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Fahrenheit 9/11 beat Spider Man 2 and Shrek 2 at the People's Choice awards for Best Picture! And to my knowledge, being that it's the People's Choice awards and all, he had to be voted in to come on top for this award!!

A link to the video:
http://michaelmoore.com/_media/pcaawardslong.mov

Enough said. :)

I can see anything beating a Spiderman movie....but SHREK 2?

I can see anything beating a Spiderman movie....but SHREK 2?I agree, I would have voted for Shrek2 over 911

Having seen both Fahrenheit 9/11 and Shrek 2, i find they're incomparable...both deserve the qualification of 'Best Picture', IMO.

The people voted a documentary wtf? The only chance for redemption is if a porno takes it next year.

oh yeah, People Choice Award for best movie in 2005 is...Jenna Jameson Enchanted

The people voted a documentary wtf? The only chance for redemption is if a porno takes it next year.
Shrek does Bush2

Wow...there goes hollywood

The people voted a documentary wtf? The only chance for redemption is if a porno takes it next year.

It's not a documentary. It has been classified as fiction.

That is really and truely sad.
Not only are there BETTER movies, there are BETTER documentaries out there. But this is me, who thinks Moore is a disgrace to liberals everywhere, the same way Limbaugh is a disgrace to conservatives everywhere :P

On a more amusing topic, who do you think would win a straight fight? Moore vr Limbaugh, clash of the fat idiots. If somebody made THAT a movie, I would vote for it ^_^

It's not a documentary. It has been classified as fiction.

By Fox News, The Republican Party, and The Bush Administration.

That is really and truely sad.
Not only are there BETTER movies, there are BETTER documentaries out there. But this is me, who thinks Moore is a disgrace to liberals everywhere, the same way Limbaugh is a disgrace to conservatives everywhere :P

On a more amusing topic, who do you think would win a straight fight? Moore vr Limbaugh, clash of the fat idiots. If somebody made THAT a movie, I would vote for it ^_^

I'm a liberal and have been a registered Democrat for 25 years and I'm glad Michael Moore had the guts to kicked the whimps in the Democratic Party in their collective asses and get them to do something besides sing chorus for the Bush War Machine.

I'm a liberal and have been a registered Democrat for 25 years and I'm glad Michael Moore had the guts to kicked the whimps in the Democratic Party in their collective asses and get them to do something besides sing chorus for the Bush War Machine.
IM seventeen and I dont vote. Im also about as centrist as you can get in America, and I really dont see how you could LIKE Moore. He doesnt have the 'guts', he has the knowledge that he will get lots of money by exploiting peoples dislike of President Bush. He, shortly, is using the capitolist system to his advantage.
Most anything he does is for publiciity, same with Limbaugh, and all their fellow pundits.
Their goal is to make money, not "Unveil the political, financial, and military ineptness of the Bush Regime" or something.

Simple version:
The goal of movies is to make MONEY. Moores goal is to get cash. He will, no doubt, keep making movies until Bush leaves office and the 'hate Bush' trend goes away.

IM seventeen and I dont vote. Im also about as centrist as you can get in America, and I really dont see how you could LIKE Moore. He doesnt have the 'guts', he has the knowledge that he will get lots of money by exploiting peoples dislike of President Bush. He, shortly, is using the capitolist system to his advantage.
Most anything he does is for publiciity, same with Limbaugh, and all their fellow pundits.
Their goal is to make money, not "Unveil the political, financial, and military ineptness of the Bush Regime" or something.

Simple version:
The goal of movies is to make MONEY. Moores goal is to get cash. He will, no doubt, keep making movies until Bush leaves office and the 'hate Bush' trend goes away.

Oh, yes, making political documentaries has always been the ticket to fame and fortune. PBS has long been known as the launching ground for Fortune 500 film makers.

Did it ever occur to you that Moore's record breaking documentary would not have made so much money if its message hadn't resonated with the audience?

Passion of the Christ get Best Picture in Drama!

