True False Bible?
Arabian Mocha Java
12-01-2005, 04:37
I was wondering if any of you knew of a flash-animated Bible predictor. Essentially, it asked true or false questions about what you thought the Bible said about modern day issues (abortion, homosexuality, etc) and provided a passage that proved what you clicked right. You could visit the same topics and choose differnt answers and still be rewarded with "True". This was done to prove the hypocrisy and murkiness of the bible on just about everything.
It was on some webpage and I cant find it.
Thanks
Arabian Mocha Java
14-01-2005, 02:21
Bump
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 02:29
you don't need a website to see that.
just flip a bible open to a random page.
Commando2
14-01-2005, 02:33
Go away you intolerant bigot. And by your username you look muslim. Guess what? Islam is really a pagan moon worshipping religion warped with Judeo-Christian traditions.
(Note- I don't actually mean the Islam thing but by what the topic creator is doing I can say something like that and be no worse)
eh..i don't get it? What hypocrisy?
Only quote Old Testament...
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 02:38
Go away you intolerant bigot. And by your username you look muslim. Guess what? Islam is really a pagan moon worshipping religion warped with Judeo-Christian traditions.
(Note- I don't actually mean the Islam thing but by what the topic creator is doing I can say something like that and be no worse)
A Christian calling someone an intolerant bigot.
...
HAHAHAHAHA.
A Christian calling someone an intolerant bigot.
...
HAHAHAHAHA.
I don't get what's so funny? Do non Christians have exclusive rights to calling some an intolerant bigot? If so, then i'll call you one just for that comment.
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 02:44
I don't get what's so funny? Do non Christians have exclusive rights to calling some an intolerant bigot? If so, then i'll call you one just for that comment.
Okay, that's fine.
The only difference is that Christianity is supposed to be all about tolerance and peace and love.
I don't claim those beliefs.
I have no problem admitting that I hate religion with a passion.
I believe that if there is a God, the religious will be the first ones to burn in Hell.
So your saying you will burn in hell? After all aren't you religious in your hatred against the religious?
The only difference is that Christianity is supposed to be all about tolerance and peace and love.
I don't claim those beliefs.
So your not tolerant, and hate peace and love???
MOTHER THERESA WILL BURN IN HELL BEFORE JOSEPH STALIN?
Turn off the Big Letters!
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 02:53
MOTHER THERESA WILL BURN IN HELL BEFORE JOSEPH STALIN?
Actually, do your research on Mother Theresa. Wasn't that great of a person.
Bin Laden's deeply religious. I believe he's gonna burn. All the popes that led the crusades; they're gonna burn. Homophobics, they're gonna burn. Members of the white supremists, going to burn. I could go on and on, but if you just thought you could save me a lot of time.
The majority of the worlds problems always go back to religion. Why? Because the best way to acquire power is to claim that it was given to you by God or some supreme being.
Learn some history. Just a little bit of history. That's enough to prove my point.
So your saying you will burn in hell? After all aren't you religious in your hatred against the religious?
religious:
Adjective
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity. 2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
Hm...
I don't believe I'm religious...
So your not tolerant, and hate peace and love???
I don't hate peace and love.
I hate religion.
They are COMPLETELY opposite.
Stop putting words in my mouth if you want to debate me.
Commando2
14-01-2005, 02:57
Hey Jenn Jenn Land you damn hate-monger why don't you go dawn your white hood and lynch some people? Sounds like something an asshat like you would do. You probably have been listening to too muck linkin park since your full of angst. I bet your some gothic 12 year old at a computer with scarred wrists and no friends.
Actually, do your research on Mother Theresa. Wasn't that great of a person.
err why?
Bin Laden's deeply religious. I believe he's gonna burn. All the popes that led the crusades; they're gonna burn. Homophobics, they're gonna burn. Members of the white supremists, going to burn. I could go on and on, but if you just thought you could save me a lot of time.
So the whole world is going to hell? ah, ok.
The majority of the worlds problems always go back to religion. Why? Because the best way to acquire power is to claim that it was given to you by God or some supreme being.
pfft, that was back then. Now the majority come from civil rights activists and other stupidity, who thinks everything should be legalized, and trying to completely remove G-d from society.
