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What is sin and why does it feel so good? and don't use the dictionary deffinition.

Sin to me is hurting someone needlessly. Like tricking someone out of their hard earned money so you can buy something cool. It feels good because we're all a little sadistic, and we all get a little turned on by breaking taboos.

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Sin to me is hurting someone needlessly. Like tricking someone out of their hard earned money so you can buy something cool. It feels good because we're all a little sadistic, and we all get a little turned on by breaking taboos.

You again? I remember the last time we got into a spate about religious type stuff. yeash. but i have to agree with you

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lets not and said we did

Everyone is a sinner whether they believe they are or not. No one is perfect.

is masterbation a sin? :gundge:

no but spelling it wrong is :rolleyes:

is masterbation a sin? :gundge:
Not to me. It doesn't hurt anyone.

Depends on how you define sin. Myself I define sin as non-existant, so according to my own definition, it would be totally impossible to sin. :D

According to the most extreme defintions I might be a "sinner", but otherwise I don't think I am. Yet... *insert evil insane laugher here*

Oh, Sin is also a Nine Inch Nails song on the Pretty Hate Machine album.

Atheists can't make sin. :D Fluffles! :fluffle:

Sin is when you know what the right thing to do is, and you either do the opposite or nothing at all. As someone said earlier, no one is perfect.

Atheists can't do sin. :D Fluffles! :fluffle:
Sure we can. I consider needlessly hurting others to be a sin.

Sure we can. I consider needlessly hurting others to be a sin.
A BELIEVER! GET HIM!

*looks for a mob*

Sure we can. I consider needlessly hurting others to be a sin.

Ya! Peace & Fluffles! :fluffle:

Sin is whatever a church defines it to be. I'm with the poster who says atheists can't sin. We just misbehave.

Sin is whatever a church defines it to be. I'm with the poster who says atheists can't sin. We just misbehave.
You say misbehave I say sin. What's the difference?

You say misbehave I say sin. What's the difference?
Only semantics, or religious connotations. The only reason people say "atheists can't sin" is because they're defining it as being a set of rules created by a religious institution. But it's a set of rules about how not to misbehave ;)

So, as an atheist, I say I can sin, although not in a religious way. Just by being a bastard basically.

What is sin and why does it feel so good? and don't use the dictionary deffinition.

"Sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4 The willful disregard of God' law. And, it only feels good in the immidiate gratification of selfish desire. Over time it produces much less overall happiness or well being. BTW sinner here, but one saved by grace and in the process of growth in Chirst.

Sin is breaking god's law. Other types of misconduct break man's law. If you don't accept the premise of "god's law," there's no such thing as sin. So let the various religions squabble about sin.

For example, most Christian sects would agree that saying, "Jesus titty-humping Christ" is a sin. However, if there's no god to blaspheme against, it ain't even misbehavior.

Sin is purely a religious notion. Ideas of moral and immoral conduct, on the other hand, can be secular. But we send people to jail for "crimes," not "sins."

"Sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4 The willful disregard of God' law. And, it only feels good in the immidiate gratification of selfish desire. Over time it produces much less overall happiness or well being. BTW sinner here, but one saved by grace and in the process of growth in Chirst.
Hate to bring it up but what about things like masturbation that were defined as such and now retracted … is god changing his rules?

There are all kinds of examples of “Sins” people define that change over time as people choose to look at one aspect or another of their religious text.

So should we take the churches word on what is sin? Or make up our own definitions(at least our own interpretations)

Hate to bring it up but what about things like masturbation that were defined as such and now retracted … is god changing his rules?

There are all kinds of examples of “Sins” people define that change over time as people choose to look at one aspect or another of their religious text.

So should we take the churches word on what is sin? Or make up our own definitions(at least our own interpretations)

This is why it makes no sense to talk about "sin" out of the context of religion. It somehow implies that there's an absolute definition of "sin." PR is right: Sin is breaking god's law. But what god's law is is totally up in the air, depending on what you want to believe.

