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Sorry, I just had to do this after it was brought up in another thread.... :rolleyes:

Anything that is not just go fast, turn left is better.

The Distance Medley (track) - though I'm a 600m-runner myself

Le Tour de France. ;)

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Best. Thread. Ever.

Funny way to get attention. Unless you really thought people would think you were talking about cars.

Formula 1, obviously.

500 meter walk.

Good Lord, was I mislead.

As it is.... I say three-legged.

Formula 1, obviously.
Agreed.

Rally Monte Carlo. Espically when run by the Group B cars.

Ah, back in the day...

CUBANS!!!! they race against the sharks, tide, coast gaurds, but if ur a big cuban like me u just float and wish for the best. :p

Isle of Man TT

failing that, Formula One pwns american single seater motorsport (IRL/CART)

The appeal of car racing escapes me. It has all the thrill of sitting beside an Interstate highway (Motorway for you Brits) and watching traffic.

I was ready to come in here and utterly destroy you for this when I realized, by the poll, that it actually mean vehicle racing. Quite clever indeed.

The appeal of car racing escapes me. It has all the thrill of sitting beside an Interstate highway and watching traffic.

Unless you're actually driving the car.
There's nothing like the feeling you get driving 130km/h through tight, winding, dirt forest roads in a 400bhp 4wd car.

The appeal of car racing escapes me. It has all the thrill of sitting beside an Interstate highway (Motorway for you Brits) and watching traffic.

While I have to agree with you on some races, like Daytona, anything American, and Formula 1, you have obviously never watched a rally. I mean a proper rally too, WRC-style.

The appeal of car racing escapes me. It has all the thrill of sitting beside an Interstate highway (Motorway for you Brits) and watching traffic.
youve been watching too much goldfish racing (NASCAR/IRL)

Unless you're actually driving the car.
There's nothing like the feeling you get driving 130km/h through tight, winding, dirt forest roads in a 400bhp 4wd car.


Hmmm. Try driving my kit car. Heheheheheheheh. Much more fun. Just can't drive it on the roads until I can afford insurance.

I was ready to come in here and utterly destroy you for this when I realized, by the poll, that it actually mean vehicle racing. Quite clever indeed.
Ditto.
Damn thread titles!
:D

Hmmm. Try driving my kit car. Heheheheheheheh. Much more fun. Just can't drive it on the roads until I can afford insurance.

Lol, I know the owner of an '85 Audi Sport Quattro S1, and I've taken it out once or twice. No kit car (including the Peugeot 206 and Mitsubishi Lancer kit cars I've driven) can ever compare to what that Audi can do.

Well, granted, its a factory build, but the chassis/body is identical to a kit car, and the company that make it are a kit car firm. Just they built it, not my dad and me.

Two, count 'em, two, Suzuki GSXR-1000 engines mounted into a round-tube chassis with GRP and carbon body panels. 600 bhp per tonne (ish), 0-60 pretty much limited by how fast you can change gears, but one driver got it down below 3 seconds.

I feel I should be the one who doesnt read the first post...

OMG! U R TEH NAZY RASICT! U R TEH DY!

Well, granted, its a factory build, but the chassis/body is identical to a kit car, and the company that make it are a kit car firm. Just they built it, not my dad and me.

Two, count 'em, two, Suzuki GSXR-1000 engines mounted into a round-tube chassis with GRP and carbon body panels. 600 bhp per tonne (ish), 0-60 pretty much limited by how fast you can change gears, but one driver got it down below 3 seconds.


Mmmm... Escudo.
I'll stick with the Audi.
It's street legal too.

Nothing beats Group B.

Mmmm... Escudo.
I'll stick with the Audi.
It's street legal too.

Nothing beats Group B.

Tiger Z100WR. Fully taxed, SVA'd, and insured (Well, dad is, not me). Completely and utterly road legal. Sounds amazing too. Although sitting in the passenger seat will deafen you, with virtually no windscreen, and twin exhausts right next to you.

Agreed.


Double agreed!!

Say what you will about NASCAR, but it has more excitement then F1 ever will. For one, they actually pass each other. Two, margin of victory is not usually 10 seconds+ like F1.

It does take gonads of steel to be able to drive nearly 200mph, 3 inches off of the back bumper of the driver in front of you. Sure you drive around ovals, but it is fun to watch. They have spectacular wrecks. Plus the ladies at NASCAR races don't have scruples in regards to showing their ta-ta's! :)

Fun? You what? Oooh, they drive fast. It doesn't even take a driver to go round those courses. They could put a brick on the accelerator, lock the steering wheel slightly to the left, and fall asleep. In case you hadn't noticed, F1 has its fair share of crashes, and they do actually overtake. Even so, WRC owns all.

Fun? You what? Oooh, they drive fast. It doesn't even take a driver to go round those courses. They could put a brick on the accelerator, lock the steering wheel slightly to the left, and fall asleep. In case you hadn't noticed, F1 has its fair share of crashes, and they do actually overtake. Even so, WRC owns all.


Group B crashes owned all.
After all, they got an entire series banned from international compitition.

Group B crashes owned all.
After all, they got an entire series banned from international compitition.

Indeedy. Even so... Bring back Group B.

Rally is the only choice. I could say F1 Monarco as a fabulous race. But rally knocks them all dead. That takes serious guts!

the crashes in NASCAR arent even that spectacular, the commentators are all "wow look at that massive smash" when a couple of cars spin a bit and end up in the infield. in F1 cars t-bone each other and stuff, and go over other cars, and roll. much better crashes. As for racing, F1 might have a reputation for lack of overtaking and fair enough, that happens at some races, but the majority have a shitload of overtaking..

and never try to say that the skill and spectacle of driving on a NASCAR oval compares with an F1 race at Spa

Group B crashes owned all.
After all, they got an entire series banned from international compitition.
good point.

Group B wins, just for Lancia

the crashes in NASCAR arent even that spectacular, the commentators are all "wow look at that massive smash" when a couple of cars spin a bit and end up in the infield. in F1 cars t-bone each other and stuff, and go over other cars, and roll. much better crashes. As for racing, F1 might have a reputation for lack of overtaking and fair enough, that happens at some races, but the majority have a shitload of overtaking..

and never try to say that the skill and spectacle of driving on a NASCAR oval compares with an F1 race at Spa

Even so... Rally crashes are the most spectacular. You have to admit that.

Fun? You what? Oooh, they drive fast. It doesn't even take a driver to go round those courses. They could put a brick on the accelerator, lock the steering wheel slightly to the left, and fall asleep. In case you hadn't noticed, F1 has its fair share of crashes, and they do actually overtake. Even so, WRC owns all.


They actually overtake? Oh at just a couple of corners on the track? Yeah really great passing. Also, nice wussy shifting as well.

The thing about NASCAR is that it is also about the drivers' endurance. It gets really freaking hot in those car, most drivers lose up to 5lbs in one 500 mile race. Yes you can put a brick on the gas and lock the stearing wheel, but all you would do is crash into a wall. You have to shift, brake, and stear to make it around certain corners. Take Talladega Speedway for one. It's a huge track with long straights, and long, high-banked corners. Yes you do use momentum to enter the corners, but you have to be able to brake and shift when necessary to keep in the racing line so you don't hit the wall.

NASCAR today is far from a hillbilly sport.

