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I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?

I would kill someone in defense of another person, as well as myself.

Other than that, probably not. I would *want* to kill anyone who had caused a great deal of harm to a loved one, but wouldn't actually do it.

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?
It depends on what you mean by self-defense. Martial Artists train so there art is just reaction,if they are attacked, they'll black out, and the next moment they may be standing next to a dead body. Its self-defense, but its not really 'self' because it contains no thought.

Maybe if I was REALY bored.

Well, not for no reason. If they tried to harm my girlfriend or a familey member, than I would kill them without thinking about it. But other than self defense, or the defense of someone important to me, I dont think I would.

Maybe if I was REALY bored.

yeah, there's that too...

Probably not, although my only evidence is a dream I had. This guy was trying to kill me and my fiancee, and although I was wracking my brains with ways to prevent it, I never once thought of killing him. So maybe my subconscious is against it.

i would never kill somebody. unless they pissed me off.

I think I could bring myself to kill someone if I was put in mortal danger or someone i was close to. Or someone that just needed the help even. Most people wouldnt be able to but after my adrenaline kicks in i dont think very clearly.

Yes. I would indeed. Only if I was 100% certain of not having to deal with the consequences (end of the world on the way, me being ruler of the universe... so forth and so on).

Part of it's just my ongoing fascination with torture though. Give me a surgical laser and a bound defensless victim and I could be happy for *days*, if not weeks.

...

I should probably point out I'm at least partially kidding here. And that after seeing Saw I'm slightly less likely to do any similar things.

No, I couldn't. I feel guilty at the slightest thing. So I certainly wouldn't be able to kill someone.

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?

In eight months I'll be training to do it. (United States Marine Corps)

For example, if Hitler were still alive and you ran into him...would you kill him? I would. Slowly. And painfully.

Maybe if I was REALY bored.
lol.
no i wouldn't. and neither would i in self defense.

If I had the means to, quite easily.

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?

I wouldn't think twice about it. They're done.

If I felt justified in doing so. But it would take a lot to justify a killing that wasn't in self-defense, so probably not.

In eight months I'll be training to do it. (United States Marine Corps)
Believe me, it's still self-defense.
Semper Fi!

But go Aviation. Remember ... the Air Wing is good!

You'll appreciate that advice!

No. Why would I need to? Apart from the inherent moral dilemmas... the consequences wouldn't warrant it.

I'd avoid doing so in self-defence too. Unless the attacker was completely immune to any attempts to incapacitate him/her through non-lethal means, I guess... like, I don't know, a demi-god was attacking me or something.

Although, none of us can say for sure until we're put into a situation where our resolve would be tested. I've been forced to defend myself before, but it wasn't serious enough for anybody to die.

For example, if Hitler were still alive and you ran into him...would you kill him? I would. Slowly. And painfully.

Ha! No. I'd find out if there was a bounty on his head... I'm sure there would be, if you could prove he was actually Hitler. Although even if he didn't shoot himself or whatever happened to him, he'd be very old by now...

I'm a staunch pacifist and would try to avoid killing anyone, even in self-defense.

go Aviation...
Believe me, it's still self-defense.go Aviation? Lets say you are dropping Daisycutters all over Baghdad, how is that self-defense?

I'm a staunch pacifist and would try to avoid killing anyone, even in self-defense.

What if there was absolutely no alternative, and the only way to survive was by killing that person?

If i believed them to be a deadly threat to someone else, like..hmmm, that Bush guy? He'd get it.

Believe me, it's still self-defense.
Semper Fi!

But go Aviation. Remember ... the Air Wing is good!

You'll appreciate that advice!

Sorry man, I'm going 1300. Probably going 1371 Combat Enginerr or 1316 (?) Metal Worker. Gotta do what I love!

Aviaation? Lets say you are broping Daysicutters over Baghdad, how is that self-defense?

Marine Corps Air Wing doesn't drop daisy cutters :P Mostly it's close air support, or precision shit off the air-ground task forces.

