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That's what the the high school my son goes to told us the day before christmas break. I haven't brought it up on the forum before now because I've been preoccupied disputing the charges and following the appeals process. I also retained an education law attorney and filed a formal complaint against two of the school administrators.

I'm pleased to say that at the suspension appeal last friday the panel ruled in our favor. They found no evidence to substantiate the suspension. The suspension must be expunged from his record and the school must assist him in making up any school work missed because of this.

We haven't heard anything official on the expulsion issue but one has to assume that if they can't substantiate the suspension, they're not gonna be able to justify expulsion.

I know a vice principle who's gonna be pissed as hell Monday when my son shows up for school and he finds out there's not a damn thing he can do about it.

Wow they make a big deal about being suspended dont they? When I was suspended, they just did a small investigation about it in school hours on the same day and told me I was suspended.

Do you mind if I inquire as to why he was suspended?

..what do they claim your son did?

Gee, I've never even been on detention. There are... ways of avoiding it. ;)

Gee, I've never even been on detention. There are... ways of avoiding it. ;)
:eek:
ITS A CONSPIRACY!

I've never seen such a fuss over a suspension. My high school had the "parent-principal meeting" should there be a suspension, and that was the end of that.

There may of been a bit of a stir if it were the private Grammar School two towns away, but I went to a public school in the hippy capital of the mountains...all things were quite relaxed.

My parents weren't even involved that much, they just got a letter about it. Shows how much my school cares.

Do you mind if I inquire as to why he was suspended? Five charges: battery on two other students, use of profanity or obscene act, verbal threat to staff member, disruption of school activities or willfull disobedience, written or oral threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily harm.

Serious allegations, you can see why I'm pleased they were proven groundless.

I recall when my mother was a teacher in London, she was always complaining about her school having a hard time doing anything about disruptive students, simply because whenever they tried to take any disciplinary action, the parents would wheel out a slavering gaggle of lawyers.

I've never seen such a fuss over a suspension. My high school had the "parent-principal meeting" should there be a suspension, and that was the end of that.

There may of been a bit of a stir if it were the private Grammar School two towns away, but I went to a public school in the hippy capital of the mountains...all things were quite relaxed.

Ahh... Grammar. I was, however, threatened with expultion if I played against the school 1st XI Hockey team. I played in the men's comp instead.

You know when lawyers get involved in a dispute so pointless, there's something seriously funked up.

EDIT: I just read that list of charges, seems more a thing for the police than the school. And an expulsion rather than suspension.

Of course they weren't true, so no need. :rolleyes:

Five charges: battery on two other students, use of profanity or obscene act, verbal threat to staff member, disruption of school activities or willfull disobedience, written or oral threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily harm.

Serious allegations, you can see why I'm pleased they were proven groundless.
I'm not questioning your parenting abilities or anything, but have you spoken to your son to see what he has to say...

I recall when my mother was a teacher in London, she was always complaining about her school having a hard time doing anything about disruptive students, simply because whenever they tried to take any disciplinary action, the parents would wheel out a slavering gaggle of lawyers.My son is not disruptive. He's a 17 year old High school Junior who will likely continue on to college on a track scholarship. He unfortunately has rubbed a certain administrator the wrong way several times during his high school career and this administrator would like nothing better than to ruin his chances for scholarship.

I'm obviously somewhat biased. But a panel of district employees seemed to agree with me last Friday. As I said, they ruled that none of the charges could be substantiated. Even statements from the alleged victims said nothing happened. Everything was based upon third party reports and heresay.

My son is not disruptive. He's a 17 year old High school Junior who will likely continue on to college on a track scholarship. He unfortunately has rubbed a certain administrator the wrong way several times during his high school career and this administrator would like nothing better than to ruin his chances for scholarship.

Well, yes, they all say that.

Five charges: battery on two other students, use of profanity or obscene act, verbal threat to staff member, disruption of school activities or willfull disobedience, written or oral threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily harm.


Ya, I do that all the time.

Five charges: battery on two other students, use of profanity or obscene act, verbal threat to staff member, disruption of school activities or willfull disobedience, written or oral threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily harm.

Whew...these are some very serious accusations. The school must have had some reason to believe your son did these things or did they just pull his name out of a hat? If he did even one of these things, instead of a lawyer, maybe you should be consulting a counselor? Aside from a VP being upset when he returns to school on Monday, I imagine some parents are going to be VERY upset that their children may be put at risk with his return. Seriously, have you fully investigated these claims and found out exactly what your son did to earn them?

Everything was based upon third party reports and heresay.

Well that's just lovely.

Well, yes, they all say that.

