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*Is any one surprized--Bush typically goes to the bottom of the barrel to pick the worst possible conflict of interest appointees to every position in existence.

Bush Taps Architect of Patriot Act to Head Homeland Security
President Bush has nominated federal judge and former prosecutor Michael Chertoff to head the Department of Homeland Security. Chertoff was working under John Ashcroft in the Justice Department after Sept. 11 and led the government's move to jail hundreds of Muslim and Arab men without pressing charges by using the "material witness" statute. He was also a chief architect of the USA Patriot Act. In a statement the American Civil Liberties Union said, "We are troubled that his public record suggests he sees the Bill of Rights as an obstacle to national security."

Chertoff has however criticized some of the Bush administration's post Sept. 11 policies. Last year he published a piece in the Weekly Standard criticizing the policy of indefinitely jailing people as "enemy combatants" without giving them access to the courts. President Bush's selection of Chertoff comes after former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik withdrew his name from consideration.

The White House expects Chertoff to be easily confirmed. In 2003 Chertoff was confirmed to a federal judgeship by an 88-1 Senate vote. The lone dissenting vote came from Senator Hillary Clinton. Chertoff clashed with the Clintons a decade ago when he served as counsel to a special Republican-led congressional panel that investigated the so-called Whitewater real estate scandal.
democracynow.org

It's always interesting to read your views on politics, Skapadroe.

It's always interesting to read your views on politics, Skapadroe.
thanks Chicken Pi.It gives me hope that people like you exist

I like your title!!! :D

Clever...

I like your title!!! :D
nazism never died--it just came to America

Clever...
Hail :)

nazism never died--it just came to America
I still think this is your best title so far. :D

Bush taps Patriot Act Nazi to head Fatherland Security

You know, throwing around comparisons like this really lessens the impact of the phrase 'Patriot Act.'

I still think this is your best title so far. :D
the scariest thing about all my titles is that theyre all TRUE :eek:

You know, throwing around comparisons like this really lessens the impact of the phrase 'Patriot Act.'
explain

Oh, you know. People usually complain that saying "grammar Nazi" cheapens the meaning of the word "Nazi." But I for one am a little tired of seeing legitimate dirtbags, like those scum at Homeland Security, compared to mere Nazis.

For once, I'm with Skapedroe; this is absolutely ridiculous.

explain

I think it's because it's common for such things to be compared to nazism. Because the comparison has been used so much, it isn't very credible (the stereotypical teenager calling his parents nazis comes to mind).

Personally, I think it would be better to inform people about what is going on and let them draw their own conclusions, without making such comparisons.

I think it's because it's common for such things to be compared to nazism. Because the comparison has been used so much, it isn't very credible (the stereotypical teenager calling his parents nazis comes to mind).

Personally, I think it would be better to inform people about what is going on and let them draw their own conclusions, without making such comparisons.

Oh, no. That's not what I meant at all. I meant that it's not accurate to compare a truly awful thing, like the Patriot Act, to something that's only sort of unpleasant, like the Holocaust. It cheapens the meaning of "Patriot Act."

Just kidding. What I mean is: Skap, if you don't want people to think yer a kooky extremist, don't give your threads kooky extremist titles.

Oh, no. That's not what I meant at all. I meant that it's not accurate to compare a truly awful thing, like the Patriot Act, to something that's only sort of unpleasant, like the Holocaust. It cheapens the meaning of "Patriot Act."

Ah, I get you. Comparing the Patriot Act to the holocaust actually makes it seem less bad because the holocaust is so much worse.


EDIT:I read your last post

Am I suggesting it? Yes. Do I believe it? No. But it's a nice way of pointing out how crazy the Nazi comparisons make a poster look.

Oh, you know. People usually complain that saying "grammar Nazi" cheapens the meaning of the word "Nazi." But I for one am a little tired of seeing legitimate dirtbags, like those scum at Homeland Security, compared to mere Nazis.
the entire Bush administration is pure scum from top to bottom

For once, I'm with Skapedroe; this is absolutely ridiculous.
the slime that will emerge from this regime these next 4 years will boggle your mind

the entire Bush administration is pure scum from top to bottom

But the fact is that you can't just say that outright to people. If they support the administration, they are just likely to say "screw you" and disregard whatever point you're trying to make. If you just tell people this stuff without actually calling names, people are much more likely to listen to you.

Just kidding. What I mean is: Skap, if you don't want people to think yer a kooky extremist, don't give your threads kooky extremist titles.
Bush makes all my titles true.

But the fact is that you can't just say that outright to people. If they support the administration, they are just likely to say "screw you" and disregard whatever point you're trying to make. If you just tell people this stuff without actually calling names, people are much more likely to listen to you.
maybe but it also wouldnt be half as much fun :(

Doesn't matter, if you want people to take you seriously. I suggest you read this. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388881)

Just kidding. What I mean is: Skap, if you don't want people to think yer a kooky extremist, don't give your threads kooky extremist titles.
I'd have to agree. I think that this is one of Skaps better threads. And it addresses legitimate concerns that aren't way out there.

I'd suggest that if Skap improves the titles and adds a bit more analysis on his part in the initial post, he'll be doing a pretty good job as a forum-poster.

I'd have to agree. I think that this is one of Skaps better threads. And it addresses legitimate concerns that aren't way out there.

I'd suggest that if Skap improves the titles and adds a bit more analysis on his part in the initial post, he'll be doing a pretty good job as a forum-poster.
I second that. I realy think this an extremely funny thread title.