Fahrenheit 9/11 beat Spider Man 2 and Shrek 2 at the People's Choice awards for Best Picture! And to my knowledge, being that it's the People's Choice awards and all, he had to be voted in to come on top for this award!!

Yeah, and Internet voting can't be manipulated to make a cheap shot at the President. :rolleyes: If I loan you a quarter, can you buy a clue?

Yeah, and Internet voting can't be manipulated to make a cheap shot at the President. :rolleyes: If I loan you a quarter, can you buy a clue?

Put your money where there is the greatest need - loan it to George W.

No need. Already gave him one. As for Moore, I would just wish the lard ass would go away. YOU'VE GOT MONEY! YOU'VE GOT FAME! BUSH CAN'T BE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE ANYMORE! SO GO AWAY!

...that he will get lots of money by exploiting peoples dislike of President Bush...My estimation is that he is making a shitload of money, I didnt know Bush was so hated :confused:

..YOU'VE GOT MONEY! YOU'VE GOT FAME!...
4 more years, I want 4 more years :D

Fahrenheit 9/11 beat Spider Man 2 and Shrek 2 at the People's Choice awards for Best Picture! And to my knowledge, being that it's the People's Choice awards and all, he had to be voted in to come on top for this award!!

A link to the video:
http://michaelmoore.com/_media/pcaawardslong.mov
It's too bad that most Americas fall for crappy brainwashing propaganda.
Read Kopel.

No need. Already gave him one. As for Moore, I would just wish the lard ass would go away. YOU'VE GOT MONEY! YOU'VE GOT FAME! BUSH CAN'T BE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE ANYMORE! SO GO AWAY!

Yes, by all means. The last thing we want in our democracy are independent thinkers challenging authority. What kind of democracy would we be if we just allowed anyone whose ideas were outside the mainstream to say anything they wanted about people in power?

It's too bad that most Americas fall for crappy brainwashing propaganda.

That is what I said November 3.

as above said in the simp. version.

Hollywood does entertain when they make political comments... provided they arn't so far-fetched that you almost wish you could slap them through the medium of comunication you are using.

"Bush War machine"

Just a wee bit hostile, I see...

I think he was making something to attack the Bush Admin. and raise a controversy over his movie to make it sucessful.

If I had to guess, the 8 years after Bush are going to be those of Hillary Clinton and she was smart and disntanced herself from Moore.

And unless there was a big disclaimer or South Park style loop-hole, that movie should never have gotten past editing simply because it violates Free Speech because it tried to play off flase accusations (ie. Slanderous/Lible) about Bush and his admin. as factual information. Lets not get into falicous interviews that were featured. I'd think Journalists would be tearing him apart for making a mocumentary that is shameful to the news media.

Yeah, and Internet voting can't be manipulated to make a cheap shot at the President. :rolleyes: If I loan you a quarter, can you buy a clue?

Oh I get it.. it was all just a big internet voter scam (because I'm sure you have even the remotest proof of this, but hey, it's a catchy accusation, right?)

(musing) sigh... and he was so confident that he had a point or something...

until Bush leaves office and the 'hate Bush' trend goes away.

We aren't just all jumping on the bandwagon saying that Bush sucks for no reason at all. I have many great reasons why she shouldn't be president. Kerry shouldn't have been president either, but he just wasn't as bad. It's not just being trendy, we actually do hate Bush.

"Bush War machine"

Just a wee bit hostile, I see...

I think he was making something to attack the Bush Admin. and raise a controversy over his movie to make it sucessful.



Ummm, Bush has said that he is a "war president" so I don't see how a "Bush war machine" comment is so far off.

The latter half of that was in reference to the Moore Movie, not the poster.

The Bush War Machine just seems more Hostile, makes him sound like a War mongorer.

How much did his movie make in the box office? The controversy kinda gave him another 6 hours of advertizing to the general public.