Marine Corps Air Wing doesn't drop daisy cutters :P ...all they are is death from above...still not self defense.

Marine Corps Air Wing doesn't drop daisy cutters :P Well someone does,
someone drops the Cluster Bombs and the NAPALM, and the DaisyCutters...

If its not the USAF pilots, and its not the USNavy pilots, nor the USM pilots :confused:

...It must be the Kurdish Air Force !!!

In eight months I'll be training to do it. (United States Marine Corps)
Semper Fi, but go ground option (Infantry) then you'll really learn how (and quite possibly get) to kill someone.

Sorry man, I'm going 1300. Probably going 1371 Combat Enginerr or 1316 (?) Metal Worker. Gotta do what I love!

If I ever ended up in the military, I'd like to go with something that involves fighting from a range. Of course, I'm probably nowhere near good enough a shot.

A helpful, educational diagram!

:confused: :sniper: <--- This is not me.
^---This is me.

I might do well in the medical field as I know first aid and such pretty well...
I dunno.

If I ever ended up in the military, I'd like to go with something that involves fighting from a range. Of course, I'm probably nowhere near good enough a shot.

A helpful, educational diagram!

:confused: :sniper: <--- This is not me.
^---This is me.

I might do well in the medical field as I know first aid and such pretty well...
I dunno.

I could never kill someone from a range. I'm all about the close up and personal killing, preferably through taking them apart physically. Probably not a particularly healthy state of mind, but eh. At the worst I'm a sub-clinical sociopath, and since (if that's the case), I've already learnt not to do bad things through fear of the consequences, I'm really as healthy-minded as I'm getting.

I also have pigtails currently. Yay for silly hairstyles!

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?

Easily. I put no value on human life, and as long as I can justify it, then I will.
Now, justifying it is the hard part.. sorta, I'm incredibly lazy and I don't consider the effort of killing one person worth it to actually get up off my butt.
People could harass me all they like, and I wouldn't do anything, but one guy gives me a bad look when I actually feel like doing something, and it could be all over.

So yea, I could, and would for virtually no reason at all.
The problem is actually getting me to do the work of killing.

I could never kill someone from a range. I'm all about the close up and personal killing, preferably through taking them apart physically. Probably not a particularly healthy state of mind, but eh. At the worst I'm a sub-clinical sociopath, and since (if that's the case), I've already learnt not to do bad things through fear of the consequences, I'm really as healthy-minded as I'm getting.

That's exactly why I'd want to kill from range. When I am close to somebody, I'd be a danger to myself and anybody else around, friend or foe. I could stay detached if I wasn't quite so up-close & personal, I believe.

I've always been the sort of person that would like to hurt others to see what happens, but luckily, I'm extremely weak, so someone could probably get me under control if I snapped.

I also have pigtails currently. Yay for silly hairstyles!
YAAY!
:D
I'm growing my hair out longer. At the moment, it's not quite long enough to do anything nice with. But soon I'll be able to do silly stuff too!
YAAAY!

Two tours in Viet Nam ('67-'68, '70-71), alternatively being bored to tears or being scared to death....a totally unhealthy environment.

I was 18 1/2 when I went on my first and cried at night for a while after I killed the first VC. After a while, unfortunately, you either go nuts or get hardened to it. So, I was pretty much screwed up in the head for a long time, not knowing which way I was going.

I don't spend much time pondering the justification for the killing any more....

I honestly don't know.

That's exactly why I'd want to kill from range. When I am close to somebody, I'd be a danger to myself and anybody else around, friend or foe. I could stay detached if I wasn't quite so up-close & personal, I believe.

I've always been the sort of person that would like to hurt others to see what happens, but luckily, I'm extremely weak, so someone could probably get me under control if I snapped.

Being detached isn't really a problem for me. And I don't see the point in picking people off from a distance - mainly since the whole reason I'd be killing them is for the sake of doing a thorough job. If I had some outside motivation (avenging loved ones, or protecting them, or something similar) I might choose a ranged weapon, for efficiency's sake.

