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This is the slickest little computer (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that I have ever seen! This is the machine that Apple will use to convert those neanderthal Windows users.

Thats if you idiots LIKE having a computer that you have to pay someone else to upgrade.

I'll have a standard box I can play with as much as I like thank you very much.

Macs! Do people actually buy those?

Very sexy.

*pats rumbling stomach*
How could you get my hopes up like that? I thought this was a thread about a new McDonalds meal.:(

*pats rumbling stomach*
How could you get my hopes up like that? I thought this was a thread about a new McDonalds meal.:(

In the UK McDonalds actually do sell a product called McMini's.

It's a little box with a mini chocolate doughnut, brownie and cornflake cake :p

I'm afraid from a company whos only advantage is their good looking machines THATS HIDEOUS, MY EYES ARE BLEEDING THAT LOOKS SO FUGLY.

1.42 GHz? That's it?

1.42 GHz? That's it?
They must have cut some of it out when they were trying to make it look even more ugly.

They must have cut some of it out when they were trying to make it look even more ugly.

That's why I've never liked Apple. If I wanted to put in a new, 9.0 billion GHz processor, I couldn't do that myself. I'd have to pay to have someone else do it for me. With my PC, when I want my new 144 petabyte drive in 5 years, I can just slide it in.

1.42 GHz? That's it?

Comparing PPC processor clock speeds to x86 processor clock speeds is pointless. Two completely different architectures.

I don't know how a cube can be ugly.

Since Mac aren't as f'd up as pcs, 1.42 Ghz flies. I have 1.25 and am able to do video editing with effects in real time.

Macs come I don't know anything I could buy for the mac that I just can't plug in and it works.

But hey, stay with the computer you have to constantly tinker with to kinda work.

1.42 GHz? That's it?
That's not bad for a heat sink only cooling system.

That's not bad for a heat sink only cooling system.
No fans?

This is the slickest little computer (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that I have ever seen! This is the machine that Apple will use to convert those neanderthal Windows users.
hmm, lets see get a mac which about 1 in 5 applicatiosn and games is compatible with and costs a shitload god knows what else, or use the most compatible pc thats cheap. well unless your donating money to the buy chess squares a mac fund, shut the hell up

No fans?
I didn't see any evidence of one. PPCs are a lot more efficient than Pentium processors when it comes to power consumption.

hmm, lets see get a mac which about 1 in 5 applicatiosn and games is compatible with and costs a shitload god knows what else, or use the most compatible pc thats cheap. well unless your donating money to the buy chess squares a mac fund, shut the hell up
The slick thing it can do is run a home entertainment system. Sure, Intel/Windows/Linux will do that, but this would just sit on a shelf and run. Forever.

see, the whole issue with small form factor pc's, or macs for that issue, is just that they're not expandable, you cant upgrade. i for one upgrade some integral part of my custom-built two pc's every 3 months, and with any small form factor you cant do that. second, macs are just tough to work with, cause parts are limited, cause the market isnt huge. and their whole interface is terrible.

Mac interface makes me cry, its lots of work and its unrewarding.

hmm, lets see get a mac which about 1 in 5 applicatiosn and games is compatible with and costs a shitload god knows what else, or use the most compatible pc thats cheap. well unless your donating money to the buy chess squares a mac fund, shut the hell up
Dude, it's $499. Thats PC price

The slick thing it can do is run a home entertainment system. Sure, Intel/Windows/Linux will do that, but this would just sit on a shelf and run. Forever.
buying a custom pc and building yourself and a entertainment system seperately im sure is nowhere near the cost of that thing.

amc fanboys are worse than fanboys for other shit because they are incomprehensibly stupid in the support of mac

That's why I've never liked Apple. If I wanted to put in a new, 9.0 billion GHz processor, I couldn't do that myself. I'd have to pay to have someone else do it for me. With my PC, when I want my new 144 petabyte drive in 5 years, I can just slide it in.
Wtf are you talking about? With PC barebone you have a hard time doing tinkering as well, and for a regular model, have a look here. You need to switch one lever, and take off one cover in order to have access to everything inside a G5. Besides, my unmodified dual 2.5 Ghz G5 will give every off the assembly line PC a run for its money.

Wtf are you talking about? With PC barebone you have a hard time doing tinkering as well, and for a regular model, have a look here. You need to switch one lever, and take off one cover in order to have access to everything inside a G5. Besides, my unmodified dual 2.5 Ghz G5 will give every off the assembly line PC a run for its money.
no one buys off the line assembly pcs if htey plan to do anything, unless they plan to upgrade it anyway. they are teh suck, so thats noit much of an accomplishment there bucko

Wtf are you talking about? With PC barebone you have a hard time doing tinkering as well, and for a regular model, have a look here. You need to switch one lever, and take off one cover in order to have access to everything inside a G5. Besides, my unmodified dual 2.5 Ghz G5 will give every off the assembly line PC a run for its money.
droooooool.......