Evil administator conspiracy! :eek:

My son is not disruptive. He's a 17 year old High school Junior who will likely continue on to college on a track scholarship. He unfortunately has rubbed a certain administrator the wrong way several times during his high school career and this administrator would like nothing better than to ruin his chances for scholarship.

I'm obviously somewhat biased. But a panel of district employees seemed to agree with me last Friday. As I said, they ruled that none of the charges could be substantiated. Even statements from the alleged victims said nothing happened. Everything was based upon third party reports and heresay.

Hmmm... I know how he feels. Damn administrators screwing up perfectly good schools. The director of co-curricular at my school had the ghaul (sp?) to yell at my father for 10 min. straight, proclaiming that she was an 'expert in adolescents' and knew what was best for me. (After which I proceeded to inform him that she had no idea about adolescents as she was a very unstimulating physics teacher and didn't have a clue who I was, she was simply annoyed I hadn't seen her, thus eliminating the relevance of her position). Luckily, I'm well liked by other influential members of staff.

I'm not questioning your parenting abilities or anything, but have you spoken to your son to see what he has to say... :rolleyes: Do you honestly believe I would devote three weeks to disputing these allegations if I was not fully informed? I'm not the kind of person who goes into something like an appeal hearing and procedes to make a fool of himself.

Yes, I have spoken to my son, repeatedly and at length. What he had to say was supported by other evidence, including my own experiance with the school administration. I'm not the type who will shield my son from the consequences of his actions if he deserved them. He was treated in a prejudicial and inappropriate manner and falsely accused of a very serious crime. I could not sit by and let this happen.

It confirms if you can't be Nazi, you end up being a school Administrator :p

Whew...these are some very serious accusations. The school must have had some reason to believe your son did these things or did they just pull his name out of a hat? If he did even one of these things, instead of a lawyer, maybe you should be consulting a counselor? Aside from a VP being upset when he returns to school on Monday, I imagine some parents are going to be VERY upset that their children may be put at risk with his return. Seriously, have you fully investigated these claims and found out exactly what your son did to earn them?As I said before, the alleged victims even disputed the charges. A panel comprised solely of district employees heard the case and determined it groundless. If they believed that my son presented even the slightest threat to anyone they wouldn't have returned him to school. They have to cover their own asses, if they returned someone to school and they subsequently committed further violence their liability would be substantial. Obviously they don't believe my son is a risk.

It confirms if you can't be Nazi, you end up being a school Administrator :p

Ouch. I know what you mean... but then, i had an extra curricular with one of the administrators (in my school, of course), and i found hes a good guy. another i foudn the principal the same way (only i didnt have an extra curricular with him). so not all of them are Nazi's

My son is not disruptive. He's a 17 year old High school Junior who will likely continue on to college on a track scholarship.track scholarship?

I hate suspension...
I was suspended many times due to 'concerns about my stability'. They thought I'd hurt somebody or something.
If you knew me in real life, you'd die laughing after that. Not only do I hate fighting, I weigh about 110-120, and have no strength whatsoever. I'd be dead if I ever started a fight.
There were many incidents where somebody kept on reporting that I made suicide threats too, which lead to awkward conversations with the counselor, who was already convinced of my guilt. But she kept asking creepy questions like "How were you going to do it?"

Yeah, that was a pointless rant...

Glad to see your son was let off the hook....

My son is not disruptive. He's a 17 year old High school Junior who will likely continue on to college on a track scholarship. He unfortunately has rubbed a certain administrator the wrong way several times during his high school career and this administrator would like nothing better than to ruin his chances for scholarship.

I'm obviously somewhat biased. But a panel of district employees seemed to agree with me last Friday. As I said, they ruled that none of the charges could be substantiated. Even statements from the alleged victims said nothing happened. Everything was based upon third party reports and heresay.

And the administrator still pushed for the suspension and expulsion????

What exactly is going to happen to the administrator?

Can you get that psycho fired? Your son is going to graduate in a year from now and it sounds like that admin nutjob is going to still be there looking for more victims.

Wow, I'd be terrified if I would have had to go through all that during school. The biggest trouble I got into was I got a detention during middle school because some kid punched me.

I hate suspension...
I was suspended many times due to 'concerns about my stability'. They thought I'd hurt somebody or something.
If you knew me in real life, you'd die laughing after that. Not only do I hate fighting, I weigh about 110-120, and have no strength whatsoever. I'd be dead if I ever started a fight.
There were many incidents where somebody kept on reporting that I made suicide threats too, which lead to awkward conversations with the counselor, who was already convinced of my guilt. But she kept asking creepy questions like "How were you going to do it?"

Yeah, that was a pointless rant...

