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Definition of a teenager?

God's punishment for enjoying sex.

Definition of a teenager?

God's punishment for enjoying sex.

You should avoid any religion that discourages you from enjoying sex. Avoid it like the plague.

Definition of a teenager?

God's punishment for enjoying sex.
Just have yourself sterilized and you'll never have to worry about them.

That's hardly fair. Adolescence is a necessary step in the maturation of any human.

Definition of a teenager?

God's punishment for enjoying sex.


Teenage kids/grandkids being a bit annoying?

At least your gonna get children at all (past tense possibly :P)

*bitter glare*

You should avoid any religion that discourages you from enjoying sex. Avoid it like the plague.

Well according to Christianity God made sex to be a very enjoyable thing. He made our bodies to fit the way he did. It was a pure gift to people.

People have perversed it into something unclean and impure.

God discourages sex outside of marriage because of the lust that comes with it. You lust for sex. You lust for it over all else.

That lust makes you forget about God.

Well according to Christianity God made sex to be a very enjoyable thing. He made our bodies to fit the way he did. It was a pure gift to people.

People have perversed it into something unclean and impure.

God discourages sex outside of marriage because of the lust that comes with it. You lust for sex. You lust for it over all else.

That lust makes you forget about God.

I agree. Mankind (the human race) destroys or perverts almost everything we get our hands on to something evil, vile, unclean, disgusting, sinful. Unfortunately. Besides, we brought this upon ourselves with Adam and Eve in the first place so why do we complain?

I agree. Mankind (the human race) destroys or perverts almost everything we get our hands on to something evil, vile, unclean, disgusting, sinful. Unfortunately. Besides, we brought this upon ourselves with Adam and Eve in the first place so why do we complain?
You're just pissed off cause you can't get laid.

Definition of being old?
God's punishment for complaining about your kids.

That lust makes you forget about God.
Forget about God? No, I just think he's an asshole.

You're just pissed off cause you can't get laid.

Sorry but I don't quite understand what you meant but I have the feeling I don't want to know. It's your life anyways but we'll all know the truth in the end.

I agree. Mankind (the human race) destroys or perverts almost everything we get our hands on to something evil, vile, unclean, disgusting, sinful. Unfortunately. Besides, we brought this upon ourselves with Adam and Eve in the first place so why do we complain?

Er, some of us don't believe that Adam and Eve existed. Plus, not all of us share your pessimistic view of humankind.

Forget about God? No, I just think he's an asshole.

But the only "asshole" around here is all of us for thinking that we could live our lives without him. There is no proof that there isn't a God and besides it's better to be in a win-win situation than being in a lose-lose situation.

Er, some of us don't believe that Adam and Eve existed. Plus, not all of us share your pessimistic view of humankind.

But is it true. Adam and Eve can't be proven not to have existed, although they can't be physically proven to have existed unless you use the Bible as a reference. The Bible also hasn't been proven wrong yet so I'll continue believing.

At least your gonna get children at all (past tense possibly :P)

*bitter glare*

:confused:

But the only "asshole" around here is all of us for thinking that we could live our lives without him. There is no proof that there isn't a God and besides it's better to be in a win-win situation than being in a lose-lose situation.

No worries, mate. He was just trying to provoke you.

Definition of being old?
God's punishment for complaining about your kids.
Alternatively ...

Insanity is hereditary ... you catch it from your kids. :D

No worries, mate. He was just trying to provoke you.

Well, he has and I'm ready to argue with him even though neither side can really win.

Alternatively ...

Insanity is hereditary ... you catch it from your kids. :D

You sure? How would you know? We don't even know how the genome works entirely yet, so it's a possibilty yes but not garunteed

I think about the people from the hippie generation(not assuming you are) getting POed at teenagers and sometimes I think they're being reasonable. Then I realize when they were teenagers they or their friends were probably smoking pot and deciding "free love" was an okay thing. It really burns me up, especially when people make generalizations about my age bracket. I don't skate your rails, or smoke weed, or do it with people I'm not married to. So let me listen to my loud music, let me kickflip on my own driveway, and let me hang with my buddies at school. Don't tell me I'm a deadbeat, because quite possibly someone you were friends with was a hell of a lot worse then me.(Once again, not assuming you're from the hippie generation. But I'm sure there are people reading this from the hippie generation that agree with you.)

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Well no government in their right mind is going to let ME adopt, and lets face it that is the only way short of some freaky man uterus miracle im going to get children.