Chess Squares: So what is your point? With a mac i get a working model right out of the box instead of a tinkertoy, how is that worse than having to invest time and money in order to get something i actually use?

no one buys off the line assembly pcs if htey plan to do anything, unless they plan to upgrade it anyway. they are teh suck, so thats noit much of an accomplishment there bucko
Thats the best argument EVER for a mac. I don't want to dick around getting this little gidget to make that little gadget and checking this little do hicky to see if it is compatable with that whatever.

Crazy me, I want to actually compute with my computer, not fiddle and soder.

Look, ive got a PC and a mac, the PC is about 7 years old its suffered numerous "physical damages" to its hard drive during being moved about a few times :P and its got a screen i found in the loft with says view sonic on it, it runs windows 98 and blue screens when you kick it, and YET, i have never had to format it or tinker around inside it, it has never had a problem running anything i have put on it and does not refuse me perfectly good file types.

The mac is my nemesis, it buggers up the network it will not accept anything thats even thought about a PC its constantly crashing despite being reformatted regularly, it never has what you need on it to run something and offers the most perplexingly stupid error messages that require a 12 ton manual and a preist to desifer. i hate it with every bone in my body.

Mac interface makes me cry, its lots of work and its unrewarding.
Huh? Do you get medals from your WindowsWhateverVersion or what kind of reward are you talking?

Huh? Do you get medals from your WindowsWhateverVersion or what kind of reward are you talking?
I mean getting the job done, the stress of doing it is generally not matched by the reward of having completed your task.Or indeed the other way round. oh bugger it you know what i mean.

Chess Squares: So what is your point? With a mac i get a working model right out of the box instead of a tinkertoy, how is that worse than having to invest time and money in order to get something i actually use?
if you want to have a bigger,better lincoln log house you gotta go buy a new one, instead of just pieces. thats what my point is.

and pcs DO work out of the box, but if you upgrade them they work BETTER. omgwtfbbq!

Thats the best argument EVER for a mac. I don't want to dick around getting this little gidget to make that little gadget and checking this little do hicky to see if it is compatable with that whatever.

Crazy me, I want to actually compute with my computer, not fiddle and soder.
1) um with pcs, they did away with soddering a while ago, now the most you have to do is screw it in
2) and wow, i can pay a shitload for a hard to use computer without general support of ANYTHING, or i can get this easy to use computer that i dont HAVE to upgrade but i can without buying a new one, and is cheap and generally compatible with everything, and comes with every thing you can think of: printer, monitor, sink, etc


the stupidity of mac fanboys gets to me everytime

Once again, what is your point? If i upgrade my mac, i get better performance, too. But the performance is very good to start with.

the stupidity of mac fanboys gets to me everytime
Is there any need for insults?

Yay! Another over-priced-for-what-it-is box o' junk from Mac for all the people too lofty for a normal, better, PC. I don't care who designed the outside. I care what's inside. Their operating system is great, but they insist on making you buy their hardware as well. I don't remember a more flawed business plan in my life. Oh, except for the 'oh, let's burn down our building before we get insurance' scheme.

This is the slickest little computer (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that I have ever seen! This is the machine that Apple will use to convert those neanderthal Windows users.

Us 'neanderthal' PC users who consistently score higher in benchmarks against Macs in everything but flicking through our photo albums, you mean? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with the FX-55. My PC runs more software, and it does so better.

Funny thing Chess Squares, but last time I checked you couldn't build yourself a custom PC and buy a home entertainment system for only $500. Can you?

I'm using an iMac G5 1.8 Ghz with superdrive, 17" flatscreen, and lots of software that came with it, for £1000. Not that bad value is it? If you want to go for something upgradeable, get a PowerMac G5.

On a related note, who has seen the iPod shuffle?

Funny thing Chess Squares, but last time I checked you couldn't build yourself a custom PC and buy a home entertainment system for only $500. Can you?

I'm using an iMac G5 1.8 Ghz with superdrive, 17" flatscreen, and lots of software that came with it, for £1000. Not that bad value is it? If you want to go for something upgradeable, get a PowerMac G5.

On a related note, who has seen the iPod shuffle?
and i can get a Athlon 64 (3000ghz processor) system custom with a gig of ram some 256 mb vid card, 17" flat screen, software with it, wireless mouse, keyboard, cd/dvdrw drives, and a custom case for $1000USD, much less than 1000pounds

hell for 1000 pounds i can upgrade the vid card and motherboard to better ones etc

I used to repair POS printers ( stuff that prints out reciepts in bars + diners) they used to have these really old printers called remanco. They were made of sheet metal + had mid 70 era guts.

that printer looked alot like the new mini mac. Sorta like a little box...


Apple is on crack...

The best part about this whole thing is that Apple is now a company with expanding market share. That's a big change from 10 years ago when M$ bailed them out.

Comparing PPC processor clock speeds to x86 processor clock speeds is pointless. Two completely different architectures.
I have to agree with you there.

I think it's somthing like this.