I'd also possibly be a danger to myself/others if it were a random encounter... but I'd only be willing to kill someone if I had complete control - the victim would have to be tightly bound, preferably to one of those surgery tables that are on a slant with hot water running down them to keep down the level of blood getting in the way of things.


YAAY!
:D
I'm growing my hair out longer. At the moment, it's not quite long enough to do anything nice with. But soon I'll be able to do silly stuff too!
YAAAY!

Pigtails are always the best. No one *ever* suspects you of being evil if you have pigtails ^.^

Pigtails are always the best. No one *ever* suspects you of being evil if you have pigtails ^.^
Hee, I hadn't quite thought of that!
:p

That's exactly why I'd want to kill from range. When I am close to somebody, I'd be a danger to myself and anybody else around, friend or foe. I could stay detached if I wasn't quite so up-close & personal, I believe.

I've always been the sort of person that would like to hurt others to see what happens, but luckily, I'm extremely weak, so someone could probably get me under control if I snapped.
go Aviation...Air Wings, etc

Hee, I hadn't quite thought of that!
:p

Are you kidding?

I fully believe that the only reason anyone EVER wears pigtails is so they can get away with threatening behaviour and still be considered 'cute'.

That's certainly *my* reasoning, at any rate

If I wanted to, it would most likely involve them getting caught in a trap. Only if that failed would I get physical.

What kind of self-conscious idiot would actually kill someone? I mean, seriously, I myself, could not harm another human being. I don't know why, so don't ask. But I just wouldn't.

In eight months I'll be training to do it. (United States Marine Corps)
My role model is Gunny Seargeant Carlos N. Hatchcock III.

In answer to the question, yes I could. And as a matter of fact their are some people I know right now that i think the world would be a better place without, I want to kill them. I want to make sure they have a slow painful death, by my hands. But this is the only stray to Hatchcocks morals I really have.

What kind of self-conscious idiot would actually kill someone? I mean, seriously, I myself, could not harm another human being. I don't know why, so don't ask. But I just wouldn't.

.... 'self-conscious'?

whisky.
tango.
foxtrot.

At the worst I'm a sub-clinical sociopath.

At the best you are a loser.

I got into a few fights with people when they had a knife and I didn't when I was young. Luckily I had a size and reach advantage and just about anything you can pick up can make a good shield. I settled for disarming and then kicking them in the stomach or balls. I mean a really good kick like you were running to kick a football.

That's because I knew from the lives of others I had watched, when you kill someone even in self defense, even in America, the state shits on your life.

Even if you exonerated, there's one to two years getting your ass dragged on and off to court and probably a lawsuit. The court may even send you to expensive psychological counseling. Really, I'd rather just kick someone in the balls..

According to PETA, I've killed hundreds.

"Promoting fishing teaches young people that hooking, maiming, suffocating, and killing is acceptable."
http://www.peta.org/feat/merit/

And I've found it... delicious!

Stuffed Trout
One large or two small trout; 1 tsp. lemon pepper; 2-3 tbsp. butter; 1/2 cup fresh tomatoes; 1/2 coarsely chopped onion; 1/2 cup coarsely chopped celery; foil for wrapping. Gut and degill trout; wash thoroughly with water, leaving head, tail and fins on or you may cut them off. Fillets also may be used. Lay trout on 14-inch piece of foil and sprinkle on half the lemon pepper; place half the butter in cavity or on fillet. Put tomatoes, onions, celery and rest of lemon pepper and butter in cavity or on fillets; some will overflow from cavity. Take two sides of the foil together and fold several times to seal top; then fold in the two ends to seal. Place on grill 2 inches or more above hot coals. Small fish will cook in approximately 20 minutes and larger ones in 30 minutes. Be careful when handling hot foil.

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?
Yes, I actually shot someone (three times, in the back) while he was doing his damndest to rape my wife at knife point. It was sheer luck on his part that he DIDN'T die.

