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I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

I'm very tired, I hope some people can understand what I'm trying to say.

btw, any flames, trolls, or rule violations will be reported to the proper places.

btw, any flames, trolls, or rule violations will be reported to the proper places.

I don't doubt that.

As for the other parts, countries are only formed so that the people of a region can best look out for themselves. The power of collective selfishness is what drives a strong country.

By that logic the United States would only get stronger if people only looked out for themselves and stopped using traffic signals...

By that logic the United States would only get stronger if people only looked out for themselves and stopped using traffic signals...

People use traffic signals because they don't want to be hit by cross traffic.

If one person doesn't use them, the whole system goes to hell.

Patriotism is trash. If a global economy is what the NWO wants, then I say let them have it.

If one person doesn't use them, the whole system goes to hell.

No, that one person dies a painful death and may bring one or two with them. The system keeps on going.

If one person doesn't use them, the whole system goes to hell.
Really?

You think the police never pull someone over for jumping a light?

Patriotism is trash. If a global economy is what the NWO wants, then I say let them have it.


You don't understand the NWO.

google it.

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. [/url]

Why should we look out for our country? Why are other countrymen more deserving the people making the same product (quality aside) in other countries?

[quote]They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants,

Americans, only buy things made in your state. To buy anything else is what the Federal Government want.

and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

Well, I'm not too hot on economics, so I won't touch this.

You don't understand the NWO.

google it.
Ooh, conspiracy theories.

I actually know what the NWO is meant to be, I'm assuming what google will hand back

Well, we're going to end up with a global economy sooner or later anyway, as well as a world government; at some point, humanity will eventually unite, assuming we haven't destroyed ourselves.

Does the NWO actually exist? If so, how far does it penetrate. If possable, prove it.

Does the NWO actually exist?

Well, that depends if you believe all the stuff about "hidden in plain view" etc etc.

If so, how far does it penetrate.

It is everywhere. Do you have a cat? They are secret agents of the NWO

If possable, prove it.

Well, there's a building that looks like an owl in Austin, TX. And the owl is a symbol of theirs

Well, that depends if you believe all the stuff about "hidden in plain view" etc etc.



It is everywhere. Do you have a cat? They are secret agents of the NWO



Well, there's a building that looks like an owl in Austin, TX. And the owl is a symbol of theirs

No, I don't.
My cat's not an agent, he's too stupid.
Hmmm... an owl you say... curious.

You don't understand the NWO.

google it.
I'm sorry, I'm not getting anything consistent from a Google search. What am I looking for? What is "NWO"?

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

I'm sorry, I'm not getting anything consistent from a Google search. What am I looking for? What is "NWO"?

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
New World Order.

New World Order.

Mmmm... The illuminati...

I'm sorry, I'm not getting anything consistent from a Google search. What am I looking for? What is "NWO"?

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

The NWO is a secret organization bent on world domination.

http://pro-wrestling.idv.tw/pulolesu/history/wwfwcw/nwo.jpg

Heh... Just wondering, can anyone here honestly say that every single product they've ever bought was made right here in the good old US? I doubt I could do that if I tried, but then, I wouldn't. That's just a question to you, Kahta. Also, I'm curious, are you from the "Anyone who doesn't support the current government is a terrorist!" camp?

Oh, and Sdaeriji, that brings back memories from a few years ago. I was a dumb little kid.

The NWO is a secret organization bent on world domination.

http://pro-wrestling.idv.tw/pulolesu/history/wwfwcw/nwo.jpg

The Illuminati indeed.

First off, the "New World Order" nonsense is moronocy, wait, I shouldn't offend morons like that. Globaliztion is not a conspiracy but a natural extension of capitalism. As for the attack upon my "selfish" buyiing of imports... what are you talking about?? I thought Mercantilism was dead but maybe you have revived it. Products are products, I could care less where they came from; imports are not inherintly bad, nor are exports inherintly good. Commerce is good in all forms! Also, have you ever learned any economics in your life, I happen have a degree in economics and I challenge anyone to come up with any reason that a trade deficit is a problem (in the long run). The US has had huge trade deficits for decades and their economy has thoroughly thrived. Finally, your "selfishness" comment further shows your ignorance to economics. Globalization brings me cheaper products therefore I like it for selfish reasons, but in the long run it helps everyone. Rich, poor, first world nations, third world nations, consumers and producers are all benefited by globalization. I can go into a detailed explanation of why all these people if it is desired but I have ranted for too long in this post already.

I'm sorry, I'm not getting anything consistent from a Google search. What am I looking for? What is "NWO"?

--The Democratic States of Cogitation


http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

The NWO is a secret organization bent on world domination.

http://pro-wrestling.idv.tw/pulolesu/history/wwfwcw/nwo.jpg

I have asked you before to stay out of my threads very nicely. Please do not return or I will contact moderation.

I have asked you before to stay out of my threads very nicely. Please do not return or I will contact moderation.

Go ahead and contact them.

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

You are correct that a trade deficit is really not a good thing for our domestic economy.

However, there are better ways to correct it than blindly refusing to buy foreign goods. This kind of mentality is not good for anyone... especially since rampant U.S. buying goes such a long way to prop up the global consumer economy.

You really don't want to see what happens in a global depression.

I have asked you before to stay out of my threads very nicely. Please do not return or I will contact moderation.
Well come on. You did bring up the NWO. You should have used a different name for them, preferably one that isn't also an amateur dramatics club at any rate.

Heh... Just wondering, can anyone here honestly say that every single product they've ever bought was made right here in the good old US? I doubt I could do that if I tried, but then, I wouldn't. That's just a question to you, Kahta. Also, I'm curious, are you from the "Anyone who doesn't support the current government is a terrorist!" camp?



If I could buy everything in the US, I would, but the globalists are making that very tough.

And I'm not in that camp. I'm anti-NWO.

Mmmm... The illuminati...
Mmmm... Angels and Demons...

First off, the "New World Order" nonsense is moronocy, wait, I shouldn't offend morons like that. Globaliztion is not a conspiracy but a natural extension of capitalism.