Even so... Rally crashes are the most spectacular. You have to admit that.

yea...Solberg in Germany this year

Wow! They have to brake and shift for corners?!?!?!?!? And F1 don't? NASCAR only turns one way. How can that be hard?

the crashes in NASCAR arent even that spectacular, the commentators are all "wow look at that massive smash" when a couple of cars spin a bit and end up in the infield. in F1 cars t-bone each other and stuff, and go over other cars, and roll. much better crashes. As for racing, F1 might have a reputation for lack of overtaking and fair enough, that happens at some races, but the majority have a shitload of overtaking..

and never try to say that the skill and spectacle of driving on a NASCAR oval compares with an F1 race at Spa


I guess you haven't seen too many crashes then. Cars get airborne quite often. It's a bit more spectacular to see some heavy car take off, then some lightweight thing take off. Stock cars T-Bone, roll, and burst into flames. F1 also uses too many pit crew members, I like NASCAR for that reason.

Passing at F1?? Maybe in the back of the pack, but lately (over the past 3 years) the leaders only get passed in the pits! A shitload of "overtaking" indead.

I will say that it is above the spectacle of F1. Nice season F1 had. Real competitive! At least in NASCAR, someone in a red car won't win all of the races!

They actually overtake? Oh at just a couple of corners on the track? Yeah really great passing. You try overtaking at a flat left corner when you lose all your downforce when you get too close. Come back and tell us how you get on. F1 cars arent designed to take corners flat one behind the other


Also, nice wussy shifting as well.
yea, manual gearshifts must be really simple. Whats that you say? restricor plate?


The thing about NASCAR is that it is also about the drivers' endurance. It gets really freaking hot in those car, most drivers lose up to 5lbs in one 500 mile race.
F1 drivers lose up to 2 stone in a 2 hour race. Theyre wearing four layers of fireproof clothing. with a 900bhp engine behind stuck to their back, and in conditions as warm as 40 degrees


You have to shift, brake, and stear to make it around certain corners.
All that huh? what driving prowess they must have.

I guess you haven't seen too many crashes then. Cars get airborne quite often. It's a bit more spectacular to see some heavy car take off, then some lightweight thing take off. Stock cars T-Bone, roll, and burst into flames. F1 also uses too many pit crew members, I like NASCAR for that reason.

Passing at F1?? Maybe in the back of the pack, but lately (over the past 3 years) the leaders only get passed in the pits! A shitload of "overtaking" indead.

I will say that it is above the spectacle of F1. Nice season F1 had. Real competitive! At least in NASCAR, someone in a red car won't win all of the races!

To be honest, you are preaching to the converted. WRC is the ultimate, far above NASCAR and F1, and no, I haven't seen many NASCAR races. I generally fall asleep after about two laps of watching it.

I guess you haven't seen too many crashes then. Cars get airborne quite often. It's a bit more spectacular to see some heavy car take off, then some lightweight thing take off. Stock cars T-Bone, roll, and burst into flames.
Never seen a crash in NASCAR that was anywhere near as spectacular as half the crashes in F1. and i watch NASCAR quite alot out of boredom.



Passing at F1?? Maybe in the back of the pack, but lately (over the past 3 years) the leaders only get passed in the pits! A shitload of "overtaking" indead.

I will say that it is above the spectacle of F1. Nice season F1 had. Real competitive! At least in NASCAR, someone in a red car won't win all of the races!
funny, someone in a red car didnt win all of the races....

and yea, theres plenty of passing. Schumacher might be in front, but begind him it was actually one of the most competitive seasons ever

All that huh? what driving prowess they must have.

Especially since they have to master turning left so much. Someone should put a single right turn in a NASCAR track. I bet not one driver would make it past that corner. Just be one huge pile-up.

Wow! They have to brake and shift for corners?!?!?!?!? And F1 don't? NASCAR only turns one way. How can that be hard?


Never said F1 didn't have to do that. I was responding, learn to read!

Ok little buddy, I want you to put on a firesuit, and helmet, jump into a NASCAR Nextel Cup car, and enter a race. Sure it might seem easy at first, but wait an hour, two hours, three hours, four hours. Drive that car around the track 250 times while baking in 150+ degree temperatures. You may find it harder then you think. Ask Montoya how it was to drive a NASCAR. He did a switch with Jeff Gordon and he said that he didn't know how NASCAR drivers could race those cars for that long. Sure an F1 is hard to drive, but so are stock cars.