A 1ghz PPC proessor is about as powerful as a 2.3ghz Pentium 4.

If I'm gonna buy a small computer I'm gonna buy a laptop (which I did this summer actually)

I love Apple. When it comes to simple work, I enjoy them more. However, gameplay? PC all the way.

Still, another reason I like Apple is because of their clean, compact, and sleek design, and this is another example of good design and marketing.

Just like the iPod, this looks like it could be a big hit, especially for people living in small homes, or if you need a lot of power on the go. My friend said he's considering buying one, and at about $500.00, that doesn't seem too farfetched.

This is the slickest little computer (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that I have ever seen! This is the machine that Apple will use to convert those neanderthal Windows users.
looks like a substandard mircoATX PC in a fancyass case. oh joy.

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looks like a substandard mircoATX PC in a fancyass case. oh joy.

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well, duh.

If I'm gonna buy a small computer I'm gonna buy a laptop (which I did this summer actually)
I bet you will end up wishing it was a powerbook.

I bet you will end up wishing it was a powerbook.
Actually, no.

1.42 GHz? That's it?

a gig in a mac is worth a crapload more in windows, mainly in digital imaging power. It's also easy to use, troubleshooting is easy due to the lack of customisation, and they almost never have viri.

they also look like teh shit!

cost wise, the money you will end up paying for repairs, anti-virus software, replacing things you lost after the last virus, and paying your IP techie to find out whats wrong- macs are actually more economic.

weakness- gaming, it just doesnt happen
many programs arent out for macs

also, they came out with a new ipod! for the budget listener

1.42 GHz? That's it?

a gig in a mac is worth a crapload more than a gig in windows, mainly in digital imaging power. It's also easy to use, troubleshooting is easy due to the lack of customisation, and they almost never have viri.

they also look like teh shit!

cost wise, the money you will end up paying for repairs, anti-virus software, replacing things you lost after the last virus, and paying your IP techie to find out whats wrong- macs are actually more economic.

weakness- gaming, it just doesnt happen
many programs arent out for macs

so, keep educated, don't fall prey to propaganda! (BTW America just stopped its search for WMD's, officially)

also, they came out with a new ipod! for the budget listener

a gig in a mac is worth a crapload more in windows, mainly in digital imaging power. It's also easy to use, troubleshooting is easy due to the lack of customisation, and they almost never have viri.

they also look like teh shit!

cost wise, the money you will end up paying for repairs, anti-virus software, replacing things you lost after the last virus, and paying your IP techie to find out whats wrong- macs are actually more economic.

weakness- gaming, it just doesnt happen
many programs arent out for macs

also, they came out with a new ipod! for the budget listener
1) i havnt lost anything to viruses and havnt paid a dime to fix crap
2) i would get one of those new ipods i assume thye have flash, 512 megs for 99$, mine was 128megs for 87$ at walmart -_-, too bad i play to get a new comp that would blow all the moeny i would otherwise spend on new 512meg ipod, psp, some game, and half life 2

well....i have the same aformntioned dual G5 mac, but it did cost me over 5500...i love it...

I also have a PC with an FX-55 Processor.....I have NEVER EVER run windows on it.....only Suse 9.2....That computer is a gem....has never crashed.....

If i want to play games i use my mac......i have virtual PC

and i can get a Athlon 64 (3000ghz processor) system custom with a gig of ram some 256 mb vid card, 17" flat screen, software with it, wireless mouse, keyboard, cd/dvdrw drives, and a custom case for $1000USD, much less than 1000pounds

hell for 1000 pounds i can upgrade the vid card and motherboard to better ones etc

Is it just me, or is he exaggarating when he says 3000 Ghz? Does he mean 3 or 4 Ghz? or what?

Is it just me, or is he exaggarating when he says 3000 Ghz? Does he mean 3 or 4 Ghz? or what?
rofl, nice catch i missed that thanks, yeah i mean 3 ghz , 3k ghz would be nice too

rofl, nice catch i missed that thanks, yeah i mean 3 ghz , 3k ghz would be nice too
Even I would give up my G5 for a 3kilogigahertz pentium! That's like a teraHertz, isn't it?

This is the slickest little computer (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that I have ever seen! This is the machine that Apple will use to convert those neanderthal Windows users.
I hate Machintoshes. I've never liked them, so forget me ever switching over.

I hate Machintoshes. I've never liked them, so forget me ever switching over.
yeah he doest understand because its smaller doesnt make everyone automatically want it

I didn't see any evidence of one. PPCs are a lot more efficient than Pentium processors when it comes to power consumption.
Well, AMD does that too. Differences in architecture thought forces them to have fans, but with lesser heat the the new P4's.

This is the slickest little computer (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that I have ever seen! This is the machine that Apple will use to convert those neanderthal Windows users.


*Drools*

Well, AMD does that too. Differences in architecture thought forces them to have fans, but with lesser heat the the new P4's.
I've looked for single board computers to support some projects at work. I can't find anything above 300 MHz that runs without fans. Best I could find at 300 MHz was a Celeron. There's something by Via that runs fast with no fan, but I can't find anyone using it commercially.