Learn some history. Just a little bit of history. That's enough to prove my point.
G-d...your hypocriticalness is choking me. X_X
religious:
Adjective
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity. 2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
Hm...
I don't believe I'm religious...
maybe... but your still a Fanatical Nutjob. That's just as bad.
I don't hate peace and love.
I hate religion.
They are COMPLETELY opposite.
Stop putting words in my mouth if you want to debate me.
No... Religion is Peace and love, but it's hard to love someone, who's trying to kill you. If you want to debate, know your subject first.
And i'm not putting words in your mouth, that's exactly what you said.
The only difference is that Christianity is supposed to be all about tolerance and peace and love.
I don't claim those beliefs.
That is what you said wasn't it?
Hey Jenn Jenn Land you damn hate-monger why don't you go dawn your white hood and lynch some people? Sounds like something an asshat like you would do. You probably have been listening to too muck linkin park since your full of angst. I bet your some gothic 12 year old at a computer with scarred wrists and no friends.
probably one of those idiotic activists, you see at New York who would love to see Religion, Israel, America destroyed, And only Anarchy rule the day... probably also adores ACLU.
Commando2
14-01-2005, 03:04
Jenn Jenn Lands probably a member of the ACLU and the neo-nazi movement.
She'd have to be a Christian to be a Neo-nazi, wouldn't she? anyways off topic.... Jenn Jenn, rebuttal?
Trilateral Commission
14-01-2005, 03:06
Actually, do your research on Mother Theresa. Wasn't that great of a person.
Bin Laden's deeply religious. I believe he's gonna burn. All the popes that led the crusades; they're gonna burn. Homophobics, they're gonna burn. Members of the white supremists, going to burn. I could go on and on, but if you just thought you could save me a lot of time.
The majority of the worlds problems always go back to religion. Why? Because the best way to acquire power is to claim that it was given to you by God or some supreme being.
Learn some history. Just a little bit of history. That's enough to prove my point.
Wow, your political opinions are borderline psychotic. Violence and other problems in the world are not due to religion or atheism, but due to sheer human stupidity which transcends all ideology, nationality, whatever. There are asshat Christians and there are nice Christians, just like there are psychotic atheists and nice atheists. In fact the top three mass murderers in the 20th century (probaly of all time) were atheists - Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler. I know that mother Theresa had regressive opinions about abortion, but she has done much good and you are completely crazy if you think that this person who loved and cared for the poor is worse than Joseph Stalin. And a large percentage of white supremacists (especially in Europe) do not believe in religion (which they think is a Jewish plot). Neo Nazis firmly believe in evolution and they think that white people evolved to be superior to non whites. After your unfounded and lunatic ravings it's hard for me to take you seriously. You are just as intolerant and ill informed as any Christian bible thumper or Islamic fanatic.
Bodies Without Organs
14-01-2005, 03:38
I was wondering if any of you knew of a flash-animated Bible predictor.
Nope.
But I do know where to find this - The Brick Testament (http://www.thebricktestament.com/)
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 03:39
Violence and other problems in the world are not due to religion or atheism, but due to sheer human stupidity which transcends all ideology, nationality, whatever. There are asshat Christians and there are nice Christians, just like there are psychotic atheists and nice atheists. In fact the top three mass murderers in the 20th century (probaly of all time) were atheists - Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler.
First of all, Hitler was a self-professed Christian.
Secondly, you're looking at the 20th century alone.
Forced athiesm is just as bad as forced religion.
You're right, violence and other problems are not caused by religion. But religion is a common instrument through which people accomplish these things.
Commando- I already answered you.
Muh0re- Having opinions does not make one a fanatic. I think I've answered pretty much everything else in your little thread thing...
Bodies Without Organs
14-01-2005, 03:45
Re: Mother Teresa
err why?