I thought it had come about through trading and intergroup contact long before anyone had even thought of the word Capital in its original latin meaning of head, let alone operating on a system based on a corruption of this meaning. But then I may be wrong, I often am.

As for the attack upon my "selfish" buyiing of imports... what are you talking about?? I thought Mercantilism was dead but maybe you have revived it. Products are products, I could care less where they came from; imports are not inherintly bad, nor are exports inherintly good. Commerce is good in all forms!

Depends on your point and scale of view. If you are looking at the worldwide economic system then export and import are simply concepts that do not apply. If, on the other hand, you are looking at the economy of a nation, then these concepts are critical. Some imports reduce the demand for internally produced product. Obviously importing Devon clotted cream into the Oman will not affect the demand for home produced Devon clotted cream as this simply does not exist. However importing chinese computers into the USA will affect the demand for American (Dell etc.) computers. This means less jobs, ergo less consumer spending, ergo less demand and so in in a viscious circle.
Exports, on the other hand tend to be good for your nation. More money coming in, weallthier people, more spending, but watch out for inflation huh.

Also, have you ever learned any economics in your life, I happen have a degree in economics and I challenge anyone to come up with any reason that a trade deficit is a problem (in the long run). The US has had huge trade deficits for decades and their economy has thoroughly thrived.

By what standards are you measuring your economy? Consumer demand, GDP, Growth, Bankruptcy Rates, Dow Jones??? Sorry but the economy of the USA is held together at the moment by blind faith and the fact that the dollar is a reserve currency. As a nation you borrow more each year than you earn. The bubble grows and grows. Beware a loud POP.

Finally, your "selfishness" comment further shows your ignorance to economics. Globalization brings me cheaper products therefore I like it for selfish reasons, but in the long run it helps everyone. Rich, poor, first world nations, third world nations, consumers and producers are all benefited by globalization. I can go into a detailed explanation of why all these people if it is desired but I have ranted for too long in this post already.

Only rich nations are currently really benefitted by globalisation as it occurs at the moment. There are too many trade barriers and remnants of mercantilism there for the poor nations to get a look in. This will change as the balance of economic power swings away from the G7 to those markets which still have room to pursue that illusiory holy grail of the economists, growth.

Well like I said in the last thread on this issue, there really isn't a lot of choice. You cannot even buy a pair of jeans made in the US anymore. You can buy a "GE" toaster, but it was made in China. Our manufacturing sector has been off shoring for the past quarter of a century.

You can buy an American House, car, and food, You can even furnish it with American made furniture, but every other thing is going to come from overseas. That’s just the way things are now, If you walk into most stores, your going to be buying imported goods.

I’m curios, for you people that say you must buy American, what stores do you shop in?

Personally, I buy American made goods whenever possible. Here are my reasons:

1) Many goods are made in sweatshops overseas. This is why I buy New Balance instead of Nike. Places without labor laws can always undersell places with them. Not only is this unfair to American workers, but it is exploitative to the foreign workers.

2) No matter how you slice it, not everyone is college material. Further, not everyone can even work a trade. But most anyone can run a press or slide or lathe machine. Maybe even a Bridgeport. Or a sewing machine. Whatever.
Simply put, buying American keeps more of my own countrymen and countrywomen employed.

3) All of the money I make is American. It seems better to spend it here and "share the wealth".

4) People chose to use my services rather than offshore (I work in IT). ANY job can be outsouced... No really. Any job.

5) I really, really hate Communism. My parents are both Eastern European immigrants, and I've been to their nations multiple times both before and after the fall of Communism. The difference is staggering.
Needless to say, if I can't buy American, I will buy from most any nation other than China, Vietnam or Laos first. North Korea would be on the shitlist too, if they actually made anything. As for Cuba, I avoid their cigars and rum, as I've never seen anything else from them make it into the US.

So next time you're in Wal Mart and see that $1.49 painbrush made in China, seriously consider if it'll break you to pass on a beer an buy a $3.00 American one. The job you save could be your own.

You ask the impossible, my map is part of myself and I cannot escape it.

Well like I said in the last thread on this issue, there really isn't a lot of choice. You cannot even buy a pair of jeans made in the US anymore. You can buy a "GE" toaster, but it was made in China. Our manufacturing sector has been off shoring for the past quarter of a century.

You can buy an American House, car, and food, You can even furnish it with American made furniture, but every other thing is going to come from overseas. That’s just the way things are now, If you walk into most stores, your going to be buying imported goods.

I’m curios, for you people that say you must buy American, what stores do you shop in?

Sadly, you're right about most of the manufacturing.

It's not which stores so much as watching the "made in" tabs. Even WalMart has American made stuff.

You can, BTW, buy American made jeans. http://www.carhartt.com/ (click on bottoms). Some stores carry Carhartt; depends on your area.

The sad thing is that whilst we in the west are apalled by the poor salaries and conditions under which some foreign laborers must work, if no one buys the products they make then they will lose those jobs and earn nothing. Is unemployment preferable to a sweatshop job? And do we really want to take the responsibility for determining that for other people?

I no longer live in America so buying American things is extraordinarily difficult - I do tend to buy US fruit, if I can, because my naive mind figures that there might be stricter pesticide laws. But other than that...well, I don't think living abroad because my soulmate happened to be English makes me any less of an American.

And for the record, I don't believe in any NWO or Illuminati. As far as I can tell the world runs on money, period. Money is power, and it doesn't much matter or care who you are or where you come from or what you know. The rich tend to stay rich and the powerful tend to stay powerful; and the poor tend to stay poor; but that doesn't necessitate any secret societies, it's just basic sociology and economics.

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country.

So? Who cares? You aren't the only one in the world, and if I want to buy a car from Japan, because I think they're more economical than American cars, so be it. It doesn't affect you, or anyone else, for that matter. If I want to buy French wine, because it tastes better than American wine. Oh, well? If I want to buy clothes made in a sweatshop in Indonesia, because children's tiny fingers make better thread counts than Americans. I have to live with that on my conscience, not you.