Do you mind if I repost it with a different title, just to see the response?


EDIT: No, that's probably not such a good idea is it...

Another Skapedroe thread, another whackjob conspiracy

I would like just one person--just ONE--prove in anyway the phallacy of my title

Another Skapedroe thread, another whackjob conspiracy
your sig is true if you ask any psychic historian

I would like just one person--just ONE--prove in anyway the phallacy of my title

Ok. As long as we're getting literal, George Bush and his entire administration do not hold to the beliefs of the national socialist party of germany. They do not hold the same political beliefs and they have certainly not done anything on the atrocious level of the Nazis in WWII. Your grip of history must be quite pathetic indeed to compare a democratically elected administration (no matter how much you disagree with it) to nazi germany. I find it amazing that anybody on these forums can take you seriously as you seem to be a rabid parody of every bush hating liberal ever. I can only conclude that you do this for attention, since you show no interest in actual debate.

Oh, you know who else was an architect of the patriot act? John Kerry. But I guess he's a nazi too right?

I'll say it again. Bush != Nazi!!! Stop comparing Bush to Hitler!!!

Ok. As long as we're getting literal, George Bush and his entire administration do not hold to the beliefs of the national socialist party of germany. They do not hold the same political beliefs and they have certainly not done anything on the atrocious level of the Nazis in WWII. Your grip of history must be quite pathetic indeed to compare a democratically elected administration (no matter how much you disagree with it) to nazi germany. I find it amazing that anybody on these forums can take you seriously as you seem to be a rabid parody of every bush hating liberal ever. I can only conclude that you do this for attention, since you show no interest in actual debate.

Oh, you know who else was an architect of the patriot act? John Kerry. But I guess he's a nazi too right?
Bushs grandfather was Hitlers closest confidante and Bush practices corporate socialism--also I doubt Kerry helped write the Patriot Act-that sounds like a lie from the rightwing hate media

Michael Chertoff, eh? Doesn't ring a bell.

Michael Chertoff, eh? Doesn't ring a bell.
hes a typical neocon nazi like Wolfowitz

hes a typical neocon nazi like Wolfowitz

Ah, okay.

Bushs grandfather was Hitlers closest confidante

Elaborate? Proof?

Bush practices corporate socialism

I was talking about the National Socialist Worker's Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_socialist_party), also known as the nazis. It had nothing to do with socialism. And as for bush practicing socialism? What? How? He has big government leanings but you're making a pretty strong accusation. Back it up.

I doubt Kerry helped write the Patriot Act-that sounds like a lie from the rightwing hate media.

John Kerry has constantly advocated legislation that was eventually adopted into title three of the patriot act. Its reclassification of a bunch of things as financial institutions constitutes a huge civil liberties breach in my eyes.

I dont see why everybody thinks that kerry is some civil rights crusader.

"John kerry stands by his vote for the patriot act, its john ashcroft's abuse that makes the patriot act bad, not the law itself."

Dear lord! That legislation would have been evil if Ghandi had been attorney general. It is blatently intrusive and unconstitutional. And Kerry has advocated plenty of other things such as key escrow and forcing businesses to report on client behavior to the government.

I dont see why everybody thinks that kerry is some civil rights crusader.

"John kerry stands by his vote for the patriot act, its john ashcroft's abuse that makes the patriot act bad, not the law itself."

Dear lord! That legislation would have been evil if Ghandi had been attorney general. It is blatently intrusive and unconstitutional. And Kerry has advocated plenty of other things such as key escrow and forcing businesses to report on client behavior to the government.
But hes still far superior to Bush who wants a Patriot Act part 2

Dont get me wrong, I actually agree with most of your positions. I just think your arguments are insane and should be debated. Also I'm tired of people touting kerry as some peoples hero when he is in fact nearly as bad as bush on many key issues. And I voted for him anyways.

Dont get me wrong, I actually agree with most of your positions. I just think your arguments are insane and should be debated. Also I'm tired of people touting kerry as some peoples hero when he is in fact nearly as bad as bush on many key issues. And I voted for him anyways.
he was very weak on the campaign trail but hes nowhere near as destructive as Bush. My first choice of course was Howard Dean

Yes. The reason the democrats lost the election is they didn't have the balls to let Dean tell it like it is. They wanted someone "electable." HAH!

How is an Orthodox Jew a Nazi?

President Bush's selection of Chertoff comes after former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik withdrew his name from consideration.
My local paper had an article from the Christian Science Monitor that endorced Chertoff's selection.
Surely that should tell you something about the man.
Apparently, "He can hear different view points. He's intense, but well-liked."

Out of interest, it also said that Kerik had withdrawn due to several ethical issues being raised. Can someone fill me in on what those were?

How is an Orthodox Jew a Nazi?
by being a rightwing warmonger who created policies to detain people indefinitely without charge

My local paper had an article from the Christian Science Monitor that endorced Chertoff's selection.
Surely that should tell you something about the man.
Apparently, "He can hear different view points. He's intense, but well-liked."

Out of interest, it also said that Kerik had withdrawn due to several ethical issues being raised. Can someone fill me in on what those were?
Chertoff is a rabid partisan with the values of a nazi-He also committed perjury under oath when he said he had no knowledge beforehand how interrogating Lindh without a lawyer present violated his rights

The whole situation with muslems and the patriot act, reminds me of russian eppic.....cinderella. If the shoe fits, wear it!