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I would just like to bring to attention the fact that, down in middle - lower latitude Australia, you can actually feel the sun burning your skin on a sunny day. I am also discusted that Australia, the country affected the most by this is contributing most per capita to the problem and the least willing to do anything about it. Australia, get your act together!

It's odd really, we asked "What do white Australians do about skin cancer?" and the answer was "They don't" i wonder that you lot survive. Tis a great shame that you pay for the sins (not literal*) of the rest of the world.

*In the eys of Chich you are paying literally for your sins.

I would just like to bring to attention the fact that, down in middle - lower latitude Australia, you can actually feel the sun burning your skin on a sunny day. I am also discusted that Australia, the country affected the most by this is contributing most per capita to the problem and the least willing to do anything about it. Australia, get your act together!
The hole is over Antarctica...

The hole is over Antarctica...
It's expanded. Plus, the dude lives in Australia, so he would know.

It's odd really, we asked "What do white Australians do about skin cancer?" and the answer was "They don't" i wonder that you lot survive. Tis a great shame that you pay for the sins (not literal*) of the rest of the world.

*In the eys of Chich you are paying literally for your sins.

Of course we care about skin canser, we just can't do anything about it. I suggest using nuclear power plants, at least temporarily untill we come up with something better. I'm sixteen and I have little black/brown spots on my arms (I think this is caused by solar radiation). This is just ridiculous!

It's expanded. Plus, the dude lives in Australia, so he would know.

Thankyou. Yes, the hole is over antarctica, but we are feeling the effects exponentially all the way from Cairns to Hobart. (North QLD to bottom TAS.) At any rate, I live in the ACT, and we sure feel it here. (Kind of lower middle Aust.)

It's expanded. Plus, the dude lives in Australia, so he would know.
You sure about that? I remember reading in early '02 that a decrease in the size of the hole is beginning.

I would just like to bring to attention the fact that, down in middle - lower latitude Australia, you can actually feel the sun burning your skin on a sunny day. I am also discusted that Australia, the country affected the most by this is contributing most per capita to the problem and the least willing to do anything about it. Australia, get your act together!
Hasn't it been shrinking the past couple of years? If you really wanted to close it quicker you would seed thunderheads in the area the ozone layer is gone.

You sure about that? I remember reading in early '02 that a decrease in the size of the hole is beginning.

Isn't that process supossed to take about a thousand years? I think it may have begun growing again soon after also.

Isn't that process supossed to take about a thousand years? I think it may have begun growing again soon after also.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/30/tech/main523785.shtml

Here's an old link, and with the difference they were talking about, I'd think it would take less than a thousand years.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/30/tech/main523785.shtml

Here's an old link, and with the difference they were talking about, I'd think it would take less than a thousand years.

An Australian study published two weeks ago reported that chlorine-based chemical levels in the atmosphere are falling, and the hole in the ozone layer should close within 50 years. Although the ozone layer has not yet begun to repair itself, the hole would probably start closing within five years

Hmmm... well, at any rate, the sun burns. Come down here and feel it for yourself. Science and statistics aside, it's bad.

Hmmm... well, at any rate, the sun burns. Come down here and feel it for yourself. Science and statistics aside, it's bad.
The sun burns anywhere, even in Delaware

Hmmm... well, at any rate, the sun burns. Come down here and feel it for yourself. Science and statistics aside, it's bad.
Seed as many thunderstorms over the ocean as you can. The more lightning activity, the more ozone is created.

The sun burns anywhere, even in Delaware
The sun burned me in Maine once...

Of course we care about skin canser, we just can't do anything about it. I suggest using nuclear power plants, at least temporarily untill we come up with something better. I'm sixteen and I have little black/brown spots on my arms (I think this is caused by solar radiation). This is just ridiculous!
Yeah i just meant that, there's nothing you can do about skin cancer, and yet you're at greater risk of it because of the rest of the worlds greed.

