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I just got this game for christmas and it is f***ing great, i was wondering if anyone else has it and what they think of it.

oh come on people! somebody has to love it!

Ah, why not.

Sure, Halo fan here. I think the two are about as good as each other, mainly due to the glitches I see in Halo 2.

And I'm damn glad they changed the Pistol and FRG. :D

Dude, is that real? Either way, it's just plain screwed up.

you can...but its not nearly as graphic...

Halo 2: Glitches and shite ending. Other than that it's one of the best games I've ever played. Although I think it lost something due to the fact it's a sequel - almost never do sequels match up to originals

oh yeah...they need to debug some of those glitches...thats the only flaw i can see in it though...i love the duel wielding though!

great stuff guys! keep posting!

and remember to stay on topic!

Dude, is that real? Either way, it's just plain screwed up.

It's real. From Afghanistan. Not my work, though.

guys...this seriously has absolutely nothing to do with halo...

Halo 2

Awesome.

If you have live, its even more beautiful :D

oh yeah...they need to debug some of those glitches...thats the only flaw i can see in it though...i love the duel wielding though!

great stuff guys! keep posting!

and remember to stay on topic!
should have had dual wield swords. teh ultimate cool

I like games where you can nail people when they look around something...

I like games where you can nail people when they look around something...
Like in most FPSs since 1999? FPS is cool, but a little boring sometimes. I like Fable, at the minute. And strategy in general. No-one can say that Red Alert 2 is not a cool game

It's real. From Afghanistan. Not my work, though.

Yeah, but why would you post that? Do you regularly post pictures of people with their heads blown off when you're discussing videogames?


Anyway, back to the conversation. Which would you guys recommend: Halo or Halo 2? I've been thinking of buying one, but I'm not sure which to go for.

i think halo 2 isnt as good as the origional simply because halo two wasnt THAT origional ( Halo 2 is great though)

Like in most FPSs since 1999? FPS is cool, but a little boring sometimes. I like Fable, at the minute. And strategy in general. No-one can say that Red Alert 2 is not a cool game

Fable could have been such an amazing game. Peter Molyneaux promised such a revolutionary RPG and it turned into a vanilla hack n slash. I was supremely dissapointed.

Yeah, but why would you post that? Do you regularly post pictures of people with their heads blown off when you're discussing videogames?


Anyway, back to the conversation. Which would you guys recommend: Halo or Halo 2? I've been thinking of buying one, but I'm not sure which to go for.

Halo 2 will make absolutely no sense to you without having first played Halo, so definately get Halo first.

Fable could have been such an amazing game. Peter Molyneaux promised such a revolutionary RPG and it turned into a vanilla hack n slash. I was supremely dissapointed.
Yeah, I was a bit pissed that I finished all the quests possible for one line of personality by new years when I got it christmas day. Kicking chickens is ace, though.

Halo 2 will make absolutely no sense to you without having first played Halo, so definately get Halo first.
and it's cheaper, too!

I find it fascinating that most of the people who really enjoy running around doing simulated violence have no stomach for the real thing. That's why I posted that link.

How can you love the gore and hate the gore?

How can you love the gore and hate the gore?

Catharsis?

It's called escapism, boyo.

Besides. In Halo the main enemy are aliens. And if I wanted that kind of violence and gore I'd buy SOF.

Originally Posted By The Tribes Of Longton: should have had dual wield swords. teh ultimate cool

no..i have to disagree with that one...though the swords are strong, they absolutley suck when your facing a high-powered rifle from long range...i think you sould be able to throw them or something...

I find it fascinating that most of the people who really enjoy running around doing simulated violence have no stomach for the real thing. That's why I posted that link.

How can you love the gore and hate the gore?

You're just trying to make a scene.

I disagree. After playing Halo 2 on Live, and then playing the likes of MechAssault 2 and Ghost Recon 2 on Live, it is apparently obvious to me what a n00b game Halo 2 is.

The first Halo relied on skill. Sure everyone started with that n00b pistol (which was better than the sniper rifle), but the fact remains, EVERYONE started with it and it seperated those that were good from those that weren't because it required accuracy to kill effectively with.

The Sniper Rifle in Halo:CE also required you to lead your shots and have good aim. Now, in Halo 2, you don't even need to lead. Just shoot. So easy.

The Shotgun in Halo:CE was perfect. If you shot at point blank range, you were granted an instant KO. Now... Not so sure. Sometimes you get the KO, sometimes you just take their shields down, sometimes you don't even hit them.

Couple that with the endless grenade fest and the hundreds of glitches (passing flag through wall, rockets randomly blowing up in your face after you shoot them, snatching the flag from across the map, etc.) and it's blatanly obvious how n00bish Halo 2 is.

In my opinion, Halo 2 shouldn't have been released so soon. Bungie definitely needed some more time (as shown by the crap ending).