Well the reason is, VIA uses a half pumped FSB so that kinda kills the performance.


As for people like Chess Squares.

You do realize that Macs are much more secure than windows?

A Brand New Dual 2.5ghz will eat any PC.

And as for the future.

Dual 3.5ghz Processors, with Dual Cores.

Eat shit AMD.

And these are due out in the next month or so.

And you dont seem to realize that people actually use computers for work to, not just games. And there are Mac versions of the better games out there.
A Mac version of games like Half Life 2 will be out in a year or so.
DoomIII is bound to have a Mac version.
HALO already has a Mac version
and there are tons more. The gaming for mac isnt a bad, but that doest mean it's not there.

And PPC procressors are simply better than x86.

Why?

a 1ghz PPC is somewhere around a 2.3.-2.6ghz Pentium 4. So think what TWO of them running at 2.5ghz can do.

and PPC is just newer.

PPC- 1993
x86- Late 70s.

And PPC procressors are simply better than x86.

Why?

a 1ghz PPC is somewhere around a 2.3.-2.6ghz Pentium 4. So think what TWO of them running at 2.5ghz can do.

and PPC is just newer.

PPC- 1993
x86- Late 70s.
That's a what, not a why. Fact is, though, PPC throughput is far better than any x86. That's a why.

Well the reason is, VIA uses a half pumped FSB so that kinda kills the performance.


As for people like Chess Squares.

You do realize that Macs are much more secure than windows?

A Brand New Dual 2.5ghz will eat any PC.

And as for the future.

Dual 3.5ghz Processors, with Dual Cores.

Eat shit AMD.

And these are due out in the next month or so.

And you dont seem to realize that people actually use computers for work to, not just games. And there are Mac versions of the better games out there.
A Mac version of games like Half Life 2 will be out in a year or so.
DoomIII is bound to have a Mac version.
HALO already has a Mac version
and there are tons more. The gaming for mac isnt a bad, but that doest mean it's not there.

And PPC procressors are simply better than x86.

Why?

a 1ghz PPC is somewhere around a 2.3.-2.6ghz Pentium 4. So think what TWO of them running at 2.5ghz can do.

and PPC is just newer.

PPC- 1993
x86- Late 70s.


they are much more secure because they are not widespread use and making a virus for them is pointless, and my pc is perfectly secure because i dont pretend virus and shit wont effect me, your argument is dumb, especially when you consider the implications of them being much more secure: you have to program things completely different than for pc, thus not as many games and stuff i ACTUALLY use are released for them

and everyone else is released dual processors 2 within the next year, its not some magic mac only thing, intel and im sure athlon as well are releasing dual core processors

now take your misinformed macfanboyness somewhere where people care

The Evils of Macs (http://www.happynowhere.net/mac_parody.php)

The Evils of Macs (http://www.happynowhere.net/mac_parody.php)
I'm using my laptop from work. It has WinXP. How come every time I try to watch a movie, I have to go get another plug-in or application? This time it was Windows Media Player, last time it was a newer version of RealPlayer. Once before it was Windows Quicktime. On the Mac, Quicktime does it all.

I'm using my laptop from work. It has WinXP. How come every time I try to watch a movie, I have to go get another plug-in or application? This time it was Windows Media Player, last time it was a newer version of RealPlayer. Once before it was Windows Quicktime. On the Mac, Quicktime does it all.
why dont you open quicktime and assign everything to it then?

why dont you open quicktime and assign everything to it then?
Because I'm stupid.

they are much more secure because they are not widespread use and making a virus for them is pointless, and my pc is perfectly secure because i dont pretend virus and shit wont effect me, your argument is dumb, especially when you consider the implications of them being much more secure: you have to program things completely different than for pc, thus not as many games and stuff i ACTUALLY use are released for them

and everyone else is released dual processors 2 within the next year, its not some magic mac only thing, intel and im sure athlon as well are releasing dual core processors

now take your misinformed macfanboyness somewhere where people care

You are right to an extent, but the mac OSX is just a more secure operating system than Windows XP. And it's also faster than windows xp,

Here are the computers I own.

An 633mhz Celeron PC- With 512mb of ram and a nividia FX 5200, 40 GB hard drive

A Pentium 4., 2.4ghz with windows XP, 1 gig of ram. Geforce 4 video card.
I reformat the fucker every 2 months

I got a Penitum 1 PC with an 10 GB hard drive. It's in the attic hosting music to the steros in the house.

So as you can see I DO own PCs.

And I have an G4 'Cube' With OSX on it, and I love it.
And I got a G3 tower laying around, never used it but a few times.

I've had less problems with the Macs, because OSX is awsome.

And you do realize, AMD will have to make an entre new chip if they want to go dual, because there processors are not dual processor aware.
I think some of the Pentium 4 Server chips are.