The sun burned me in Maine once...

I'm not talking about sunburn, I'm talking about the fact that you can feel the sun cooking your skin as soon as the light touches you. I wear a jacket in 100 degree (to use farenheit (sp?)) temperatures to keep the sun off. It's bad, it's really, really bad! Honestly.

Isn't the hole nearly closed now anyway?

I thought it had nearly entirely regenerated.

Anyway, I live in Australia too, and of course you can feel the burn in summer, same as anywhere else really, only we're closer to the sun, so the feeling is amplified.

It's always been like this, I don't think the "Hole in the Ozone Layer" is whats frying us ;)

Yeah i just meant that, there's nothing you can do about skin cancer, and yet you're at greater risk of it because of the rest of the worlds greed.

Hey, we can't complain, we're the only nation (except the US) not to sign the Kyoto Accord. WTF! What was our government thinking.

Hey, we can't complain, we're the only nation (except the US) not to sign the Kyoto Accord. WTF! What was our government thinking.
(8) money money money (8)

:P, you never know.

Isn't the hole nearly closed now anyway?

I thought it had nearly entirely regenerated.

Anyway, I live in Australia too, and of course you can feel the burn in summer, same as anywhere else really, only we're closer to the sun, so the feeling is amplified.

It's always been like this, I don't think the "Hole in the Ozone Layer" is whats frying us ;)

Have you ever been to North America or Europe? I haven't, but I know people who have (yes, in summer) and they say the sun doesn't burn there. I think the sun's got hotter in MY lifetime. But, maybe you're right, and the sun just IS more potent down under.

well its hot, it bruns, (during the summer) but its not that bad.

Have you ever been to North America or Europe? I haven't, but I know people who have (yes, in summer) and they say the sun doesn't burn there. I think the sun's got hotter in MY lifetime. But, maybe you're right, and the sun just IS more potent down under.

No, I haven't, but I'm guessing that, by comparison you wouldn't notice the sun nearly so much there as you would here...

How long have you lived for? I would have sworn this summer was one of the coldest I've seen for a while :)

Just an interesting point - more people die of skin cancer in the UK every year than in Australia. We tend to be extremely fanatic about any suspicious looking freckle or blemish. We also tend to just about bathe in sunscreen and have all sorts of cute little catch phrases "Slip, slop, slap" is the most lewd sounding one ;) (slip on a shirt, slap on sunscreen and slap on a hat) but we also have "between 11 and 3 get under a tree" and a couple of others. So actual skin cancer death rates are actually dropping here.

Another point - SUNBURN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HOT IT IS! Sorry for the caps, but I wanted to make myself clear. The UV levels are bad even if it is overcast. A girl here was hospitalised with severe burning on a coolish day. So how "hot" you feel is no indicator of how much you're being burned. It lessens during winter, but if you have fair skin you should have sunscreen on all year.

As for the inspired comment that we are closer to the sun here - wtf are you thinking? :headbang: We're all on the same planet, it's our climate that is different, not our distance from the sun ffs! Sheesh!

I'd like to suggest that the sun hasn't become hotter in your lifetime, but that you are more aware of the damage it does and so you notice the sun more. When you are a kid stupid things like temperature have nothing to do with anything. ;)



EDIT: I just wanted to add that I too was disgusted when our bastard government refused to ratify the accord, too. Then again our bastard government disgusts me frequently...

As for the inspired comment that we are closer to the sun here - wtf are you thinking? :headbang: We're all on the same planet, it's our climate that is different, not our distance from the sun ffs! Sheesh!

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We are closer to the sun! Who taught you about our planet? :headbang:

Just an interesting point - more people die of skin cancer in the UK every year than in Australia. We tend to be extremely fanatic about any suspicious looking freckle or blemish. We also tend to just about bathe in sunscreen and have all sorts of cute little catch phrases "Slip, slop, slap" is the most lewd sounding one ;) (slip on a shirt, slap on sunscreen and slap on a hat) but we also have "between 11 and 3 get under a tree" and a couple of others. So actual skin cancer death rates are actually dropping here.