It's funny, despite all of the moralizing and thought most people put into the topic, absolutely none of it went through my head. I was upstairs, grabbed my gun, came down, saw the idiot "insert" himself, bang, bang, bang. No thought or emotion involved. Mentally, it was all very clinical. He was a problem that needed to be removed, and my gun was the best tool to accomplish that.

At that moment anyway. The realization of what I'd done didn't really hit me until my wife had run next door and I was left alone with the guy while he coughed and sputtered, drowning in his own blood on my dining room floor. It wasn't until that point that it really hit me...I'd put three holes in another human being. Had he stood up right then, I doubt I could have fired a fourth round (and if I had, I was shaking so badly that I probably couldn't have hit him).

Today, I'd do it all over again. Given the choice between letting my wife get raped and possibly knifed, and killing the guy trying to do it, there really would be no choice. Bang, bang, bang.

go Aviation? Lets say you are dropping Daisycutters all over Baghdad, how is that self-defense?
It's personal at that point. They shoot at us. We shoot back to keep from getting shot at.

What kind of self-conscious idiot would actually kill someone? I mean, seriously, I myself, could not harm another human being. I don't know why, so don't ask. But I just wouldn't.


Thank you for calling me a self-conscious idiot....my wife probably would agree with you.

So, you can't imagine a circumstance in which you would intentional, purposefully kill someone?

Sorry to tell you, but if you pose an immediate threat the life of me or my family, you're dead. Oops.

Sorry man, I'm going 1300. Probably going 1371 Combat Enginerr or 1316 (?) Metal Worker. Gotta do what I love!



Marine Corps Air Wing doesn't drop daisy cutters :P Mostly it's close air support, or precision shit off the air-ground task forces.

Back in the A-6 days, there was a lot of metal work to do. I guess it's mostly painting for the F-18s. Take care! Blowing up stuff is still fun. It's just dirtier when you have to live on the ground.
I was a forward air controller in Desert Storm, so I know a little about that.

If I ever ended up in the military, I'd like to go with something that involves fighting from a range. Of course, I'm probably nowhere near good enough a shot.

A helpful, educational diagram!

:confused: :sniper: <--- This is not me.
^---This is me.

I might do well in the medical field as I know first aid and such pretty well...
I dunno.

There's always artillery. Can't ignore the "King of Battle".

It's personal at that point. They shoot at us. We shoot back to keep from getting shot at.
Its like a Chinese Tank rolling over a stone-throwing teen activist.

Murder yes, Overkill yes, Self defense nope.

.... 'self-conscious'?

whisky.
tango.
foxtrot.
:D

Romeo.
Oscar.
Foxtrot.
Lima.

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?
I probably will when I eventually snap and lash out at whom ever is near me

Yes, I actually shot someone (three times, in the back) while he was doing his damndest to rape my wife at knife point. It was sheer luck on his part that he DIDN'T die.

It's funny, despite all of the moralizing and thought most people put into the topic, absolutely none of it went through my head. I was upstairs, grabbed my gun, came down, saw the idiot "insert" himself, bang, bang, bang. No thought or emotion involved. Mentally, it was all very clinical. He was a problem that needed to be removed, and my gun was the best tool to accomplish that.

At that moment anyway. The realization of what I'd done didn't really hit me until my wife had run next door and I was left alone with the guy while he coughed and sputtered, drowning in his own blood on my dining room floor. It wasn't until that point that it really hit me...I'd put three holes in another human being. Had he stood up right then, I doubt I could have fired a fourth round (and if I had, I was shaking so badly that I probably couldn't have hit him).

Today, I'd do it all over again. Given the choice between letting my wife get raped and possibly knifed, and killing the guy trying to do it, there really would be no choice. Bang, bang, bang.


Oh my! :eek:

How awful.....

So wait, did the guy die or not?

Its like a Chinese Tank rolling over a stone-throwing teen activist.

Murder yes, Overkill yes, Self defense nope.
I don't remember having any stones thrown my way.
Like I said. It's personal at that point.

:D

Romeo.
Oscar.
Foxtrot.
Lima.
Hell, this is even more fun than talking like a pirate!
:p
I wonder how long it will be before one of my friends decides to kill me for the sake of humanity?