Lets face it, citing Montoya as an example of a fit F1 driver isnt particularly wise. Hes the least fit, Michael Schumacher would get out of the car after several hours in a NASCAR race, and have so much energy left hed do a little dance as well. Just for fun.

Anything that is not just go fast, turn left is better.
I'll second that.

Where's the love for the two-wheelers out there, how about the Moto GP circuit?

ive already said Isle of Man TT.

Motorbike road racing is the best form of motorsport about. closely followed by MotoGP

Never seen a crash in NASCAR that was anywhere near as spectacular as half the crashes in F1. and i watch NASCAR quite alot out of boredom.



funny, someone in a red car didnt win all of the races....

and yea, theres plenty of passing. Schumacher might be in front, but begind him it was actually one of the most competitive seasons ever


The crashes in F1 are like that cause the cars are built to come apart easy.

Sure he didn't win "all" of the races but he won a hell of a lot. The driver standings for Schumacher weren't even close. Yeah there was passing behind the leaders, but what is the point. Competetivness should be up front. I don't watch races to see the last ten racers passing each other. I watch to see winning. Until F1 has competive leaders, it will just be a Euro playboy motorsport.

Happily. But I still say that WRC is more entertaining, by a long, long, long way.

ive already said Isle of Man TT.

Motorbike road racing is the best form of motorsport about. closely followed by MotoGP


Motorcycle racing definately is the toughest form of racing. Just for the danger factor, those guys must have watermelon sized balls.

The crashes in F1 are like that cause the cars are built to come apart easy.

Sure he didn't win "all" of the races but he won a hell of a lot. The driver standings for Schumacher weren't even close. Yeah there was passing behind the leaders, but what is the point. Competetivness should be up front. I don't watch races to see the last ten racers passing each other. I watch to see winning. Until F1 has competive leaders, it will just be a Euro playboy motorsport.
The cars arent meant to come apart easy. Theyre meant to be safe and dissapate energy...but they dont come apart. Last time an F1 car broke was 1996.

competitve at the front you say? 2003. Schumacher had good chanllenges from Montoya and Raikkonen, and just won at the last race. 2004. Second half Raikkonen was challenging Schumacher in most races. Need anymore examples? 2000, in fact, every season until 2002. Then there was 2003 anyway.

Never said F1 didn't have to do that. I was responding, learn to read!

Ok little buddy, I want you to put on a firesuit, and helmet, jump into a NASCAR Nextel Cup car, and enter a race. Sure it might seem easy at first, but wait an hour, two hours, three hours, four hours. Drive that car around the track 250 times while baking in 150+ degree temperatures. You may find it harder then you think. Ask Montoya how it was to drive a NASCAR. He did a switch with Jeff Gordon and he said that he didn't know how NASCAR drivers could race those cars for that long. Sure an F1 is hard to drive, but so are stock cars.


Well, then I challange you to jump into a fire resistant suit, a helmet, and jump in a rally car. Then, drive around dirt roads all alone at 150mph, doing both left and right hand turns, of all degrees, including hairpins, in a rally car that is completely street legal. Oh, and let's not forget that you should do this for the typical Rally event, as in about 10-12 hours per day, for 7 days in a row, and through all weather, and all terrain.

Now, having experianced both sides, I have to say driving a rally car is far far harder on driver endurance and skill. It is, believe it or not, alot easier to keep from smashing into the guys around you at 200mph then it is to leep from hitting a tree on a road no bigger then the car itself, at 150mph.

Although, when they bring NASCAR onto road-tracks, that's fun to watch. Well, it was until they started bringing in outside drivers for those events.

Lets face it, citing Montoya as an example of a fit F1 driver isnt particularly wise. Hes the least fit, Michael Schumacher would get out of the car after several hours in a NASCAR race, and have so much energy left hed do a little dance as well. Just for fun.

Sure he would. I'd like to see him do that after a 500 mile race in the southern heat of Alabama. NASCAR drivers aren't beer guzzling, unfit yokels. They are constantly working out. They have great upper body strength.

Sure he would. I'd like to see him do that after a 500 mile race in the southern heat of Alabama. NASCAR drivers aren't beer guzzling, unfit yokels. They are constantly working out. They have great upper body strength.
hed probably be fine

well, if he can handle Bahrain...Malaysia...Brazil...China.....

The cars arent meant to come apart easy. Theyre meant to be safe and dissapate energy...but they dont come apart. Last time an F1 car broke was 1996.




If they don't come apart on impact, how do they dissipate energy? They are designed to absorb the shock of impact by using the chasis to dissipate said energy. Thus the bodys fall apart to take the impact. Why do you think all of that shit flys off when they have an incident? Thus they are made to break apart, for safety. If the F1 cars were built like NASCAR ones, you'd have a lot of dead F1 drivers.

hed probably be fine

well, if he can handle Bahrain...Malaysia...Brazil...China.....

Yes but he doesn't sit on top of an oven, now does he. Try to remember that his engine and exhaust are behind him! ;)

Can we please agree to disagree. Sure we all like our own motorsports, but each is difficult and unique in it's own way.

Now how about Motocross racing with all of that jumping action?

How about hot-air balloon racing?

What about drag racing? My 69 Charger was quite quick in the 1/4 mile.

Finally, what about Monster Truck racing?

First of all, I can't believe I'm going to be on the same side as Johnny Wadd in an argument...strange bedfellows indeed (yes, I realise the secondary implication)
Especially since they have to master turning left so much. Someone should put a single right turn in a NASCAR track. I bet not one driver would make it past that corner. Just be one huge pile-up.

NASCAR races on two road courses in thier season, Watkin's Glen and Sears Point Raceway (I'm not calling it Infenion....). Watkin's Glen was a F1 track, so for all of those who want NASCAR drivers to deal with F1 conditions, there you go. Shut up now.

No big pile ups either. That happens in restrictor plate SuperSpeedways. Since the cars are balanced for compitition (which is really what makes NASCAR, it is competitive) the cars end up bunched together. Thats fourty cars bunched together doing 180 (that's the plates). A little dirty air, someone gets a little too zealous, and you got 5-10 cars piling into each other. They call it 'The Big One' and it happens almost everytime on the SuperSpeedways. If you where watching you'd know that.

Ovals are not my favorite. Really they rank right above drag (which I barely consider racing). But I believe that we should be fair and give credit where it is due.

I would like F1 to be interesting, I really would. The tracks are fantastic, the tech should be the bleeding edge and the drivers the best in the world. But it is now just a pagent parade. Will this be the race that Schumaker loses? How much token resistance will I see from the Williams-BMW or a Adrian Newey designed car? Nowadays all F1 is good for is the pagentry. It's not even a question of who's going to have the hottest pit girls. (Jordan)

Any of ten to twenty driver could win any NASCAR race. And, lest we forget, watching racing like any other sport is about the contest. The 500 mile races are about endurance, about preserving your car and maintaining the pace. It is a much deeper strategy than just 'hooking left' for three hours. Once you understand that it is a lot more compelling to watch-but you have to not had your attention span abriviated.

My personal favorite is endurance sports cars, but the reality there right now is that only one manufacture at a time makes any serious effort so it's almost just like watching a corperate demo video at times...Porsche needs to get off it's ass and contend when someone else is making a serious effort so we can have some races again. The GTS and GT classes are becoming very competive, however.

Rally is the best test of driver and machine, but it is not spectator friendly. I'm not watching a compitition, I'm watching a demonstration after which someone reads me some numbers about who did better. As amazing as that demonstration is, it's not much of a compitition to watch.

First of all, I can't believe I'm going to be on the same side as Johnny Wadd in an argument...strange bedfellows indeed (yes, I realise the secondary implication)




Is it true that Ford wants to race a new GT40 at LeMans? Which they should as they kicked all of Europes butt once, and will do it again.

Thanks for seeing my side for once. All I was trying to say is that I don't find F1 competitive now.

BTW I wouldn't be too much of a strange bedfellow! Just put a shirt on me, put a wire hanger coming out the back, and you can hang me anywhere. Once you get over the shock of my stumps, you'd be pleased. Think of me as a dradel(sp?). Just don't tell my wife! ;)

This is the best title for a topic ever.

Motorcycle racing definately is the toughest form of racing. Just for the danger factor, those guys must have watermelon sized balls.

Heh, my roommate has cheated death three times racing motorcycles in an amateur. Broke his back (compression fracture, didn't paralyse him) two seasons ago, and two cuncussions this past season. Two of those crashes were at around the 200 kph mark.

Heh, my roommate has cheated death three times racing motorcycles in an amateur. Broke his back (compression fracture, didn't paralyse him) two seasons ago, and two cuncussions this past season. Two of those crashes were at around the 200 kph mark.

Does he have trouble fitting into normal underwear?

Is it true that Ford wants to race a new GT40 at LeMans? Which they should as they kicked all of Europes butt once, and will do it again.
Before the brits jump all over you, they had a pretty heavy hand in the first GT40, so much so that a lot of them take credit for the car. Which is equally unfair. Somehow everyones lost the notion of 'joint effort'. Really the whole thing came about because Ford was trying to buy Ferrari but got an 11th hour screw that had Ferrari go to Fiat. So to show them up, enter the GT40. I would have loved to see the unregulated GT40 (before the rules changes to oust the GT40 by limiting engines) go up against the Porshce 917s......what a race that would have been. Pedro Rodriguiz owns. Even if I mispell his last name.

Thanks for seeing my side for once. All I was trying to say is that I don't find F1 competitive now.
It's not, really. It used to be. It can be again. I may be the last person on the planet (I guess, judging from the responses these thread get) that is an actual racing fan. I like racing. I have preferences, but in the end, it's about the racing. So I can watch and enjoy NASCAR and F1 without throwing a hissy.

BTW I wouldn't be too much of a strange bedfellow! Just put a shirt on me, put a wire hanger coming out the back, and you can hang me anywhere. Once you get over the shock of my stumps, you'd be pleased. Think of me as a dradel(sp?). Just don't tell my wife! ;)
I have no idea what any of that means, so I'm just going to back away slowly....

Formula 1, obviously.

Amen Brother

Even so... Rally crashes are the most spectacular. You have to admit that.
Rally racing is the best, IMO.
Then again, I'm pretty biased since I usually hate all car racing.

Say what you will about NASCAR, but it has more excitement then F1 ever will. For one, they actually pass each other. Two, margin of victory is not usually 10 seconds+ like F1.

It does take gonads of steel to be able to drive nearly 200mph, 3 inches off of the back bumper of the driver in front of you. Sure you drive around ovals, but it is fun to watch. They have spectacular wrecks. Plus the ladies at NASCAR races don't have scruples in regards to showing their ta-ta's! :)

*Radio mike to car*... okay, the next one's a left.... then a left.... a left.... the next one's left.... then a left.... a left... now, get ready - there's a left...

I'm guessing you've never actually watched Formula 1... maybe a couple of minutes one day... in it's day, the rivalry between Schumacher and Hill would've put NASCAR to shame...

*Radio mike to car*... okay, the next one's a left.... then a left.... a left.... the next one's left.... then a left.... a left... now, get ready - there's a left...

I'm guessing you've never actually watched Formula 1... maybe a couple of minutes one day... in it's day, the rivalry between Schumacher and Hill would've put NASCAR to shame...
Dude, I watched that season. You're kidding yourself.