Another point - SUNBURN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW HOT IT IS! Sorry for the caps, but I wanted to make myself clear. The UV levels are bad even if it is overcast. A girl here was hospitalised with severe burning on a coolish day. So how "hot" you feel is no indicator of how much you're being burned. It lessens during winter, but if you have fair skin you should have sunscreen on all year.

As for the inspired comment that we are closer to the sun here - wtf are you thinking? :headbang: We're all on the same planet, it's our climate that is different, not our distance from the sun ffs! Sheesh!

I'd like to suggest that the sun hasn't become hotter in your lifetime, but that you are more aware of the damage it does and so you notice the sun more. When you are a kid stupid things like temperature have nothing to do with anything. ;)



EDIT: I just wanted to add that I too was disgusted when our bastard government refused to ratify the accord, too. Then again our bastard government disgusts me frequently...

Sounds reasonable. I agree about the government, It's ludicrous, some - most - of the things they do.

Hey, we can't complain, we're the only nation (except the US) not to sign the Kyoto Accord. WTF! What was our government thinking.
Not that Kyoto has to do with the Ozone hole at all...

Not that Kyoto has to do with the Ozone hole at all...

I beg to differ, greenhouse gas emission reduction strategies - sounds like it'll effect the ozone layer to me.

Under the Convention governments:

-gather and share information on greenhouse gas emissions, national policies and best practices
-launch national strategies for addressing greenhouse emissions and adapting to expected impacts, including the provision of financial and technological support to developing countries
-coooperate in preparaing for adaptation to the impacts of climate change

I beg to differ, greenhouse gas emission reduction strategies - sounds like it'll effect the ozone layer to me.

Under the Convention governments:

-gather and share information on greenhouse gas emissions, national policies and best practices
-launch national strategies for addressing greenhouse emissions and adapting to expected impacts, including the provision of financial and technological support to developing countries
-coooperate in preparaing for adaptation to the impacts of climate change
Greenhouse gasses have nothing to do with the ozone hole. Greenhouse gasses deal with global warming, and the main greenhouse gas is CO2. This gas collects in the atmosphere and traps heat, like in a greenhouse.

The gas/chemical responsible for the hole in the Ozone layer is the Chloroflourocarbon. The CFC decomposes the O3 of the ozone layer and makes the components fall to lower levels of the atmosphere. This was commonly used as a refrigerant and propellant until its effect on the ozone layer was discovered, at which point western nations promptly did their best to get rid of it (including the US and Australia.)

The greenhouse gases limited under Kyoto and ozone depleters overlap in sometimes, like hydrofluorocarbons, but Kyoto dosen't cover other ozone depleters, such as methyl bromide or methyl cloroform.

Greenhouse gasses have nothing to do with the ozone hole. Greenhouse gasses deal with global warming, and the main greenhouse gas is CO2. This gas collects in the atmosphere and traps heat, like in a greenhouse.

The gas/chemical responsible for the hole in the Ozone layer is the Chloroflourocarbon. The CFC decomposes the O3 of the ozone layer and makes the components fall to lower levels of the atmosphere. This was commonly used as a refrigerant and propellant until its effect on the ozone layer was discovered, at which point western nations promptly did their best to get rid of it (including the US and Australia.)

Oh... proved me wrong! The hole in the Ozone Layer does effect global warming though.

We are closer to the sun! Who taught you about our planet? :headbang:Actually a large amount of Australia is below sea level, so I suppose you could even argue that we are further away from the sun if you wanted to :D

Dude, Australia is closer to the sun during our summer and further away during our winter. Canada (for instance) is further from the sun during our summer and closer to the sun during our winter. It's that tilt that gives us seasons. If you're talking cosmic distances, the difference is minute. We are all on the same planet - or at least most of us are ;) - so we are all generally the same distance from the sun.

