NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, I do NOT have anything against Democrats, Republicans, or the respective political parties - I just want to see how people will react to my following cynicism (and I wanna see if there are any NSers who are really *that* partisan:

Even though they advocate freedom in one area of your life, Democratic and Republican party principles both want to restrict freedom in the other area (be it social, or economic). So really, they are the same, to one extent or another.

You get republican statists and democrat statists. Both are bad. That's why I'm libertarian capitalist. I want them to leave us alone, whatever side they're on.

You get republican statists and democrat statists. Both are bad. That's why I'm libertarian capitalist. I want them to leave us alone, whatever side they're on.
Yeah, I'm libertarian capitalist too

They're same to the extent that they both want to restrict freedoms somewhere. But then every party is the same to the extent that they were founded and are made up of human beings. Its a pointless exercise unless its leading to something.

Even though they advocate freedom in one area of your life, Democratic and Republican party principles both want to restrict freedom in the other area (be it social, or economic). So really, they are the same, to one extent or another.
Umm...no? Social and economic authoritarianism are completely different. I prefer libertarians to conservatives, but in my view, social oppression is just ridiculous and hurtful, but that there are definite advantages to left-wing economics. Granted, there is a weaker economy and poorer products in socialistic economies, but the goods of society are more evenly distributed. It is just absurd that rich people have multiple masions and swimming pools while people are starving on the streets. Liberals no not, in my experience, want to oppress, they want to even things out.

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I would just to add that I am not being "partisan" here. I resent political parties, and if you didn't notice I used the terms "liberal" and "conservative", not "Democrat" and "Republican". I am being idealistic, not partisan.

Umm...no? Social and economic authoritarianism are completely different. I prefer libertarians to conservatives, but in my view, social oppression is just ridiculous and hurtful, but that there are definite advantages to left-wing economics. Granted, there is a weaker economy and poorer products in socialistic economies, but the goods of society are more evenly distributed. It is just absurd that rich people have multiple masions and swimming pools while people are starving on the streets. Liberals no not, in my experience, want to oppress, they want to even things out.

In practice, evening things out usually involves injustice and restriction of freedom. It is an infringement on the freedom of a citizen to strip them of any of their belongings, regardless of how rich they are.

It is an infringement on the freedom of a citizen to strip them of any of their belongings, regardless of how rich they are.
But what if they never had their belongings in the first place? What if the property belonged to the community? This is just my little version of a wet dream, however...

But what if they never had their belongings in the first place? What if the property belonged to the community? This is just my little version of a wet dream, however...

If they were jointly owned by the community, then they would not be "redistributed" because they would already be free to be used by anyone.

If what you mean is "what if people lived under socialism since the dawn of time", then sorry, but they haven't. In order to redistribute wealth, somebody's going to have to be robbed. Which is wrong.

But what if they never had their belongings in the first place? What if the property belonged to the community? This is just my little version of a wet dream, however...

Communities don't have property rights.

Well if you dont have economic restrictions you tend to get things like sweatshops, offshore bank accounts and huge rich-poor divides. That whole malarky.

If they were jointly owned by the community, then they would not be "redistributed" because they would already be free to be used by anyone.

If what you mean is "what if people lived under socialism since the dawn of time", then sorry, but they haven't. In order to redistribute wealth, somebody's going to have to be robbed. Which is wrong.
You don't have to rob people to re-distribute wealth, you just need to be careful on how the continued payment and costs are worked out until that wealth is re-distributed. (I'm not saying this is my position, just how it could be done).

Ok, I do NOT have anything against Democrats, Republicans, or the respective political parties - I just want to see how people will react to my following cynicism (and I wanna see if there are any NSers who are really *that* partisan:

Even though they advocate freedom in one area of your life, Democratic and Republican party principles both want to restrict freedom in the other area (be it social, or economic). So really, they are the same, to one extent or another.
There are Democrats and Republicans of all flavors and stripes, and the two parties overlap at several points. Taking myself as an example, I don't consider myself either conservative or liberal and have major problems with both at times. As with most things in American politics, it's harzardous to make your generalizations too broad. :)

I don't like either party. Both believe in government and capitalism.