She was more concerned with saving the souls of the sick than actually healing them or preventing their physical and mental suffering - many were left to die as soon as they had accepted the Christian faith. She was strongly anti-abortion and would condone it in absolutely no circumstances. She also was quite happy to accept donations from various dodgy characters such as dictators - and it wasn't as if she made criticism of these people while taking their money, instead it was just quietly accepted. Questions also hang over the financial dealings of her mission, and there have been suggestions that quite a proportion of the donatiosn sent to support charity work were redirected into the general wealth of the Vatican.
Here's a quote from the dear lady: "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."
Make of that what you will.
Commando2
14-01-2005, 03:53
First of all, Hitler was a self-professed Christian.
Hitler was a pagan. He believed he was a reincarnated teutonic God.
Trilateral Commission
14-01-2005, 04:01
First of all, Hitler was a self-professed Christian.
No he wasn't. He was raised a Catholic but eventually left behind all organized religion, and he accepted the tenets of Darwinism and racist interpretations of Darwinism.
Secondly, you're looking at the 20th century alone.
That's because the philosophy of atheism did not exist in most of human history, and the 20th century was the first time when atheism achieved widespread success. Just because religion is older than atheism doesn't mean religion is inherently more evil or that atheism is inherently more moderate. In the 20th century atheism has probably been associated with more death than religion in all the rest of human history. For example Mao killed about 60 million people in China in a few years due to his delusional views of a communist paradise.
Keruvalia
14-01-2005, 04:06
I'm deeply religious and I don't think I've ever done anything to harm anyone and I certainly don't have any power ...
But, still, since I'm deeply religious, I am therefore no better than Osama bin Laden. That's ok. I can accept that. Osama and I are equals. Now if he'd just send me some money.
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 04:11
I'm deeply religious and I don't think I've ever done anything to harm anyone and I certainly don't have any power ...
But, still, since I'm deeply religious, I am therefore no better than Osama bin Laden. That's ok. I can accept that. Osama and I are equals. Now if he'd just send me some money.
Again, the religious are the easiest to manipulate.
Thank you to the person who backed up my statement on Mother Theresa.
That's because the philosophy of atheism did not exist in most of human history, and the 20th century was the first time when atheism achieved widespread success. Just because religion is older than atheism doesn't mean religion is inherently more evil or that atheism is inherently more moderate. In the 20th century atheism has probably been associated with more death than religion in all the rest of human history. For example Mao killed about 60 million people in China in a few years due to his delusional views of a communist paradise.
Like I said, it goes both ways. Imposed religion or imposed non-religion are both dangerous. And as of right now, Christianity has made a big contribution to the war with Iraq.
You forget things like the Crusades. You forget the treatment of African Americans, of women, of Native Americans. You forget religious wars within Europe. And it's not just Christianity. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism. They all caused wars.
I have a question for you.
How big must Noah's Ark have been to fit two of each and every species onboard? Considering there are thousands and thousands of species this, to me, seems impossible. If not, tell me how big the boat must have been.
Since not all the species could possibly have fitted onto the boat there must have been some way afterwards for new species to come about. This was the result of evolution.
I think this simple piece of logic can answer a few peoples questions ;)
Vegas-Rex
14-01-2005, 04:20
religious:
Adjective
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity. 2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
Hm...
I don't believe I'm religious...
I don't hate peace and love.
I hate religion.
They are COMPLETELY opposite.
Stop putting words in my mouth if you want to debate me.
I'm religious about Atheism and I hate peace and love (if you have ever had to talk to a school counselor you would too). Does that make me evil? Check out my nation, its evil too.
CthulhuFhtagn
14-01-2005, 04:23
No he wasn't. He was raised a Catholic but eventually left behind all organized religion, and he accepted the tenets of Darwinism and racist interpretations of Darwinism.
Funny, then why did he repeatedly call himself a Catholic is both his speeches and in Mein Kampf? And why did he condemn the ToE? ANd why was he very obviously a YEC?
Trilateral Commission
14-01-2005, 04:23
Again, the religious are the easiest to manipulate.
Thank you to the person who backed up my statement on Mother Theresa.
Like I said, it goes both ways. Imposed religion or imposed non-religion are both dangerous. And as of right now, Christianity has made a big contribution to the war with Iraq.