No need. Already gave him one. As for Moore, I would just wish the lard ass would go away. YOU'VE GOT MONEY! YOU'VE GOT FAME! BUSH CAN'T BE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE ANYMORE! SO GO AWAY!
hes been making films long before george bush conned his way into office, hey salchico, i think cheese here needs that quarter for a clue

IM seventeen and I dont vote. Im also about as centrist as you can get in America, and I really dont see how you could LIKE Moore. He doesnt have the 'guts'...
Doesn't have the guts?!?
Have you seen the size of him? Just how fat would you like him to get?

I think a sumo match between Moore and Limbaugh would be really funny to watch.

hes been making films long before george bush conned his way into office, hey salchico, i think cheese here needs that quarter for a clue

Conned? How does being elected by the normal electoral procedure in the US, with results accepted by the opposition candidate, come out as "conned"?

Looks like you'll need to keep that quarter for yourself.

Conned? How does being elected by the normal electoral procedure in the US, with results accepted by the opposition candidate, come out as "conned"?

Looks like you'll need to keep that quarter for yourself.
conned as in convinced the huddledquivering masses of jello that he is the uber president and john kerry is a liberal pussy scum bag! he is the master of propaganda and his party is the master of manipulating votes and registration

conned as in convinced the huddledquivering masses of jello that he is the uber president and john kerry is a liberal pussy scum bag! he is the master of propaganda and his party is the master of manipulating votes and registration

Hmm. I didn't see him as the uber president. I didn't see kerry as a liberal.

I saw two rich dicks who had silver plated service records (one with inflated medals for killing innocent civilians and burning their huts down, and one with a cushy job flying jets around Georgia), both of who went to Yale, both of whom have lived rich lives, both of whom were members of the Skull and Bones frat.

Two rich frat boys.

And you saw a difference?

No, I could say Karl Rove is the master of propaganda, but that's because Clinton's propaganda team sold out to work as news pundits instead of working for Kerry. And as for voter registration problems, it was probably a bad strategy in Ohio to try and register voters by promising them crack rocks (something they were caught doing and admitted to - it was sponsored by the NAACP). And they crammed computer voting machines just like the Republicans - in Pennsylvania, thousands of votes for Kerry were found on machines that hadn't been used yet.

No, both parties indulge in that sort of thing. I tend to think it all balances out. I have a hard time telling the difference between the parties.

And anyone who thinks that one rich frat boy cares more about the common American than the other frat boy is blowing smoke.

rofl what a sad piece of bullshit, wow one instance of voter fraud and all of a sudden , eivl demcorat,s republicans are the messiah, democrats bring death!!12121!!eleven

how many states turned out that republicans were registering people and just throwing democratic registrations in the trash or tearing them up? or them not counting ballots from people that didnt want ot stand in long lines for the republicans to teear up their democrat registrations?

then since you seem to have no preference, yho did you want to win and why

I don't know how you got only one instance of voter fraud out of my last post.

Last I read, there were dozens of Democratic instances of voter registration fraud across the US, and Democratic tampering with voting machines in various states. If the Republicans were doing things like this, it wasn't in any greater numbers that you can prove. Both parties stink on ice.

I tend to think that all these things balance out - because they aren't national policy of each party (at least not officially). Overzealous people exist in both parties - people who are willing to violate the law in any way they can in order to win.

It's also pretty sad for someone to believe that simply by picking the right President, that the country will definitely and unquestioningly go "the correct direction", or that if we elect the wrong President, that the country will definitely go to hell in a handbasket.

It doesn't matter who is elected. Corporate America and the government bureaucracy rule America. Clinton was OWNED by Enron and Global Crossing and other corporate crews - just like Bush is OWNED by other corporate interests.