Thank you for calling me a self-conscious idiot....my wife probably would agree with you.

So, you can't imagine a circumstance in which you would intentional, purposefully kill someone?

Sorry to tell you, but if you pose an immediate threat the life of me or my family, you're dead. Oops.

Why are you sorry. If this was not the case you would not be fit to be a husband/father/son.

At the best you are a loser.

EDIT:

Ooooooh go me! I can't read what I'm quoting.

Yes, at best I am indeed a loser.

Well done! You've insulted someone over the internet! Have a cookie!

Some questions cannot be answered in the hypothetical. This is one.

Hell, this is even more fun than talking like a pirate!
:p
I wonder how long it will be before one of my friends decides to kill me for the sake of humanity?

My record is around half an hour ^.^

And yes, the logical conclusion of that response is that I'm dead. What of it?

:p

My record is around half an hour ^.^

And yes, the logical conclusion of that response is that I'm dead. What of it?

:p
Yay!
I shall join the ranks of the undead, rising from their graves to post at the NS forums!

Yes, I actually shot someone (three times, in the back) while he was doing his damndest to rape my wife at knife point. It was sheer luck on his part that he DIDN'T die.

It's funny, despite all of the moralizing and thought most people put into the topic, absolutely none of it went through my head. I was upstairs, grabbed my gun, came down, saw the idiot "insert" himself, bang, bang, bang. No thought or emotion involved. Mentally, it was all very clinical. He was a problem that needed to be removed, and my gun was the best tool to accomplish that.

At that moment anyway. The realization of what I'd done didn't really hit me until my wife had run next door and I was left alone with the guy while he coughed and sputtered, drowning in his own blood on my dining room floor. It wasn't until that point that it really hit me...I'd put three holes in another human being. Had he stood up right then, I doubt I could have fired a fourth round (and if I had, I was shaking so badly that I probably couldn't have hit him).

Today, I'd do it all over again. Given the choice between letting my wife get raped and possibly knifed, and killing the guy trying to do it, there really would be no choice. Bang, bang, bang.

If I owned a gun I would probably have a similar reaction, since I dont I would probably go to my room take down my sword and take a swing at the guys head, if successful it would mean certain decapitation, after I realised what had happened I would probably go catatonic

Why are you sorry. If this was not the case you would not be fit to be a husband/father/son.

I wasn't apologizing for my response to his action, I was telling him that HIS response was not held by others and he would be in a big pickle if he acted as if everyone felt the same way he did.

EDIT:

Ooooooh go me! I can't read what I'm quoting.

Yes, at best I am indeed a loser.

Well done! You've insulted someone over the internet! Have a cookie!

hey baby, it's cool. in the last minute four kids in africa died from diarreha.

Would I? More like I just did... :D

hey baby, it's cool. in the last minute four kids in africa died from diarreha.

Most likely due to the dehydration caused, rather than anything else. Yes? And? Is there a point somewhere in this?

hey baby, it's cool. in the last minute four kids in africa died from diarreha.
Okay...
*backs away slowly*

Give me some Xanax, $30,000 U.S., a sniper rifle, and guaranteed not to be caught.

Depending on the person as well. A sinful, terrible person -- no problem.

Your average Joe -- probably not.

Note: I could hit a Bull's Eye with a pellet gun equipped with a cheap scope from 35 yards when I was 4 years old. So the sniper rifle thing isn't just a ploy to look "cool" or "mysterious" or any of that nonsense.

It's said people with blue or grey eyes are the best shots. Mine are a combination of the two.

However, a further note is that I'm generally a peaceful person. I rarely get into any physical conflicts, unless provoked.

- Tomas K.

Would I? No.

Could I? Yes.


This is not one of those "Kill a lone hitch-hiker, and wonder if the police would ever find his corpse" kinda threads issit?

Would I? No.

Could I? Yes.


This is not one of those "Kill a lone hitch-hiker, and wonder if the police would ever find his corpse" kinda threads issit?
Yea.. no NO! I said no

Give me some Xanax, $30,000 U.S., a sniper rifle, and guaranteed not to be caught.
.......................
Note: I could hit a Bull's Eye with a pellet gun equipped with a cheap scope from 35 yards when I was 4 years old. So the sniper rifle thing isn't just a ploy to look "cool" or "mysterious" or any of that nonsense.

We have something in common, except I could do it without the scope, and it was a bit further away, more like 50. Then again, I didn't hit the bulseye and I was 5, but my grouping was excelent. It was a group of seven shots all in the area of quarter.
Then when I was ten I moved up to .22's, and further distances. 100 yd, open site, 5 shots, all with in the area of a 50 cent piece and in the bullseye

I wonder how many people with kids can look at them and then say "no".

Horsesh*t...if someone was harming my 4 year old daughter...dead without a second thought. I'd probably have some regret later...but more along the lines of "why didn't that dead bastard know better not to screw with someone's kids?".

There are societal lines that simply cannot be crossed except under hazard of death. When I was a kid, we lived out in the country. Had a cookout one time that the sheriff stopped by for. He came by, sat down, had a steak and a beer (it was a big party) and there he is chatting with my pops. We'd had a scary incident earlier that summer with some bikers splitting up a bale of dope on the other end of our property and the sheriff told us that if we were ever attacked and had a gun in our possession that we make sure that we kill and not wound the perp. If he's wounded, finish him as the ensuing court battle and lawsuits will be hell on earth.

That and make sure to fire an extra round after he's gone. That way, when they find 4 bullets in the now dead perp and 5 expended from the pistol, you can claim one was a warning shot that the dude didn't heed.

Good advice from Johnny Law.

If this person was an immediate and uncontrollable threat to anyone, and I had the chance, i would (as Samuel L. Jackson put it) "pop a cap in his ass)

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?
Already have.

Perhaps echoing some of the other posters... it depends on what you define as self-defence.

If someone I cared about was at risk of harm, yes - I could very easily kill the 'risk' - I think.

If someone I didn't even know was in danger from an assailant, for example - I am not so sure - since I wouldn't be driven by the same pressures.

I think it is fairly safe to assume, however, that I'm not likely to go wandering around looking for people to kill.

Other than defending myself or a friend/family member, I would do it if I knew there was no way I could get caught.

If it was to stop someone harming my family or girlfriend, I would if that's what it needed.

But no, for me that would be the only justification.

EDIT: I might also do it to save a stranger, but because what governments & police do to people who use self-defence, it would be a toss-up.

When i was young i learned aikido...and my uncle was a marine so he taught me how to knife fight while i was in my teens....idk why i learned....just for the hell of it i guess.....i eventually came in handy though....i got mugged by 2 guys with knives.....i blacked out and next think i knew there was a bloody knife in my hands and a trail of blood leading away from me down the alley......idk what i did, but it worked cause i also still had my wallet....

Sure i would, they'd prolly deserve it.

If someone is a threat to me, my friends, or my family I would kill them without hesitation or remorse.

....i got mugged by 2 guys with knives.....i blacked out and next think i knew there was a bloody knife in my hands and a trail of blood leading away from me down the alley......idk what i did, but it worked cause i also still had my wallet....

Good Job.

If there was a massive disruption of the ordinary systems of law and order, a lot of people who ordinarily wouldn't think of killing (even in self-defense) will find themselves killing over something trivial.

I don't think I would be any different. It's probably a cheap thing to say you'll never kill anyone - but for most of us, we'll never know, will we?

If a family member or loved one was in danger or had just been killed, I wouldn't hesistate.

Yes, for a greater cause. That does not include fighting wars where my countries leaders thinks i should, but count me in for an assassination attempt on the next Hitler.

If there was a massive disruption of the ordinary systems of law and order, a lot of people who ordinarily wouldn't think of killing (even in self-defense) will find themselves killing over something trivial.