You forget things like the Crusades. You forget the treatment of African Americans, of women, of Native Americans. You forget religious wars within Europe. And it's not just Christianity. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism. They all caused wars.
How can you say a war is purely caused by religion or any other reason? The only good explanation for all the violence in human history is human stupidity, because these religious crusades are not only caused by religion, but about greed for gold and power, and any number of non-religious factors. For example the treatment of African Americans was not based on religion but on racist bigotry. Almost all black slaves were Christian, yet the white Christian masters continued to enslave them. The most pro-slavery forces in the US were Christian (tidewater Episcopalians for example), and the most anti-slavery forces were also Christian (Quakers and Methodists, mostly). So your generalizations are vastly oversimplified and ill informed. There is no correlation between religion and compassion or religion and violence. Various people will be compassionate or violent no matter if they are atheist or religious. And the Thirty Years War which was the biggest and bloodiest European "religious war" had little to do with religion and had everything to do with a power struggle between the French, Spanish, and Austrians (all of whom were Catholic). Catholic France waged war on Catholic Spain and did not make any religious justification, it was a ruthless power grab. Therefore, all these wars in human history are not *just* caused by religion, they are caused by other aspects of human stupidity too. Same goes for atheist-perpetrated genocides. Stalin didn't kill just because he was an atheist, he was also a psychotic paranoid dictator.
GoodThoughts
14-01-2005, 04:25
Hey Jenn Jenn Land you damn hate-monger why don't you go dawn your white hood and lynch some people? Sounds like something an asshat like you would do. You probably have been listening to too muck linkin park since your full of angst. I bet your some gothic 12 year old at a computer with scarred wrists and no friends.
Create in me a pure heart, O my God, and renew a tranquil conscience within me, O my Hope! Through the spirit of power confirm Thou me in Thy Cause, O my Best-Beloved, and by the light of Thy glory reveal unto me Thy path, O Thou the Goal of my desire! Through the power of Thy transcendent might lift me up unto the heaven of Thy holiness, O Source of my being, and by the breezes of Thine eternity gladden me, O Thou Who art my God! Let Thine everlasting melodies breathe tranquillity on me, O my Companion, and let the riches of Thine ancient countenance deliver me from all except Thee, O my Master, and let the tidings of the revelation of Thine incorruptible Essence bring me joy, O Thou Who art the most manifest of the manifest and the most hidden of the hidden! *249
(Baha'u'llah, Prayers and Meditations by Baha'u'llah, p. 248)
Trilateral Commission
14-01-2005, 04:34
Funny, then why did he repeatedly call himself a Catholic is both his speeches and in Mein Kampf? And why did he condemn the ToE? ANd why was he very obviously a YEC?
Hitler was by no means a practicing Catholic, and his religious beliefs (he sometimes dabbled in Hindu mythology and Viking mythology) were vague and secondary to his concrete plan for an anti-Semitic Germany where the Aryan race was to be the most important object of worship/veneration. He repeatedly called Christianity a Jewish plot to enslave and enfeeble the German people. However he did respect many age-old Catholic traditions, such as virulent anti-Semitism practiced by the Popes. And for final proof that Hitler can't be called a Catholic, he was an ardent admirer of the arch-heretic Martin Luther, because Martin Luther was himself an anti-Semite.
Vegas-Rex
14-01-2005, 04:34
I'm deeply religious and I don't think I've ever done anything to harm anyone and I certainly don't have any power ...
Through your religion, maybe. But everyone harms people over the course of their lives, if only in emotional ways. I watch people every day not know that they are excluding and suppressing people.
Neo Merkrah
14-01-2005, 04:35
I dont get why theres mostly jsut christian bashing things, its illogical! Leave our damn religion alone. Your not making us disbelieve it, just making whatever religion you worship look bad.
Polka Wolka
14-01-2005, 04:39
Hughski - One either believes, or one does not.
If God can do everything, can he make a rock so heavy, that he cannot pick it up?? :headbang: :p
Many of us worry about questioning the existence of God, yet we want to believe.
I agree with the logic that religion is not a bad thing. People, as usual, try to implement their will as the will of God.