You sure? How would you know? We don't even know how the genome works entirely yet, so it's a possibilty yes but not garunteed
Well, I know because several on here have either implied or stated outright that I'm not fully sane ( the iconoclastic ChessSquares being chief among them ), and I use to be sane before I helped raise five children ... draw your own conclusions. :D

But is it true. Adam and Eve can't be proven not to have existed, although they can't be physically proven to have existed unless you use the Bible as a reference. The Bible also hasn't been proven wrong yet so I'll continue believing.
Well, to say that its been proven wrong is kinda misleading, as it assumes that it was written as a factual accounting of events rather that a blend of allegorical stories and moral teachings. Nevertheless, if you believe that it is correct 100%, in all forms and in all areas, then you are misleading yourself and if you think that there is no evidence of its innacuracies, then you certainly haven't been looking for them

Well, I know because several on here have either implied or stated outright that I'm not fully sane ( the iconoclastic ChessSquares being chief among them ), and I use to be sane before I helped raise five children ... draw your own conclusions. :D
I used to be sane, too...but then my brother was born. Poof..there went sanity. I'm a teenager..and I understand perfectly how crazy we can drive adults.. but it works the other way, too, lol!

I think about the people from the hippie generation(not assuming you are) getting POed at teenagers and sometimes I think they're being reasonable. Then I realize when they were teenagers they or their friends were probably smoking pot and deciding "free love" was an okay thing. It really burns me up, especially when people make generalizations about my age bracket. I don't skate your rails, or smoke weed, or do it with people I'm not married to. So let me listen to my loud music, let me kickflip on my own driveway, and let me hang with my buddies at school. Don't tell me I'm a deadbeat, because quite possibly someone you were friends with was a hell of a lot worse then me.(Once again, not assuming you're from the hippie generation. But I'm sure there are people reading this from the hippie generation that agree with you.)

Well, I have to hand it to you, you have a point. Not only that but there's the fact that as you said there tends to be very similar things happening throughout time. Humans really remain the same. It's the way of doing things that changes. But not everyone is the same. So are worst, some are better, some...simply are.

I think I'll just sit back and read this conversation. I've been in a lot of religious or political threads and I'm tired of discussions in which there is no chance that either person will convince the other.

Well, to say that its been proven wrong is kinda misleading, as it assumes that it was written as a factual accounting of events rather that a blend of allegorical stories and moral teachings. Nevertheless, if you believe that it is correct 100%, in all forms and in all areas, then you are misleading yourself and if you think that there is no evidence of its innacuracies, then you certainly haven't been looking for them

But prove it wrong. There have been actual cities found where the Bible says they were. Actual people. Besides, it is an actual acount (maybe not to you). But still you won't budge just as I won't budge so leave it at that please.

I think I'll just sit back and read this conversation. I've been in a lot of religious or political threads and I'm tired of discussions in which there is no chance that either person will convince the other.

I totally agree but heck, might as well try. Besides, you might actually convince the person.

Well, I know because several on here have either implied or stated outright that I'm not fully sane ( the iconoclastic ChessSquares being chief among them ), and I use to be sane before I helped raise five children ... draw your own conclusions. If you had more than one you deserved what ever you got. After all, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me again, shame on me. :D

And, exactly what did they do to provoke you to start the thread with such a statement? Common. We want the skinny.

Well no government in their right mind is going to let ME adopt, and lets face it that is the only way short of some freaky man uterus miracle im going to get children.
Oh. Well, I see that changing over the next few years. If push comes to shove, you might consider selecting someone agreeable for artificial insemination. :)

If you had more than one you deserved what ever you got. After all, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me again, shame on me. :D

And, exactly what did they do to provoke you to start the thread with such a statement? Common. We want the skinny.

Hey, I have four brothers and my parents are OK. Besides, having lots of kids might not be bad, a handful, but not nessecarily bad.

1 true thing doesen't mean they are all true

1 true thing doesen't mean they are all true

But one true thing and no wrong things means that it can be treated as true. Now could this stop because it's just going to go in circles. Don't believe me, just continue.

Forget about God? No, I just think he's an asshole.

Well. If you read the rest of the post I was saying "in Christian beliefs"

You're obviously not Christian so it wasn't directed to you.

But prove it wrong. There have been actual cities found where the Bible says they were.Yes. That just proves it wasn't 100% wrong. That's not good enought.

Besides, it is an actual acount (maybe not to you). But still you won't budge just as I won't budge so leave it at that please.
Alright, well you can feel free to ignore this then, but for everyone elses' benefit.

Theres a book called Truth and fiction in the Bible (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679744061/qid=1105487260/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-6921165-3363308?v=glance&s=books&n=507846). A nice little summation of one particular point from the Amazon review.

"He notes how Luke irretrievably muddled his nativity story by tying Herod's reign with a census conducted under Governor Quirinius of Syria, not aware that Quirinius, and the census vital for moving Mary and Joseph from Nazareth to Bethlehem, were separated from Herod by at least a decade."

See, the last King Herod died in 6BC. Okay, maybe the date of 0AD as Jesus' birth is just a mistake. But Quirinius wasn't Governor of Syria until about 6AD. And the Romans wouldn't have had a census that sent people back to their hometowns, cos the Romans didn't care the Joseph was from the House of David, they just wanted to know where he was now so they could tax him. And even if they had bizzarely decided to do so, Bethlehem at this time wasn't under Roman control, so if they'd sent Mary and Joseph there, they would have been unable to tax them.

Things like when the Romans occupied Syria are fairly obscure facts today, but back in Biblical times, it was common knowledge. It'd be like forgetting 1969 was the year we landed on the moon. But if, like the author of Luke's Gospel, you were writing hundreds of years after the events, you might get a fact or two mixed up. Can we really be so sure, given that even non-subjective facts were muddled, that say, Lazarus was really dead? That there was really no wine left at that shindig in Cana? That the five thousand fed with twelve baskets left over really left their packed lunches at home?

The Bible is a collection of myths, a partial history of the people of Israel, with a couple of chapters of Hewbrew law thrown in. This doesn't mean that its not a useful historical resource, but you've got to remember that some of it isn't the literal truth, and there is symbolism and there is metaphor mixed in, much like the stories that Jesus himself tells to illustrate his points.

But one true thing and no wrong things means that it can be treated as true. Now could this stop because it's just going to go in circles. Don't believe me, just continue.
I just gave you some mistakes.

Elroy is a guy I love on these topics. A recovering christian, he has some nice essays against those who twist his former faith to their own ends (the Religious Right of America.)

On the infallible truth of the Bible.
http://www.elroy.net/ehr/fighttheright.html#thebible

Of course, you can also just quote these two verses one right after the other:

"God is not like men, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks and it is done." - Numbers 23:19

"So the Lord changed his mind and did not bring on his people the disaster he threatened." - Exodus 32:14

Hey, I have four brothers and my parents are OK. Besides, having lots of kids might not be bad, a handful, but not nessecarily bad. But your father isn't posting on the net complaining about his kids. What I meant was that if one has one kid and the experience drives one crazy, what the heck are is one doing having not one, not two, not three -- but four more?

'Well no government in their right mind is going to let ME adopt, and lets face it that is the only way short of some freaky man uterus miracle im going to get children. Well, why don't you try to become the kind of person that would be eligible to adopt? As long as you aren't older-than-dirt, senile, insolvent, irresponsible, addicted, abusive, or have a criminial record many foreign countries have a fairly open-minded attitude about what consitutes an "adoptive parent." Anyone who wants kids biological or otherwise has an oibligation to try to make themselves into the kind of person who is an effective parent anyway.

' Well, why don't you try to become the kind of person that would be eligible to adopt? As long as you aren't older-than-dirt, senile, insolvent, irresponsible, addicted, abusive, or have a criminial record many foreign countries have a fairly open-minded attitude about what consitutes an "adoptive parent." Anyone who wants kids biological or otherwise has an oibligation to try to make themselves into the kind of person who is an effective parent anyway.
I find this one a rather odd standard actually. Great pains are taken to ensure that people who want to adopt are safe, sane and sensible, but no such precautions are taken for natural parents. Is the 15 year old who gets drunk, high and then pregnant a more suitible mother just because the kid came out of her uterus? I don't know quite what I'd change there, but something is pretty freaky about that I think you'll agree.