You can't categorize everyone as being selfish for deviating from what [b]you[b] think is the way the world should be; that, in my eyes, is just as "selfish" as the people you claim to be selfish for buying imported [insert your product here].

They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up.

Provide me real, solid thirdparty evidence that the NWO exists, and then, I will speculate further into their "agenda" in the real world. Otherwise, respectfully, I don't give a damn what conspiracy theories you have to offer. I'm perfectly capable of exploring them on my own and coming to a solid conclusion as to what I believe and what I don't believe.

Personally, the "NWO" is an excuse for people use to blame all the problems of Capitalist society and/or world instead of getting out and actively doing something about their elected officials, etc. in their given countries.

I'm very tired, I hope some people can understand what I'm trying to say.

I don't understand what you're saying, because it doesn't make sense for you to magically be able to judge everyone around you because they don't believe in what you believe. I don't understand that type of ignorance.

It is everywhere. Do you have a cat? They are secret agents of the NWO

OMG! I have two cats! And they keep trying to sneak into my bedroom wardrobe in the middle of the night! ahhhhhh! *runs away*

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

I'm very tired, I hope some people can understand what I'm trying to say.

btw, any flames, trolls, or rule violations will be reported to the proper places.

Why would buying something that gives a living wage to a Chinese person be more selfish than buying something that gives a living wage to a British person? I fail to see how the Chinese person is less important.

Do not make this about selfishness vs charity. It's about small minded nationalism. You have a particularly nationalistic streak and dislike the idea of those different from yourself profiting. That's nice. Don't expect others to share your worldview, however.

Last a brief introduction to globalization. Let's say you buy a Chinese car. By your logic this harms the US because it takes money from US citizens and gives it to Chinese citizens. My question is, what does the Chinese citizen spend his money on?

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

Using a source which sells orgone generators is hardly the most mainstream and reliable of sources is it?

"When you cut a piece of wire to a specific length known as the "cubit" length, that wire will resonate or act as a transformer to special cosmic energies and draw that energy into the wire."

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

Does the above really strike you as the informed statements of a mind that is skilled in shifting the wheat from the chaff and producing an understanding of the world which actually maps onto reality?

Using a source which sells orgone generators is hardly the most mainstream and reliable of sources is it?

"When you cut a piece of wire to a specific length known as the "cubit" length, that wire will resonate or act as a transformer to special cosmic energies and draw that energy into the wire."

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

Does the above really strike you as the informed statements of a mind that is skilled in shifting the wheat from the chaff and producing an understanding of the world which actually maps onto reality?

No, but if it works it could be fun. ;)

No, but if it works it could be fun. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I think Reich and his ideas of orgone accumulators, cloudbusters, UFOs and 'DEADLY ORGONE RADIATION!!!!!!!!!!!SHIFT11111" are fascinating, but the fact that none of it has ever been shown to work somewhat argues against the credibility of those that continue to take it seriously, no?

Don't get me wrong, I think Reich and his ideas of orgone accumulators, cloudbusters, UFOs and 'DEADLY ORGONE RADIATION!!!!!!!!!!!SHIFT11111" are fascinating, but the fact that none of it has ever been shown to work somewhat argues against the credibility of those that continue to take it seriously, no?

OK. But life should not always be taken seriously. That way leads to madness

OK. But life should not always be taken seriously. That way leads to madness

Indeed, but there is a big difference between not taking life seriously, and using a reference to David Icke (he who believes the British royal family are actually, literally, reptile-human hybrids) to back up your claims concerning the existence of the NWO, wouldn't you agree?

You don't understand the NWO.

google it.


I thought it had something to do with Wrestling.... :confused:

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

I'm very tired, I hope some people can understand what I'm trying to say.

btw, any flames, trolls, or rule violations will be reported to the proper places.
buying imported products is selfish? so it is not selfish to buy locally produced goods in the interest of one's own country?
what about buying fair trade goods instead - in the interest of world equity and fairness? to be unselfish and buy from those in the world who really need our support.

So? Who cares? You aren't the only one in the world, and if I want to buy a car from Japan, because I think they're more economical than American cars, so be it. It doesn't affect you, or anyone else, for that matter. If I want to buy French wine, because it tastes better than American wine. Oh, well? If I want to buy clothes made in a sweatshop in Indonesia, because children's tiny fingers make better thread counts than Americans. I have to live with that on my conscience, not you.



The choice will effect you, when laid off workers stop buying services or products that you produce. The choices you make always come back to yourself. They effect everyone.


You can't categorize everyone as being selfish for deviating from what [b]you[b] think is the way the world should be; that, in my eyes, is just as "selfish" as the people you claim to be selfish for buying imported [insert your product here].

I've already done so, and done it rightly so. You and other people may think otherwise, but thats only because NWO indoctrination has led you to think only of yourself. There are those which are not selfish, but a great majority of people in the United States are, because they do whats best for themselves. A good example would be cars broken down on the side of roads or highways. When I see someone broken down in a car of , I call the state police, to let them know there is a distressed motorist. Most americans would simply not do so, because "Its not my problem. Doesn't bother me"



Provide me real, solid thirdparty evidence that the NWO exists, and then, I will speculate further into their "agenda" in the real world. Otherwise, respectfully, I don't give a damn what conspiracy theories you have to offer. I'm perfectly capable of exploring them on my own and coming to a solid conclusion as to what I believe and what I don't believe.

www.infowars.com
www.prisonplanet.com
www.prisonplanet.tv
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/

Things are leaked, and they are not made mainstream news stories, such as Donald Rumsfeld's admitting that the plane was shot down over pennsylvania. 95% of the media in this country is controlled by 7 companies.

Why would buying something that gives a living wage to a Chinese person be more selfish than buying something that gives a living wage to a British person? I fail to see how the Chinese person is less important.

Do not make this about selfishness vs charity. It's about small minded nationalism. You have a particularly nationalistic streak and dislike the idea of those different from yourself profiting. That's nice. Don't expect others to share your worldview, however.