It's called escapism, boyo.

Besides. In Halo the main enemy are aliens. And if I wanted that kind of violence and gore I'd buy SOF.

Ah. So if it's things with tentacles and beady eyes, it's ok. Got it.

Ah. So if it's things with tentacles and beady eyes, it's ok. Got it.

Happen to skim over the last bit of what I said?

I don't play games as 'realistic' as SOF, therefore I have no love of the kind of violence and gore you posted.

I find it fascinating that most of the people who really enjoy running around doing simulated violence have no stomach for the real thing. That's why I posted that link.

How can you love the gore and hate the gore?

Because they are not the same thing. If you believe they are, you should seek help. When you shoot some AI soldiers/guards/whatever you know that you haven't ended a life.

Ah, but don't most psychologists believe that such play desensitizes you to the act?

I disagree. After playing Halo 2 on Live, and then playing the likes of MechAssault 2 and Ghost Recon 2 on Live, it is apparently obvious to me what a n00b game Halo 2 is.

The first Halo relied on skill. Sure everyone started with that n00b pistol (which was better than the sniper rifle), but the fact remains, EVERYONE started with it and it seperated those that were good from those that weren't because it required accuracy to kill effectively with.

The Sniper Rifle in Halo:CE also required you to lead your shots and have good aim. Now, in Halo 2, you don't even need to lead. Just shoot. So easy.

The Shotgun in Halo:CE was perfect. If you shot at point blank range, you were granted an instant KO. Now... Not so sure. Sometimes you get the KO, sometimes you just take their shields down, sometimes you don't even hit them.

Couple that with the endless grenade fest and the hundreds of glitches (passing flag through wall, rockets randomly blowing up in your face after you shoot them, snatching the flag from across the map, etc.) and it's blatanly obvious how n00bish Halo 2 is.

In my opinion, Halo 2 shouldn't have been released so soon. Bungie definitely needed some more time (as shown by the crap ending).


A game that requires skill should not be unbalanced. Really, sometimes I wonder is they should have just called Halo 1 Halo : Pistol Edition.

I don't notice any change really with the Sniper Rifle.

Yup, Shotgun's less fun now :(

And the glitches suck. The sooner they fix them the better.

actually, guys, i was watching G4 the other day and they said Half-Life 2 was actually a better game.

Ah, but don't most psychologists believe that such play desensitizes you to the act?
Ah the old 'violent games=violent person' story. Personal opinion: complete BS. I have lots of games that could be described as violent and bloody, yet I don't actively seek violence or warfare. In fact, I'm a pacifist. I can handle gore and such - I want to be a doctor. The reason I play the games is that I enjoy the skill involved in strategy, the stories unfolding and the complete lack of thought in FPS

Try Half Life 2 and Counter-Strike instead. :sniper:

Ah, but don't most psychologists believe that such play desensitizes you to the act?

Not necessarily, considering most people's reaction to your post. Do you play videogames much, by the way? You seem to have rather a casual approach to death.

Anyway, if a psychologist says something, it doesn't always mean they're correct. You can have junk psychology, just as you can have junk science.

Ah, but don't most psychologists believe that such play desensitizes you to the act?

No.

actually, guys, i was watching G4 the other day and they said Half-Life 2 was actually a better game.

Personal opinion really.

And anyone who hates Halo 2's ending and loves Half Life 2's ending needs to have their heads examined.

A game that requires skill should not be unbalanced. Really, sometimes I wonder is they should have just called Halo 1 Halo : Pistol Edition.

I don't notice any change really with the Sniper Rifle.

Yup, Shotgun's less fun now :(

And the glitches suck. The sooner they fix them the better.

You don't have to lead a shot to hit someone with the sniper rifle anymore. Where you shoot is where the bullet instantly is. In the first Halo, the bullet actually had to travel to the target, meaning you had to lead the target by a step so the bullet would hit them in stride. Now, you can just shoot them where they are and the second you pull the trigger, the bullet is in the target. Much less skill.

Ah the old 'violent games=violent person' story. Personal opinion: complete BS. I have lots of games that could be described as violent and bloody, yet I don't actively seek violence or warfare. In fact, I'm a pacifist. I can handle gore and such - I want to be a doctor. The reason I play the games is that I enjoy the skill involved in strategy, the stories unfolding and the complete lack of thought in FPS

Well, I would agree with you personally. It's just that the military managed to use that idea to take troops from a situation where they barely shot at actual people in combat (post WW II studies) and to the point where they really hit a lot of people (present day).

They say it's not the improvement in weapons - it's the constant practice of shooting at targets that look like people. So can you be desensitized if you're not careful?

actually, guys, i was watching G4 the other day and they said Half-Life 2 was actually a better game.

Considering it was in the making for what? Five years? Why shouldn't it be better?