I find this one a rather odd standard actually. Great pains are taken to ensure that people who want to adopt are safe, sane and sensible, but no such precautions are taken for natural parents. Is the 15 year old who gets drunk, high and then pregnant a more suitible mother just because the kid came out of her uterus? I don't know quite what I'd change there, but something is pretty freaky about that I think you'll agree.

i have to say, that is a very good arguement, a very true arguement

I find this one a rather odd standard actually. Great pains are taken to ensure that people who want to adopt are safe, sane and sensible, but no such precautions are taken for natural parents. Is the 15 year old who gets drunk, high and then pregnant a more suitible mother just because the kid came out of her uterus? I don't know quite what I'd change there, but something is pretty freaky about that I think you'll agree.
When society was more communal, tribal, or what-have-you, there were widely accepted standards for child-rearing, and many close relatives to assist and advise the parents. With the rather rootless society we have developed in the US, parents are more on their own when it comes to child rasing. When the parents fail, many people insist that the responsibility be shifted onto the school.

Quite frankly, I think the entire society, and not just the schools, could benefit by seeking out those who have been successful parents and having them teach parenting skills to prospective parents.

I dont want to have to conform to what they want of a good parent, because no normal parent has to. I dont want to have to curtail my ridiculous ambition or find a sensible partner of at least the opposite sex. I dont feel i should ahve to demonstrate any parenting skills when my own parents clearly had none. I just feel cheated.

But one true thing and no wrong things means that it can be treated as true. Now could this stop because it's just going to go in circles. Don't believe me, just continue.
Pi isn't 3, bats aren't birds, hyraxes don't chew cud, and locusts don't have 4 legs. There. 4 things wrong. I win.

besides it's better to be in a win-win situation than being in a lose-lose situation.
? :rolleyes:

Therein lies the difference between you and me. I will stick to what I believe in and those who would have me change at the whim of a sadistic asshole be damned.

Well. If you read the rest of the post I was saying "in Christian beliefs"

You're obviously not Christian so it wasn't directed to you.
Nope, I'm the type who is willing to wait and find out. If it turns out I did the "wrong" thing, tough noogies.

Definition of a teenager?

God's punishment for enjoying sex.

I have three teenage sons.. I am being punished alot

But is it true. Adam and Eve can't be proven not to have existed, although they can't be physically proven to have existed unless you use the Bible as a reference. The Bible also hasn't been proven wrong yet so I'll continue believing.

My pagan belief that the Goddess and nature are one cannot be disproven either. The same goes for my belief that there is not good or evil in actions themselves, but in the intent.

But the only "asshole" around here is all of us for thinking that we could live our lives without him. There is no proof that there isn't a God and besides it's better to be in a win-win situation than being in a lose-lose situation.

Ohhhh boy. One of these arguments.

It's only a 'win-win' situation if there's only one possible religion. As a matter of fact, there a many, many religions. Even if there is a god, unless you've picked the exact right religion, and followed the right set of rules, you're just as fucked as us atheists.

Also, in reference to your next post, which I've neglected to quote, lack of proof is not proof. I have no proof of a fluffy pink unicorn that hangs the stars at night, but that doesn't mean it's just as likely that there is one, rather than that there isn't.

Elroy is a guy I love on these topics. A recovering christian, he has some nice essays against those who twist his former faith to their own ends (the Religious Right of America.)

On the infallible truth of the Bible.
http://www.elroy.net/ehr/fighttheright.html#thebible
Of course, you can also just quote these two verses one right after the other:

"God is not like men, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks and it is done." - Numbers 23:19

"So the Lord changed his mind and did not bring on his people the disaster he threatened." - Exodus 32:14

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OMG! Somebody hand this person a beer! :D

Ohhhh boy. One of these arguments.

It's only a 'win-win' situation if there's only one possible religion. As a matter of fact, there a many, many religions. Even if there is a god, unless you've picked the exact right religion, and followed the right set of rules, you're just as fucked as us atheists.

Also, in reference to your next post, which I've neglected to quote, lack of proof is not proof. I have no proof of a fluffy pink unicorn that hangs the stars at night, but that doesn't mean it's just as likely that there is one, rather than that there isn't.

*Shrugs sarcastically* By the same token, there is no need for a fluffy pink unicorn. There is a need for an explanation of how we got here.

Ohhhh boy. One of these arguments.

It's only a 'win-win' situation if there's only one possible religion. As a matter of fact, there a many, many religions. Even if there is a god, unless you've picked the exact right religion, and followed the right set of rules, you're just as fucked as us atheists.

its even worse than that. what if the dieties that actually exist get their kicks by rewarding atheists and atheists alone, while punishing everybody else? or the possibility that reward and punishment are handed out at random or switched up occassionally for the rest of eternity no matter how you lived? we have no way to discount those (or anything else) as possibilities.

pascal's wager is just plain dumb - i suspect he wasn't being entirely serious when he wrote it.