And ever if they made 3.5ghz Dual Processors, the Mac processors of the same speed would still be FASTER!

If you want a small computer buy a shuttle, small beautiful and upgradable.


Macs are only good for design applications. Hence they suck for everything else.

If you want a small computer buy a shuttle, small beautiful and upgradable.
The basic Shuttle is $500. Just like the Mac mini. If I could get a discount for removing the WinXP OS, I'd love to have a server like that running Linux. On the other hand, they still have fans. And no matter what you do to reduce the noise, it's still there.


Macs are only good for design applications. Hence they suck for everything else.
So if Macs are only good for design applications, they suck for everything else. So if something is bad for design applications, it must be great for everything else. My Commodore 64 really sucks at design applications, so it must be good for everything else. Anyone want to make an offer?

You are right to an extent, but the mac OSX is just a more secure operating system than Windows XP. And it's also faster than windows xp,

Here are the computers I own.

An 633mhz Celeron PC- With 512mb of ram and a nividia FX 5200, 40 GB hard drive

A Pentium 4., 2.4ghz with windows XP, 1 gig of ram. Geforce 4 video card.
I reformat the fucker every 2 months

I got a Penitum 1 PC with an 10 GB hard drive. It's in the attic hosting music to the steros in the house.

So as you can see I DO own PCs.

And I have an G4 'Cube' With OSX on it, and I love it.
And I got a G3 tower laying around, never used it but a few times.

I've had less problems with the Macs, because OSX is awsome.

And you do realize, AMD will have to make an entre new chip if they want to go dual, because there processors are not dual processor aware.
I think some of the Pentium 4 Server chips are.

And ever if they made 3.5ghz Dual Processors, the Mac processors of the same speed would still be FASTER!

im done with this, macfanboys are worse than blizzard fanboys, and those are horrible

im done with this, macfanboys are worse than blizzard fanboys, and those are horrible
Sorry to see you go. I'm sure there's a mutual admiration society out there somewhere for you.

It took Apple a while to work out people wanted more than one button on a mouse and I'm not sure people want a toaster size computer either. From the looks of it, it's like a laptop board (ie all in one place) so upgrading it will be impossible except for memory upto 1 Gb. It's only got 32Mb of video ram (like my ATI Radeon 7500 on my laptop) so gamers would not be happy with the ATI Radeon 9200 on it.

I really think that the mac mini is hot. Sure, it isn't the best for gaming or upgrading but it is still good for working on things such as web site testing. I use mac OS X to test my PHP scripts sometimes (when I don't have my linux box with me). I think it would also be good when you want to show someone something you have done on it. You just ask if you can use thier monitor, keyboard, and mouse (mouse could be optional because you can use only keyboard). Sure, the mac mini may not be the best thing out there but it is cheap and small :D

It took Apple a while to work out people wanted more than one button on a mouse and I'm not sure people want a toaster size computer either. From the looks of it, it's like a laptop board (ie all in one place) so upgrading it will be impossible except for memory upto 1 Gb. It's only got 32Mb of video ram (like my ATI Radeon my laptop) so gamers would not be happy.
I really don't know who is Apple's target audience with this computer. I think they are just trying to appeal to first time buyers that don't have any real use for a computer, other than internet browsing and email reading. On the other hand, this would be a pretty good package for controlling a home entertainment system. Computers are just tools. They don't always do what you want, but then neither does my hammer.

I tihnk it's a great alternitive to those horrible 500 dollar Dell Celerons.
128mb of ram is standard on those things * shutters *

I think it's made to be a work computer.
It's not really good at anything, it's good for anyhing.
It's average.
And they have screen shots of it playing HALO for Mac. and it didnt look that bad.

I really don't know who is Apple's target audience with this computer. I think they are just trying to appeal to first time buyers that don't have any real use for a computer, other than internet browsing and email reading. On the other hand, this would be a pretty good package for controlling a home entertainment system. Computers are just tools. They don't always do what you want, but then neither does my hammer.

It's not for gamers who always want to upgrading EVERYTHING, and not the super-power users who are much the same. For a user who wants a basic package for web browsing and typical office applications, it's perfect. As a multi-media super-box, it'd work but then you'd need to buy some software to support what you want it to do (apart from the built-in software).

Might be good for Mac-based businesses who want a cheap workstation.
It looks like a high-tech toaster to me.

I tihnk it's a great alternitive to those horrible 500 dollar Dell Celerons.
128mb of ram is standard on those things * shutters *

I think it's made to be a work computer.
It's not really good at anything, it's good for anyhing.
It's average.
And they have screen shots of it playing HALO for Mac. and it didnt look that bad.
stop arguing, all your going to do is baselessly and uninformedly bash pcs for no reason at all and sign the praises of mac, shut up

It's not for gamers who always want to upgrading EVERYTHING, and not the super-power users who are much the same. For a user who wants a basic package for web browsing and typical office applications, it's perfect. As a multi-media super-box, it'd work but then you'd need to buy some software to support what you want it to do (apart from the built-in software).