Do you honestly think one man, especially Kerry, could change that?

you didnt answer the question, and kerry had alot better plans about bush, shit he couldnteven form a sentence to explain the shit he was gonna do. john stewart put it best when he made this joke: "Vote for Bush, so he can continue the work he never began." and besides that it wasnt so much that kerry could magically change things for the better, it was obvious that bush wasnt going to be helping things along the right way


and, who did you want to win and why

you didnt answer the question, and kerry had alot better plans about bush, shit he couldnteven form a sentence to explain the shit he was gonna do. john stewart put it best when he made this joke: "Vote for Bush, so he can continue the work he never began." and besides that it wasnt so much that kerry could magically change things for the better, it was obvious that bush wasnt going to be helping things along the right way


and, who did you want to win and why

Neither. Because neither was ever going to change the system.

Kerry wasn't going to "abandon" Iraq. So we would still be there. Bright ideas?

Name one that would permanently eliminate the influence of corporate america on the government that Kerry could actually get through the Senate and House. Name one that would purge the bloated federal bureaucracy and make it possible to say that the majority of government actions were the result of voter intent and not some bureaucrat bribed behind a desk by corporate interests.

Wonder why the percentage of voters was so close - the split so close nationally you could part your hair with the difference?

Because America couldn't tell the real difference. They were both cut from the same cloth.

Did you see Kerry in that stupid duck hunting outfit? Do you think it actually fooled any gun owners into thinking that Kerry likes guns?

Kerry had to be pretty stupid to believe that would work. But, he went out and violated his beliefs and shot ducks just to try to fool some people in an effort that anyone with two brain cells would know doesn't work on gun owners.

They know his voting record. It doesn't matter what he says or fakes.

And we know the BS Bush peddles. But maybe for some, just that slim margin, it was better the devil we know than the devil we don't.

further proof hollywood is out of touch with america...

actually, they didnt know shit about his voting record, all you had to do was watch interviews or read letters to the editor to figure that out, all they knew were bush propaganda soundbites, bush ran a propaganda machine that wouldve made goebbels proud

and people ate it up because he was a conservative and conservatives dont lie! :rolleyes:

further proof hollywood is out of touch with america...
hell, america is out of touch with america

actually, they didnt know shit about his voting record, all you had to do was watch interviews or read letters to the editor to figure that out, all they knew were bush propaganda soundbites, bush ran a propaganda machine that wouldve made goebbels proud

and people ate it up because he was a conservative and conservatives dont lie! :rolleyes:

So you're saying that the editorials were lying about his voting record on guns?

So you're saying that Kerry has voted against gun control on a regular basis, and that he favors ownership of assault rifles?

You can find his voting record in Thomas. Go ahead. Find a vote by Kerry against gun control.

I'm a liberal and have been a registered Democrat for 25 years and I'm glad Michael Moore had the guts to kicked the whimps in the Democratic Party in their collective asses and get them to do something besides sing chorus for the Bush War Machine.
i agree

Didn't do much good, now did it? Kerry lost in any case. And I didn't hear any rousing ideas, either.

I heard more ideas out of Dean. But, as we know, the Democratic powers that be had to sink his campaign. I still can't figure out why Dean lost to Kerry.

Fahrenheit 9/11 beat Spider Man 2 and Shrek 2 at the People's Choice awards for Best Picture! And to my knowledge, being that it's the People's Choice awards and all, he had to be voted in to come on top for this award!!

A link to the video:
http://michaelmoore.com/_media/pcaawardslong.mov


If these awards meanta flying f**k then michael moore could gain some credibility but since most people are blinded by their political opinions they cant see that the man is a hack, a fraud, and doesnt make documentaries but crockumentaries if you check any of the factual evidence most of it is bs or manipulated in one way or the other, and because their called the peoples choice doesnt mean that everybody opinon, these awards are voted on by a minorityof the country, a minortiy that adds up to a fraction of one percent, most of them are quazi intellectual that beilieve they know whats best for everyone :sniper:

So, yeah, I'm gonna research their method of voting.

Didn't do much good, now did it? Kerry lost in any case. And I didn't hear any rousing ideas, either.

I heard more ideas out of Dean. But, as we know, the Democratic powers that be had to sink his campaign. I still can't figure out why Dean lost to Kerry.