There is a need for an explanation of how we got here.

that's what the invisible pink unicorn is for.

Point 1
I can't stand kids. :mp5: They should all be boiled in oil ;) My husband and I are both sterilised and have no intention of adopting, ever. I try to run my Nation on here as I would in real life. So parents are put through rigorous testing before they are allowed to breed, just as it should be.
I know I was a child and a teenager once but that doesn't mean I have to like them now. They have no respect, no discipline and no sense of risk-taking. They are molly-coddled and wrapped up in legislative cotton wool.

Point 2

The Bible is an artful work of fiction. It is a morality tale. It is a guidebook not a statement of facts. It contradicts itself all over the place:

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)
And Jesus said, "You shall not kill ...(Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)

There are lots more but that one sticks in my mind, since not killing is one of the Ten Commandments. :confused:

I don't need some old book to tell me to be nice to people, not to steal, cheat or lie. That should be common sense and should apply to everyone, Pagan, Xtian, Muslim or whatever.

Finally you can ignore me, flame me, berate me ... but you won't convert me ;)

But the only "asshole" around here is all of us for thinking that we could live our lives without him. There is no proof that there isn't a God and besides it's better to be in a win-win situation than being in a lose-lose situation.

You've never had sex have you/

*Shrugs sarcastically* By the same token, there is no need for a fluffy pink unicorn. There is a need for an explanation of how we got here.

Uhhh... there's no 'need' for an explanation of how we got here. We could just as easily say 'we just *are*'. Or, conversly, if the pink fluffy unicorn hangs the stars, there *is* a need for it to exist... to hang the stars.

Whether either entity would care whether we need it or not isn't even relevant. They either exist or they don't. This isn't Discworld. There's no narrivitum. Things don't just exist because humanity thinks they do, or believes they do, or needs them to.

*Shrugs sarcastically* By the same token, there is no need for a fluffy pink unicorn. There is a need for an explanation of how we got here.


You may have 'need' confused with 'desire.'

I think I'll just sit back and read this conversation. I've been in a lot of religious or political threads and I'm tired of discussions in which there is no chance that either person will convince the other.

I agree. Because while the evidence that science offers grows daily, the arguments brought up to discard this evidence diminishes further and further into the realms of "context", or further and further into the realm of fundamentalism.

On a positive point. I don't think anyone will ever convince me through science, or otherwise, that God can not exist. I'm happy believing that God exists. (?!) but that most of the Bible becomes closer to extinction every day. For me, leading a "good" life is most important anyway.

hey im a teenager and i'm not horrible, just look at my lovely lovely work. shows his pride and joy of an english essay and history one, my cousin is the same, he is 14 but he is writing a local history book and helps the environment with me near his house.

Point 1
I can't stand kids. :mp5: They should all be boiled in oil ;) My husband and I are both sterilised and have no intention of adopting, ever. I try to run my Nation on here as I would in real life. So parents are put through rigorous testing before they are allowed to breed, just as it should be.
I know I was a child and a teenager once but that doesn't mean I have to like them now. They have no respect, no discipline and no sense of risk-taking. They are molly-coddled and wrapped up in legislative cotton wool.

It always seemed to me that they took far too many stupid risks. Unless that is what you meant?

And some, albeit few compared to the whole, do show some respect.

It always seemed to me that they took far too many stupid risks. Unless that is what you meant?

And some, albeit few compared to the whole, do show some respect.

Define 'stupid risk.' From my personal definition, there are just as many senior citizens taking even more risks.

Also, thank you for realizing that some teenagers actually have some sense. Actually, I think it's just the more visible and vocal ones who give everyone else a bad name. Doesn't that apply to most other groups?

Define 'stupid risk.' From my personal definition, there are just as many senior citizens taking even more risks.

Also, thank you for realizing that some teenagers actually have some sense. Actually, I think it's just the more visible and vocal ones who give everyone else a bad name. Doesn't that apply to most other groups?
Hee, yeah.

Oh, about the risks: I say it's not the teengers' faults, because they haven't been educated about the risks. But they're still risks. Yeah, everybody takes risks...
Okay, so my point is moot.
:(

But the only "asshole" around here is all of us for thinking that we could live our lives without him. There is no proof that there isn't a God and besides it's better to be in a win-win situation than being in a lose-lose situation.
I find wasting your life believing in something that is not true is a waist … and is considered a loose situation (squandering what you have worshiping your imaginary friend)
There is no proof there IS a god so you have not really proven anything
(you prove something TRUE not prove something false) want me to drag out the pink elephant is god and he likes to eat babies because you cant possibly prove it false analogy

But is it true. Adam and Eve can't be proven not to have existed, although they can't be physically proven to have existed unless you use the Bible as a reference. The Bible also hasn't been proven wrong yet so I'll continue believing.
pi is not equal to 3!

But is it true. Adam and Eve can't be proven not to have existed, although they can't be physically proven to have existed unless you use the Bible as a reference. The Bible also hasn't been proven wrong yet so I'll continue believing.
and by the way, adam and eve can be proven wrong quite simply: every woman passes on her mitochondial dna to her offspring. if the adam and eve story were accurate, only one strand of mitochondiral dna would exist in the human population. similarly, the y-chromosome is largely unaltered throughout the generations so if there was only one initial human male, then there would only be one y-chromosome. however, there are many.

Define 'stupid risk.' From my personal definition, there are just as many senior citizens taking even more risks.

Also, thank you for realizing that some teenagers actually have some sense. Actually, I think it's just the more visible and vocal ones who give everyone else a bad name. Doesn't that apply to most other groups?
Yup! :)

Yes. That just proves it wasn't 100% wrong. That's not good enought.


Alright, well you can feel free to ignore this then, but for everyone elses' benefit.

Theres a book called Truth and fiction in the Bible (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679744061/qid=1105487260/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-6921165-3363308?v=glance&s=books&n=507846). A nice little summation of one particular point from the Amazon review.

"He notes how Luke irretrievably muddled his nativity story by tying Herod's reign with a census conducted under Governor Quirinius of Syria, not aware that Quirinius, and the census vital for moving Mary and Joseph from Nazareth to Bethlehem, were separated from Herod by at least a decade."

See, the last King Herod died in 6BC. Okay, maybe the date of 0AD as Jesus' birth is just a mistake. But Quirinius wasn't Governor of Syria until about 6AD. And the Romans wouldn't have had a census that sent people back to their hometowns, cos the Romans didn't care the Joseph was from the House of David, they just wanted to know where he was now so they could tax him. And even if they had bizzarely decided to do so, Bethlehem at this time wasn't under Roman control, so if they'd sent Mary and Joseph there, they would have been unable to tax them.

Things like when the Romans occupied Syria are fairly obscure facts today, but back in Biblical times, it was common knowledge. It'd be like forgetting 1969 was the year we landed on the moon. But if, like the author of Luke's Gospel, you were writing hundreds of years after the events, you might get a fact or two mixed up. Can we really be so sure, given that even non-subjective facts were muddled, that say, Lazarus was really dead? That there was really no wine left at that shindig in Cana? That the five thousand fed with twelve baskets left over really left their packed lunches at home?

The Bible is a collection of myths, a partial history of the people of Israel, with a couple of chapters of Hewbrew law thrown in. This doesn't mean that its not a useful historical resource, but you've got to remember that some of it isn't the literal truth, and there is symbolism and there is metaphor mixed in, much like the stories that Jesus himself tells to illustrate his points.

Firstly it was the ruler of Jeruselum who wanted to kill Jesus one because he was supposed to be the "King of the Jews". Secondly, how do you know that not all of it is true? Just because some scientist says that this is how it happened doesn't mean squat because how do you know that he didn't mix it up. Thirdly, Jesus's exact birth is not entirely known, somewhere around 0 AD probably. Fourthly, how do you know that the last King Herod died in 6 BC. Maybe the archeologists got mixed up. Fifthly, what if Christianity is right? Then Christians go to heaven and you would probably go to Hell. But if Atheism is right then we 1) get reincarnated, 2) disappear forever ,3) something else. So tell me, would rather take a chance or lose either way.

and by the way, adam and eve can be proven wrong quite simply: every woman passes on her mitochondial dna to her offspring. if the adam and eve story were accurate, only one strand of mitochondiral dna would exist in the human population. similarly, the y-chromosome is largely unaltered throughout the generations so if there was only one initial human male, then there would only be one y-chromosome. however, there are many.