Actually a large amount of Australia is below sea level, so I suppose you could even argue that we are further away from the sun if you wanted to :D

Dude, Australia is closer to the sun during our summer and further away during our winter. Canada (for instance) is further from the sun during our summer and closer to the sun during our winter. It's that tilt that gives us seasons. If you're talking cosmic distances, the difference is minute. We are all on the same planet - or at least most of us are ;) - so we are all generally the same distance from the sun.

Dudette, thankyou ;)

Since when is Australia below sea level? Why arn't I underwater now, I haven't seen any dykes around, have you?

So if we are further away from the sun during our winter and all that, why is it still warmer in Australian winters than other places?

Yes, generally the same, but you admit I was right? ;)

Oh, and I wasn't being sarcastic before, I am genuinely interested in hearing what you have to say about this.

Dudette, thankyou ;)

I haven't seen any dykes around, have you?




I have seen plenty believe me! I am all for gay marriage as long as the two chicks are hot!

I have seen plenty believe me! I am all for gay marriage as long as the two chicks are hot!

See, this is what I don't understand about guys...

Why do they like lesbians? Isn't the point of being gay that they are only attracted to other chicks- *Not guys*?!
hehehe :D

:fluffle:

See, this is what I don't understand about guys...

Why do they like lesbians? Isn't the point of being gay that they are only attracted to other chicks- *Not guys*?!
hehehe :D

:fluffle:

Well, in my experience, guys like to ogle them in public is a lot of it.

At any rate, I live in the ACT, and we sure feel it here. (Kind of lower middle Aust.)

Mate, try it down here in Adelaide

Well, in my experience, guys like to ogle them in public is a lot of it.

Yes they do, don't they?

My question is why; as a chick, I don't get off on guys kissing each other, so why do guys like lesbians so much? :D

The hole in the ozone layer has nothing to do with the Kyoto accord, which is ONLY about carbon dioxide. Some chemicals (CFC's) destroy ozone - they were used as refrigerants and in spray cans. Now their release to air should be banned. The Kyoto accord is about a different effluent, carbon dioxide, which doesn't affect the ozone layer, at all. Don't get these two mixed.

However, the global warming would hit Australia probably in the form of more El Niño effect, that is, drought and more bushfires. That's a different burning than skin burning.

You're over-reacting, bud. The hole shrank about 20% between 2003 and 2004.
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1147332004

Mate, try it down here in Adelaide

I don't doubt that. Plus you have the water more saline than the sea problem. Bugger!

Dress and act like your Asian friends.

It's 39 degrees and their wearing long sleeve shirts and long jeans! And they like to put their textbooks/schoolbag on their heads when the sun is shining. Or hide in the shadows all the time. :p

http://www.ga.gov.au/map/images.jsp

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/australia_topo_map.html?712005

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001763.html

http://www.ga.gov.au/image_cache/GA4073.jpg

I would like to preface this by saying that I am not a geologist or cartographer or anything like that. This is just what I have managed to absorb by osmosis and wide ranging reading over a looooooong time ;) I haven’t studied this stuff since year 8 (first year in high school, 12-13yo usually)
Since when is Australia below sea level? Why arn't I underwater now, I haven't seen any dykes around, have you?
I’ve done a little bit of research and I have discovered that Australia seems to be kind of like a big shallow platter with a raised edge. Think about it – all of our major mountain ranges (old and wizened as they are ;) ) are around the edges of the continent, aren’t they? That’s why you “don’t see any dykes” other than the fun type :D
Actually, Australia seems to be roughly at sea level for the most part, with a few depressions and peaks for variety :p .