Might be good for Mac-based businesses who want a cheap workstation.
It looks like a high-tech toaster to me.
My 512KE is a fish tank.

My 512KE is a fish tank.

The old Macs were good for those. The iMac would be a good fish tank too.

stop arguing, all your going to do is baselessly and uninformedly bash pcs for no reason at all and sign the praises of mac, shut up
I thought you were outta here.

On a complete different note, the way to tell if Apple is serious about this computer is to look at the CPU. If it's socketed, there will be someone that comes out with a 1.5x, 2x, or maybe a 4x speed upgrade. If it's soldered, like the Powerbook 3400, it's not something you should buy. I love the 3400, but I can't get anymore than 266 Mhz out of the PPC 601.

The old Macs were good for those. The iMac would be a good fish tank too.
There's a lot of slope to the top. I don't know how big a tank you could fit inside. When my 266 iMac quits, I'll have to look at it.

There's a lot of slope to the top. I don't know how big a tank you could fit inside. When my 266 iMac quits, I'll have to look at it.

The eMacs are very slopey (like the old iMac) and the iMac G5 doesn't make much a fish tank being so flat.

stop arguing, all your going to do is baselessly and uninformedly bash pcs for no reason at all and sign the praises of mac, shut up
1. Start using the shift button. It's 5/16 of an inch from the Z button to the shift button. My head hurts, this is not inteneted to be a flame, my head actually hurts now.

2. Have you ever actually used a new mac? They are quite nice. And quite fast.

3. Did you know that Macs actually have more programs than PCs?
Virtual PC allows you to run anything from windows, though it's ram hog. The new G5s can actually run windows games.

So you got all Windows Programs and all Mac programs. Last time I checked, PCs can run Mac programs.

Then most Linux programs will run on OSX with some recompliing.

So you Got Mac+Windows+Linux= More Programs than PCs.

4. When did I say PCs were bad? I only said Macs are better.

5. If I was such a " PC Basher " then why do I OWN THREE PC'S?

6. You need to realize, the difference between PPC and x86, it's not an matter of opinion, PPC IS faster when at the same clock speeds as a x86 processor.

7. I think the new Mac Mini is a great little computer. It's not excelent at doing anything. But it's great for people who want to check there email, chat on the internet do some surfing. And maybe a game of HALO or Age Of empires 2 every once in a while.

8. Yeah man all Macs, you can NEVER upgarde them. I mean comeone look at that! http://www.idanda.net/images/choice/05/G5/inside-large.jpg
I mean even with all those useless Expanshion slots, you can never upgrade ANYTHING! * sarcasam *

I mean comeone look at that! http://www.idanda.net/images/choice/05/G5/inside-large.jpg
I mean even with all those useless Expanshion slots, you can never upgrade ANYTHING! * sarcasam *
When I went to the store and opened up the G5, that view was what sold me. That and the eighth inch aluminum case.

This is the slickest little computer (http://www.apple.com/macmini/) that I have ever seen! This is the machine that Apple will use to convert those neanderthal Windows users.

This, along with the Ipod (which actually sucks compared to what else is out there) will be known as the things that allowed Apple to survive for a couple more years before being crushed by Microsoft.

That thing looks like a shiny cigar case.

When I went to the store and opened up the G5, that view was what sold me. That and the eighth inch aluminum case.
Indeed, it is a big sexy bitch, isn't it? :D

When I saw one I was amazed how quiet it was, until you open the case.


when you open the case, the fans speed up to 9000 RPM, because openeing the case fucks up the whole " Wind Tunnel "
All my computers were given to me, or I found them.
Expect for the P4, was a gift.

My 1st computer I actually buy will probably be a Mac Mini, when I get the cash.

This, along with the Ipod (which actually sucks compared to what else is out there) will be known as the things that allowed Apple to survive for a couple more years before being crushed by Microsoft.

That thing looks like a shiny cigar case.
The 295 million profit this quarter and the 373 percent growth, year over year sure has ME worried.

The Evils of Macs (http://www.happynowhere.net/mac_parody.php)
lmao! sooo funny.... and true!

I am a long term PC user (since I was about 4), but i've been around my fair share of macs: i work in graphic design (yes, using a PC... it is fuckin possible!) and know many agencies/printers etc, that i work closely with, who use macs. Also, a friend of mine recently got a mac (he hates it btw...hahaha).
Power-wize, for graphics, they seem fine - plenty quick, good resolutions. but the OS is one of the most STUPID things i have ever seen! completely illogical, irrational - dragging everything to the bloody desktop makes no sense at all! put it straight in folders and file it properly for fucks sake! That's my major gripe cos thats all i usually see of the OS and don't know much else.
As a computer, being incompatible with both (at a guess) 80% of the software and new hardware out there is also stupid. The reason why mac peripherals and codecs etc work "straight away, no fuss" is because apple have to design and make everything themselves... because nobody else will. Not being able to upgrade it, and the (generally) ridiculously high price tag is also stupid - why would anyone decide to use these? I mean, graphic design, (some) website stuff and video editing are the professional cornerstones of apple, but i don't see why... PCs can, and do, do everything a mac can do -and often better too. the people i work with seem to only be using macs in the workplace because that is all they have ever used - no real reason at all.

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edit: oh and a question... what share in apple do MS own?

How apple works. Here (http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/)

Cliky.Cliky.

1. Start using the shift button. It's 5/16 of an inch from the Z button to the shift button. My head hurts, this is not inteneted to be a flame, my head actually hurts now.

2. Have you ever actually used a new mac? They are quite nice. And quite fast.

3. Did you know that Macs actually have more programs than PCs?
Virtual PC allows you to run anything from windows, though it's ram hog. The new G5s can actually run windows games.

So you got all Windows Programs and all Mac programs. Last time I checked, PCs can run Mac programs.

Then most Linux programs will run on OSX with some recompliing.

So you Got Mac+Windows+Linux= More Programs than PCs.

4. When did I say PCs were bad? I only said Macs are better.

5. If I was such a " PC Basher " then why do I OWN THREE PC'S?

6. You need to realize, the difference between PPC and x86, it's not an matter of opinion, PPC IS faster when at the same clock speeds as a x86 processor.

7. I think the new Mac Mini is a great little computer. It's not excelent at doing anything. But it's great for people who want to check there email, chat on the internet do some surfing. And maybe a game of HALO or Age Of empires 2 every once in a while.

8. Yeah man all Macs, you can NEVER upgarde them. I mean comeone look at that! http://www.idanda.net/images/choice/05/G5/inside-large.jpg
I mean even with all those useless Expanshion slots, you can never upgrade ANYTHING! * sarcasam *
1) the word is "intended"
2) irrelevant
3) emulators are never as good as the real thing, unless you got some uber tweaking skills
4) shut up, just shut up, go to a mac board and espouse the perfection of macs and have the other nerds bow down before you in worship of your great mac praising ability
5) do you use them everyday for your everyday stuff? fishtanks and dust collectors dont count
6) me = no care.
7) you can do that with a $400- pc
8) and not only that but you have to get it all from mac! woo! awesome, way to corner a market

1. Ok I made a spelling error, thats fine.
2. If you've never used a Mac, you have no right to bash them.
3. I've seen G5s run HALO PC quite nicely actually. And Linux programs run damm well on PPC, Heres what you have with linux. Linux= If it has memory and some kind of processor, linux will run on it.
4. I Guess it's a matter of opinion. But I always thought Macs were better than PCs.
5.
Let me think.

The 633mhz Celeron is running Windows ME, and I have it in my room. I use it from time to time, But I mostly use it to play Retro DOS games.

The Pentium 1 has Windows NT 4 on it. And It hosts music to steros in the house, allowing them to play music from it's hard drive.

The Pentium 4, is the " Famliy Computer " I run some games on it.
It can run HALO PC just fine, but why waste your time with that when you have it on XBOX, then again Online is always nice.

No fish tanks or dust collectors!

6. If your so concered about preformance, then you should care.

7. You could do that with a 400 Dollar PC, but Macs have always been more expensive, because of their Higher Built Quailty.

Did you ever think that a Mac Mini is actually more powerful than a 400 dollar PC, because it probably is.

8. Well because Make Macs all there own hardware, why not?
And there video cards come from comapanys like nivdia and ATI. Sound Cards come from Creative.

Ram comes from Kingston.

Ect ect.

Take YOUR misinformed argument somewhere else.

bumpage, COme one it's Mini!

It's back from the dead! Grr.. Arghh.. *Random zombie noises*

Computers are tools, everyone has their preference in tools, when I read these threads it just makes me laugh to see how people can get so angry over which system is best...

why the hell does it matter if your happy with what you have then be happy with it, this is almost worse then fundie christians trying to convert others.

get over it...

~runs out to buy the mini mac to sit with her G5 dual and g4 imac flatscreen and g3 powerbook~

hehe macs rule pc's drool

Computers are tools, everyone has their preference in tools, when I read these threads it just makes me laugh to see how people can get so angry over which system is best...

why the hell does it matter if your happy with what you have then be happy with it, this is almost worse then fundie christians trying to convert others.

get over it...

~runs out to buy the mini mac to sit with her G5 dual and g4 imac flatscreen and g3 powerbook~

hehe macs rule pc's drool

I think, if you look at the posts, Mac users are the most even-tempered and tolerant bunch of people.


Do you think Apple has a valium ray coming from the computer, in addition to the "buy Mac" mantra that I hear the fan singing. How about passing the time with a game of solitare?

I try to be nice,
I dont consider myself a Mac User.
Because the Macs I have are under my bed, and if they come out they wont be used much.

I use my PCs alot more, Because I dont have the cash for a new Mac.

I think Windows XP is a Great operating system. But I do perfer OSX for some odd reason.

And I love the Doc!

But I think the Start bar is a bit more useful.

I don't know how a cube can be ugly.

Since Mac aren't as f'd up as pcs, 1.42 Ghz flies. I have 1.25 and am able to do video editing with effects in real time.

Macs come I don't know anything I could buy for the mac that I just can't plug in and it works.

But hey, stay with the computer you have to constantly tinker with to kinda work.
Why would I need a computer that is supposedly so much better than a PC yet is completely useless?

Dude, it's $499. Thats PC price
A PC with no good software or games.

Indeed, the Mac Mini comes with loads of useful software, and it CAN run HALO at a decent framerate, and it can run most new games at decent settings.

I think, if you look at the posts, Mac users are the most even-tempered and tolerant bunch of people.


Do you think Apple has a valium ray coming from the computer, in addition to the "buy Mac" mantra that I hear the fan singing. How about passing the time with a game of solitare?

I agree with your first bit, as I am a mac user.

Not quite sure what you mean about the valium ray but I know personally I would rather be around even tempered and tolerant people so if that is what is happening I say bring on the valium ray!

and to the poster who claims they are useless all I can say is being a Mac user provides very well for my family ...

Didn't you guys learn anything from Alansyism about not flaming each other over your computer preferences?

I think, if you look at the posts, Mac users are the most even-tempered and tolerant bunch of people.


Do you think Apple has a valium ray coming from the computer, in addition to the "buy Mac" mantra that I hear the fan singing. How about passing the time with a game of solitare?

I agree with your first bit, as I am a mac user.

Not quite sure what you mean about the valium ray but I know personally I would rather be around even tempered and tolerant people so if that is what is happening I say bring on the valium ray!

and to the poster who claims they are useless all I can say is being a Mac user provides very well for my family ...

what a hunk of crap...
for anyone who uses a pc for stuff besides e-mail and web browsing, that pc is completely useless.
oh wait, you can play Nanosaur! perhaps one of the worst games ever created. one day you mac people will figure out that being able to upgrade a pc over time is a bloody good feature, and that style means stuff-all if your system is only capable of running a stupidly small amount of applications.

:D flamebait!

I am a loooong-time mac user. The mac wasn't my first computer with a graphical user interface - that distinction belongs to my old, dear-departed Atari ST. I replaced the ST with a mac LC3, and later in order: a mac LC475 (still in a closet somewhere), a performa 5200, a powermac 8100 and lastly, a G3 in the original beige case.

I just bought a new computer. I've never been one for hardware, hence my preference to mac - but this time...

...this time, I had a knowledgeable friend help me out, and he built me the sweetest low-rider Windows-based computer I've ever seen. It's got storage approaching a terabyte, really really fast processing times, a fantastic video card - this machine has been a pleasure to use, especially online. We pimped it out with transparent panels and blue LEDs inside the case.

Damn it's fine-!

And yeah, this breaks a chain of consumer loyalty that extends back to 1990. Why? By the time I can afford the new macs, i.e. by the time time they've dropped prices sufficiently to make the current line of macs affordable, the stopwatch to obselescence has begun. For the price of a solid mac, I was able to assemble a superlative pc.

And you know, there's not a whole helluva lot of difference in my opinion. The apps I use work as well or better on this box. Windows XP feels more like a mac environment than OS X ever did to me. And now, finally, after all these years...I can just go to a store, most any store, even the business depot up the street, and buy a video game. A brand-new one. Not one that requires an emulator.

It's been great fun playing, as well as working again!

I don't care who's OS I'm running. Just give me something I don't have to think about.

once you've seen the thinks visual basic can go, no mac will ever convert you

once you've seen the thinks visual basic can go, no mac will ever convert you

huh?

huh?

Allow me.


Once you've seen the things Visual Basic can do, no Mac will ever convert you.

Allow me.

Ah, thanks. Not quite my field of endeavour, but I can see they're powerful tools, yes?

I used to know a few mac developers who got sick of things around 97 or so and got into PCs instead. The only people I know now who use them are diehards like my uncle, or video editors.

The basic Shuttle is $500. Just like the Mac mini.
Sweet- Thanks for the tip! I'm in love with these machines. This is going to be my Valentine's gift to myself now.
Can't wait.
http://sys.us.shuttle.com/Home.aspx

My ex-girlfriend had a Mac. It was a POS. It played DVD's okay, but as a designer, I didn't like it at all. I just couldn't get used to the interface. Like trying to learn a foreign language as an adult.
While working, I don't need any other tasks, trust me.

I agree with your first bit, as I am a mac user.

Not quite sure what you mean about the valium ray but I know personally I would rather be around even tempered and tolerant people so if that is what is happening I say bring on the valium ray!

and to the poster who claims they are useless all I can say is being a Mac user provides very well for my family ...

After I wrote my bit about being tolerant and even-tempered, it reminded me of the line from the Manchurian Candidate..."Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest human being...". That's why I included the bit about solitare.