I don't think I would be any different. It's probably a cheap thing to say you'll never kill anyone - but for most of us, we'll never know, will we?
just like "Battle Royale"

Perhaps echoing some of the other posters... it depends on what you define as self-defence.

If someone I cared about was at risk of harm, yes - I could very easily kill the 'risk' - I think.

If someone I didn't even know was in danger from an assailant, for example - I am not so sure - since I wouldn't be driven by the same pressures.

I think it is fairly safe to assume, however, that I'm not likely to go wandering around looking for people to kill.

I guess most people would define what harm was worthy of death differently as well. If anyone I cared about was in danger of death and the only way to save them was to kill the assailant, I would do so. In fact, probably anyone, whether I knew them or not.

However, death isn't really the only time I would do it. For instance, if I saw someone being, or about to be raped, and the only way to stop it was to kill the assailant, I would do so. Perhaps it is just my extreme aversion to rape, but I am pretty positive I would beat the person to death with their own leg if that's what it came down to. I saw a play once in which a rape scene was depicted and, even though I consciously knew it was acting, it took quite a bit of restraint to not jump up on stage and pull the guy off of her. (Of course, later when I met the guy, he took this a compliment on his acting ability - LOL)

Originally Posted By Roach-Busters:
Would you ever kill someone not in self-defense?

what kind of question is that? Of course i would! :D

jk jk i wouldnt have the heart to...

but i mean if it actually was in self defense, yeah...

but like if i saw something like somebody hurting my brother or sister or even my mom id hurt them of course :sniper:

Everybody be careful what you say in here! This might be a police sting!!! haha jk jk

Yes.

Would you ever kill someone not in self-defense?

Yes

Have I ever killed someone not in self-defense?

No

Yes, I would kill someone in self-defense or in defense of my family. Haven't had to do that yet though.

If there was a massive disruption of the ordinary systems of law and order, a lot of people who ordinarily wouldn't think of killing (even in self-defense) will find themselves killing over something trivial.

I don't think I would be any different. It's probably a cheap thing to say you'll never kill anyone - but for most of us, we'll never know, will we?
i disagree. read Rousseau's 'The Social Contract' (1762). I agree with his arguements that it is living in society that forces or educates us to be violent, to desire things, and to compete. In a total lack of society (perhaps a 'massive disruption of the ordinary systems of law and order' as you describe) people would wish little more than they need to survive.
moot point though as we already live in society and we have already been educated in these ways. i've got to stop contradicting my own posts... interesting book anyway - read it (or a summary cos its actually long & boring)

i disagree. read Rousseau's 'The Social Contract' (1762). I agree with his arguements that it is living in society that forces or educates us to be violent, to desire things, and to compete. In a total lack of society (perhaps a 'massive disruption of the ordinary systems of law and order' as you describe) people would wish little more than they need to survive.
moot point though as we already live in society and we have already been educated in these ways. i've got to stop contradicting my own posts... interesting book anyway - read it (or a summary cos its actually long & boring)

I guess that explains looters then. Why they steal plasma TVs when the power is out. Yes, they stop desiring things...

All I'll say is never say never.

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?


Only as a last resort and only under certain circumstances.

Presented with the right situation, yes definitely.

It depends on what you mean by self-defense. Martial Artists train so there art is just reaction,if they are attacked, they'll black out, and the next moment they may be standing next to a dead body. Its self-defense, but its not really 'self' because it contains no thought.

are you smoking crack?

if someone was threatening me or my family, yes.
just out of the blue... most unlikely... i see no reason to expend thought or energy toward such a endeavor...

:sniper:


this state would rather put them to work in the gulags of siberia and make our country strong on their back!
we will teach them how to work or die.

I'm a staunch pacifist and would try to avoid killing anyone, even in self-defense.


can you say victim ?

I'm not suggesting anyone should do it, but I'm just wondering...would you?

Under the right circumstances yes. I do not think that the taking of life is inherently evil in it's own right. It is only when it is desregarded in the taking that it becomes so.

BTDT..it's not fun...

can you say victim ?

You don't have to kill people to defend yourself... whether you want to is the question.