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 04:40
How can you say a war is purely caused by religion or any other reason? The only good explanation for all the violence in human history is human stupidity, because these religious crusades are not only caused by religion, but about greed for gold and power, and any number of non-religious factors. For example the treatment of African Americans was not based on religion but on racist bigotry. Almost all black slaves were Christian, yet the white Christian masters continued to enslave them. The most pro-slavery forces in the US were Christian (tidewater Episcopalians for example), and the most anti-slavery forces were also Christian (Quakers and Methodists, mostly). So your generalizations are vastly oversimplified and ill informed. There is no correlation between religion and compassion or religion and violence. Various people will be compassionate or violent no matter if they are atheist or religious. And the Thirty Years War which was the biggest and bloodiest European "religious war" had little to do with religion and had everything to do with a power struggle between the French, Spanish, and Austrians (all of whom were Catholic). Catholic France waged war on Catholic Spain and did not make any religious justification, it was a ruthless power grab. Therefore, all these wars in human history are not *just* caused by religion, they are caused by other aspects of human stupidity too. Same goes for atheist-perpetrated genocides. Stalin didn't kill just because he was an atheist, he was also a psychotic paranoid dictator.
I never said it was entirely for religious reasons. Again, stop putting words into my mouth. Just let it go. I have a point.
I will repeat myself for the last time: religion is used to manipulate people.
I dont get why theres mostly jsut christian bashing things, its illogical! Leave our damn religion alone. Your not making us disbelieve it, just making whatever religion you worship look bad.
Then why so bitchy?
I respect your right to your religion. I just disagree with it, and I'm entitled to speak my mind about it.
So Christ-like, all of you! *applause*
LoL. Commando, you're funny.
Gawd, I've never heard a more ACCURATE discription of myself! Wow!
Vegas-Rex
14-01-2005, 04:40
I dont get why theres mostly jsut christian bashing things, its illogical! Leave our damn religion alone. Your not making us disbelieve it, just making whatever religion you worship look bad.
It may not make you convert, but it does remind people to not let stuff like that happen again. I don't much like Christianity, but its much more important to stop bigotry and suppression than to convert people. Those of you who aren't bigots: good. Spread the teachings of good, whatever religion that may be. Just because I'm evil doesn't mean you have to be.
Keruvalia
14-01-2005, 04:43
Again, the religious are the easiest to manipulate.
I can assure you that I cannot be manipulated by anyone except my wife and occasionally my children.
Lictoria
14-01-2005, 04:48
I think Jenn Jenn Land made some good points. A lot of fights could be avoided if we could just get over the simple problem of people saying: "Betcha my god can beat up your god!" Crusaders slaughtered and raped countless innocent Muslims and called them unclean. They pillaged like barbarians! Hitler slaughtered the Jews and allowed evil bastards like Josef Mengele to perform sick torture experiments on them- in the name of science. Even impregnating women with dachsunds, or psyching prisoners out by standing them up in a line and shooting them in a pattern that would quickly change, just to scare them. And the Nazis weren't even the ultimate evil in the world. It's sick when you think about just how far we're willing to go to prove a point. Hate is a religion. And most religions follow it in one way or another. And I'm no atheist- I still go to church and believe what they tell me about Jesus. As for what I believe out of the bible, that's another story.
I'm sorry but I think that you are all asshats. None of you are willing to accept another's opinion and while that is all fine and dandy, you are all also wrong in some way or another. Jenn Jenn, you have basically stated that religion is a horrible thing and while it certainly has its problems, it is not the root of all evil. It is peoples way of gaining self-confidence, for some people having faith in something without proof or justification is better than not having faith at all. And to the rest of you, religion DEFINATELY does have it's problems. There are far too many religious fanatics out there whose only purpose in life is to breed hate. I think that saying that religion is grand (whether in those words or not) is a far stretch as it is responsible for a lot of hate and anger no matter how good it's intentions were. While both groups arguments were justified in some way they were both horribly flawed.
Mockston
14-01-2005, 04:48
Not following the thread particularily, but:
http://www.retrovsmetro.com/biblequiz/
is what you're looking for, I think? Cute, and point taken, although I find some of its interpretations a bit dubious.
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 04:49
I can assure you that I cannot be manipulated by anyone except my wife and occasionally my children.
How much money do you put in the collection basket every Sunday morning...?
Trilateral Commission
14-01-2005, 04:53
I never said it was entirely for religious reasons. Again, stop putting words into my mouth.
You said it yourself...
The majority of the worlds problems always go back to religion. Why? Because the best way to acquire power is to claim that it was given to you by God or some supreme being.
Just let it go. I have a point.
Just because you are repeating your nonsense over and over again doesnt make it true. You have absolutely no point in your opinion that religion is the chief cause of human suffering, and there is no dodging the fact your statements were spiteful and untrue.
I will repeat myself for the last time: religion is used to manipulate people.
I agree that religion can be used to evil ends, but so can money, sex, and trivial things like petty insults that have caused full scale wars throughout history. Humans are endlessly foolish. But religion's manipulative power wasn't your original point. Your original point that you tried to prove was that all religious people are evil terrorist scum, and this obviously showed you to be ignorant of history and as intolerant as any religious bigot out there.
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 05:02
You said it yourself...
Just because you are repeating your nonsense over and over again doesnt make it true. You have absolutely no point in your opinion that religion is the chief cause of human suffering, and there is no dodging the fact your statements were spiteful and untrue.
I agree that religion can be used to evil ends, but so can money, sex, and trivial things like petty insults that have caused full scale wars throughout history. Humans are endlessly foolish. But religion's manipulative power wasn't your original point. Your original point that you tried to prove was that all religious people are evil terrorist scum, and this obviously showed you to be ignorant of history and as intolerant as any religious bigot out there.
I said it myself, huh?
I believe this was the quote you said indicated that all religion is the chief cause of human suffering.
THIS quote:
The majority of the worlds problems always go back to religion. Why? Because the best way to acquire power is to claim that it was given to you by God or some supreme being.
In that ONE quote, I proved that I did not say ALL of the world's problems go back to religion AND I proved that I was talking about manipulation, you dipshit.
Appearantly, some people think I have good points. Why don't you read the entire fucking post?
I'm done arguing with you. I'm afraid I'm going to catch your stupidity.
Vegas-Rex
14-01-2005, 05:27
Jenn Jenn, you have basically stated that religion is a horrible thing and while it certainly has its problems, it is not the root of all evil. It is peoples way of gaining self-confidence, for some people having faith in something without proof or justification is better than not having faith at all.
I agree. The jews especially have needed their religion in the past, though as anti-semitism cools down they may want to secularize like the rest of us.
Oh yeah, stop yelling at Jen Jen Land, you'll hurt her (his?) feelings. Get back to the debate.
Trilateral Commission
14-01-2005, 05:31
I said it myself, huh?
In that ONE quote, I proved that I did not say ALL of the world's problems go back to religion AND I proved that I was talking about manipulation, you dipshit.
Clearly you meant the Crusades, black slavery, etc went "back to religion". When there were so many various causes of human suffering. And about this pointless bickering over semantics - even if you don't mean literally ALL the worlds problems are caused by fundamentalism, you clearly state that the "majority of the world's problems always goes back to religion," and this is totally unreasonable and uncalled for. I have used plenty of historical evidence to disprove you on this, and even though your point about manipulation is right, is there a reason why you went on a raving mad flamefest about people burning in hell and what not?
Appearantly, some people think I have good points.
So what? I prefer to think for myself.
Why don't you read the entire fucking post?
yes in the rest of your post and other posts you talk about how ALL religious people should burn in hell, and how you hate religion, and how religion is the exact opposite of peace and love... merely reinforcing your extremist and bigotted opinions. You sound like Jerry Falwell at the pulpit blaming lesbians for 9/11 and damning various people to hell. There's no real difference amongst extremist of all stripes whether Southern baptist homophobes or atheists.
I'm done arguing with you. I'm afraid I'm going to catch your stupidity.
OH SNAP. Now that you fail to justify your pointless flaming of religious people, you troll around with your lame ass jokes.
Ellbownia
14-01-2005, 06:19
How much money do you put in the collection basket every Sunday morning...?
You call it manipulation, I call it a free will offering. Who's right...WHO CARES!!!
Jenn-Jenn Land, you said this:
"Again, the religious are the easiest to manipulate."
I would argue that the truly religious are the hardest to manipulate. Stalin got rid of religion, leaving a void that he filled with - himself! By the stroke of a pen, he deprived every peasant in Russia of their land, condemned them to "collectives" which were nothing more than slave labor, slaughtered millions of his own people, and yet, when he died, the people wept, because his propaganda made him their God. Truly grounded in Christianity as I am, believing and worshipping a PERFECT being, I can never be swayed to worship an imperfect man, or an imperfect god, political philosophy, whatever.
Commando2
14-01-2005, 21:34
Funny, then why did he repeatedly call himself a Catholic is both his speeches and in Mein Kampf? And why did he condemn the ToE? ANd why was he very obviously a YEC?
Once again I say Hitler was a pagan, not Christian. He believed he was a reincarnated teutonic God, and no christian would believe that. He also quoted Hindus and other far-eastern religions, and the swatstika was and still is a Hindu symbol.
GoodThoughts
14-01-2005, 22:19
Once again I say Hitler was a pagan, not Christian. He believed he was a reincarnated teutonic God, and no christian would believe that. He also quoted Hindus and other far-eastern religions, and the swatstika was and still is a Hindu symbol.
I'm not sure what you point is here? Are you saying Hindus are pagan, are like Hitler or what?
Jenn Jenn Land
14-01-2005, 22:25
Clearly you meant the Crusades, black slavery, etc went "back to religion". When there were so many various causes of human suffering. And about this pointless bickering over semantics - even if you don't mean literally ALL the worlds problems are caused by fundamentalism, you clearly state that the "majority of the world's problems always goes back to religion," and this is totally unreasonable and uncalled for. I have used plenty of historical evidence to disprove you on this, and even though your point about manipulation is right, is there a reason why you went on a raving mad flamefest about people burning in hell and what not?
So what? I prefer to think for myself.
yes in the rest of your post and other posts you talk about how ALL religious people should burn in hell, and how you hate religion, and how religion is the exact opposite of peace and love... merely reinforcing your extremist and bigotted opinions. You sound like Jerry Falwell at the pulpit blaming lesbians for 9/11 and damning various people to hell. There's no real difference amongst extremist of all stripes whether Southern baptist homophobes or atheists.
OH SNAP. Now that you fail to justify your pointless flaming of religious people, you troll around with your lame ass jokes.
I've already told you that I was done arguing with you. At this point, you just seem too full of pride to let go without getting in the last word. So I'm not even going to respond to this quote.
However.
Commando:
Mark 12:31 and Luke 6:27
Silly Christians. Don't even know their own gd bible.
Arabian Mocha Java
15-01-2005, 06:23
To Commando- I'm not a muslim. Arabian Mocha Java is a blend of Starbucks coffee. It's nice to see that you were that quick to criticize something on just an assumption. In truth, I just like coffee.
To the rest of you- I didn't mean to start another one of those noxious religon anti religon debates. If anything they serve only to further divide us. I have my own opinion. I let others have their own too.
Now does anyone have the damn website? :p
Neo-Anarchists
15-01-2005, 06:30
Hey Jenn Jenn Land you damn hate-monger why don't you go dawn your white hood and lynch some people?
That's kind of what JJL's been opposed to all along...
Sounds like something an asshat like you would do. You probably have been listening to too muck linkin park since your full of angst. I bet your some gothic 12 year old at a computer with scarred wrists and no friends.
Self-Injury is a serious problem. Don't trivialize it.
Also, I believe that constitutes a flame.
Jenn Jenn Lands probably a member of the ACLU and the neo-nazi movement.
Those are sort of opposites...
And flame 2.
Arabian Mocha Java
15-01-2005, 06:30
I lied. Shall the Lord smite me down as I type. ;)
Mockston, has found me my long coveted site (damn there is another one).
Continue your bickering.