NationStates Jolt Archive


Comments from various faiths in North Carolina on the tsunami tragedy.

Eutrusca
09-01-2005, 21:08
This is an article that appeared today [ Sunday, Jan. 9, 2005 ] in our local newspaper, the News & Record. I thought I would share it here to give you some idea about how different religious faiths view the SE Asia tsunami disaster, and about the variety of faiths in a "red" State. :D

Your comments are humbly solicited. :)

Where Is God In Tragedy?
by Nancy H. McLaughlin

Greensboro - The Rev. Don Miller, pastor of westover Church, tacked a picture on his computer screen as he wrote today's sermon. It shows 20 people fleeing from a wave of unimaginable force.

"It's very obvious that in a matter of seconds every one of these people are going to be swept under and killed by these waves," Miller said.

"I have no easy answers. I think those who believe in God have to recognize that things like this, for instance earthquakes that cause the tsunamis, point out how vulnerable we are. I think you will have quick, simplistic responses - 'God does these things to judge or warn people.' Scripture does show us there are times when God does use natural disasters to wake us up, to get our attention, to judge us. The difficulty is we aren't God, and for us to pronounce that is the case is rather presumptuous."

Answers don't come easy as faith leaders in the Triad contemplate the "whys" of one of the most devastating natural disasters in centuries. The death toll is upward of 150,000 two weeks after an earthquake triggered a tsunami off the coast of southeast Asia.

The tragedy touches so many lives because it cuts across so many faiths. The terrifying tides swept away the Muslim, the Jew, the Hindu, the Buddhist, the Christian. The devastation that corssed more than 2,000 acres has left questions for them all.

"On the one hand, we believe that God is good and that God is all powerful, and how could God allow this to happen? And we can be angry at God," said Tabbi Eli Havivi of Beth David Synagogue.

"On the other hand, another part of us believes that God created nature, But that God isn't in nature - earthquakes and cancer cells and tsunamis and chidren dying sometimes happen as part of nature," Havivi said. "Where is God? Perhaps it is God who inspires us to be reactive in a Godlike way - to lend a hand, to soothe, to provide, to comfort, to rebuild."

The differing views of God's ( or a god's ) omnipotence is vivid in how people of faith see the destruction.

"The owner of the flowers, he has the right to remove them from one place to another, and God, he owns these souls and he has the right to do anything he wants and he wishes and the souls [ lost in the tsunami ] are like the flowers," said Badi Ali, a faith leader at the Islamic Center of the Triad.

"It could be unfortunate in our eyes, but it's because we cannot understand the wisdom of God, Allah, at all times ...," Ali said. "Allah actually reated this life to test us. The test is how we respond, what is our responsibility. It's not sufficient to watch it on TV and do nothing."

Buddhists believe in karma, that what has been done in a previous life comes back on the individual. While the tsunami might not have been the punishment of those who died in it, it is a consequence of wrongdoing.

"Something we do, something we pray for," said Thich Quang Phouc, the Buddhist monk at Quan Am Temple.

Many of those who died were Hindus living in poor fishing communities.

"Many Hindus believe that God only does all these things," said Chander M. Anand of the Hindu Society of NC Triad.

Julie Peeples, the pastor of Congregational United Church of Christ, sees a God whose will was not in the waves.

"Did God will 150,000 to die in an instant, many of them little children? What kind of God would do that?" Peeples asked. "No, do not look for God's will in the destruction; look in the signs of hope and the unbounded ability of so many of God's creatures to care and give beyond what we think we can."

Max Carter, a Quaker and the chaplain at Guilford College, sees God as a loving parent, one who suffers with us.

"After having children of my own, I can relate. I would have loved to be omnipotent and protect them from their own mistakes or the ones that might accidentally come from choices they made," he said.

"But I could not both allow them to have free will and controle them totally at the same time. My wife and I chose the former, allowing them to express their own free will within the context of our guidance and nurture. They didn't always make the right decisions; life didn't always deal kindly with them."

Despite the differing perceptions, people of all faiths have come together to help the victimes in the disaster's aftermath.

"The way I see it is, we must become like one body. When one limb is hurting, the entire body should respond with care and come to the rescue of that part," said Ali, the faith leader at the Triad mosque. "The Prophet said take care of your 40th neighbor ... that means take care of the whole city."
Eutrusca
09-01-2005, 22:06
I don't normally bump my own postings, but I really loved this article and would love it if more of you would read it. :)
Blobites
09-01-2005, 23:26
It's all very well for the many religous people to try and put their God in a position of benevolence or distance from the disaster (and indeed any disaster) but it makes my position even clearer.

I watched an awful program about "miracles" and how a young man attributed his rescue from a rock fall to God (instead of the many medical and rescue staff), I also read about how an old man put it down to a miracle of God that a dolphin saved him after he fall into the sea.

There must have been millions of dolphins swimming in the sea around where the Tsunami hit, where was your gods miracles then?

I'm sorry, but no amount of postulating about God being there to show the survivors how he can send help via the rest of humanity will make religions view on the disaster any more tenable.
*If* there were a God with an ounce of goodness in him there wouldn't have been the many thousands of deaths and the hundreds of thousands of desolate people left with nothing but the clothes on their back.
GoodThoughts
10-01-2005, 00:01
It's all very well for the many religous people to try and put their God in a position of benevolence or distance from the disaster (and indeed any disaster) but it makes my position even clearer.

I watched an awful program about "miracles" and how a young man attributed his rescue from a rock fall to God (instead of the many medical and rescue staff), I also read about how an old man put it down to a miracle of God that a dolphin saved him after he fall into the sea.

There must have been millions of dolphins swimming in the sea around where the Tsunami hit, where was your gods miracles then?

I'm sorry, but no amount of postulating about God being there to show the survivors how he can send help via the rest of humanity will make religions view on the disaster any more tenable.
*If* there were a God with an ounce of goodness in him there wouldn't have been the many thousands of deaths and the hundreds of thousands of desolate people left with nothing but the clothes on their back.

Ok, I'll bite.
This thread was hit pretty hard shortly after the event first happened. It just seems to me if you don't believe in God you can't blame him for not having your sense of what goodness or justice is or isn't. Why aren't you blaming evolution for what happened? Why don't you say there is no goodness in evolution? Because you realise that evolution is a process that follows certain laws. You don't ask evolution to step in and temporarily violate the laws of science.

If you believe in God then you accept that the Creator also created the laws of science. Hopefully you understand there is some wisdom in the events that place. You may not understand the reason, but faith steps in and you accept, with a heavy heart, but you accept. I don't have a answer for everything bad thing that happens, but scientists don't have answers for all of the mysteries of life.

If we can find any silver lining in this terrible tragedy it is that we as a world are being forced to work together, to a least temporarily set aside our differences and recognize that we are one human family, and it is imperative that we forget our religious, political, ethnic differences and work for the common good.
Spoffin
10-01-2005, 00:34
If we can find any silver lining in this terrible tragedy it is that we as a world are being forced to work together, to a least temporarily set aside our differences and recognize that we are one human family, and it is imperative that we forget our religious, political, ethnic differences and work for the common good.
That is a very thin silver lining on an absolutely massive dark cloud. Couldn't these good things happen without a tragedy?
Armed Bookworms
10-01-2005, 01:03
"Whatever happens, they say afterwards, it must have been Fate. People are always a little confused about this, as they are in the case of miracles. When someone is saved from certain death by a strange concatenation of circumstances, they say that's a miracle. But of course if someone is killed by a freak chain of events : the oil just spilled there, the safety fence just broke there : that must also be a miracle. Just because its not nice doesnt mean its not miraculous. "
"Interesting Times" -Terry Pratchett
GoodThoughts
10-01-2005, 01:08
That is a very thin silver lining on an absolutely massive dark cloud. Couldn't these good things happen without a tragedy?

Of course they could. But they haven't. It took two world wars before we would even start the UN. How many more tragedies must we go through before we forget the many differences and live together as family. There will have to be more, many more I am afraid. Already, I read in the paper that in Sri Lanka there as a bombing that killed three people, apparently a disagreement between Christians and Hindus.
GoodThoughts
10-01-2005, 01:14
"Whatever happens, they say afterwards, it must have been Fate. People are always a little confused about this, as they are in the case of miracles. When someone is saved from certain death by a strange concatenation of circumstances, they say that's a miracle. But of course if someone is killed by a freak chain of events : the oil just spilled there, the safety fence just broke there : that must also be a miracle. Just because its not nice doesnt mean its not miraculous. "
"Interesting Times" -Terry Pratchett

There are, of course, just accidents of life. Things happen. The wind blows and a tree falls: is it the laws of science or Divine Intervention? I guess that is in the eye of the beholder.