It's like trying to come up with a definition for "crime." A crime is an act that goes against law. But law is totally dependent on how the state defines it. Look at the Virginian Law thread for examples of the stupidity.

I know that Black XIII says ignore the dictionary, but words do have meanings. "Sin" is tied to faith in a way that "crime," "misdemeanor," or "immoral behavior" are not.

Hate to bring it up but what about things like masturbation that were defined as such and now retracted … is god changing his rules?

There are all kinds of examples of “Sins” people define that change over time as people choose to look at one aspect or another of their religious text.

So should we take the churches word on what is sin? Or make up our own definitions(at least our own interpretations)

Can you show me in God's law where masturbation is called a sin? I could have used another definition, but it requires a huge theological debate I'm sure... "Whatever is not of faith is sin." James ??(can't remember the verses off the top of my head.

In answer to your last question, don't take any churches definition for anything. Study God's Word and see what it says.

This is why it makes no sense to talk about "sin" out of the context of religion. It somehow implies that there's an absolute definition of "sin." PR is right: Sin is breaking god's law. But what god's law is is totally up in the air, depending on what you want to believe.

It's like trying to come up with a definition for "crime." A crime is an act that goes against law. But law is totally dependent on how the state defines it. Look at the Virginian Law thread for examples of the stupidity.

I know that Black XIII says ignore the dictionary, but words do have meanings. "Sin" is tied to faith in a way that "crime," "misdemeanor," or "immoral behavior" are not.
I know :) good ol relativistic morals thing

(btw agnostic/soft atheist … so sin does not apply to me)

"Sin" as you put it, can be described as any action taken with malicious intent. Sound good?

"Sin" as you put it, can be described as any action taken with malicious intent. Sound good?

Good in theory, but there are a fair number of folks who say that pre-marital bootknocking of entirely benevolent intent is a "sin."

"Sin" as you put it, can be described as any action taken with malicious intent. Sound good?
But not all conventional sins have “malicious intent” so we would be leaving out some of the ones like adultery (where the intent is not necessarily malice) or things like coveting (wife … ass whatever … wanting something is not really malicious in intent)

If that’s what he/she wants but not sure he wants to get rid of some of the biggies that the church usually defines as being a sin

I know :) good ol relativistic morals thing

(btw agnostic/soft atheist … so sin does not apply to me)

As far as I can tell, "sin" is a churchy concept and a churchy word. Let 'em have it. Not everybody needs the threat of damnation or the shadow of god lurking over their shoulder--like some big ole Santa Claus with a sack full of doorknobs--to scare them into humane behavior.

Sure, there are things we can all agree are bad, but we can't label them sins without assuming that 1) there is a god and 2) we know what he/she/shim wants.

I'm not always a good guy. So I'm a sinner. Dixi.

Good in theory, but there are a fair number of folks who say that pre-marital bootknocking of entirely benevolent intent is a "sin."
They are sexually repressed and mentally deranged. Their opinion carries no weight.

They are sexually repressed and mentally deranged. Their opinion carries no weight.

But what do you really think, Commies? Come on, don't hold back on us. :D

Glad you said it instead of me.

according to the bible everybody is born a sinner.
But fuck the bible!! I don't really care about sins, I live like I feel I should live

But not all conventional sins have “malicious intent” so we would be leaving out some of the ones like adultery (where the intent is not necessarily malice) or things like coveting (wife … ass whatever … wanting something is not really malicious in intent)

If that’s what he/she wants but not sure he wants to get rid of some of the biggies that the church usually defines as being a sin

You could even add lying to that. Lots of people lying for relatively benevolent albeit misguided reasons like sparing people's feelings a painful reality.

They are sexually repressed and mentally deranged. Their opinion carries no weight.

I bow to your wisdom :rolleyes: or whatever it is you call it... :(

everyone sins.
there are so many kinds of sins that it is hard to define what a sin is, and people more eloquent than i could do it better anyway.

conscience tells you if you have committed sin... i try to be free from conscience but i consider betrayal as a sin

You could even add lying to that. Lots of people lying for relatively benevolent albeit misguided reasons like sparing people's feelings a painful reality.
Very true

But not all conventional sins have “malicious intent” so we would be leaving out some of the ones like adultery (where the intent is not necessarily malice) or things like coveting (wife … ass whatever … wanting something is not really malicious in intent)

If that’s what he/she wants but not sure he wants to get rid of some of the biggies that the church usually defines as being a sin

Well, I'm Wiccan, so I'm not conventional myself. Outside of the 'uptight' religions (basically, the sexually repressed ones --- not that I hate them or anything), it seems like my definition would be correct.

Good in theory, but there are a fair number of folks who say that pre-marital bootknocking of entirely benevolent intent is a "sin."


There's also a fair number of people who say aliens exist, but I don't listen to them either. *wink*

Well, I'm Wiccan, so I'm not conventional myself. Outside of the 'uptight' religions (basically, the sexually repressed ones --- not that I hate them or anything), it seems like my definition would be correct.

This opens up a whole can of worms about which religion has the "correct" read on divine will.

This opens up a whole can of worms about which religion has the "correct" read on divine will.

Yeah, and there's no sense in arguing over which religion is "correct" or if they're all crap, because nobody knows. Even by Christian standards, humans are very far from infallible.

I define Sin as such:

That big monster in Final Fantasy X

Thank you.

I use the Bibles definition, which makes me a sinner. But I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. Although my catholic upbringing makes me FEEL like I'm always doing wrong!

I define Sin as such:

That big monster in Final Fantasy X

Thank you.

I almost said that earlier, but I wasn't sure if enough people would get the reference.

I have my own set of rules and a moral code that I try to live by. I've broken my own rules, therefore I have sinned against myself.

In my definition, a sin is the act of doing something against the will of God. In other words, doing something He said not to. A few examples of this would be murdering, stealing, and committing adultery. (By the way, masturbation is a sin, because in Matthew Jesus said that if you look at a woman lustfully, you have already committed adultery with her in your heart, and I highly doubt one can teach himself to masturbate without looking at or thinking about women.)

It feels naturally simply because sin is human nature. Every person is conceived in sin, and every person is a sinner. You can blame Adam and Eve for that, because they disobeyed God (bringing forth the first sin) and made it so that every person from then on born would be conceived in just that -- sin.

Oh, and as for the poll, I answered that I am in fact a sinner. "For all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God." But I have accepted Jesus Christ into my heart as my personal saviour.

I think sin is a scare tactic made up to keep the herd in line, kinda like hell and the apocolypse.

Now let me contradict myself: I do believe in a loose system of Karma, but it's slightly different than the Judeo-Christian concept of sin. I believe in laws of balance and return. Do bad things to people, and bad things will happen to you to balance it out. Do good, get good.

Sin is going over to the Dark Side and God is just an aspect of the Force.

There is not one person on earth who is not a sinner.

Atheists can't make sin. :D Fluffles! :fluffle:
Oh, but I sin. I am a terrible sinner, I constantly degrade God and all that.

Oh, Sin is also a Nine Inch Nails song on the Pretty Hate Machine album.
Yup.

That's the definition of sin, right there! You heard it, people!
Drunk Commies has just solved an ages-old problem!
:D

Than a political stance with a posthumous reward system. As such, sin is only an act that goes against that particular political stance. Since there is more than one religion on earth, it is impossible for anyone to NOT be a sinner in the eyes of at least one other person.

People who dislike religion should not ask creationists and the ultra-religious how to explain the universe. You will get nowhere with that. The real question is why do supposedly civilized individuals constantly fill in the blanks that science cannot yet explain with superstition and tales of the supernatural?

Explaining away the unknown with supernatural mythos is how the great atrocities occur (ie witch burnings and other human sacrifice rituals).

Personally, I stopped using a nightlight a long time ago.