That sucks, when you get into situations like that there's nothing you can say to prove to people that you aren't what they think, and they refuse to look at any evidence.

That question isn't just creepy, it's a terrible thing for a counselor to ask.

That sucks, when you get into situations like that there's nothing you can say to prove to people that you aren't what they think, and they refuse to look at any evidence.

That question isn't just creepy, it's a terrible thing for a counselor to ask.
Oh well, i'm used to it...
I've only once been in a school system that wasn't corrupted horribly against people they couldn't understand.

I'm only glad I never cut my wrists. I'd have been expelled on the spot if they ever got physical evidence.

It's funny why they held me out though. It was only *obvious* I wasn't stable, that's why I met with my psychiatrist so often. But I wasn't dangerous or anything...

gee isnt it great to see school teachers have no protection what so ever.

Oh well, i'm used to it...
I've only once been in a school system that wasn't corrupted horribly against people they couldn't understand.

I'm only glad I never cut my wrists. I'd have been expelled on the spot if they ever got physical evidence.

It's funny why they held me out though. It was only *obvious* I wasn't stable, that's why I met with my psychiatrist so often. But I wasn't dangerous or anything...

Yeah, my counselor was an idiot and gave me no end of trouble when I wanted to sign up for some classes because she thought I was incapable of doing work, or something, so I ended up having to go to other counselors to get my schedule changed after I got my approved one from my first counselor, it was a pain in the ass.

gee isnt it great to see school teachers have no protection what so ever.
...American School teachers

...American School teachers
its not too much better here in Australia

its not too much better here in Australia
(down there) Do Big teens regularly get away with taxing weaker kids?

Yeah, my counselor was an idiot and gave me no end of trouble when I wanted to sign up for some classes because she thought I was incapable of doing work, or something, so I ended up having to go to other counselors to get my schedule changed after I got my approved one from my first counselor, it was a pain in the ass.
I got kicked out of all my non-essential classes, and one of my essential ones after I was not allowed into the school for three weeks because of the fact that I had missed too many classes. Then they tried to force me into a special education class, and when I refused almost managed to reduce my status to that of a part-time student, which would have meant I'd still be there now.

On top of that, it was 'common knowledge' that I was on amphetamines since I displayed all the behaviours of someone high on amphetamines on some days. Tweaking and such. So I got the routine search thing.

They banned me from network access and refused that they had, and would not explain it to me.

I'm used to injustice though, I've been surrounded by it since I became conscious.

I guess my coping mechanism is to get hopelessly depressed and lock myself in my bedroom for three days and cry, and only come out to get more tissues to soak up the blood before it starts running from my arm onto the bedsheets.
It's been a lot better since I'm out and on my own, but I'm completely dependant on my father for survival at the moment.

I can't, for some odd reason, qualify to get government support, and can't quite seem to get an explanation. So it seems I'll have to grapple all my problems on my own, and hope I come out alive.

Five charges: battery on two other students, use of profanity or obscene act, verbal threat to staff member, disruption of school activities or willfull disobedience, written or oral threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily harm.

Serious allegations, you can see why I'm pleased they were proven groundless.


Sounds like he got into a fight at school. Ah don't you just love zero tolerance America.

Sounds like he got into a fight at school. Ah don't you just love zero tolerance America.
The wonders of modern policy...

(down there) Do Big teens regularly get away with taxing weaker kids?
Generally its the rich kids get away with what ever they want, bigger kids do untill yr 10 or 11 when they just leave. (legal leaving age) Teachers are generally afraid of the bigger kids aswell as the parents of the rich kids.

I can't, for some odd reason, qualify to get government support, and can't quite seem to get an explanation. So it seems I'll have to grapple all my problems on my own, and hope I come out alive.
Good luck

I got kicked out of all my non-essential classes, and one of my essential ones after I was not allowed into the school for three weeks because of the fact that I had missed too many classes. Then they tried to force me into a special education class, and when I refused almost managed to reduce my status to that of a part-time student, which would have meant I'd still be there now.

On top of that, it was 'common knowledge' that I was on amphetamines since I displayed all the behaviours of someone high on amphetamines on some days. Tweaking and such. So I got the routine search thing.

They banned me from network access and refused that they had, and would not explain it to me.

I'm used to injustice though, I've been surrounded by it since I became conscious.

I guess my coping mechanism is to get hopelessly depressed and lock myself in my bedroom for three days and cry, and only come out to get more tissues to soak up the blood before it starts running from my arm onto the bedsheets.
It's been a lot better since I'm out and on my own, but I'm completely dependant on my father for survival at the moment.

I can't, for some odd reason, qualify to get government support, and can't quite seem to get an explanation. So it seems I'll have to grapple all my problems on my own, and hope I come out alive.

