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*If Dan Rather relied on forged documents to start an unnecessary war in Iraq he wouldve been fired.

U.S. Ends Fruitless WMD Search in Iraq
In news from Iraq, the Washington Post reports the hunt for weapons of mass of destruction has ended. The U.S. inspectors apparently gave up the search with no public notice late last month. The government spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the search but the public may never know how much was spent. A spokesman for the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency said the entire budget will remain classified.
WashingtonPost.com

Search for imaginary WMDS in Iraq officially ends

There never was an official search for imaginary WMDs.

There never was an official search for imaginary WMDs.
I guess it was just another one of Bushs numerous lies. Where did all the "ethical" republicans who tried to hold Bill Clinton to a higher standard go?

good to see you still around Red Arrow!

I guess it was just another one of Bushs numerous lies. Where did all the "ethical" republicans who tried to hold Bill Clinton to a higher standard go?

No, there was a search for actual WMDs, not imaginary ones.

good to see you still around Red Arrow!
its good to see your still here too Sumamba--I always liked you

No, there was a search for actual WMDs, not imaginary ones.
Saddam already used the actual WMDS on kurds with Rumsfelds blessings
http://www.detour.net/~vonsikken/Pictures2/rummysaddam.jpg

It just figures...

With the Bush adminastration reasons for invading countries are like Donald Trump's haircut: They get worse everyday.

It just figures...

With the Bush adminastration reasons for invading countries are like Donald Trump's haircut: They get worse everyday.
Trumps hair looks like roadkill--Im convinced he must be hiding a massive bald spot or something

Trumps hair looks like roadkill--Im convinced he must be hiding a massive bald spot or something

Maybe it is roadkill - it's what the best wigs are made out of, you know... :)

I don't think so...even the French knew their pal Sad-am had them.

They're now in Syria, another hellhole ripe for liberation!!

Saddam already used the actual WMDS on kurds with Rumsfelds blessings

http://ambit.typepad.com/ambit/chirac_saddam.jpg
Chirac must be jealous that Rumseld got to shake hands.

Maybe it is roadkill - it's what the best wigs are made out of, you know... :)
:D then maybe he should get it fluffed or something

I'm glad to see that no one is fighting yet. Wait, someone invite Eutrusca, let the fun begin!

I don't think so...even the French knew their pal Sad-am had them.

They're now in Syria, another hellhole ripe for liberation!!
yes it is a hellhole but the only "liberation" Bush seems to be able to deliver is Death

http://ambit.typepad.com/ambit/chirac_saddam.jpg
Chirac must be jealous that Rumseld got to shake hands.
its Big Business corruption all around I agree

:D then maybe he should get it fluffed or something

Well, squirrel hair is notoriously unmanageable. Just look at their tails, man!

Well, squirrel hair is notoriously unmanageable. Just look at their tails, man!
:D youd think that a billionaire like him could afford a skunk at least

Saddam already used the actual WMDS on kurds with Rumsfelds blessings
http://www.detour.net/~vonsikken/Pictures2/rummysaddam.jpg

Wow! I was skeptical about this claim before I saw the picture, but if you look closely, you can clearly see that Rumsfeld's mouth is forming the words, "Hey, Saddam, buddy! I hope you're having loads of fun gassing the Kurds!"

There never was an official search for imaginary WMDs.

Ah, but was there an imaginary search for official WMDs ?

Or, more likely, an imaginary search for imaginary WMDs ?

Ah, but was there an imaginary search for official WMDs ?

Or, more likely, an imaginary search for imaginary WMDs ?

I don't know: I'm still grappling with the ontological problems involved in asking whether Iraq possessed imaginary WMDs or not.

I don't know: I'm still grappling with the ontological problems involved in asking whether Iraq possessed imaginary WMDs or not.
I have imaginary WMDs, and I imagine I have real WMDs.
:p

I have imaginary WMDs, and I imagine I have real WMDs.
:p
all you need is oil and Bush will invade

I have imaginary WMDs, and I imagine I have real WMDs.
:p


Ah yes, but what is the difference between imagining that you have imaginary WMDs and imagining that you have real WMDs? (or, for that matter, really having imaginary WMDs?)