Agreed!

conned as in convinced the huddledquivering masses of jello that he is the uber president and john kerry is a liberal pussy scum bag! he is the master of propaganda and his party is the master of manipulating votes and registration

master of propagenda? this comment recieves an f-- or on a scale of 1 to gary buesy it recieves nothing :sniper:

Mr Moore did our country a favor in a way that I don t think anyone has really started grasping yet. Its called an outrage to criticize the president (by most stupid republican amreicans) but this is different because Mr Moore discussed the entire goverments short comings. I'm not a fan of our current administration, but trust me when i say that it is not just this administration or ones before it, its our military strength based goverment thats needing a tune.

Well, these "People's Choice Awards" seem to be slightly misleading in name now. The awards used to use the Gallup organization to actually poll the people as per their favorite films of the year, under this system the question was open-ended, the person being polled was allowed to say whatever they wanted.

The difference this year is that it isn't people's choice. The PCA ditched Gallup this year and hooked up with Entertainment Weekly. And they chose a panel of 6,000 who could meet and decide on the nominees.

Then the "public voting" occured. And the voting was limited to the films and people the panel decided on. A poll was put up on the EW website. Which is by-and-large visited by a specific demographic, readers of EW--or in other terms a most certainly limited demographic. The poll is most definitely un-scientific.

Also, the demographic it targets by using EW's website is interesting. One would expect to find that the demographic is by-and-large women, typically under middle age.

So, I don't think that this award can really be the choice of the people.

yea i agree i dont see how dean did lose. Hes a much better candidate and probably would of stuck to the issues a little better

yea i agree i dont see how dean did lose. Hes a much better candidate and probably would of stuck to the issues a little better

I keep hearing the Clintons didn't like him. And that the Democratic primaries are rigged. But that would mean an internal Democratic Party conspiracy...

yea i agree i dont see how dean did lose. Hes a much better candidate and probably would of stuck to the issues a little better
And turned off people who decided late in the campaign who to vote for. People like this Ohio voter.

I keep hearing the Clintons didn't like him. And that the Democratic primaries are rigged. But that would mean an internal Democratic Party conspiracy...
thats rediculous, i mean im sure its a possiblity but im thinking a hillary clinton ticket is what this country needs

Dems couldnt nominate anyone this election that might actually win..

That would mean Hillary couldnt run until '12 and you know she is impatient... Since she holds most all the gonads in the dem party, she just did what she had to do. :D

The only kind of gun control law that Kerry voted for was banning semi-sutomatic weapons and i wnat to know jsut what the hell any person needs with a weapon of that sort.
:sniper:

The only kind of gun control law that Kerry voted for was banning semi-sutomatic weapons and i wnat to know jsut what the hell any person needs with a weapon of that sort.
:sniper:

He has consistently voted for any gun control law that ever passed in front of him during his whole career in the Senate.

Not just against semiautomatic weapons.

And, the recent "assault weapons" ban was not a ban on semiautomatic weapons. It was a ban on weapons with certain specific cosmetic features that people thought were "evil" or "intimidating", such as a bayonet lug, a flash hider, or a pistol grip. Those cosmetic items, in combination with a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds was considered an "assault rifle".

Obviously a law written by someone who has no actual idea what an assault rifle is, or what makes one gun more effective at killing than another.

The law was so laughable that it made little difference on the market - other than to prompt people to buy more guns.

Now the law has expired - there's no one who can prove that while the law was in force, any fewer shootings were conducted with "assault rifles".

Spiderman wasn't bad, but it wasn't that good either.

Shrek 2 was really funny, but not as good as the first one. It took like a half hour to get to Donkey being funny... that's too long!

Fahrenheit 911 was well-made, and brought home a lot of stuff, but I knew practically all of it already so it wasn't that much of a shock to me when I saw it.

I'd say that F911 or Shrek 2 are the worthy candidates, and I doubt there would be much ground between them. RECOUNT!