is impossible, which in theory it is not, unfortunately most men or women do not have the drive to do what is necessary to have a "proper job" and yes there are those that are screwed over in some cases, but two good points come in, do not ever regret and dont give up.
What a load of rubbish. That is the biggest load of stereotype, misconception and utter bullshit I have read in a while. And Ive read some strange thread.

Suffice to say that only a minority of those on welfare are like you describe.

This is what a small percentage of people reading this dont get, ANY PART OF ANY SOCIETY, tell me your opinion, geez i didnt think generalizing stuff would make it more complicated.... there are no rules.

Society=Human nature

This is what a small percentage of people reading this dont get, ANY PART OF ANY SOCIETY, tell me your opinion, geez i didnt think generalizing stuff would make it more complicated.... there are no rules.

Society is an extension of the person. It is only what you make out of your surroundings. In that sense I don't give society any credit whatsoever.

those that have decided to think, have been enlightened.

ok ok... heres a question for those of you that think im and idiot b/c you dont understand what im asking... first of all, all i want you to answer is.

What is society?

think about that... answer it... then try and answer the other questions

First of all, you should define which society you are talking about. Society is not a be all and end all global phenomenon.French society and Us society are vastly different for example.

But I want to comment on:

What a load of rubbish. That is the biggest load of stereotype, misconception and utter bullshit I have read in a while. And Ive read some strange thread.

Suffice to say that only a minority of those on welfare are like you describe.


I appreciate it.

Oh well... i tried.

those that have decided to think, have been enlightened.

It's not a decision you make. You can't choose to be enlightened, in the same way that a candle cannot. Relax with the hocus pocus, let's all focus.

As for society, it's true that a lot of it is buy buy buy. But we see in society only reflections of ourselves. But all it is is individual choices made by people just like you, compounded 200 million times, everyday. So all YOU need to do is make good choices, and society will be better.

well done, but i must say it took far too long for an answer like that.

Society is the wave that I must swim against. Society doesn't change me, I change society. I can shatter thier preconcieved reality with the decisions I make. I must separate from society and become the man God wants me to be.

You have limitted brain? That's gotta suck. How will you continue living now that you don't have any left?
i does. yeah. hard to umm... thing... think, yeah think, now :headbang:

actually the penguins steal brain in my sleep. i'll be fine...until tomorrow :p

those that have decided to think, have been enlightened.
those that decide to think can be enlightened.
those who do not think will remain ignorant.

that said they do generally have happier lives - ignorance is bliss after all. those who do decide to think can go mental (or depressed, like me :( ) through the worry or the incesant train of thought. it sucks - enlightened my ass.