Well, I knew I'd lived a pretty sheltered straightforward life, but you have a way of putting it into perspective. Anyway, good luck wiht all that, hope you do alright.

.. bigger kids do untill yr 10 or 11 when they just leave (legal leaving age)huh?

Generally its the rich kids get away with what ever they want.You have to be be rich...If you are to use Lawyers for a school suspension.

huh?
sorry, too make it more simple

bigger kids tax both smaller/younger kids and the teachers, untill they reach the legal school leaving age, when they just stop turning up.

You have to be be rich...If you are to use Lawyers for a school suspension.
Thats the point, and it doesnt take much to destroy a teachers name, the teacher soon finds themselves unemployable.

I got kicked out of all my non-essential classes, and one of my essential ones after I was not allowed into the school for three weeks because of the fact that I had missed too many classes. Then they tried to force me into a special education class, and when I refused almost managed to reduce my status to that of a part-time student, which would have meant I'd still be there now.

On top of that, it was 'common knowledge' that I was on amphetamines since I displayed all the behaviours of someone high on amphetamines on some days. Tweaking and such. So I got the routine search thing.

They banned me from network access and refused that they had, and would not explain it to me.

I'm used to injustice though, I've been surrounded by it since I became conscious.

I guess my coping mechanism is to get hopelessly depressed and lock myself in my bedroom for three days and cry, and only come out to get more tissues to soak up the blood before it starts running from my arm onto the bedsheets.
It's been a lot better since I'm out and on my own, but I'm completely dependant on my father for survival at the moment.

I can't, for some odd reason, qualify to get government support, and can't quite seem to get an explanation. So it seems I'll have to grapple all my problems on my own, and hope I come out alive.


Oh screw public Education anyway, it's just a warehouse for teenagers to keep them off the streets while decent hard working people are away from their houses.

Get a GED and start Community College. After a year of CC, (they all suck) transfer to a State University. With a year of CC you'll do above average on the SAT so you should also qualify for private college if you got the cash. The thing is you have to keep moving forward. When you look for a job they only care where you graduated from college anyway.

Maybe you think about joining the Goth community too, depression is a positive fashion advantage and black never goes out of style. :D

In my experience with school admin, they are all pretty much asses. During my Middle School, one student assaulted me with a lacrosse stick, when I had no helmet. Heck, we weren't even out on the field. I had to get four stiches in the back of my head.
Said student's parents were extremely rich, and donated tons of money a year to the school. It was common knowledge (As he bragged about it all the time) That his parents threatened to stop donating money if he was punished in the slightest. So he got off, and I actually got in trouble for fighting. When I had been laying half unconscious in the grass.

Just another example for this thread.

EDIT: Oh, I did get an apology letter from the headmaster when I graduated, so I guess they arent all that bad.

... it doesnt take much to destroy a teachers name, the teacher soon finds themselves unemployable.Thats so easy...all you need to do is say 2 words..."sexual harrasement" ...and Bingo.

Maybe you think about joining the Goth community too, depression is a positive fashion advantage and black never goes out of style. :D

Always has worked for me...

Thats so easy...all you need to do is say 2 words..."sexual harrasement" ...and Bingo.
exactly, do you think the kids dont know this aswell? hence the kids have the power and both the kids and teachers know it

Oh screw public Education anyway, it's just a warehouse for teenagers to keep them off the streets while decent hard working people are away from their houses.

Too bad it didn't work for any of the kids at mine...
They were all busy toking up after and before school, and none of the teachers seemed to know/care.

Get a GED and start Community College. After a year of CC, (they all suck) transfer to a State University. With a year of CC you'll do above average on the SAT so you should also qualify for private college if you got the cash. The thing is you have to keep moving forward. When you look for a job they only care where you graduated from college anyway.

I could take the SAT right now and ace it. The problem right now is I need a high-school diploma, and I need a sleep cycles on a standard diurnal rhythm to get that, and something to control my ADHD.

Maybe you think about joining the Goth community too, depression is a positive fashion advantage and black never goes out of style. :D
Well, everybody I know calls me a Goth. I don't know, I just like black and frilly things and makup and such, but I guess I look the part.
:D
The lipstick is probably what triggers them, it is.

What does the school say happened anyway? What really happened?

I was suspended for 5 days and almost expelled once. Of course, I did it. Guilty as charged. What infuriated my mother is that the sort of actions I was involved in occurred all the time at my school and punishments had always been lax. Until someone finds it inconvenient to be lax and decided to choose a particular person(me) to let the hammer drop on. The school backed down and all I got was the 5 day suspension. Not counting what my mother did to me. :(

What did I do? I ducttaped a freshman to a toilet.