Last a brief introduction to globalization. Let's say you buy a Chinese car. By your logic this harms the US because it takes money from US citizens and gives it to Chinese citizens. My question is, what does the Chinese citizen spend his money on?


Living wages do not exist in Asia. And people conviently seem to forget that China and Vietnam are still Communist holdouts. I try to avoid buying products from countries that didn't have to face their crimes against Americans. The congs never had to and neither did the nips.

I am trying to spread my views through every medium possible, and unlike most people on the hard left here, my non-globalist views are working.

The Chinese citizen will spend it on rice, and nothing else, because unlike an american autoworker, he makes just enough money after working for 80 hours a week, he only has enough time to eat and sleep. Chinese cannot afford to buy American products because they cannot afford them.

Using a source which sells orgone generators is hardly the most mainstream and reliable of sources is it?

"When you cut a piece of wire to a specific length known as the "cubit" length, that wire will resonate or act as a transformer to special cosmic energies and draw that energy into the wire."

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

Does the above really strike you as the informed statements of a mind that is skilled in shifting the wheat from the chaff and producing an understanding of the world which actually maps onto reality?

What about using mainstream media which thinks Laci Peterson is more important than Iraq?

Indeed, but there is a big difference between not taking life seriously, and using a reference to David Icke (he who believes the British royal family are actually, literally, reptile-human hybrids) to back up your claims concerning the existence of the NWO, wouldn't you agree?

And don't forget his 'eye witness' to George Bush [sr] changing into a snake and back again.

I try to avoid buying products from countries that didn't have to face their crimes against Americans. The congs never had to and neither did the nips.

Two nukes were dropped on them and the US occupied the country. I think the 'nips' have faced their 'crime'

I am trying to spread my views through every medium possible,

What about the happy one?

Indeed, but there is a big difference between not taking life seriously, and using a reference to David Icke (he who believes the British royal family are actually, literally, reptile-human hybrids) to back up your claims concerning the existence of the NWO, wouldn't you agree?

Yes, I'd agree. (sorry about the delay, had to go back to life for a while) :rolleyes:

Living wages do not exist in Asia.

Japan certainly has minimum wage laws.

Two nukes were dropped on them and the US occupied the country. I think the 'nips' have faced their 'crime'



What about the happy one?


I don't think that Japan has. I was home sick today, and I watched WWII stuff on the History Channel. It had eyewitness accounts of Japanese brutality. I will try to quote one veteran: "They were surrounded, at the tip of the island, and they wouldn't surrender. My platoon had formed a line, and all of a sudden I heard someone shout "Banzai Charge" and I looked and dozens of nips were coming towards the line.... at one point in the middle of the firefight I had to move the piles of jap bodies out of the way because they were blocking my field of fire..."

I don't think that Japan has. I was home sick today, and I watched WWII stuff on the History Channel. It had eyewitness accounts of Japanese brutality. I will try to quote one veteran: "They were surrounded, at the tip of the island, and they wouldn't surrender. My platoon had formed a line, and all of a sudden I heard someone shout "Banzai Charge" and I looked and dozens of nips were coming towards the line.... at one point in the middle of the firefight I had to move the piles of jap bodies out of the way because they were blocking my field of fire..."
Yes, damn those nips, two nukes and occupying there country still hasn't made up for the banzai charge that killed Johnny.

I could have saved him if it wasn't for those pesky carcasses

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.
I understand, but the government should be responsible. It should put uup tariffs on imported goods, so that it becomes financially beneficial to buy domestic products. It should put limits on outsourcing. The people should not be blamed for this, they do exactly what they should do--purchase what is best for themselves for the best cost.

The Chinese citizen will spend it on rice, and nothing else, because unlike an american autoworker, he makes just enough money after working for 80 hours a week, he only has enough time to eat and sleep. Chinese cannot afford to buy American products because they cannot afford them.From what you're saying, it sounds as though the Chinese citizen is more in need of my money than the American. Where can I sign up to this groovy NWO thing?

I don't think that Japan has. I was home sick today, and I watched WWII stuff on the History Channel. It had eyewitness accounts of Japanese brutality. I will try to quote one veteran: "They were surrounded, at the tip of the island, and they wouldn't surrender. My platoon had formed a line, and all of a sudden I heard someone shout "Banzai Charge" and I looked and dozens of nips were coming towards the line.... at one point in the middle of the firefight I had to move the piles of jap bodies out of the way because they were blocking my field of fire..."

Are you claiming that this is a war crime? Why?


I try to avoid buying products from countries that didn't have to face their crimes against Americans. The congs never had to and neither did the nips.

As far as the Japanese being called on their actual war crimes: following WWII roughly 6000 of them were convicted of war crimes and over 900 of them were executed. Why claim that it never happened?

Yes, damn those nips, two nukes and occupying there country still hasn't made up for the banzai charge that killed Johnny.

I could have saved him if it wasn't for those pesky carcasses

Since when has using a bayonet or a long sword on someone that is shooting at you been a war crime?

I understand, but the government should be responsible. It should put uup tariffs on imported goods, so that it becomes financially beneficial to buy domestic products. It should put limits on outsourcing. The people should not be blamed for this, they do exactly what they should do--purchase what is best for themselves for the best cost.

And then the countries from which these goods come from put up tariffs on American goods, or refuse to supply the goods that the USA wants but can not produce for itself (raw materials / food / other optional products) and we have an all out trade war under way.

This is more or less what is actually happening with products such as steel, cotton, orange juice?? etc.

Since when has using a bayonet or a long sword on someone that is shooting at you been a war crime?
Since 20 minutes ago apparently.

I don't think that Japan has. I was home sick today, and I watched WWII stuff on the History Channel. It had eyewitness accounts of Japanese brutality. I will try to quote one veteran: "They were surrounded, at the tip of the island, and they wouldn't surrender. My platoon had formed a line, and all of a sudden I heard someone shout "Banzai Charge" and I looked and dozens of nips were coming towards the line.... at one point in the middle of the firefight I had to move the piles of jap bodies out of the way because they were blocking my field of fire..."
What most Occidentals just can not seem to understand is that the Japanese have a completely different culture than we do. It has become westernised to an extent, but it is so radically different than we're incapable understanding it. We talk about how poorly the Japanese treated PoW's, but we don't seem to grasp that surrender was the worst form of humiliation in Japanese eyes. They were sub-human. When American soldiers were captured, they demanded to be reported to the international humanitarian organisations. Japanese prisoners begged to not be reported at all--they couls not return to their country in their disgrace. It was better to be dead than captured. And this is no place to be criticising Japanese culture, it is ijust different. It seems monstrous to us, but it is just different.

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

I'm very tired, I hope some people can understand what I'm trying to say.

btw, any flames, trolls, or rule violations will be reported to the proper places.
Free trade lowers consumer costs. This increases the American standard of living. Plus, government should not be able to tax people in order to keep a few favored industries alive. While I discourage outsourcing, it does bring some benefit to the economy.

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/


"The "War on Drugs" is a cruel joke. The US government, specifically the CIA, is the biggest 'drug lord' on the planet. Drug money is used to pay for innumerable 'black projects', including the construction of huge underground cities housing both humans and aliens working with the secret US government. "

The alien part threw me for a loop there. Does the writer mean actual beings from another planet? lol

Rest of it makes sense pretty much, I learned of the New World Order years ago.

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.
Why should people have to buy doestic goods? Self-interest is what capitalism is all about, isn't it? What is the NWO?

If you're worried about the trade deficit I suggest you get onto Bush and your governmentabout it rather than the consumers.

Why should people have to buy doestic goods? Self-interest is what capitalism is all about, isn't it? What is the NWO?

NWO=New World Order

The NWO is a secret organization bent on world domination.

http://pro-wrestling.idv.tw/pulolesu/history/wwfwcw/nwo.jpg
^^^
I'm sorry to admit that when I heard "NWO", I thought of that.

Are you claiming that this is a war crime? Why?




As far as the Japanese being called on their actual war crimes: following WWII roughly 6000 of them were convicted of war crimes and over 900 of them were executed. Why claim that it never happened?

No, the war crimes I was refering to took place wherever they went. Officers were allowed to have a "sex slave" from Korea if they wished.

900 is hardly a number compared to the millions of chinese killed under Japanese occupation. What the japs did makes the holocaust pale in comparison.

"The "War on Drugs" is a cruel joke. The US government, specifically the CIA, is the biggest 'drug lord' on the planet. Drug money is used to pay for innumerable 'black projects', including the construction of huge underground cities housing both humans and aliens working with the secret US government. "

The alien part threw me for a loop there. Does the writer mean actual beings from another planet? lol

Rest of it makes sense pretty much, I learned of the New World Order years ago.


Yeah, that was the only part that I didn't like about the article.

Free trade lowers consumer costs. This increases the American standard of living. Plus, government should not be able to tax people in order to keep a few favored industries alive. While I discourage outsourcing, it does bring some benefit to the economy.

You buy into the whole corporate-consumerist police state, where more is always better. You're very materialistic, I can tell.

I fail to understand how someone that used to make $150,000 a year in computer programming being replaced with someone that makes $5,000 a year doing the same thing in India does not make a difference. Most of the jobs in india, with the exception of a few tech support jobs, were high paying American jobs.

From what you're saying, it sounds as though the Chinese citizen is more in need of my money than the American. Where can I sign up to this groovy NWO thing?


No, because the Chinese citizen is in a communist country, where the government is supposed to provide jobs. You buying a product he makes, does no one any good. It screws the American and fucks the chinese.

I understand, but the government should be responsible. It should put uup tariffs on imported goods, so that it becomes financially beneficial to buy domestic products. It should put limits on outsourcing. The people should not be blamed for this, they do exactly what they should do--purchase what is best for themselves for the best cost.

Yeah, well the government, conservative or liberal, democrat or republican is bad at doing things for the people, but good at doing things for their coporate buddies. Thats why we have globalism.

Why should people have to buy doestic goods? Self-interest is what capitalism is all about, isn't it? What is the NWO?

If you're worried about the trade deficit I suggest you get onto Bush and your governmentabout it rather than the consumers.


Bush and his cronies don't give a shit about the "commoners". Thats why I have to tell people. Contrary to what he says, Bush wants to have a trade deficit and budget deficit because it will mean the dollars are pouring out of the richest country in the world and into the coffers of other countries, thus making a globalist society.

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.
While I'm not a fan of the US NWO. Imported goods do not equal trade deficit going up. It depends also on the amount of goods you export. Cause if everyone would only buy imports that would mean theres no export at all anymore. The economy would crumble and fade.

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

I'm very tired, I hope some people can understand what I'm trying to say.

btw, any flames, trolls, or rule violations will be reported to the proper places.


I am from canada which has a HUGE trade surplus! Keep buying that northern oil for your fatty habits + SUVs it makes ME money!!

You buy into the whole corporate-consumerist police state, where more is always better. You're very materialistic, I can tell.

I fail to understand how someone that used to make $150,000 a year in computer programming being replaced with someone that makes $5,000 a year doing the same thing in India does not make a difference. Most of the jobs in india, with the exception of a few tech support jobs, were high paying American jobs.

i think this trend will begin to stop as companies realize that outsourcing is not the huge cost saving method people think it is...

No, the war crimes I was refering to took place wherever they went. Officers were allowed to have a "sex slave" from Korea if they wished.

900 is hardly a number compared to the millions of chinese killed under Japanese occupation. What the japs did makes the holocaust pale in comparison.

So are you claiming that the Japanese people should now be punished because of the failure by the allies to prosecute all those responsible sixty years ago?

I've noticed a lot of selfishness on these boards in the last few weeks, in particular people who look out only for themselves rather for their country. They like to buy imported products simply because its "better for them", however a globalized market is what the NWO wants, and it is not better, because when you buy an imported product it results in the trade deficit going up. That is NOT a good thing, contrary to what some people have said.

I'm very tired, I hope some people can understand what I'm trying to say.

btw, any flames, trolls, or rule violations will be reported to the proper places.
isnt it a fascist notion that people exist for the good of the government rather than that the government exists for the good of the people?

why do i need to subjugate myself to the "good" of my country?

So are you claiming that the Japanese people should now be punished because of the failure by the allies to prosecute all those responsible sixty years ago?


Better late than never.

isnt it a fascist notion that people exist for the good of the government rather than that the government exists for the good of the people?

why do i need to subjugate myself to the "good" of my country?


I'm not saying it like that. I'm saying that the government exists for the good of the people, who should do whats best for the people, which is the government.

Better late than never.

I'll take that as a yes: the Japanese born post-1945 should be punished because of their enemy's failure. Explain the logic of that one to me, would you?

I'll take that as a yes: the Japanese born post-1945 should be punished because of their enemy's failure. Explain the logic of that one to me, would you?

Why are whites repaying blacks for slavery?

Why are whites repaying blacks for slavery?

You tell me. I'm not.

You tell me. I'm not.

No, you explain it to me.

Simple, because it's meant to be an act of penance which is meant to be symbolic, but ends up being pointless.

No, you explain it to me.

Because people can be irrational. My family came to the US in the 1940s. I always fail to understand what reparations I owe to descendents of slaves in America.

No, you explain it to me.

It is honestly an issue I know little about - my country is not paying reparations for slavery to the best of my knowledge.

Turning back to the matter at hand: do you support paying reparations for slavery? It would appear that you do as you are using it as an example of something which makes sense and can thus be used as a parallel to your desire for those not responsible for war crimes to be punished. Should we ignore the fact that one (reparations) is an attempt to create a level social playing field, and the other (punishing the innocent) is what seems to be a desire for revenge on somebody, no matter who they are?

Living wages do not exist in Asia.

Do zip up dear, your ignorance is showing.

And people conviently seem to forget that China and Vietnam are still Communist holdouts.

If you think either country has anything to do with Communism anymore you need to update your stereotypes by about 20 years.

I try to avoid buying products from countries that didn't have to face their crimes against Americans. The congs never had to and neither did the nips.

What a truly selfless attitude, I feel humbled sir. How could I ever have thought it mere nationalist prejudices?

I am trying to spread my views through every medium possible, and unlike most people on the hard left here, my non-globalist views are working.

Really? Because I thought we'd got, like, y'know, richer in the past 20 years while globalisation has increased. But then of course your ideas have produced the convincing counter example of... mildly annoying a few people on an internet game forum.

The Chinese citizen will spend it on rice, and nothing else, because unlike an american autoworker, he makes just enough money after working for 80 hours a week, he only has enough time to eat and sleep. Chinese cannot afford to buy American products because they cannot afford them.

Really, dear, you must fix that zipper.

On what do you base this absurd hyperbole?

Because people can be irrational. My family came to the US in the 1940s. I always fail to understand what reparations I owe to descendents of slaves in America.

My family got here in 1970. I'm still waiting for reparations from Hungary and Austria...

Why are whites repaying blacks for slavery?

Whites wouldn't be repaying blacks for slavery. If there were reperations they would be from the US government not simply white people.

Although there may be blacks out there that technically could be owned back-wages by employers pre-Civil War

Kahta, i think i should stop buying products from the US altogether. After all, they have comitted horrible war crimes bombing the civil population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, imprisoning americans of japanese descent during WWII, raping women in Korea, poisoning future generations of vietnamese civilians by using Agent Orange, massacred the people of My Lai... If you open your eyes and be honest, this list is in no way complete.
And they are just stupid yanks, who cant make a living wage. Or how do you explain the high number of people who have to work two or even more jobs. I think i am going to take on buying products from Iceland. Ok, i am not living there, but at least i feel good moral-wise. :rolleyes:

Because people can be irrational. My family came to the US in the 1940s. I always fail to understand what reparations I owe to descendents of slaves in America.

My family came here pre-revolution on my mom's side, and pre-civil war on my dads side.

Although there may be blacks out there that technically could be owned back-wages by employers pre-Civil War


Yup, plenty of 150+ Year old blacks out there...

Yup, plenty of 150+ Year old blacks out there...

Second generation, we do still pass down inheritance. I am not saying I am advocating reparations, as they are impractical. However, there are a lot of wages that were never paid that are probably the rightfully obligated to the decendants of slaves.

Whites wouldn't be repaying blacks for slavery. If there were reperations they would be from the US government not simply white people.




And where does the US government get money? Does money fall from the sky? No, tax payers pay money, and whites pay the largest chunk of the taxes.

There was a proposal out there, a 1.00 dollar tax on gasoline, applicable only to whites, which would be used to fund the "15 trillion dollar reparation fund" that the NAACP and Jesse Jackson think that all blacks deserve.

I do wonder how blacks that immigrated into the USA after the Civil War even have a claim to reparations, their "claims" are even more bogus than blacks descended from slaves.



You know something, in AD 476 the Roman Empire fell, when is Germany going to cut me a check?

Whites wouldn't be repaying blacks for slavery. If there were reperations they would be from the US government not simply white people.

Although there may be blacks out there that technically could be owned back-wages by employers pre-Civil War

Then I guess the Brits should be repaying me, because they took over my country 400 years ago. (Scotland)

Second generation, we do still pass down inheritance. I am not saying I am advocating reparations, as they are impractical. However, there are a lot of wages that were never paid that are probably the rightfully obligated to the decendants of slaves.



Second Generation? Try Fourth Generation...


Why has Japan never given reparations to the still LIVING Allied POWs who were forced to endure unspeakable conditions to help the Japanese economy and industry, or just tortured for being a "white devil".

Second generation, we do still pass down inheritance. I am not saying I am advocating reparations, as they are impractical. However, there are a lot of wages that were never paid that are probably the rightfully obligated to the decendants of slaves.

Biologically speaking, slavery did good, because it killed off the people that needed higher amounts of water and were more prone to infection and disease.

Unless work is passed through genes, then there is no need for reparations.

And where does the US government get money? Does money fall from the sky? No, tax payers pay money, and whites pay the largest chunk of the taxes.

There was a proposal out there, a 1.00 dollar tax on gasoline, applicable only to whites, which would be used to fund the "15 trillion dollar reparation fund" that the NAACP and Jesse Jackson think that all blacks deserve.

I do wonder how blacks that immigrated into the USA after the Civil War even have a claim to reparations, their "claims" are even more bogus than blacks descended from slaves.



You know something, in AD 476 the Roman Empire fell, when is Germany going to cut me a check?

Excellent argument. :rolleyes:

First off, like I said, I don't advocate reparations. Secondly, saying that because one person or group of people committed a wrong does not absolve the other group.

Biologically speaking, slavery did good, because it killed off the people that needed higher amounts of water and were more prone to infection and disease.

Yes, thank God for slavery, natural selection at work. :rolleyes:

Unless work is passed through genes, then there is no need for reparations.

Money from work is passed down through inheritance, though.

Excellent argument. :rolleyes:


My family suffered incalculable damage as the result of the American and British campaign of aggression against Italy, when do I get my reparations?


My family in Italy suffered damage from the Communists and the Americans, having it so bad some of them had to go to Argentina, when do we get our money?


My relatives in Argentina suffered as a result of the British campaign of aggression in 1982 against the Malvina Islands, where is the reparations?

Then I guess the Brits should be repaying me, because they took over my country 400 years ago. (Scotland)

No they didn't. King James I of England was King James VI of Scotland prior to 1603. Thus if anything 400 years ago the centre of power shifted so that Scottish blood took over England and Wales. Actual official union of Scotland and England to create Great Britain didn't happen till 1707, 300 years ago.

Unless work is passed through genes, then there is no need for reparations.

Thus, unless guilt is passed through genes there is no need to punish the Japanese people as a whole for any war crimes that may have occured in WWII.

My family suffered incalculable damage as the result of the American and British campaign of aggression against Italy, when do I get my reparations?

Logical fallacy

My family in Italy suffered damage from the Communists and the Americans, having it so bad some of them had to go to Argentina, when do we get our money?

Logical fallacy

My relatives in Argentina suffered as a result of the British campaign of aggression in 1982 against the Malvina Islands, where is the reparations?

Logical fallacy

All of these arguments help the fact that people suffer residual effects from past crimes and that those responsible for the crime are not absolved with the passing of time.

Biologically speaking, slavery did good, because it killed off the people that needed higher amounts of water and were more prone to infection and disease.

But only part of the population was enslaved.

Since you are such a selfless being should the US enslave the whites in America for a few generations? (obviously it cannot be done all at the same time, but in steps, bit like how congress is elected).

And after the whites, we can enslave other minorities who weren't given the chance to better themselves biologically the first time around.



Why has Japan never given reparations to the still LIVING Allied POWs who were forced to endure unspeakable conditions to help the Japanese economy and industry, or just tortured for being a "white devil".

Irelevant. The Majority of Japanese alive now weren't then.

Unless you can prove that the work those soldiers did [i]is[/] passed down through genes.

Thus, unless guilt is passed through genes there is no need to punish the Japanese people as a whole for any war crimes that may have occured in WWII.



Okay, well I know there are still some Japanese alive who committed atrocities during WW2.


I don't know of anybody alive in the USA who owned slaves or fought in the Civil War... Wait... Nope, they're all dead.

No they didn't. King James I of England was King James VI of Scotland prior to 1603. Thus if anything 400 years ago the centre of power shifted so that Scottish blood took over England and Wales. Actual official union of Scotland and England to create Great Britain didn't happen till 1707, 300 years ago.

Not to mention the paradox of Britain taking over Scotland.

Irelevant. The Majority of Japanese alive now weren't then.

Unless you can prove that the work those soldiers did [i]is[/] passed down through genes.



And how many slave owners from the South are alive today? A grand total of zero. Unless of course there are some really old Southerners.

Why has Japan never given reparations to the still LIVING Allied POWs who were forced to endure unspeakable conditions to help the Japanese economy and industry, or just tortured for being a "white devil".

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't Japan make a token compensation of £76 to allied POWs in the 1950s?

token

I'll take your word that they did, and respond as though they indeed did (I'm not sure)


Keyword, token, aka, a joke.


How about we give each black, a quarter? Provided they can prove their ancestors were slaves?

And how many slave owners from the South are alive today? A grand total of zero. Unless of course there are some really old Southerners.
When did I advocate reparations for blacks?

I'll take your word that they did, and respond as though they indeed did (I'm not sure)


Keyword, token, aka, a joke.


How about we give each black, a quarter? Provided they can prove their ancestors were slaves?



Wait, no, scratch that. I can verify Japan never gave a penny... They never apologized, gave money, nothing.

Okay, well I know there are still some Japanese alive who committed atrocities during WW2.

Quite possibly there are, but it seems ludicrous to punish the whole of the Japanese people for their crimes: after all the Allies did carry out war crime trials post war and some Japanese were brought to a kind of justice. To spread the punishment over an entire nation because of an Allied failure seems laughable to me.

A parallel here: my grandfather on my mother's side was a civilian internee following the fall of Malaya, and was in Changi and then worked on the Burma railroad. He did actually survive the war, but his health was ruined for the rest of his life. Would it be just if I, a thirty-something year old, took retribution on a thirty-something year old Japanese of Korean person for what happened to my grandfather?

Wait, no, scratch that. I can verify Japan never gave a penny... They never apologized, gave money, nothing.
Go on. Prove a negative.

Wait, no, scratch that. I can verify Japan never gave a penny... They never apologized, gave money, nothing.

http://www.abcifer.com/uk-japanesepow/Nov2000/

Do a search for "76" and you will find a section that describes this.


...some kind of apology:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1533436.stm

Go on. Prove a negative.


History Channel had a documentary about this involving Japanese war crimes and that they never made reparations payments.