Defaults. Changes. Besides we don't fully understand the human genome yet so don't start about that. Besides, anything you can say or I can say can be countered but tell me, who has a circle? Christians because we have something that gives us the edge. The fact that if we are right then we benefit but if we are wrong then we lose absolutely nothing but the unsaved would lose everything if we are right. So tell me, is it better to have a safety line climbing Mt Everest or simply use your hands?

Point 1
I can't stand kids. :mp5: They should all be boiled in oil ;) My husband and I are both sterilised and have no intention of adopting, ever. I try to run my Nation on here as I would in real life. So parents are put through rigorous testing before they are allowed to breed, just as it should be.
I know I was a child and a teenager once but that doesn't mean I have to like them now. They have no respect, no discipline and no sense of risk-taking. They are molly-coddled and wrapped up in legislative cotton wool.

Point 2

The Bible is an artful work of fiction. It is a morality tale. It is a guidebook not a statement of facts. It contradicts itself all over the place:

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)
And Jesus said, "You shall not kill ...(Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)

There are lots more but that one sticks in my mind, since not killing is one of the Ten Commandments. :confused:

I don't need some old book to tell me to be nice to people, not to steal, cheat or lie. That should be common sense and should apply to everyone, Pagan, Xtian, Muslim or whatever.

Finally you can ignore me, flame me, berate me ... but you won't convert me ;)

Let me preface this by saying I am a teen. 17 in fact. My first reaction to this was to immediately argue that all teens are not the some...blah. Even though we are not all the same, you are somewhat right. I admit that I do not show proper respect to my parent at times, such as I tend to be rather snappy with her at times. But I do have some respect, I am not like that always, and I respect authority though I may not agree all the time. And I'll say discipline is probably my weakest of the three you said because I am a huge procrastinator. I am spoiled to a degree but not horribly so. I don't throw a temper tantrum or yell I hate you whenever I get punished or am told to do something I don't want to do. I don't like it but I accept it. And I know plenty of people my age that are disciplined. Risk-taking is the point I disagree most with. I practicly take no risks at all. I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, steal, smash mailboxes, go roll someone's house. I don't even understand why someone would. I know my judgement is not fully developed but I have enough to know a stupid, dangerous (not only to me but to other people as well) situation when I see it. But is it really our fault, this current generation of teens? Have we somehow been born to raise more hell with each passing decade? If you answer yes I pity you. Genes affect us but I think of it as a base to be shaped into individuals by our enviroment. So it could be bad parenting, laws against corporal (that is prabably misspelled, it isn't a strong point) punishment, the new information age where we are bombarded with sex, drugs, and idiots 24/7. I don't know exactly, but my point is that you are in actuality about 75% right. At least half the people at my school would fit your mold. But don't hate us before you know us, just approach with caution, please.

I am not Christian. I am agnostic. I agree that the bible does have contradictions. I don't believe in a right religion. I think a higher-being is as plausible as a freak occurance with a ball of energy the size of a grapefruit giving rise to the universe. I don't know if there is an after life. I'd like there to be one but there's nothing I can pull out as evidense to its existance. But the best thing in the bible I know of is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Thats why I don't force my opinions on people but place them out there to be accepted or denied. There is no proof for or against God that everyone accepts so people can believe what they want.

Well that was a bit of a ramble.

and by the way, adam and eve can be proven wrong quite simply: every woman passes on her mitochondial dna to her offspring. if the adam and eve story were accurate, only one strand of mitochondiral dna would exist in the human population. similarly, the y-chromosome is largely unaltered throughout the generations so if there was only one initial human male, then there would only be one y-chromosome. however, there are many.
It's because Lilith secretly had sex with one of Adam's sons and reintroduced sanity into the human bloodline. :p

Point 1
I can't stand kids. :mp5: They should all be boiled in oil ;) My husband and I are both sterilised and have no intention of adopting, ever. I try to run my Nation on here as I would in real life. So parents are put through rigorous testing before they are allowed to breed, just as it should be.
I know I was a child and a teenager once but that doesn't mean I have to like them now. They have no respect, no discipline and no sense of risk-taking. They are molly-coddled and wrapped up in legislative cotton wool.

Point 2

The Bible is an artful work of fiction. It is a morality tale. It is a guidebook not a statement of facts. It contradicts itself all over the place:

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)
And Jesus said, "You shall not kill ...(Matthew 19:16-19 RSV)

There are lots more but that one sticks in my mind, since not killing is one of the Ten Commandments. :confused:

I don't need some old book to tell me to be nice to people, not to steal, cheat or lie. That should be common sense and should apply to everyone, Pagan, Xtian, Muslim or whatever.