As for Halo:CE being unbalanced, once again, I disagree. Perhaps the pistol was the best weapon, regardless, everyone started with it. So everyone had an equal chance with the weapon. However, it was SKILL that determined the winners.

No such luck in Halo 2. It's all about where you spawn and if you can get to the Rocket Launcher/Sniper Rifle/Sword faster than the other team can.

If you can, you win. If you can't, you lose, unless the other team is completely uncoordinated. But if both teams are of equal skill and you just so happen to spawn away from all the special weapons, well... You're shit out of luck.

You don't have to lead a shot to hit someone with the sniper rifle anymore. Where you shoot is where the bullet instantly is. In the first Halo, the bullet actually had to travel to the target, meaning you had to lead the target by a step so the bullet would hit them in stride. Now, you can just shoot them where they are and the second you pull the trigger, the bullet is in the target. Much less skill.

So...

Instead of holding the crosshairs a spot a few centimeters from them before firing, you instead have to hold the crosshairs on them before firing? Not that much of a change.

I've yet to play a LAN of Halo 2, but with the lag online, you still need to lead your target.

Well, I would agree with you personally. It's just that the military managed to use that idea to take troops from a situation where they barely shot at actual people in combat (post WW II studies) and to the point where they really hit a lot of people (present day).

They say it's not the improvement in weapons - it's the constant practice of shooting at targets that look like people. So can you be desensitized if you're not careful?
I can't speak from personal experience, having only fired a total of a hundred shots from various guns, only about 10 of which at people shaped targets, but those results seem to speak for themselves

So...

Instead of holding the crosshairs a spot a few centimeters from them before firing, you instead have to hold the crosshairs on them before firing? Not that much of a change.

I've yet to play a LAN of Halo 2, but with the lag online, you still need to lead your target.
Ever shot at a moving target? Sudden change of direction comes to mind

well true but halo 1 was so good that they could have made halo 2 as crappy as pong and people would have still bought it because they loved the first one so much.

The problem I've had with online games is if you have a great connection with low ping times, and a really fast machine, you're going to kick people all over the map. No matter what the game.

So has anything been done in the game engines to try and smooth out the differences?

There's nothing like being ass-kicked by a 10 year old with a righteous computer and a T1 line in his house because his dad's a network engineer.

So...

Instead of holding the crosshairs a spot a few centimeters from them before firing, you instead have to hold the crosshairs on them before firing? Not that much of a change.

I've yet to play a LAN of Halo 2, but with the lag online, you still need to lead your target.

No, it means you don't have to worry about where they might go or whether they might change directions. You just put the crosshairs on them, click, dead.

well true but halo 1 was so good that they could have made halo 2 as crappy as pong and people would have still bought it because they loved the first one so much.

I wasn't that impressed with the original; it had some swanky AI and level design, but The Flood were just a test of your ammo counter and there was truly criminal repetition of scenery.

Considering it was in the making for what? Five years? Why shouldn't it be better?

As for Halo:CE being unbalanced, once again, I disagree. Perhaps the pistol was the best weapon, regardless, everyone started with it. So everyone had an equal chance with the weapon. However, it was SKILL that determined the winners.

No such luck in Halo 2. It's all about where you spawn and if you can get to the Rocket Launcher/Sniper Rifle/Sword faster than the other team can.

If you can, you win. If you can't, you lose, unless the other team is completely uncoordinated. But if both teams are of equal skill and you just so happen to spawn away from all the special weapons, well... You're shit out of luck.

I might agree on the Sniper Rifle, but even then there's normally two in a map. Being sniped? Relay the position to your team, have your sniper take theirs out.

Rocket Launcher only has 4 shots. Engage in midrange, evade.

Sword has an effective range of maybe 4 metres. Grenade their shields down, or duel wield. The sword may pwn in close quarters, but in Halo 1, so did the shotgun.

Finally, as for Halo:CE being unbalanced, maybe we have different opinion on something being unbalanced, which is fine. To me however, if one or two weapons are much stronger than the rest, that is unbalanced.

Everyone has to agree though - the whole 'two weapons at a time' thing is a great idea, even if it was brought about in the first one due to time constrictions.

Incidentally, does anyone know what halo was originally going to be. I heard it was to be a strategy/rpg at first. How wierd would that have been?

Yup Tribes!

If you've ever heard of Bungie's game series Myth (RTS) it looked like a futuristic version of that.

Then it became a third-person game.

Then it became Halo. :)

Yup Tribes!

If you've ever heard of Bungie's game series Myth (RTS) it looked like a futuristic version of that.

Then it became a third-person game.

Then it became Halo. :)
Oh, so it was like Myth! Gotcha.

yeah, the duel weilding basically made Halo2...well, Halo2 :) ...

i love how the right trigger controls the right weapon and the left trigger controls the left...

Halo2 is awsome(i got it for christmas to) :mp5: