Who doesn't want to see old judges naked?
Dempublicents
11-01-2005, 17:11
Looks like Mississippi isn't quite as bass-ackwards as they seemed a few days ago. No book banning there!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/01/11/banned.book.ap/index.html
Of course, I love the fact that one of the quotes refers to the book as "pornographic material." It's not like the pictures are supposed to get you all hot and bothered. In fact, I'm pretty sure they were intended to do exactly the opposite.
Jon Stewart Rules!!!!! he wrote a book...?
Soviet Narco State
11-01-2005, 17:21
Jon Stewart Rules!!!!! he wrote a book...?
Yeah and it is number 1 on the NYT best seller list for nonfiction! PS it is hillarious!
Dempublicents
11-01-2005, 17:23
Jon Stewart Rules!!!!! he wrote a book...?
Yeah, it's absolutely wonderful (although I never really wanted to see nine naked old bodies, but that's ok). If you love Jon Stewart's sarcasm about everything, you'll love the book. Plus, its textbook style is lots of fun, especially when you get Discussion Questions like "What is the fundamental difference between Democracy and cannabalism?"
Zeppistan
11-01-2005, 17:28
We had a long chat about that yesterday Dempub...
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388291
Of course, because I brought it up the general consensus was that the fact that I objected to the suppression of an american-written book, published in America, relating to American politics, and given high awards within the American publishing industry..... was because clearly I am anti-american.
:rolleyes:
Dempublicents
11-01-2005, 17:30
We had a long chat about that yesterday Dempub...
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388291
Of course, because I brought it up the general consensus was that the fact that I objected to the suppression of an american-written book, published in America, relating to American politics, and given high awards within the American publishing industry..... was because clearly I am anti-american.
:rolleyes:
Ack, sorry - missed that somehow.
(And I've never thought you were anti-American. In fact, I've generally thought you were more pro-American than many Americans)
Zeppistan
11-01-2005, 17:34
Ack, sorry - missed that somehow.
(And I've never thought you were anti-American. In fact, I've generally thought you were more pro-American than many Americans)
At least before the election people just called me partisan, which I guess means I only hated half the country..... lol.
We had a long chat about that yesterday Dempub...
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388291
Of course, because I brought it up the general consensus was that the fact that I objected to the suppression of an american-written book, published in America, relating to American politics, and given high awards within the American publishing industry..... was because clearly I am anti-american.
:rolleyes:
No actually Zepp, the impression you were trying to project was that the US suppresses truth...ie your title America, the censor...
It was pointed out to you that taking the actions of one senile librarian and applying it as the will of the majority was taking your US-bashing too far.
Nevareion
11-01-2005, 18:25
I can't belive that this kind of censorship goes on because of one picture in a satirical book. If ya don't like it, don't stop others buying it, just don't read it!
[Edit] I mean not just the library but also Wal-Mart refusing to stock it
Zeppistan
11-01-2005, 18:44
No actually Zepp, the impression you were trying to project was that the US suppresses truth...ie your title America, the censor...
It was pointed out to you that taking the actions of one senile librarian and applying it as the will of the majority was taking your US-bashing too far.
Actually no Zooke, as I repsonded later in the day (I was not online for quite a while yesterday), the title: "America, the censor" for the thread was intended just as a play on words of the title of Jon Stewart's "America, the book".
Nothing more, nothing less.
See, line them up together:
"America. The book"
"America. The censor".
Now laugh and pretend you got the joke the first time around.
Ah well, Perhaps my sense of humour is a bit too subtle for text sometimes....
OK, you win Zooke.
I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY believe that two librarians in Alabama represent the will of the country as a whole...
:rolleyes:
Try this....
"America. The book" [symbolic analogy]
"America. The censor". [symbolic analogy]
Now laugh and pretend you got the joke the first time around.
Oh, man, I didn't catch the "symbolic analogy" until you pointed it out. May I blame it on the stress of a high pressure job? :(
Zeppistan
11-01-2005, 19:00
Try this....
Oh, man, I didn't catch the "symbolic analogy" until you pointed it out. May I blame it on the stress of a high pressure job? :(
Almost nobody did. Like I said, obviously t'was too subtle for text as it was.
Had I started my prose with, "America. the book" meets "America. the censor", then people would have caught it..... but I didn't.
Your own jokes always seem more obvious to you...
Eutrusca
11-01-2005, 19:02
Of course, I love the fact that one of the quotes refers to the book as "pornographic material." It's not like the pictures are supposed to get you all hot and bothered. In fact, I'm pretty sure they were intended to do exactly the opposite.
One man's porn is another man's humor, I suppose. There are many, many things which I consider to be "pornographic" which have little or nothing to do with sex.
Your own jokes always seem more obvious to you...
Jokes? My jokes? What's a joke?
Dempublicents
11-01-2005, 19:05
One man's porn is another man's humor, I suppose. There are many, many things which I consider to be "pornographic" which have little or nothing to do with sex.
So, do you find any depiction of the naked human body to be pornographic? As much as I respect you, I think that is probably a sign of a mental problem.
That said, it would be *really* funny if the book were somehow challenged because of the pictures and the decision made it to the Supreme Court. This is especially true because at least 3 of the justices have already expressed opinions on it and, as such, would have to recuse themselves from any case pertaining to it.
UpwardThrust
11-01-2005, 19:08
Almost nobody did. Like I said, obviously t'was too subtle for text as it was.
Had I started my prose with, "America. the book" meets "America. the censor", then people would have caught it..... but I didn't.
Your own jokes always seem more obvious to you...
I cought it :) though I argued on other things I got the joke :-D
Zeppistan
11-01-2005, 19:08
Jokes? My jokes? What's a joke?
George W. Bush for a start.... :D
Actually, I liked Jon's response to the banning last night. As he put it (And I'm paraphrasing), "What? They banned it for the pictures? Did they even READ the book? Hell - the pictures are just about the least offensive things in there!"
And in some instances... he's right! lol.
I can't belive that this kind of censorship goes on because of one picture in a satirical book. If ya don't like it, don't stop others buying it, just don't read it!
[Edit] I mean not just the library but also Wal-Mart refusing to stock it
Walmart's overall policy is not to sell anything with nudity in it. It also does not sell CD's with explicit lyrics. It tries to maintain an atmosphere that is acceptable for the whole family. This book was not singled out. I have often wondered, though, with Walmart's wholesome image policies, why it sells books by VC Andrews.
Dempublicents
11-01-2005, 19:11
Walmart's overall policy is not to sell anything with nudity in it. It also does not sell CD's with explicit lyrics. It tries to maintain an atmosphere that is acceptable for the whole family. This book was not singled out. I have often wondered, though, with Walmart's wholesome image policies, why it sells books by VC Andrews.
Yeah, I read VC Andrews books as a kid. I don't think there was a single one that didn't have some sort of incest or rape theme.
One man's porn is another man's humor, I suppose. There are many, many things which I consider to be "pornographic" which have little or nothing to do with sex.
Same here. Mel Gibson's: The Passion™ of the Christ® was quite pornographic.
Nevareion
11-01-2005, 20:08
Walmart's overall policy is not to sell anything with nudity in it. It also does not sell CD's with explicit lyrics. It tries to maintain an atmosphere that is acceptable for the whole family. This book was not singled out. I have often wondered, though, with Walmart's wholesome image policies, why it sells books by VC Andrews.
Interesting. Do they not feel a simple warning on the cover is enough? I am not in favour of shops, large or small, deciding what should be available as they give preference to mainstream stuff. Here in the UK I have a lot of trouble finding an independant football magazine "When Saturday Comes", even though it has a large readership, just because it comes from a small publishing house and so chain stroes don't both to carry it. It is a form of censorship, not deliberate but it still limits what I can read/see/hear without my consent.