Finally you can ignore me, flame me, berate me ... but you won't convert me ;)

Fine. Then don't berate us, and tell the schools, the evolutionists, the atheists and everyone else not to berate each other. Although we will always berate each other. Also, there is one thing which is important. The First Commandmand. "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart". If you have to disobey any commandemt that is the last one anyone should disobey.

Secondly, the Bible doesn't contradict itself. You simply have to understand what it means. Anyways nobady will ever win these arguements until we die, then we know the winner.

It's because Lilith secretly had sex with one of Adam's sons and reintroduced sanity into the human bloodline. :p
Oh ya, another thing. The fallen angels also introduced other genes into the bloddline which made giants. Just something to point out.

:headbang: It's ridiculous trying to discuss science with die-hard Christians. Christianity largely teaches no concept of proof, and in fact frowns upon individuals asking for proof - the only thing that is given merit, in effect, is blind faith. Whoever tries to rationalize something that has no basis in logic or reason is a fool, and is doing it simply to make themselves feel better. Unfortunately, blind faith doesn't work for some of us. However, it's just as presumptuous for an atheist to try to convince a Christian that their faith is wrong. No matter what your opinion is, it's yours alone. Get over it, and realize that debates like this are largely worthless. You're not convincing anyone that your opinion is correct except for those who already hold your opinion.

That's hardly fair. Adolescence is a necessary step in the maturation of any human.
I agree I'm a good kid and I turn 13 at the end of the month.

Secondly, the Bible doesn't contradict itself. You simply have to understand what it means. Anyways nobady will ever win these arguements until we die, then we know the winner.
Okay, then, tell me how those twostatements do not contradict then.
Unless one of them is false?

I agree I'm a good kid and I turn 13 at the end of the month.

I'm with you. There is no reason to generalize about any group, because you're probably wrong. I'm 17 and I'm a good person. I have as much maturity as many twice my age. I get good grades, I drive safely, I don't rob old ladies, knock over cripples, drink human blood or do any of the things adult society thinks a majority of teenagers do.

The conflict between teenagers and thier parents stems from role strain. Roles are not clearly defined - teenagers who may or may not deserve it want to be treated like adults and given amounts of independence, and parents who may or may not be right care for their teen and fear for his/her well being and thererfore want to maintain authority and a position of guidance.
The definition of adolecance - a transition period between childhood and adulthood, means that as long as this period exists in our culture, the conflict will remain. Teenagers are not a punishment. IMO if one doesn't think they can calmly and adequatly handle a teenager, they shouldn't have kids in the first place. That's why my nation has mandatory parenting tests :)

Well according to Christianity God made sex to be a very enjoyable thing. He made our bodies to fit the way he did. It was a pure gift to people.

People have perversed it into something unclean and impure.

God discourages sex outside of marriage because of the lust that comes with it. You lust for sex. You lust for it over all else.

That lust makes you forget about God.

sorry, cant help myself.
One: i was just talking to a catholic. "gods" purpose ( i put god in parentisis cuz i dont believe in that shit) of sex is to make babys.
Two: sex is sex. you cant pervert it.
three: stop with the christianity allready! ive heard enough of that bull, shut up about it!

Teenagers aren't God's punishment. Stop including God in everything. God rarely helps in earthly affairs. Anyway its your fault for having teenagers.

But the only "asshole" around here is all of us for thinking that we could live our lives without him. There is no proof that there isn't a God and besides it's better to be in a win-win situation than being in a lose-lose situation.

no proof god exists. Win-win? wtf are you smokin?

I think about the people from the hippie generation(not assuming you are) getting POed at teenagers and sometimes I think they're being reasonable. Then I realize when they were teenagers they or their friends were probably smoking pot and deciding "free love" was an okay thing. It really burns me up, especially when people make generalizations about my age bracket. I don't skate your rails, or smoke weed, or do it with people I'm not married to. So let me listen to my loud music, let me kickflip on my own driveway, and let me hang with my buddies at school. Don't tell me I'm a deadbeat, because quite possibly someone you were friends with was a hell of a lot worse then me.(Once again, not assuming you're from the hippie generation. But I'm sure there are people reading this from the hippie generation that agree with you.)

THANK YOU! this is exactly what i feel. let me be who i want to be.