I guess it was just another one of Bushs numerous lies. Where did all the "ethical" republicans who tried to hold Bill Clinton to a higher standard go?

Did they say that they've searched the entire country?

Under every rock?

Hmmm

Country the size of California can be completely searched in 2 years?

Hard to believe...

Ah yes, but what is the difference between imagining that you have imaginary WMDs and imagining that you have real WMDs? (or, for that matter, really having imaginary WMDs?)
I don't know, but I'll figure it out once I have some imaginary targets to use them on...
Imagine using them on?
:confused:

Didn't you all hear? They found the Weapons of Mass Destruction.









Bush bought some pretzels and Cheney purchased a pound of bacon at Wal-Mart.

The beauty of this is now we can spend more undisclosables following up someone elses' unqualified theory that some other country THAT NEVER GOT ALONG WITH THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE just happily accepted their "WMD"'s so they could get outta trouble. Yep. Lotsa people w/lotsa theories but not too many of them add up.
Or maybe the experts that had actually been there for an extended period of time looking for these things, who for some time have been saying there's not enough to qualify the invasion, BEFORE AND AFTER, are all much dumber and incompetent than some egotistically-unstable internet monger who doesn't actually possess any experience in that field.
Nah, go ahead and bomb every f*cking neighbor and soon enough something will show up. It's okay! Us workers will just forgive the loans and subsidies for them too and not mind at all with whatever our own actual problems are as a nation! No problems! We don't mind paying for it!

Did they say that they've searched the entire country?

Under every rock?

Hmmm

Country the size of California can be completely searched in 2 years?

Hard to believe...
whats harder to believe is that theyre that easy to hide

all you need is oil and Bush will invade

or an evil dictator, anti-business/success/financial freedom partner

all you need is oil and Bush will invade

Iran has a lot more oil and he hasn't invaded them...the amount of evidence he could've fabricated for Iran was about the same, if he was just making it up... :confused: What oil are we getting, anyway? It's Saudi Arabia that's selling the stuff cheap for our benefit.

all you need is oil and Bush will invade

If we wanted oil, we could just have taken over Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, or invaded Mexico and Venezeula. It would've been easier, cheaper, and (except for Mexico) easier to justify. The war in Iraq was not about oil. When will you people realize this?

or an evil dictator, anti-business/success/financial freedom partner
Nah--Bush envies evil Dictators--he just hates it when theyre not poverty pimps too

Iran has a lot more oil and he hasn't invaded them...the amount of evidence he could've fabricated for Iran was about the same, if he was just making it up... :confused: What oil are we getting, anyway? It's Saudi Arabia that's selling the stuff cheap for our benefit.
Bush will invade Iran and if Saudi Arabia is selling oil so cheaply then why was oil costing us so much at the pump for so long?

Seriously, why would Bush invade a country for oil? We got Alaska for that, and despite some of the eviromental nazis out there it would be a lot easier and faster to accomplish. A long stand in Iraq (and it will be) is an extremely inefficient way to accomplish that.

If we wanted oil, we could just have taken over Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, or invaded Mexico and Venezeula. It would've been easier, cheaper, and (except for Mexico) easier to justify. The war in Iraq was not about oil. When will you people realize this?
yeah oil was a factor and the reason Bush invaded Iraq was cause he knew all along it was totally unarmed and helpless-Iraq was the easiest target for Bush to invade for oil first..and btw Bush DID try to overthrow Hugo Chavez in Venezuela numerous times further proving an oil connection. It would be hard for him to go against his masters in Saudi Arabia who bailed out so many of his failed business ventures in the past and Mexico is our neighbor and for Bush to invade Kuwait would expose him as the total hypocrite that he is especially since his father attacked Saddam for doing the same thing

Nah--Bush envies evil Dictators--he just hates it when theyre not poverty pimps too

I challenge you to find one shred of proof to back up that claim.

Who knows? It could also have something to do with proving his 'maturity'

Bush sr: See Son? I gave Iraq a beatdown. What did you do? Your just puttering around in Camp David. You'll never be better than me. [insert annoying laughter]

Bush jr: Grrrrr, just you wait. I'm going to show you up. Not only will I give Iraq a beatdown. I'll take it over too!

In case you haven't figured it out, plenty of sarcasm here.

Seriously, why would Bush invade a country for oil? We got Alaska for that, and despite some of the eviromental nazis out there it would be a lot easier and faster to accomplish. A long stand in Iraq (and it will be) is an extremely inefficient way to accomplish that.
Bush did try to rape the pristine Alaska for an energy source that should be obsolete--fortunately the democracts stopped him

yeah oil was a factor and the reason Bush invaded Iraq was cause he knew all along it was totally unarmed and helpless-Iraq was the easiest target for Bush to invade for oil first..and btw Bush DID try to overthrow Hugo Chavez in Venezuela numerous times further proving an oil connection. It would be hard for him to go against his masters in Saudi Arabia who bailed out so many of his failed business ventures in the past and Mexico is our neighbor

One word: what?

Iraq had the largest army in the Middle East. Until the first Gulf War, they had the fourth largest army in the world. Bush tried to overthrow Chavez? Could you provide some evidence of that, please? Oh, and it proves an oil connection? I guess that means that when the CIA tried to assassinate Castro we just wanted all the Cuban oil. Makes perfect sense.

As for his "masters" in Saudi Arabia...do I even need to address this?

Mexico is our neighbor, so we can't invade them? Most invasions are preformed on one's neighbors...

I am, of course, not advocating an invasion of Mexico, but come on.

I challenge you to find one shred of proof to back up that claim.
all the Latin American dictators the CIA installed in power over the 20th century

Bush did try to rape the pristine Alaska for an energy source that should be obsolete--fortunately the democracts stopped him

The pristine Alaskan landscape? You mean where the oil is seeping out of the ground because there's so much of it?

all the Latin American dictators the CIA installed in power over the 20th century

Because Bush definately controlled the CIA in the Cold War.

The pristine Alaskan landscape? You mean where the oil is seeping out of the ground because there's so much of it?
doesnt matter--Bush is keeping us addicted to oil at a time when we should be developing cheaper and earth friendly energy supplies

Because Bush definately controlled the CIA in the Cold War.
exactly--his Father headed it at one time

this is probably a bit off-topic. bit i watched a video in college about military stuff and it said that the U.S gave bin-laden and the taliban weapons a while ago to fight off the soviet invasion of afganistand, how stupid is that!!

The pristine Alaskan landscape? You mean where the oil is seeping out of the ground because there's so much of it?

The oil is part of the landscape, even if it is leaking out, then it makes Alaska no less pristine.

this is probably a bit off-topic. bit i watched a video in college about military stuff and it said that the U.S gave bin-laden and the taliban weapons a while ago to fight off the soviet invasion of afganistand, how stupid is that!!

Incorrect: the Taliban didn't exist at that time, instead groups like the Mujahadeen did, and some of them later turned into the Taliban.

this is probably a bit off-topic. bit i watched a video in college about military stuff and it said that the U.S gave bin-laden and the taliban weapons a while ago to fight off the soviet invasion of afganistand, how stupid is that!!

The Taliban did not exist during the Soviet-Afghan war. Yes, we did aid organizations with which bin Laden later became affiliated with. Sort of a lesser of two evils thing.

Skapderoe, you say that Bush wants to rape Alaska, yet you say that oil seeping onto the surface and killing plant life is good? Hmm. As for us needing to develop a different energy source, that is a good enough idea. However, doing so will require energy independence, for a time. To do that, we need to get more oil from Alaska. You can't have it both ways.

OMFG Skapedroe posts something factually correct!! :eek:

Incorrect: the Taliban didn't exist at that time, instead groups like the Mujahadeen did, and some of them later turned into the Taliban.

Yes, but still those groups officially viewed the U.S and Soviet Russia as the 'Two Great Satans', at least the U.S should have had a bit more insight into who there next enemy was gonna be, after communism went out of fashion

Bush also gave the TALIBAN $43 million dollars in may 2001 as a downpayment for 911

OMFG Skapedroe posts something factually correct!! :eek:
when did I do that

Yes, but still those groups officially viewed the U.S and Soviet Russia as the 'Two Great Satans', at least the U.S should have had a bit more insight into who there next enemy was gonna be, after communism went out of fashion

I wasn't commenting on the wisdom or ethics of the US's actions, just pointing out a factual error.

Bush also gave the TALIBAN $43 million dollars in may 2001 as a downpayment for 911

Do you want give us some evidence?

I rekon that bush should be complimented on his restant though, i mean if iraq was retaliation for 9/11 then he's being pretty soft, i mean in the 1st gulf war iraq shelled israel and if the U.S hadn't have calmed them down Israel would have turn Iraq into a smuldering irradiated crater.

So far the only search for something imaginary I know of is my search for a vestige of intelligence in these forums. All you know is what the media tells you to know, the truth is that most of what you all think is bogus to the max. Your sources are corrupt and your information is blatantly wrong, all you do is dwell on what may be the bad side and refuse to see any good at all. Your ignorance knows no bounds and as such none of you really deserve to be alive.

So far the only search for something imaginary I know of is my search for a vestige of intelligence in these forums. All you know is what the media tells you to know, the truth is that most of what you all think is bogus to the max. Your sources are corrupt and your information is blatantly wrong, all you do is dwell on what may be the bad side and refuse to see any good at all. Your ignorance knows no bounds and as such none of you really deserve to be alive.

Now, I hate stupid people as much as the next guy, but isn't that a little harsh?

Of course, I assume I was included in those who do what the media tells them, with a bogus interpretation of the truth, and my information is blatantly corrupt. Anyone who reads my posts knows that I see good. Granted, it is not "good" according to some (like Skapedroe), but I see it, and I defend it.

But I like your insulting approach. Good way to persuade people you're in the right.

the distinction between the mujaheedin and the taliban is pretty stupid too since theyre all the same players

So far the only search for something imaginary I know of is my search for a vestige of intelligence in these forums. All you know is what the media tells you to know, the truth is that most of what you all think is bogus to the max. Your sources are corrupt and your information is blatantly wrong, all you do is dwell on what may be the bad side and refuse to see any good at all. Your ignorance knows no bounds and as such none of you really deserve to be alive.

But it's no fun focusing on the positive.

Do you want give us some evidence?


Give us some evidence he didn't...

Do you want give us some evidence?
dont you ever crack open a newspaper?

*If Dan Rather relied on forged documents to start an unnecessary war in Iraq he wouldve been fired.

U.S. Ends Fruitless WMD Search in Iraq
In news from Iraq, the Washington Post reports the hunt for weapons of mass of destruction has ended. The U.S. inspectors apparently gave up the search with no public notice late last month. The government spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the search but the public may never know how much was spent. A spokesman for the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency said the entire budget will remain classified.
WashingtonPost.com

Let it drop already, they found WMDs. Don't say it's a lie, because it's not. Democrats are just angry over the elections.

And it's the Washington Post.

Let it drop already, they found WMDs. Don't say it's a lie, because it's not. Democrats are just angry over the elections.

And it's the Washington Post.
No WMDS were ever found--even our subverted media never claimed they were--there was a weapons depot however that Rumsfeld allowed the insurgents to loot cause he never sent enuf troops to Iraq--are those the WMDS your talking about?

the distinction between the mujaheedin and the taliban is pretty stupid too since theyre all the same players

If they are 'all the same players' then why did they split into two factions - the Northern Alliance and the Taliban - and then have a civil war for control over Afghanistan? The government put in place with the aid of the US's intervention that brought the downfall of Taliban control is in large part constituted of members of the Northern Alliance (in other words people formerly in the Mujahadeen).

Let it drop already, they found WMDs. Don't say it's a lie, because it's not. Democrats are just angry over the elections.

And it's the Washington Post.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4169107.stm

Are the BBC also controlled by embittered American Democrats?

If they are 'all the same players' then why did they split into two factions - the Northern Alliance and the Taliban - and then have a civil war for control over Afghanistan? The government put in place with the aid of the US's intervention that brought the downfall of Taliban control is in large part constituted of members of the Northern Alliance (in other words people formerly in the Mujahadeen).
Bush Sr sided with the Taliban cause at the time Osama was a CIA agent

Bush Sr sided with the Taliban cause at the time Osama was a CIA agent

You do know, don't you, that the Taliban didn't come into being until late 1994, while Bush Sr was already out of official office at the start of 1993, yes?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4169107.stm

Are the BBC also controlled by embittered American Democrats?

Naw, they're Brits that hate us.

The rest of the world hates us, we have come to get used to it. How come we give millions in aid, then France says it isn't enough, then we give more and they say we are monopolizing?

And they found artillery shells laced with serin.

http://ambit.typepad.com/ambit/chirac_saddam.jpg
Chirac must be jealous that Rumseld got to shake hands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Donald_saddam.jpg

And they found artillery shells laced with serin.

Are you refering to the single 155mm shell that the US itself admitted was a pre-Gulf War muntion?

Naw, they're Brits that hate us.

If we hate you so much, then why are we co-operating with you to the tune of 45,000 troops in Iraq?

Naw, they're Brits that hate us.

The rest of the world hates us, we have come to get used to it. How come we give millions in aid, then France says it isn't enough, then we give more and they say we are monopolizing?

And they found artillery shells laced with serin.

This is probably very exclusive but as an Australia, I can say that most people I know have no problem with the U.S, and even the people i know who do have opinions on such things are more anti-un than anti-us so it's not true that everybody hates the u.s.

If we hate you so much, then why are we co-operating with you to the tune of 45,000 troops in Iraq?

Because Blair told you to. Also, I wasn't referring to the whole of Britain, just the ones that can't spend enough time actually thinking about American actions to see that we aren't warmongering lunatics.

This is probably very exclusive but as an Australia, I can say that most people I know have no problem with the U.S, and even the people i know who do have opinions on such things are more anti-un than anti-us so it's not true that everybody hates the u.s.

Then I have a newfound respect for Australians. I always liked their cute accents...

Because Blair told you to. Also, I wasn't referring to the whole of Britain, just the ones that can't spend enough time actually thinking about American actions to see that we aren't warmongering lunatics.

How would Reuters do as a source then?

"I felt like we would find weapons of mass destruction ... like many -- many here in the United States, many around the world," Bush told ABC's Barbara Walters, according to excerpts from an interview airing on Friday.

Bush said "we need to find out what went wrong in the intelligence gathering," and that the invasion was "absolutely" worth it even if there were no weapons of mass destruction.

Here (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=VGA5U2GOY2H1GCRBAE0CFEY?type=topNews&storyID=7310507)

How would Reuters do as a source then?

[i]"...many -- many here in the United States"

The question is, what was edited out?

And the invasion was worth it because it made the lives of millions of people a lot better. You try living in Pre-invasion Iraq for a month; see how that works out for ya.

The question is, what was edited out?

Neither you nor I know that, but so far there hasn't been any word from the White House of gross misrepresentation of the actual speech. Only time will tell. It, however, seems pretty clear that the US now believes that there are no WMDs in Iraq.

And the invasion was worth it because it made the lives of millions of people a lot better. You try living in Pre-invasion Iraq for a month; see how that works out for ya.

Point out to me where I said that I thought the invasion of Iraq was a bad thing, would you? I am no apologist for the old regime, but I do not think that the methods used to topple it were the best.

Point out to me where I said that I thought the invasion of Iraq was a bad thing, would you? I am no apologist for the old regime, but I do not think that the methods used to topple it were the best.

Bush said "we need to find out what went wrong in the intelligence gathering," and that the invasion was "absolutely" worth it even if there were no weapons of mass destruction.

"...that the invasion was "absolutely" worth it..."

I took the quotations to suggest that you thought that the invasion wasn't worth it. If this is not the case, one must wonder why it was included in your post.

And what methods, exactly, would you use? The UN that supplied Iraq with its money in the first place, via the Oil for Food program? That would have worked out real well.

"...that the invasion was "absolutely" worth it..."

I took the quotations to suggest that you thought that the invasion wasn't worth it. If this is not the case, one must wonder why it was included in your post.

That was included as it was the closest we have to a concession by Bush that there were no WMDs.

And what methods, exactly, would you use?

Ones legal under international law?

Iran has a lot more oil and he hasn't invaded them...the amount of evidence he could've fabricated for Iran was about the same, if he was just making it up... :confused: What oil are we getting, anyway? It's Saudi Arabia that's selling the stuff cheap for our benefit.
Since you are a "noob", I won't be too harsh on you.

First of all, Iran does not have more oil than Iraq, and secondly, you really should read more about the:

Operation

Iraqi

Liberation

"...that the invasion was "absolutely" worth it..."

I took the quotations to suggest that you thought that the invasion wasn't worth it. If this is not the case, one must wonder why it was included in your post.

And what methods, exactly, would you use? The UN that supplied Iraq with its money in the first place, via the Oil for Food program? That would have worked out real well.
Slap your english teachers.

No, go do it-right now. They should have taught you how to read text and they have failed you.

The text was quoting from and interview, the quotation marks where to indicate Bush's own words reported in the Rueters account. Your teachers have failed you, and now by proxy they get to waste our time.

Slap your english teachers.

No, go do it-right now. They should have taught you how to read text and they have failed you.

The text was quoting from and interview, the quotation marks where to indicate Bush's own words reported in the Rueters account. Your teachers have failed you, and now by proxy they get to waste our time.

Hey, I'm just stating my opinion, don't get this thread locked because of flaming.

Hey, I'm just stating my opinion, don't get this thread locked because of flaming.
Look, champ-your opinion is one thing-your inability to understand written text is another-I'll try and give you the lesson you should have been taught by now:
Bush said "we need to find out what went wrong in the intelligence gathering," and that the invasion was "absolutely" worth it even if there were no weapons of mass destruction.
Lets break this down-
The sentence starts with what should be you primary clue:
Bush said "
Those words, followed by the quoatation marks, indicate that they will be quoting the words of Bush. Later the sentence paraphrases Bush but then uses those quotation marks to once again indicate Bush's words again-because in a news report you don't have the space to write out every word. But it continues the use of quotations to indicate the exact word so as to characterize it in Bush's intent-thus putting quotations around the word he used. Not, as you seemed to believe:

took the quotations to suggest that you thought that the invasion wasn't worth it.

Especially since the person you where adressing was not the author of the quote.


This is pretty basic reading comprehension. Not a lot to do with your opinion. But you can insist that bad reading comprehension is really just a matter of opinion if you want. Won't make it so, but go ahead.

That was a lot of breath wasted on a post that could have had a good, reasonable political point, but no, you have to give me a sixth-grade english lesson. If you have something relevant to add to the conversation, please do. If you just want to cry about grammar, do so somewhere else. Either via telegram, AIM, or MSN. My contacts are listed.

If his ideas did not reflect what he quoted in the article, why did he include them?

That was a lot of breath wasted on a post that could have had a good, reasonable political point, but no, you have to give me a sixth-grade english lesson. If you have something relevant to add to the conversation, please do. If you just want to cry about grammar, do so somewhere else. Either via telegram, AIM, or MSN. My contacts are listed.

If his ideas did not reflect what he quoted in the article, why did he include them?

What are we arguing about here? This thread is not about what one person's feelings are about, yes I will say it, unjust war. It is about the ending of a search for weapons of mass destruction. And may we PLEASE have the link to where the Washington Post claims that weapons of mass destruction were found during this war? Why is it that you are so much more intelligent than the rest of the planet... why doesn't everyone know this. And dear, if they were found, I'm sure it would've been made a HUGE more deal of then just being in the Washington Post, don't you? Don't you think that oh, maybe the White House, would have had a HUGE press conference stating that they found the wmd's, and it would be made into sound bites and put all across the airwaves of local news stations far and wide?? But wait, you probably wouldn't agree because you most likely think that the media has a huge liberal bias, right?