... During my Middle School, one student assaulted me... I had to get four stiches in the back of my head.
Said student's parents were extremely rich,...So he got off, and I actually got in trouble for fighting. When I had been laying half unconscious in the grass.
Why didnt your Dad hire Lawyers?

I bet his Dad would have hired Johnnie Cochra...if some vice-principal even got the balls to suspend him.

They were all busy toking up after and before school, and none of the teachers seemed to know/care.

I think before and after school, kids are the parents responsibility.

Damn school's changed since my day.

My dad's had his share of arguments with school administrator types. He's been down to Upper Marlboro (my home county's seat of government) a few times battling the higher-ups over there. Luckily for me I was never suspended from school.

But if your son didn't do any of the stuff that they say he did, I'm glad the school board voted in your favor. Seems to me something needs to be done about the school system over there.

What does the school say happened anyway? What really happened?

I was suspended for 5 days and almost expelled once. Of course, I did it. Guilty as charged. What infuriated my mother is that the sort of actions I was involved in occurred all the time at my school and punishments had always been lax. Until someone finds it inconvenient to be lax and decided to choose a particular person(me) to let the hammer drop on. The school backed down and all I got was the 5 day suspension. Not counting what my mother did to me. :(

What did I do? I ducttaped a freshman to a toilet.

Funny, but frankly mate you deserve what you get :)

That's what the the high school my son goes to told us the day before christmas break. I haven't brought it up on the forum before now because I've been preoccupied disputing the charges and following the appeals process. I also retained an education law attorney and filed a formal complaint against two of the school administrators.

I'm pleased to say that at the suspension appeal last friday the panel ruled in our favor. They found no evidence to substantiate the suspension. The suspension must be expunged from his record and the school must assist him in making up any school work missed because of this.

We haven't heard anything official on the expulsion issue but one has to assume that if they can't substantiate the suspension, they're not gonna be able to justify expulsion.

I know a vice principle who's gonna be pissed as hell Monday when my son shows up for school and he finds out there's not a damn thing he can do about it.

Good victory. I myself was suspended a semester from college but it wasn't bogus charges. It was a witch hunt though to cast blame for their own failures (i.e. me and others being the scapegoats) but I came back and have been kicking their butts since. Two semesters since then on Dean's List and I don't do a damn thing for them (I used to be one of the main webmasters for the multitude of clubs out there at my school). Sort of a victory for myself, through defeat. Their once great newspaper site that was updated bi-weekly hasn't been touched since Jan '03 and even better, more people read the paper online than in print. Oh well, that's what they get!

My dad's had his share of arguments with school administrator types. He's been down to Upper Marlboro (my home county's seat of government) a few times battling the higher-ups over there. .Alone...without any Lawyers?

Dude we are talking about school suspension...very serious stuff...Mortage the house and get some Lawyers for heavens sake!

Funny, but frankly mate you deserve what you get :)

So did he. In fact, I saved him from a worse fate. Long story, but he was a loudmouthed twerp who was annoying the wrong crowd. Some of my buddies were going to pole rack him. I basically talked them out of it, saying, "I've got a better idea". I've been pole racked. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

So, for his own safety, I strapped him down. :D

I think before and after school kids are the parents responsibility.
Oh right.

I was suspended for 5 days and almost expelled once. Of course, I did it. Guilty as charged. What infuriated my mother is that the sort of actions I was involved in occurred all the time at my school and punishments had always been lax. Until someone finds it inconvenient to be lax and decided to choose a particular person(me) to let the hammer drop on. The school backed down and all I got was the 5 day suspension. :(

What did I do? I ducttaped a freshman to a toilet.WTF..you got suspended!!! thats horrible!!!

...why didnt your mom sell it all...and get you a Lawyer

Alone...without any Lawyers?

Dude we are talking about school suspension...very serious stuff...Mortage the house and get some Lawyers for heavens sake!
:D

So did he. In fact, I saved him from a worse fate. Long story, but he was a loudmouthed twerp who was annoying the wrong crowd. Some of my buddies were going to pole rack him. I basically talked them out of it, saying, "I've got a better idea". I've been pole racked. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

So, for his own safety, I strapped him down. :D
lol, did you use that as an excuse, detained on toilet for own protection and humanitarian reasons.

WTF..you got suspended!!! thats horrible!!!

...why didnt your mom sell it all...and get you a Lawyer

*sniff* I smell sarcasm. ;)

Oh right.
do I detect sarcasm?

So did he. In fact, I saved him from a worse fate. Long story, but he was a loudmouthed twerp who was annoying the wrong crowd. Some of my buddies were going to pole rack him. I basically talked them out of it, saying, "I've got a better idea". I've been pole racked. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

So, for his own safety, I strapped him down. :D
What in the nine Hells is pole-racking?
It sounds particularly unpleasant.

*sniff* I smell sarcasm. ;)
*snap*

do I detect sarcasm?
I hope not, I didn't put any there.
No, I seriously forgot what I was talking about during that post.

lol, did you use that as an excuse, detained on toilet for own protection and humanitarian reasons.

The sequence of events was this: The twerp let what happened slip to his parents. I don't think he meant to. He couldn't help it. He didn't know when to shut up. That's what got him in trouble in the first place. It turns out the kid's mother was just as much of a loudmouth. She complained to the school. Now the school had a pissed parent threatening to get a lawyer to quell. So they were going to scapegoat me.

Well, in comes my mother. Who goes ripshit at the school. But oddly enough, she and this kid's mother have a very civilized series of conversations about it. That's probably when the whole story came out. The two of them are still very good friends.

Last I saw of the son, he was still a loudmouth.

do I detect sarcasm?I hope not, I didn't put any there.maybe my posts are stinking all over the place :D

I hope not, I didn't put any there.
No, I seriously forgot what I was talking about during that post.
:) looks like my detector is picking something up from another tread or something, stupid thing

What in the nine Hells is pole-racking?
It sounds particularly unpleasant.

Basically, it's when several kids pick up another and proceed to ram him(usually with a running start) spread-legged into a flagpole or other pole-like structure groin-first. TYpically this is repeated until convultions make them drop the victim.

maybe my posts are stinking all over the place :D
:) your overwhelming sarcasm has broke my detector, damn you

Basically, it's when several kids pick up another and proceed to ram him(usually with a running start) spread-legged into a flagpole or other pole-like structure groin-first. TYpically this is repeated until convultions make them drop the victim.
*shudders*

Basically, it's when several kids pick up another and proceed to ram him(usually with a running start) spread-legged into a flagpole or other pole-like structure groin-first. TYpically this is repeated until convultions make them drop the victim.
Holy fuck.
I'm going to have nighmare for weeks.

Basically, it's when several kids pick up another and proceed to ram him(usually with a running start) spread-legged into a flagpole or other pole-like structure groin-first. TYpically this is repeated until convultions make them drop the victim.
WOW...thats like killing all his kids and Grand kids...

Holy fuck.
I'm going to have nighmare for weeks.

So, how many student suspensions(or worse) did I prevent by intervening? I deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. :cool:

WOW...thats like killing all his kids and Grand kids...

Perhaps literally. I know of at least one person(thankfully at another school) who lost a testicle to such treatment.

So, how many student suspensions(or worse) did I prevent by intervening? I deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. :cool:
I don't have one of those...

Here, have a cookie though.

I don't have one of those...

Here, have a cookie though.

It'll do. :) *takes the cookie*

... he was a loudmouthed twerp who was annoying the wrong crowd. Some of my buddies were going to pole rack him...IMO, your buddies are criminal.

Perhaps literally. I know of at least one person(thankfully at another school) who lost a testicle to such treatment.
I wish I knew where was your school...so if I ever have kids...I never ever send them there.
And I would stay away from that city...or even that state.

I wish I knew what was your school...so if I ever have kids...I never ever send them there.

That was almost twenty years ago. It's not the same school anymore.

It's become as whitewashed and sterile as all the other schools in the country. Schools don't produce barbarians anymore. They produce ticking bombs instead. :(

IMO, your buddies are criminal.

There a high likelihood that if that sort of behavior occurred today, it would be criminal.

Five charges: battery on two other students, use of profanity or obscene act, verbal threat to staff member, disruption of school activities or willfull disobedience, written or oral threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily harm.

Serious allegations, you can see why I'm pleased they were proven groundless.

Except for the last one, it doesn't sound like much of a big deal. Here, a fight results in suspension, but nothing more. Verbal threat to a staff member could probably get a suspension. Disruption of school activities/willful disobedience probably will probably not even get a suspension, depending on what it is specifically.

... it doesn't sound like much of a big deal. Here, a fight results in suspension, but nothing more. Verbal threat to a staff member could probably get a suspension.Thats exactly what he got "a suspension",

he appealed with a Lawyer, and Won, as a result "The suspension must be expunged from his record and the school must assist him in making up any school work missed"

and...the colateral:

"I know a vice principle who's gonna be pissed as hell Monday when my son shows up for school and he finds out there's not a damn thing he can do about it."

Thats exactly what he got "a suspension",

he appealed with a Lawyer, and Won, as a result "The suspension must be expunged from his record and the school must assist him in making up any school work missed"

and...the colateral:

"I know a vice principle who's gonna be pissed as hell Monday when my son shows up for school and he finds out there's not a damn thing he can do about it."

Yes, but the difference is, no one would even talk about an expulsion, which was the difference I was highlighting. Pay attention

Yes, but the difference is, no one would even talk about an expulsion, which was the difference I was highlighting. Pay attentionThe school never said they were going do the expulsion, he father jumped to the barricades and warred legal war...for the suspension.

why dont you pay attention.

Schools don't produce barbarians anymore. They produce ticking bombs instead. :(
*raises hand*

*raises hand*

I rest my case. I can hear you ticking from here. :p

Scary what is school becoming nowadays.

Jeez, I'm away for a couple of hours and you guys jump to all kinds of conclusions.

I'm far from rich, the attorney was retained to fight the pending expulsion which could have ruined my son's chance for college. The $2000 retainer hurt, but I had to think of the big picture and my son's future. I fought the suspension without the attorneys help.

No my son really wasn't in a fight at school. He was accosted on a stairwell by a student who refused to let him pass, he pushed past him. Neither my son or this student considered this worthy of reporting to the office. He was also accused of assaulting a former girlfriend by her friends who saw red marks on her neck and went to the office assuming they were the result of a confrontation between this girl and my son. They never asked this girl, she was embarassed by the whole thing and surprised by the allegations as much as my son. She has maintained from the beginning that my son never touched her. When my son was brought to the office he was repeatedly asked if he knew why he was there, after answering several times that he did not, it was suggested he guess. His guess was the incident in the stairwell, the school wasn't investigating that matter but used his guess as an admission of guilt. He was never asked his side of the story and all staff assumed he was guilty of assaulting his former girlfriend, whom he has not dated for over 5 months. He was treated in a prejudicial manner by a staff member who has a history of persecuting my son dating over the last two years. He was taunted and mocked in his request to have his parents contacted. When he became angry and attempted to use the phone in the office without permission he was 'subdued' and cuffed and placed in a school police car. The threat charge comes from an aside he made to a security officer who also happens to be his track coach for the last 2 1/2 years. An expression of anger and frustration made to a personal freind in the presence of another security guard but not the staff member who was the topic was twisted into being a threat.

OK I've revealed more of this incident than I had planned but the misconceptions about my son and my actions defending him should be cleared up. I will repeat that an impartial panel of district employees agreed that the suspension was without merit. The schools Principle and Vice Principle are being investigated by the districts legal department.

I am a staunch supporter of public education and don't plan on seeking civil action against the school. I do however welcome disiplinary action against the staff involved.

No my son really wasn't in a fight at school. He was accosted on a stairwell by a student who refused to let him pass, he pushed past him. Neither my son or this student considered this worthy of reporting to the office.

This I wouldnt usually care about if it was in a hallway, since its in a stairwell it is quite dangerous and should be dealt with, what would you do if you son was injured after being pushed and then falling down a flight of stairs?

He was also accused of assaulting a former girlfriend by her friends who saw red marks on her neck and went to the office assuming they were the result of a confrontation between this girl and my son.
A similar sort of thing happened to me, I was accused of holding a knife to throat of my girl friend of the time, when the teachers were informed they laughed because it was utter ludicrus and everyone knew it. (An unhappy ex boy friend of hers started the rumour) I bring this up to ask has your son have a history at all of being were trouble always is, as some teachers (wrongfully) will assume these things if the student is with the wrong crowd. I bring this up because the rumours against me were made by people known for gang like behaviour and I had never needed to be disiplined.



He was taunted and mocked in his request to have his parents contacted. When he became angry and attempted to use the phone in the office without permission he was 'subdued' and cuffed and placed in a school police car.

This is Wrong in a twisted way, from where im from involving the parents is usually a threat from the teachers.


The threat charge comes from an aside he made to a security officer who also happens to be his track coach for the last 2 1/2 years. An expression of anger and frustration made to a personal freind in the presence of another security guard but not the staff member who was the topic was twisted into being a threat.

Security people will always treat threats very seriously, its their job. If you put your body on the line everyday I think you would too.


So in closing maybe the Administration was alittle harsh but they did what they have to, to keep some sort of control. In my old high school your son probably would have got a detention or two excluding the threats because if he only got the detention, he probably wouldnt have made the threat, including the threat he would have been suspended.

Jesus, sounds like his school is fucked up.

When he became angry and attempted to use the phone in the office without permission he was 'subdued' and cuffed and placed in a school police car. The threat charge comes from an aside he made to a security officer who also happens to be his track coach for the last 2 1/2 years. An expression of anger and frustration made to a personal freind in the presence of another security guard but not the staff member who was the topic was twisted into being a threat.

handcuffs, school police car, at least two security guards?? Is this a school?

handcuffs, school police car, at least two security guards?? Is this a school?
Though when you have the violence that sometimes goes on in highschool ... really probably nessisary

Well, i am from WA in Australia, and the schooling system must be quite different. If you get suspended or expelled, you generally grit your teeth and bare it. I dont know what that dude was talking about when he spoke of people taxing people and teachers. It generally doesnt happen. Occasionally it might, but they have quite a few people who learn them some lessons. As for me, i have been close to suspensions because some teachers hated me, but i was good mates with the principal and he just said that they could go and screw themselves. It works wonders when you know their boss.
Either way, i am by no measures of a small build, but i dont tax people, nor do i know of any happening at my old school or at others.

Five charges: battery on two other students, use of profanity or obscene act, verbal threat to staff member, disruption of school activities or willfull disobedience, written or oral threat to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily harm.



i'd have the little fucker put down.

hmm sounds like illinois. schools run by a secret organization of prejudicial bastards.

i'd have the little fucker put down.
Because people accused him of something? Sheesh harsh… I am all for punishment where deserved but right now we are for 1 not getting unbiased info and 2 don’t have enough info in general to make a decision on what the kid did or did not do

When my son was brought to the office he was repeatedly asked if he knew why he was there, after answering several times that he did not, it was suggested he guess. His guess was the incident in the stairwell, the school wasn't investigating that matter but used his guess as an admission of guilt.

Sounds like a witch trial...

Seriously, if you are in that situation, you should never guess. You're allowed to remain silent for a reason, and this is it - they have to tell you what they accuse you of before you speculate on what it is and make any "confessions".

Of course, I say this now. I'm not a very self-confident person, so I probably couldn't have pulled that.

Because people accused him of something? Sheesh harsh… I am all for punishment where deserved but right now we are for 1 not getting unbiased info and 2 don’t have enough info in general to make a decision on what the kid did or did not do


yeah i know i was teasing. abortion sandwiches for all

How can people like that run schools?
It makes me angry when people like that try to make it harder for a student to finnish the school and go on to higher education.
How can they be in a position like that?
If you ask me those people and people like that in other school are so angry to see surten students going on to bigger and better things, it just remindes them that they faild (or did not have the will to aim higher in life) and they just want to take every one down.

Parents really must listen to the kids and hear what they say, not just listen to the administrators and take their word for it (whatever it is).
Parents tend to do that I think, listen to the administrators that is, just because of their positions at the schools. They do not take the word of their own kids on thees matters and that is why schools need staff with a strong and MORAL character.

i'd have the little fucker put down.He can be a handfull, but I have to consider his lineage. Although I have 4 daughters, he's the only boy. No spare, so we keep him. ;)

He can be a handfull, but I have to consider his lineage. Although I have 4 daughters, he's the only boy. No spare, so we keep him. ;)

Ducttape helps. :)

Ducttape helps. :)
Do do packing penuts (for keeping wanted things safe)

Or a giant anti static bag!

Or a giant anti static bag!

hehe .. just had the greatest image of someone walking around doing things in everyday life but in a giant anti static bag ..

*giggles*

hehe .. just had the greatest image of someone walking around doing things in everyday life but in a giant anti static bag ..

*giggles*

Imagine someone wearing a styrofoam shell like televisions come packed in. :)

Imagine someone wearing a styrofoam shell like televisions come packed in. :)
Or the plastic see through ones that everything comes in ... (the ones that are a pain in the ass to get in)

That or bubble wrap *step* POP *step* POP

... we are for 1 not getting unbiased info ..exactamente

I know a vice principle who's gonna be pissed as hell Monday when my son shows up for school and he finds out there's not a damn thing he can do about it.
Gotta love the irony

... in his request to have his parents contacted. When he became angry and attempted to use the phone in the office without permission he was 'subdued' and cuffed and placed in a school police car.interesting, when I was in detention (very rare), the last person I wanted to talk was my Dad.
If It was serious enough , They would call him.

There a high likelihood that if that sort of behavior occurred today, it would be criminal.
Aggravated assault, and conspiracy to commit the same. Severe traumatic injury to male genitals can sometimes be fatal, so manslaughter is another possibility.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

I have to wonder, TLP, if you're regreting posting this at all.

I have to wonder, TLP, if you're regreting posting this at all.As usual OE, you nailed it.

Only 'regret' seems somehow insufficient to express it.

As usual OE, you nailed it.

Only 'regret' seems somehow insufficient to express it.

I think the word "rue" is both handly, and wonderful.