Japanese President Murayama's 1995 Apology:

"During a certain period in the not too distant past, Japan, following a mistaken national policy, advanced along the road to war, only to ensnare the Japanese people in a fateful crisis, and, through its colonial rule and aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many countries, particularly to those of Asian nations. In the hope that no such mistake be made in the future, I regard, in a spirit of humility, these irrefutable facts of history, and express here once again my feelings of deep remorse and state my heartfelt apology. Allow me also to express my feelings of profound mourning for all victims, both at home and abroad, of that history."

http://www.gainfo.org/SFPT/JapanPmMurayamaStatement15Aug1995.htm

History Channel had a documentary about this involving Japanese war crimes and that they never made reparations payments.

They have a different government than they did then. The American government was responsible for slavery, the Japanese government was responsible for those war crimes.

I also think we took a big chunk out of our reparations when we firebombed Tokyo and dropped the atomic bombs. They have paid enough.

The question as regards reparations towards POWs of the Japanese has first to identify exactly what it is that the reparations are for: they are certainly not for just being held as POWs - that is an accepted part of war, and if Allied servicemen are to receive reparations just for being POWs then the US had better be ready to stump up reparations for those it takes as POWs in recent and future wars.

If the reparations are to cover the ill-treatment suffered at the hands of the Japanese, then that is problematic, as certainly poor conditions and brutality were endemic in the Japanes camps, but these affected not only the prisoners but also the guards themselves. In some locations the Korean and Japanese soldiers guarding the POWs and civilian internees suffered as high a rate of fatalities brought on by disease.

A blanket figure of reparations payable to all POWs of the Japanese to make up for their ill treatment is always going to be a token gesture, not only is it obviously impossible to undo the past, but it is also impossible to assess the relative hardships that were suffered in different camps.

My family suffered incalculable damage as the result of the American and British campaign of aggression against Italy, when do I get my reparations?


Well, it was after all Italy that declared war on the USA, not the other way round, so unless they suffered damage as a result of actions beyond the laws of war then they really have no case.



My relatives in Argentina suffered as a result of the British campaign of aggression in 1982 against the Malvina Islands, where is the reparations?

Calling it a 'campaign of aggression' is hardly fitting. Whether the Malvinas/Falklands should be possessions of Argentinia or the UK isn't at issue here, but seeing as how they had been occupied by the British (either rightly or wrongly) since at least 1833 you would have to show that your Argentinian relative suffered a hardship at that point... and it appears they were most likely still resident in Italy at that point.

I really hate this whiney victim culture we seem to have gotten sucked into.

Kahta, you're just as "indoctrined" as you suggest I am. Unfortunately, I doubt you'll realize that, because you much farther gone than me. All the links you provided, yeah, they're biased, too. Again, you won't see that, and you say I'm indoctrined. :rolleyes:

I also think we took a big chunk out of our reparations when we firebombed Tokyo and dropped the atomic bombs. They have paid enough.
you clearly don't understand the fundamental concept of war and war reperations
but the us decided it was nicer to have 'em not pay, and so they didn't

you clearly don't understand the fundamental concept of war and war reperations
but the us decided it was nicer to have 'em not pay, and so they didn't

Traditionally war reparations have not been paid to individuals of a nation touched by a war, but rather to the government of the victorious nation. The discussion here is dealing with individuals and so is a case which doesn't follow previous precedents. This is all aside from the fact that war reparartions have pretty much always been punitive - they are a mechanism to punish a nation after it has lost a war, not to actually repair damage incurred on the victor. A victorious country does not assess the cost of rearmament and repair, instead it looks to how much a defeated country can afford. They are basically just a form of token pillage carried out by diplomatic means.

Aside from that: if we look more closely at the reasons why the US might have shied away from reparations and instead invested in rebuilding Japan we see that the old spectre of communism probably loomed quite large in the decision making process - should they carry out some rebuilding and guide Japan into the arms of the capitalist west as some kind of trading partner and military base, or should they strip it of its remaining wealth and so possibly drive it into the arms of the communists?

Kahta, you're just as "indoctrined" as you suggest I am. Unfortunately, I doubt you'll realize that, because you much farther gone than me. All the links you provided, yeah, they're biased, too. Again, you won't see that, and you say I'm indoctrined. :rolleyes:

No, I'm not.

Then I guess the Brits should be repaying me, because they took over my country 400 years ago. (Scotland)

Please just stick to making the people of your country of birth look stupid, don't drag your illusory country of origin down with you. I think the country that invented capitalism would be deeply ashamed to have someone with such a weak grasp of the concept claiming to be from it.

Living wages do not exist in Asia. And people conviently seem to forget that China and Vietnam are still Communist holdouts. I try to avoid buying products from countries that didn't have to face their crimes against Americans. The congs never had to and neither did the nips.

I am trying to spread my views through every medium possible, and unlike most people on the hard left here, my non-globalist views are working.

The Chinese citizen will spend it on rice, and nothing else, because unlike an american autoworker, he makes just enough money after working for 80 hours a week, he only has enough time to eat and sleep. Chinese cannot afford to buy American products because they cannot afford them.

Even if you don't believe 'living wages' exist, what is the alternative? Even a pittance has to be better than nothing at all, even if we in the West think it's inhumane. I'm a lot more concerned about buying 'fair trade' products than domestic American or British ones, because the poor living under governments which often take more than their fair share need that money a lot more than those in free capitalist societies (and I'm saying this as something of a Socialist, myself!)

Also, please tell me I am not the only one appalled by the use of the terms 'congs', 'nips' and 'japs' in this thread - if it were the 'n' word this thread would have been deleted long ago, methinks. I'm no big fan of some of the things the Japanese army did in WWII, either, but I don't care what someone does, namecalling is never appropriate.

Also, please tell me I am not the only one appalled by the use of the terms 'congs', 'nips' and 'japs' in this thread - if it were the 'n' word this thread would have been deleted long ago, methinks. I'm no big fan of some of the things the Japanese army did in WWII, either, but I don't care what someone does, namecalling is never appropriate.


I am no longer allowed to use the words: Jap, Nip, and Cong in a way that may be deemed negative. The mods have informed me of that.