There is also the point that I was being facetious when I made that particular statement. :D

So if we are further away from the sun during our winter and all that, why is it still warmer in Australian winters than other places?It’s even hotter in places like the Middle East which is “further away” from the sun again (Dead Sea, Israel-Jordan, 1,349 ft. below sea level (–411 m))
The short answer is that I don’t really know the technical answers to your questions and can only suggest that you have a look around and ask some people who know more than I (there are a few around ;) )
You should also keep in mind that it gets pretty cold in central Australia at night. You said you live in the ACT? It gets pretty frosty there at times, too.
Come to think of it, the highest places – those that would be “closest” to the sun – tend to be freakin’ freezing, so there goes that concept out the window:D
Yes, generally the same, but you admit I was right? Huh? What? You right? NEVERRR!!!. Actually – I’m not sure what you’re referring to here, so I concede NUZZINK!
Oh, and I wasn't being sarcastic before, I am genuinely interested in hearing what you have to say about this. Well, there ya go. Enjoy :fluffle:

Hasn't it been shrinking the past couple of years? If you really wanted to close it quicker you would seed thunderheads in the area the ozone layer is gone.

:rolleyes:

I don't doubt that. Plus you have the water more saline than the sea problem. Bugger!
Damn NSW and Victoria, poisoning our water and killing the Murray

I second this. If you really want to experience a bad sunburn, go out in a boat along our coast on a hot day. Owie.

You can get burnt after just 15 minutes, and all that while you have the unpleasant burning sensation. Ask any Aussie who was around in the 60's and they'll tell you it has gotten much worse.

Damn NSW and Victoria, poisoning our water and killing the Murray

Before you attack me, I was born in Adelaide. :p But for what it's worth, we did a good job of our own rivers (Eg. The Snowy) too.

Before you attack me, I was born in Adelaide. :p But for what it's worth, we did a good job of our own rivers (Eg. The Snowy) too.

Yes you did a good job of putting up dams and puting in Lockes, so you could have lots of nice water, to bad it has decreased the flow of the murray.
Oh and thanks for all the pestisides and such that you let wash down stream, it adds to the taste it really does.

sorry I just like stirring up you Vics :)

Why am I wearing sunglasses when it's the middle of winter, if the sun isn't stronger?

Ask any Aussie who was around in the 60's and they'll tell you it has gotten much worse.Ahhh yes, the good old days. They were always sooo much better :rolleyes: Seriously, can you really take that as fact? It's opinion at best. I'd be more swayed by a table of comparative temperatures and humidity from then to now. If that supported the claims I'd be interested...
Why am I wearing sunglasses when it's the middle of winter, if the sun isn't stronger? Yer gettin' ooooolllld! ;) I truly believe you are just more aware of the damage that can be caused by the sun, so your paranoid self preservation device inside your head is whispering things like "OMG! There's the sun! Can't you feeeeelll it? Cover Up! Cover Up!" and then your body says "Yeah! It is hot, isn't it? Worse than ever before, I reckon."

A comparison could be a cut that you don't feel until you see the blood. Even if it is dried up and you didn't feel it when you did it, it will start to sting as soon as you see it and register "Oh look, I cut myself. And there's BLOOD!

My question is why; as a chick, I don't get off on guys kissing each other, so why do guys like lesbians so much? :D


More efficient use of porn

See, this is what I don't understand about guys...

Why do they like lesbians? Isn't the point of being gay that they are only attracted to other chicks- *Not guys*?!
hehehe :D

:fluffle:
Generally we are not after the lesbians, we are after bisexuals, we see two chicks togeather as a chance for a menage trios.

Guys see one chick as great so naturally we see two as better.

as for watching, men can be very visually stimulated, when there are two chicks there is twice as much to see.

Why am I wearing sunglasses when it's the middle of winter, if the sun isn't stronger?
Fashion?
your losing your mind? :D

[QUOTE=Kryogenerica
You said you live in the ACT?
Well, there ya go. Enjoy :fluffle:[/QUOTE]

No, not the ACT... Victoria :D

Thankyou, I shall :fluffle: